Mafia Time!

[Bard The 5th LW]

Rules!


Each faction has a designated win role. If you do not understand this role, ask me. Town Wins when they are the only faction, and Scum wins when they outnumber or equal town.

Don't intentionally do anything that can jeopardize your faction on the whole! You can jeopardize yourself I guess.

Day will usually last for 48 hours unless for some reason I decide to make it longer. If a majority is reached before this time, then the day will end prematurely. If you can shake the majority off of your tail before I get in then I will spare you.

Have Fun! Its a game after all.

Night Actions are to be submitted at Night! Furthermore, no talking at Night! If you die, then you get a single "Deathpost" but you can't reveal anything important through it!

The Night will last for about 24 hours, but this is merely subject to my whims.

If I decide you're breaking the rules to an extreme, I can intervene with whatever punishment I feel fit.

When voting, bold your text! For example:

Vote: Player

The same goes for unvoting

Unvote: Player

Otherwise I disregard your vote!

If you have any questions regarding the game or your role, feel free to ask in the day or pm me! There are some logical limits on what I'll answer of course.


Players ADVENTURERS


1. Revolving Ocelot - Jake the Dog, Town Roleblocker - Frozen solid!
2. rpgdemon
3. Kerensky287
4. Geminex- Marshmallow Boy #3 - Tragically stabbed to death
5. Mr. Bookworm
6. Moogle0119
7. BahamutFlare - The Ice King, Mafia Don - Lynched!
8. Aldurin
9. Gregness
10. Greed
11. Inbred Chocobo- The Earl of Lemongrab, Mafia Roleblocker - Sent to the gallows!
12. Lawful Neutral
13. Nikose- The Duke of Nuts, Town Scapegoat - His Castle was sacked
14. Ryanderman- Gunter the Penguin, Mafia Godfather - Hung!

On the off chance you need any info, the wiki is here (http://adventuretime.wikia.com/wiki/Adventure_Time_with_Finn_and_Jake_Wiki)!

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Adventure Time, come on tell your friends,
We're going to very distant lands
With Jake the Dog and Fin the Human
The Adventures never end
Adventure Time! ~

"My people, please, be calmed!" shouted Princess Bubblegum from her balcony that overlooked the nervous populace of the Candy Kingdom.

"Yes, the rumors are true.... the Candy Kingdom has been infiltrated by evil enemies, but I am certain we can fend them off through intellectual investigation and DEMOCRACY!"

The candy people broke into a cheer at the encouraging words of their monarch. Surely, if they all put their heads together, they could get rid of these intruders before casualties became excessive.

[Inbred Chocobo]

Vote: DEMOCRACY

I don't like how it was capitalized in the first post. Also, I am republican.

[Bard The 5th LW]

Vote Count

Democracy: 1 (IC)

A vote for a democracy is a vote for anarchy!

[Mr.Bookworm]

Vote: Anarchy

[Revising Ocelot]

Before I go to sleep tonight,

Vote: Smarty

[Mr.Bookworm]

Vote Count

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Revolving Ocelot

http://www.toddcomputer.com/images/american-flag.jpg (1)

Inbred Chocobo

http://images.coolchaser.com/themes/t/1522-www.carbonicboats.com-images-links-anarchy.gif (1)

Mr.Bookworm

[Nikose Tyris]

Putting money down:

Greed, Moogle, and RPGdemon are scum.

Vote: Greed

[Kerensky287]

Vote: Whomever is the Ice King

[BahamutFlare]

Vote: Lawful Neutral

I can't tell if he's good or bad yet. He could go both ways. But he's trustworthy, so he should be a mayor.

Vote him for mayor.

Vote: Monarchy

[Lawful Neutral]

Vote: Monarchy

Also, going to guess that Nikose is Scum cause he's already pointing fingers.

Vote: Nikose

[rpgdemon]

So, let's everyone post, at least? Hardly anyone's said anything.

[greed]

Vote: RPGDemon


For scandalous accusations of sloth and silliness.

[Aldurin]

Vote: Bard

Encouraging shenanigans like this is bad form.

[Gregness]

Day 1...

Day 1 never changes.

[Geminex]

Vote: The Worker's paradise.

[Nikose Tyris]

Day 1...

Day 1 never changes.

The closest thing to actual content so far: My post.

:P Day 1 opens with silliness, you sift through the silly to try and find anything of a red herring from someone who's just 'trying too hard', or you do the 'no-lynch' thing, which apparently some people like doing but I've never seen it as a viable option when you have a 1/5 chance of being right on a blind swing, typically.

[Math based on 5 mafia per 25 man game]

[Revising Ocelot]

Yeah, how big would the Mafia be for us 13? Three or four? Doubt there's a cult for this game size, either.

Keeping vote on Smarty as he's always up to no good. Even when he's not in the game. It's the smart(y) choice.

[Kerensky287]

The closest thing to actual content so far: My post.

:P Day 1 opens with silliness, you sift through the silly to try and find anything of a red herring from someone who's just 'trying too hard', or you do the 'no-lynch' thing, which apparently some people like doing but I've never seen it as a viable option when you have a 1/5 chance of being right on a blind swing, typically.

[Math based on 5 mafia per 25 man game]

Nikose is just trying too hard.

Vote: Nikose

[Moogle0119]

Vote: Kerensky for breaking my heart

[Nikose Tyris]

I'd be willing to bet we have 3 mafia in this game. That's why my guess was 3 people. We probably have a Miller role, too.

If we have a miller, then we have a PO.

With 13 people, the game would move astonishingly fast with an excess of kill roles or take roles; So my wager is there's probably the mafia kill, and... maaaaaaaybe a vig. Highly unlikely for an SK.

There's a decent chance of a doctor/bodyguard.

[Geminex]

Outta curiosity, what makes you think there's a miller? I agree with a lot of the rest, though I don't think town'll have more than 2 of Doctor, PO and vig, but I thought millers were fairly rare?

[Nikose Tyris]

Oh, I'm the miller. That's why I think there's a miller. I probably should have said that.

[BahamutFlare]

Well Lawful Neutral and Kerensky decided Nikose is trying too hard. What I don't get is how from 1 or 2 posts this is a scum tell. It kinda seems like actual information so far.

FoS: Law and Kerensky

[Geminex]

I probably should have said that.

That sure woulda been good!

Still, now the PO doesn't have to waste investigations on you.

Now we just need to ask ourselves if you're actually miller, or scum.

Would you have claimed if I hadn't asked you why you thought there was a miller?

[Nikose Tyris]

Probably not? I'm like, half-focused on this game. I have 3 exams in the next 3 days, so I'm more studying and refreshing the browser once in a while to see what's been posted.

Also I have a suicide bomb power to redirect a lynch onto myself if I really disagree with what the town's doing, which is kind of neat, but probably not something I'll be using.

[rpgdemon]

Well Lawful Neutral and Kerensky decided Nikose is trying too hard. What I don't get is how from 1 or 2 posts this is a scum tell. It kinda seems like actual information so far.

FoS: Law and Kerensky

Yeah, I'm suspicious most of anyone who wants to continue stupid shenanigans, and instavotes anyone who starts to play the game.

Greed's on top of that list, for me.

[Kerensky287]

Well Lawful Neutral and Kerensky decided Nikose is trying too hard. What I don't get is how from 1 or 2 posts this is a scum tell. It kinda seems like actual information so far.

FoS: Law and Kerensky

Did you read the bit I quoted?

I literally used his exact wording. It was a pretty obvious joke, I thought.

[Bard The 5th LW]

Vote Count

RPGdemon: 1 (Greed)
Nikose: 2 (Kerensky, Lawful neutral)
Kerensky: 1 (Moogle)
Greed: 1 (Nikose)
Lawful neutral: 1 (Bahamut Flare)

With 13 players it takes 7 to lynch.

[Nikose Tyris]

You have apparently missed my vote, Bard. I voted for Greed.

[Bard The 5th LW]

Vote appended!

[Kerensky287]

Law voted for Nik, too.

Not that I care because I'll probably change my vote anyway, but it's the principle.

[Inbred Chocobo]

Vote: Nikose

I'm sorry, but roleclaiming miller right off the bat? That, I don't know, that just screams scum to me. Without ever able to tell if he is truly scum or not via investigation, he has made a defense against the PO, town's best weapon, along with trying to get everyone to accept he is town. That just seems like either a bad move or a smart defense, so voting to call him on it.

[Nikose Tyris]

sweet, Kerensky, Lawful Neutral, and Inbred Chocobo are the mafiates. Shortest game ever.

Thanks for playing everyone!

[Nikose Tyris]

Unvote: Greed

Vote: Inbred Chocobo

[Geminex]

IC, you want to claim miller right off the bat when you're town. Because otherwise, you run the risk of the PO wasting an investigation on you. Claiming miller on D1 is literally the best way to play the role, because, if you're gonna turn up scum anyway, you might as well warn people. And, given that, from what I've heard, you're pretty experienced, I woulda thought you knew that.

Mind you, I'm not saying Nikose is town. He started the game off by throwing around 3 random accusations, and that really didn't seem in the spirit of Jest. That alone seemed like something of a scummy thing to do, since by hurling around suspicion, you're kinda liable to cause a good amount of chaos. Nik did a similar thing in MLP mafia, so I'm not sure if unbased D1 predictions are just his thing, or if he's just trying to see if it'll work this time. Lawful voted for him based on those D1 predictions, and, while I would've waited for more evidence to pop up, I certainly think that vote was justified. I don't think that counts as evidence to call lawful scum.

As for Kerensky... what'd he do? All I see is a joke. Which he's admittedly stretching. But I wouldn't declare him mafia for it. Just as I wouldn't declare lawful to be mafia for voting for Nikose a few posts in. And the fact that Nikose is making those declarations seems... unusual. Sure, IC's attack on him seems unjustified and suspicious. But Nikose hasn't quite been an angel of innocence himself.

He never outed himself as Miller until I challenged him on it, which is strange. He clearly alluded to the existence of a Miller, trying to hint to town that there probably was one. Which is cool, but it helps scum. Because "There's probably a miller" only serves to weaken the PO, whose investigations suddenly have a chance of failure. If you want to help town, you want to definitely out yourself as the miller, not vaguely hint at the existence of one. So, if he was a town-aligned miller, why not just come out and say it?

Plus, there's the fact that he accused RPG, greed and moogle with absolutely no basis, and the fact that he's seemed all too eager to declare Lawful and Kerensky to be scum.

I've got to admit, I'm kinda split on whom to vote for. I'd like to hear from both, Nikose and IC.

[Nikose Tyris]

I generally open games I play in with random accusations; The only reason I'm even lumping in Kerensky and Lawful is that I now have a trail of 3 voters on me, which is our theoretical Mafia number.

Kerensky came in with a joke, called it a joke, and then hung on with it despite his attempts to play it off with the whole "Eh, I'll change it later".

Essentially it seems to me like an easy lead-on, and all three may not be mafia; however I tend to have a good track record of point-and-be-right, too. [sidenote: Fenris after MLP mafia: "What the fuck Nikose get out of my inbox"]

As for not immediately confessing being a miller? Literally didn't occur to me. I was just 'talking out loud' in my post, trying to reason out who was who. Didn't actually think to include "Right, I said there is a miller because I'M the miller".

Anyway the people I've pointed fingers at are probably all power roles this game and I cannot in any reasonable way justify why I'm saying that.

But IC is definitely mafia in my eyes. Mostly because he's IC.

[Inbred Chocobo]

It was Nikose's approach to declaring himself miller that throws me off. He really didn't state intentions or anything, or justify it. I mean it would be one thing if he made a post going. "Okay guys, Roleclaim: Miller. Here is why I am doing it" but instead we got "So yada yada yada oh btw I am miller LOL." when someone questioned him on it.

The fact that it was prodded out of him rather than him coming straight out with it first is what bugs me. Him suggesting first that their is a miller, someone then prodding him, hey, why are you so sure, and then him going because I is one, is well, just a weird way to do it. It feels like a gambling tactic with its execution rather than him truly being mafia.

Then again, this is what I am reading in the miller claiming, I'm not sure if its 100%. Geminex brings up a good point, that is the best way to play as if you are miller, so I may need to brew on it more.

[Nikose Tyris]

Please note that again, while 'brewing' over something he is indecisive about, he does not relinquish his vote on me; nor has Kerensky or Lawful at this point, which, when things eventually flip into action, will end up casting some pretty pale light on all 3 of them.

Also, I have absolutely no qualms with my eventual demise; as the only person here who's come out to say "I'm town but look scummy", things are going to happen one of three ways:

1) I die today.
2) I die tonight by a vig or a mafiate looking to kill a boisterous, active town that people seem to be listening to.
3) I day tomorrow because mafia didn't kill me in the night.

My fate is pretty much set in stone.

[BahamutFlare]

IC is mafia because he is IC. What? Only thing I disagree about, but I'm guessing that it's a joke.

I'd like to hear from Law before making any decision.

Unvote: Lawful Neutral

Since it was a joke vote originally.

[Gregness]

If we don't lynch you today, why would we do it tomorrow? I mean, we might get around to it eventually, but if we don't have enough evidence on D1 we're not gonna have enough with just one night intervening.

[Nikose Tyris]

You'll see, Greg. Some things are just set in stone to happen.

[rpgdemon]

Greed still hasn't responded to my suspicions about him at all:

Greed. I am suspicious of you, because I attempted to steer us into an actual town dialog, and you respond with a "joke" of, "VOTING RPG BECAUSE HE IS HATIN' ON SILLINESS." Then you vanish, presumably to divert attention from yourself, because everyone else ignored my calling you out earlier. Now that real town dialog has started, you haven't undone your "silly" vote, and you haven't responded to allegations against you.

vote: Greed

[Kerensky287]

Kerensky came in with a joke, called it a joke, and then hung on with it despite his attempts to play it off with the whole "Eh, I'll change it later".

Unvote: Nikose

I probably would've done that earlier, but I've been at work, and I hadn't found a good chance to sneak away to play mafia on my cell like I usually do.

Still, IC has a few points that I agree with. I'm not going to make any snap decisions yet, but in addition to the stuff he's said:

1) I can't really think of an Adventure Time character who would be a miller except maaaaybe Marceline. And frankly, she deserves a power that isn't dubious. This is kind of shitty reasoning I know, which is why I don't feel I have enough evidence yet for a serious vote.

2) I've learned to basically assume you're lying at all times, at least when mafia is involved, and "miller" is a very convenient way to explain it if a PO comes and scans you as mafia.

Basically, the miller claim neither confirms nor denies that he is mafia. I'm willing to give him temporary benefit of the doubt, but...

FoS: Nikose

As for not immediately confessing being a miller? Literally didn't occur to me. I was just 'talking out loud' in my post, trying to reason out who was who. Didn't actually think to include "Right, I said there is a miller because I'M the miller".

Now THIS is something I find sketchy.

For one thing, if he was planning to roleclaim (which I hear is a great thing to do when you're miller...?) then why in the hell would he forget to roleclaim? And saying "HEY IF YOU SCAN ME I'LL LOOK LIKE MAFIA" seems like a horrifically stupid move.

I'm relatively new to the game, and I've never played as Mafia in a game with a miller. Do mafiates get a notification that a miller exists, so they can play off his existence? Because that does seem like a logical slip for him to make.

The way I see it, either:
-Nikose knows there's a miller in the game because he is one.
-Nikose knows there's a miller in the game because he was told in his role PM (?)
-Nikose is a mafiate/the mafia don and is saying he's the miller as an ill-conceived attempt at safety.

I'm not pointing any fingers yet... except for FINGERS OF SUSPICION!

[Nikose Tyris]

I'm the duke of nuts, if that helps.

[Kerensky287]

Also I have a suicide bomb power to redirect a lynch onto myself if I really disagree with what the town's doing, which is kind of neat, but probably not something I'll be using.

That's a neat idea but a Suicide Mayor strikes me as rather far-fetched.

Mostly because there's no reason to ever use it. If you ignore it, you lose. If you use it, you lose.

To be honest it actually sounds like exactly the kind of role Nikose would create for one of his own games...

[Revising Ocelot]

Greed still hasn't responded to my suspicions about him at all:

Greed. I am suspicious of you, because I attempted to steer us into an actual town dialog, and you respond with a "joke" of, "VOTING RPG BECAUSE HE IS HATIN' ON SILLINESS." Then you vanish, presumably to divert attention from yourself, because everyone else ignored my calling you out earlier. Now that real town dialog has started, you haven't undone your "silly" vote, and you haven't responded to allegations against you.

vote: Greed

Give him a decent amount of time to respond. Time-zone wackiness and all.

Anyway, I've been told in the last Mafia I played that my (false!) Miller claim should have been ASAP to divert suspicion, and now IC says that's bad? Something's BS here.
I gotta agree with Geminex here. Along with the chance that Nikose is being a trolling troll who trolls, as his behavior is alluding to slightly right now. Suicide miller? The Duke of Nuts fits a Miller role, but I'm not getting where the lynch redirect stems from. Plus Millers don't normally have extra powers, AFAIK.

[Nikose Tyris]

Ya know I'm really, really leaning towards Kerensky being the most likely mafiate candidate here. So much so that I think

UNVOTE: INBRED CHOCOBO

VOTE: KERENSKY287

Is really the only reasonable path here.


Also- I don't read Adventure Time. Can someone point me at anything to explain this Duke of Nuts guy? This is a webcomic, right?

[Kerensky287]

Ya know I'm really, really leaning towards Kerensky being the most likely mafiate candidate here. So much so that I think

UNVOTE: INBRED CHOCOBO

VOTE: KERENSKY287

Is really the only reasonable path here.


Also- I don't read Adventure Time. Can someone point me at anything to explain this Duke of Nuts guy? This is a webcomic, right?

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=adventure+time+duke+of+nuts

Vote whatever you want. I've died Day 1 or Night 1 every mafia I've played so far so I'm sort of used to it.

Obviously it's because I'm SOOO AWESOME AT IT that it scares people.

[Kerensky287]

"OH FINN MY FLAWLESS, FLAWLESS CHAMPION! BRING THE DUKE OF NUTS TO JUSTICE! THE JUSTICE.... OF A COOOOOLD DUNGEON! AAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!"

Jake says the Duke of Nuts is bad guys. So "JUST THIS ONCE, WE'LL BE VIGILANTES!"

Vote: Nikose

[Kerensky287]

(Unvote: Nikose)

[Kerensky287]

Yeah I hadn't actually seen this episode, I actually think Nikose's claim might be legit.

My FoS remains because it's Nikose, and he is a lying liar of lies, but the Duke of Nuts character is also all altruistic and shit so I can see him being a self-sacrificing mayor too.

[Nikose Tyris]

...okay one I wasn't aware this was a tv show, I thought it was some webcomic

two, da fuq

[Bard The 5th LW]

Ryanderman has been admitted into the game!

[Inbred Chocobo]

Unvote: Nikose

Okay, after reading the character description of being duke of nuts and such, I'm going to believe Nikose, though seriously man, the hell kind of way to roleclaim and state what you are is that? Ugh, so confusing.

Though I am going to need a bit to think on who to go after now. You people make my head hurt.

[Lawful Neutral]

Unvote: Nikose

Perhaps Geminex is right, perhaps I am jumping to conclusions.
Nevertheless, I'd like to see how things play out for a while before I decide this time.

[Bard The 5th LW]

In case anyone needs information on anything, I've added a link to the wiki on the first page.

[Kerensky287]

guys stop following my lead

I kinda wanna see day 2 this game

quit acting like I'm important

[Geminex]

Man, you guys have been postin'.

Nikose has managed to persuade me as well. Like, he hasn't really offered that much justification for the points I brought up, other than "that's how I play", but, for now, that's enough. The roleclaim makes total sense, and it doesn't really seem like something shaken out of a hat, so to speak. There could be a safelist, but we can consider that later.

The apparent extra power, as well as the belated roleclaim, still ring a biiiit fishy, but I can be wrong about that. And I'm gonna put down the "Gonna be dead by night 2" as pessimism, or perhaps realism. : p

Ima FOS: IC, because that attack on Nikose did ring some alarm bells, but he's been doing allright otherwise, and I can accept that it was a mistake.

I'd like to see some more activity from Greed as well. I don't agree with RPG that his vote was definitely fishy (pretty sure he was still joking and irreverent), but, while the time difference is gonna delay posting, he should be popping up soon.

I'd also like to hear from Earl.

Still dunno about Kerensky. His posts are logical, and I can totally understand his continued suspicion of Nikose McSuspecton, but if it goes on for much longer without a valid reason, it'll be weird.

Anyway, that's all from me. Don't lynch anyone at night.

[Aldurin]

Eh, trying to think this over and I only can agree with a few things. Nik's miller claim is odd since he didn't do it immediately, but should he turn out to actually be a miller then we should turn our attention on those really going after him, notably IC and Kerensky.

That's all I have.

[Kerensky287]

Still dunno about Kerensky. His posts are logical, and I can totally understand his continued suspicion of Nikose McSuspecton, but if it goes on for much longer without a valid reason, it'll be weird.

Nik's miller claim is odd since he didn't do it immediately, but should he turn out to actually be a miller then we should turn our attention on those really going after him, notably IC and Kerensky.

http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/bb22/Kerensky287/reaction%20shots/day9-what_o_GIFSoupcom.gif

Yeah I hadn't actually seen this episode, I actually think Nikose's claim might be legit.

[Gregness]

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=adventure+time+duke+of+nuts

Vote whatever you want. I've died Day 1 or Night 1 every mafia I've played so far so I'm sort of used to it.

Obviously it's because I'm SOOO AWESOME AT IT that it scares people.

You did kind of bring it on yourself last game.

[Kerensky287]

You did kind of bring it on yourself last game.

Which I still maintain is entirely Nikose's fault, as a guy with no ability to clearly explain victory objectives whatsoever.

(gruuuuuuuudge)

[Nikose Tyris]

UNVOTE: INBRED CHOCOBO

VOTE: KERENSKY287

GRUDGE MATCH

[Kerensky287]

http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/bb22/Kerensky287/reaction%20shots/ohgodwhy.jpg

http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/bb22/Kerensky287/reaction%20shots/raeg.jpg

UNVOTE: WHOEVER

VOTE: NIKOSE

[BahamutFlare]

Umm. At the moment, Kerensky seems the weirdest. And he's at the top of my list.

Vote: Kerensky

[Kerensky287]

Fuck you, I'm ALWAYS weird whether I'm mafia or not!

[greed]

Greed still hasn't responded to my suspicions about him at all:

Greed. I am suspicious of you, because I attempted to steer us into an actual town dialog, and you respond with a "joke" of, "VOTING RPG BECAUSE HE IS HATIN' ON SILLINESS." Then you vanish, presumably to divert attention from yourself, because everyone else ignored my calling you out earlier. Now that real town dialog has started, you haven't undone your "silly" vote, and you haven't responded to allegations against you.

vote: Greed


I'm on the other side of the fucking planet, last time I checked this thread I was the latest post and I always miss the joke posting period so I wanted to get one in for once.

Unvote: rpgdemon

Happy?

For future reference I'm usually online randomly between midday and midnight my time (usually in the afternoon or after dinner for me) which is midnight and midday east coast US time and no idea what it is for Europe.

Will read the thread a bit more before doing a vote. Nikose's roleclaim seems okay so far, claiming miller day one is literally the best way to use that role for town. If we knock out the likely two-three mafiates (assuming the mafia is 3 maybe 4 people) and can't find the last for a while we can test it then I guess.

[Ryanderman]

Hello everyone!

Not much has caught my eye so far. Nikose is drawing all kinds of attention, but that's normal. And he is often unnervingly accurate, even to members of his own team, when he makes role predictions. So, that might be something to look at later, if we confirm he's the miller.

rpgdemon's calling out the silly day 1 voters struck me as unnecessary. But someone calls them out at some point almost every game, so I can't bank on that thread leading anywhere.

So yeah, I got nothing. But I am here. yay.

[Nikose Tyris]

Too much quiet time for a day 1 game.

I'd like to encourage the lynching of Inbred for his bad logic, or the lynching of Kerensky because, let's face it, it's Kerensky and fuck him.

[Bard The 5th LW]

You people vote and unvote like crazy lets hope I got the count right.

Vote Count

Nikose: 1 (Kerensky)
Kerensky: 3 (Nikose, Moogle, Bahamut Flare)
Greed: 1 (RPGdemon)

It takes 7 to lynch. About four hours until the end of day 1. itll end tomorrow

[Geminex]

Shit, 4 hours? Screw you and your 48-hour days, bard.

Okay, let's get this on.

I've gone through the thread and done a search on everyone, to get a general picture of people's activity.

Mr.Bookworm and Moogle both jumped out as having made absolutely no contribution to any sort of discussion. Bookie made two joke posts, moogle made one, and then they were never heard from again.

A couple of people made minimal contributions, but it's been a fairly small game so far, so I can understand that. Not having said anything, though, is weird.

A bunch more people contributed a lot. Some of these contributions were shakily justified (such as IC's suggestion that we lynch nikose, or nik's initial randomvote), but I don't think any of the high-activity players have displayed overwhelming suspicious activity.

And on the balance? I think I'd prefer to lynch one of the inactives on day 1.

I'm aware that silent people just might be power roles, and that, by raising this point, I'm risking that power roles end up dying. But fact is, I'd rather have talkative players than silent players. Because, whatever happens, we can keep an eye on the talkative ones, and we can analyze their behavior. We can find stuff out. We'll still gain information from the daily discussion and the lynch. And honestly, when I get a power role, I try to at least maintain a pretense of activity. I don't just shut down. And given that they signed up for this game, their shutting down seems very weird.

Honestly, my suspicion is this. The active players are (mostly) clean, and the silent ones decided to lean back and let us tear each other apart. I can't base that on anything, it's a hunch, but it'd explain the general behavior so far, and it ties into my preference of lynching the inactives.

We should definitely keep an eye on... let's see, kerensky, IC, greed, nik, and myself. But for our lynch, let's go after either Moogle or Bookie.

Vote: Moogle.

Edit:
Also, can we extend the days? Please?

[Bard The 5th LW]

Fine, but you guys best pick up the pace in the future! This day will end at a time of my choosing tomorrow. I'll give you a warning before it happens.

[BahamutFlare]

I'm curious as to everyone's opinions.

Kerensky I felt his jokes were just really odd and now a grudge match. Voting for Nikose solely because of a grudge match seems a bit scummy and seems like just an excuse.

Nikose is acting weird too, but I found his posts to be somewhat helpful too.

Overall, I think Kerensky is going a bit too far with everything more so than Nikose and everybody else.

[Kerensky287]

Too much quiet time for a day 1 game.

I'd like to encourage the lynching of Inbred for his bad logic, or the lynching of Kerensky because, let's face it, it's Kerensky and fuck him.

Okay, since the day's apparently over in 4 hours and I have the most votes, it's roleclaim time.

Roleclaim: Finn the Human, Vigilante, Town-aligned.

Right now I'm leaning heavily toward BahamutFlare because of that sharp knee-jerk response to two early joke posts.

I'm also concerned about IC, for that severe push toward Nikose; admittedly I backed that at the beginning, but there just isn't enough evidence to justify that kind of finger-pointing. My own finger-pointing stemmed from the fact that 1) I tend to be rather guillible and accepting, even in mafia games, and I was trying to artificially counteract that, and 2) I didn't understand why someone would claim miller at that specific timeframe - either immediately or much later made sense to me, but not right there.

Still, Nik said that he didn't know about Adventure Time, and the Duke of Nuts is honestly the perfect miller - a fact that I didn't even know until I saw that specific episode. Either he's lying about being unfamiliar with the show (possible/probable!) or he's 100% honest.

Going after Moogle for that jokevote is ill-advised, I think. He has displayed a tendency to just not be around that often for Mafia (which has caused me heartbreak in the past :C ) and while I sincerely hope he'll show before time's up to unvote me, I don't think that sort of thing is a Mafia signal.

[Kerensky287]

Also, Unvote: Nikose in hopes that we can temporarily end this grudge match and reduce my chances of an early lynch. A grudge truce, if you will.

[Bard The 5th LW]

Okay, since the day's apparently over in 4 hours and I have the most votes, it's roleclaim time.

Fine, but you guys best pick up the pace in the future! This day will end at a time of my choosing tomorrow. I'll give you a warning before it happens.

.

[Kerensky287]

Thanks. You ninja'd me with that (it was a long post!) but yes, indeed, thanks.

Roleclaim stands. STILL probably not gonna make it to Day 2 because of the evil scary mafia, but hopefully I can get at least one nightkill off. My observations are above, but I'm open to recommendations, assuming I survive.

BahamutFlare appears to have failed to notice that Nikose initiated the grudge match first...?

[BahamutFlare]

Gem and Bard ninja'd me.

I agree with most of what Gem said, but if you have suspicions on people that are active, why go after an inactive?

[Geminex]

Because it's day 1, and whatever suspicions we have, they're based on 1 days' worth of discussion. If we wait, we'll get more evidence. Whereas mutes are always mutes. Plus, mutes don't contribute. Active players do.

[Geminex]

Even if those active players are scum and trying to manipulate town, they're still interacting and sharing info. Leaving evidence, kinda.

That's how I see it, anyway. But that's based on 3 games' worth of experience, so I might be wrong.

[BahamutFlare]

Which I still maintain is entirely Nikose's fault, as a guy with no ability to clearly explain victory objectives whatsoever.

(gruuuuuuuudge)

I read this as starting a grudge mid-game. Not the actual vote. Nikose just accepted your grudge. And then it led to massive wtf.

Everyone keeps ninja'ing me.

Unvote: Kerensky

I don't think now is a good time to risk losing the Vig. Sorry Kerensky, I just seen the humor as carrying on a bit too far. And the first one I failed to realize as a joke.

[Revising Ocelot]

Whoa, day's almost done already.
I cannot believe that Nikose thought that Adventure Time was a webcomic. I've never seen an episode and I've had minimal exposure to it - I don't think the program's even shown in the UK, but I still knew it was a show simply because the quality of the mountains of GIFs made from it are far higher than, say, the average Conga Hussie.

But Inbred Chocobo suddenly getting antsy about an early Nikose Miller claim for the wrong reasons? And then they vote each other, followed by conveniently unvoting each other to gang up on Kerensky. The whole 'early vote each other' is a classic Scum tactic, if I recall. I'm not buying it.

Unvote: Smarty

Vote: Inbred Chocobo

Simply because I suspect IC more than Nikose right now.

[Inbred Chocobo]

Look, Nikose's claim to be miller was done in an odd and bizarre fashion. Not calling him on it and taking the claim at face value is something I just couldn't do. I got what I wanted, more information about his role, and that satisfied me. (The thing saying what character he was was actually really useful). I think we have said enough about that situation so I'm dropping it now.

Next up is Kerensky's roleclaim. Yeah... it actually feels like he isn't bluffing for any reason, nor can I think of any reason why he would claim a vig role if he wasn't that. So I'm entitled to believe him on that one. That means however the majority vote sits on our Vig, which may not actually be a good thing. Other people that have votes on them are Greed, Moogle, and Myself.

Greed, well I can't get a read on him really. Hasn't posted a whole lot, but I'm sure he will have something to say when his time to check on the computer will arrive. So not really inclined to say anything about him till I see what he has to say about the situation.

Moogle is pretty much always afk for these games. That isn't a good thing, but that doesn't mean he is scum.

Then me. Uh, self analysis says that I called out what should've been an obvious claim due to how the claim was done. Otherwise actions really don't read that much. Course, self analysis there so whatever.

In the interest of keeping Kerensky alive so he can try to get a night or two with killing as the vig (maybe the doctor will protect him and he won't kill them) and I like being in the game

Vote: Moogle

Maybe more evidence will come up on someone else, as I really am not comfortable going with a lynch on him. (In fact, FoS: Geminex, as going after inactives is normally a bad thing) However, I really don't have anything else.

[Nikose Tyris]

...Gem. I'm... suspicious of your desire to not vote for a very suspicious IC [Or Kerensky].

I have no reason to switch my vote to Moogle, and your desire to do so in the face of IC's obvious bad call against me [when declaration of Miller is literally a "Do it day 1" thing]...

...Well, it reflects badly on you.

My leanings are that Kerensky and IC are Scum. One of those two should get lynched.

[Kerensky287]

I read this as starting a grudge mid-game. Not the actual vote. Nikose just accepted your grudge. And then it led to massive wtf.

Everyone keeps ninja'ing me.

Unvote: Kerensky

I don't think now is a good time to risk losing the Vig. Sorry Kerensky, I just seen the humor as carrying on a bit too far. And the first one I failed to realize as a joke.

Understood! I admit that I definitely did take the whole grudge thing a little too far.

And to reiterate, I AM always a little weird in Mafia games. I probably post way too much, and am way too open about tactics and suspicions. But I figure what's the point of playing Mafia if you aren't actually playing?

Whoa, day's almost done already.
I cannot believe that Nikose thought that Adventure Time was a webcomic. I've never seen an episode and I've had minimal exposure to it - I don't think the program's even shown in the UK, but I still knew it was a show simply because the quality of the mountains of GIFs made from it are far higher than, say, the average Conga Hussie.

It's possible that you're just smarter than Nikose.

*trollface.jpg*

But Inbred Chocobo suddenly getting antsy about an early Nikose Miller claim for the wrong reasons? And then they vote each other, followed by conveniently unvoting each other to gang up on Kerensky. The whole 'early vote each other' is a classic Scum tactic, if I recall. I'm not buying it.

Unvote: Smarty

Vote: Inbred Chocobo

Simply because I suspect IC more than Nikose right now.

Very valid points. The whole Nikose/Miller thing has sort of dominated D1, and almost everyone has reacted to it in some way, but IC's reaction WAS sort of... intense.

[Aldurin]

Vote: Inbred Chocobo

Your whole behavior for this day is just giving me scum tells. I apologize in advance if you're town.

[Gregness]

Really, the proper way to handle someone roleclaiming Vig is to unvote them immediately and let them be. If he's scum and there's another vig, he'll just get capped tonight. If he's scum and there's no vig, we'll know by the number of kills tonight. If he's non-vig town, then the only reason I can think of that he'd do this is to get us off him or to try and bait a mafia kill.

[Nikose Tyris]

UNVOTE: KERENSKY
VOTE: INBRED CHOCOBO

FOS: Geminex

I like Greg's thinking.

[Geminex]

Well, pretty much the entirety of the case against IC consists of the fact that he called you scum for claiming miller. And yeah, jumping on a roleclaim and trying to discredit it is something scum would do. But it's just as possible that that was a genuine mistake. For now, I am fairly willing to buy that. Just as I was pretty willing to buy your response to my suspicions (you later roleclaimed convincingly, but up till then, I was willing to give you the benefit of the doubt). Sure, IC might be scum. But he might be town. By waiting, we'll gain more information.

That was really my logic. If there was a really strong case against him, I'd probably be voting as well. I would've been perfectly willing to vote for you in MLP mafia, for example. But... gah! I'm just not sufficiently convinced.

My logic in voting for moogle is really that not posting is suspicious, and I'd rather lynch someone who we're not gonna learn anything about than someone who's talking to us.

Hell, I thought lynching inactive players was good?

Look, lemme go over IC's posts again. Maybe you saw something that I didn't, I dunno. Or... hell, convince me.

[Nikose Tyris]

Going after any lead on day 1, then observing night 1's actions, will point out the mafia directly. We'll be able to go through and highlight based on actions having a planned motif.

[Inbred Chocobo]

I really didn't want to do this.

Roleclaim: Princess Bubblegum Half Human Half Gum, Doctor, Town-aligned

Yeah, its really bad when the Doctor roleclaims, I know, and that means I probably won't even survive the night, but whatever you guys are going to lynch me so I might as well claim so we actually get a chance to go after town in lynching, and I get at least one night to protect someone.

Seriously guys, I really did not like the way Nikose claimed, and it really bothered me and I called him out on it. However you guys seem intent on it, so here we are.

Also, GMs, stop giving me roles where I am the chick. Its happened every themed mafia game, and its getting old.

[Geminex]

Man what.

Either one of you is lying, or both of you are lying, or scum is about to have a fuckin' field day.

I mean wow.

[Aldurin]

Unvote: Inbred Chocobo

Let's slow down a minute and MAKE ABSOLUTELY SURE we're not lynching the actual doctor D1.

[Nikose Tyris]

Kerensky claimed Vig, Lead Character
+No Counter Claim
+Role fits from single episode Kerensky linked me to on MSN [thanks for that]
-Discrepancy: Would have expected a mason partner with the dog.

Inbred claimed Doctor, Princess Bubblegum
+No Counter Claim
-Role does not fit the character
-IC is ugly

I claimed Miller.
+No Counter Claim
+Character Role fits character, according to other people
-Very Mafia-like action, alibi against Investigator

I'm not unvoting Inbred Chocobo yet.

[Gregness]

...

Inbred claimed Doctor, Princess Bubblegum
+No Counter Claim
-Role does not fit the character
-IC is ugly

...


-IC is ugly

Your claim:
+No Counter Claim
+Character Role fits character, according to other people
-Very Mafia-like action, alibi against Investigator
-MAKING PERSONAL ATTACKS WHICH IS TOTES SCUMMY.

[Gregness]

Like, I think it should be clear to all involved that the joke voting period is over.

[Kerensky287]

Kerensky claimed Vig, Lead Character
+No Counter Claim
+Role fits from single episode Kerensky linked me to on MSN [thanks for that]
-Discrepancy: Would have expected a mason partner with the dog.

Inbred claimed Doctor, Princess Bubblegum
+No Counter Claim
-Role does not fit the character
-IC is ugly

I claimed Miller.
+No Counter Claim
+Character Role fits character, according to other people
-Very Mafia-like action, alibi against Investigator

I'm not unvoting Inbred Chocobo yet.

I suspect that Jake the Dog is the PO (process of elimination - also, remember Jake constantly going "Naw, man! The Duke of Nuts is totally one of the baddies"?) and if the PO and Vig were masoned that would make for a rather one-sided game.

I have to ask, though, for the experienced players: why would the Mafia ever want to get rid of a miller? It seems to me that a diversionary player would be to their benefit. Unless it's some kind of yomi tactic (that's what they expect, so I'll do the opposite, etc) I can't see these events making sense unless either:

-Neither Nik nor Inbred are mafia.
-Both Nik and Inbred are mafia.
-Nik is mafia, Inbred isn't.

So while I do find Inbred's actions suspicious, I'm not throwing down a vote for him yet.

I'd also like to add that Princess Bubblegum is one of the show's main characters, so she kind of HAS to have a power role, even if Doctor doesn't seem to fit. What else is there? Mayor? Some kind of mason?

...I would, finally, like to note that:

Anyway the people I've pointed fingers at {that is, Lawful, Inbred, and Kerensky} are probably all power roles this game and I cannot in any reasonable way justify why I'm saying that.

This is looking, uh, oddly accurate. Wild guess: Lawful is Jake, the PO.

No, I'm not masoned with anybody. No, I'm not defending anybody.

I'm just calling it now so if it turns out to be true I can laugh and laugh.

[Kerensky287]

Wild mass guess continues: Maybe he got a free Night 0 investigate on the Duke of Nuts, which is why he made that initial Nikose vote!

[Lawful Neutral]

Vote: Inbred Chocobo
I don't believe that she would be the doctor.
I mean, there's a character called Dr. Princess, so why wouldn't she be the Doctor?
On top of that, the thing about the gender at the end seems sort of like you're trying to pass off everything above it as true.

I apologize for not being around more often for discussing, your time schedules seem to be very different from mine.

[Bard The 5th LW]

Forgot to mention this earlier, but it takes 8 to lynch with Ryanderman in the fray.

[Inbred Chocobo]

Lawful Neutral, You have editted your posts, changing the entire contents.

First was, just trust me on this.

Second was, funny you are claiming the same role that has my name, and then isn't even it.

Finally, we have this.

First off, Princess Bubblegum is seen in the show doing science stuff , and hell even the wiki agrees with me that she is protective of her subjects. So she fits the role just fine thank you very much.

Second, editting posts is a real bad idea, since its obvious you are trying to hide something from town. It sounds like to me you are just trying to cast false evidence on my claim, and you can't make up your mind on what argument. If you did have the role, just a claim and be done. This editting stuff is scum material.

Vote: Lawful Neutral

[Lawful Neutral]

http://adventuretime.wikia.com/wiki/Dr._Princess

Maybe you should do some research first?

I see no reason why Princess Bubblegum should be doctor when Dr. Princess is the medical officer of Ooo.

Maybe that's just me.

[Aldurin]

Lawful Neutral, You have editted your posts, changing the entire contents.

I can confirm this too. If it was really a "I wanted to word it differently" you would have doubleposted and said "disregard that please". But you said you were the character IC claimed, but a different role. Here's my thing. I think Lawful is lying, and if he's not then at least we're not lynching the doctor.

Vote: Lawful Neutral

[Kerensky287]

Current vote tally, by the way:

Me 1 (voted by Moogle)
Greed 1 (voted by rpgdemon)
Moogle 2 (voted by Geminex, Inbred)
Inbred 3 (voted by Ocelot, Lawful, Nikose)

Inbred's vote for Lawful doesn't count because he has yet to unvote.

I agree with the statement that editing posts is a bad idea - against the rules in most games, actually - but I don't think it's to hide from the town, I think it's to hide from scum. I saw the initial version of the post too, and he was counter-claiming Bubblegum, an obvious Town role. The only reason I can think of to edit after that is the realization that roleclaiming such an important character makes him Mafia bait. He said he wasn't the Doctor, though.

Vote: Inbred

And on that note:

FoS: Geminex

I was planning to make an earlier mention of the fact that he has made a lot of posts with very little substance, weakly defending vote train victims while simultaneously mentioning how "suspicious" they were acting. The attempt to verify Nikose as a miller falls under my earlier query about mafia wanting millers alive, and the attempt to lynch inactives seems like a very weak justification considering how many suspicious characters have been shooting their mouths.

The last nail in the coffin for me was the fact that the only people who voted for Moogle have been him and Inbred, the latter of whom I suspect to be mafia.

[Inbred Chocobo]

If you are going to pull that out, at least show the doctor shown treating things.

http://adventuretime.wikia.com/wiki/Dr_Ice_Cream

However, Princess Bubblegum is a main character, obviously a power role. The best one that she fits in is Doctor.

Finn matches Vig
I can see Jake as PO
Duke of Nuts definitely matches miller
So then Princess bubblegum matches Doctor.

[Kerensky287]

Edited vote tally for ninjas (and my own post, herp derp):

Me 1 (by moogle)
Greed 1 (by rpgdemon)
Moogle 2 (by geminex and inbred)
Inbred 4 (by ocelot, lawful, nikose, and me)
Lawful 1 (by aldurin)

[Inbred Chocobo]

Also, yeah forgot the unvote

Unvote: Moogle
Vote: Lawful Neutral

[Lawful Neutral]

Okay, then if Princess Bubblegum is doctor. Then who would be the mayor?

[Lawful Neutral]

She seems most cut out for it, being the leader of Ooo and all.

[Aldurin]

Okay, then if Princess Bubblegum is doctor. Then who would be the mayor?

I don't think there'd be a mayor role in this small of a game.

[Inbred Chocobo]

While looking over characters, I realised I didn't account for an important one.

Marceline.

Thing is, in the show, she is vampire like. (Sucks the color red, yeah long story) Suddenly she feels like a better fit for vigilante than Jake does. Then that would make Jake the Doctor, which isn't possible. So hell if roles really match their characters in game for as well as I know.

But then that line of thinking makes the reason why I was believing Nikose invalid, however the character matches so its gotta match. Grrr, stupid thought processes.

For Mayor, hell there are half a dozen princesses, and there are her creations that all are out there as possible choices, so trying to just pick one is like picking a needle out of a haystack.

[Kerensky287]

Jake isn't the vigilante, Finn is. And again, I suspect Jake to be the PO. Considering his shapeshifting powers, he might be an Inventor or something, too... I dunno.

And... bleh, I'm sick of being so indecisive, but Inbred has acquitted himself pretty well.

Unvote: Inbred

FoS: Lawful

[Ryanderman]

Vote: Moogle




Vote: Moogle


FOS: Geminex
FOS: Inbred Chocobo

Cause what the heck? It's day 1. Moogle hasn't done much of anything, while lots of other people have done lots of very interesting things, but we're going to go after him cause we've got nothing else?

Theory:
Geminex is mafia. He saw the 4 hour deadline, saw the majority vote on Kerensky, who is also be mafia, got worried, and tried to build a case for a lynch on someone else. The case against Nikose lead by IC wasn't going anywhere, so he went for Moogle as a convenient target. Then IC, who is a third mafiate, followed his teammate's lead and also voted for Moogle.

So also, FOS: Kerensky287 Admittedly, that's kinda unfair of me, as I'm basing it off the votes against him and the actions of others, rather than on anything in particular he did, but it stands.

I'm not ready to vote for any of them, as we've got time before the end of the day, and my theory is just a theory.

[Nikose Tyris]

Man Gregness I just want to take a minute to say that I will totes make offhanded silly insults at people regardless of alignment, because my natural human morality is total dickhole and I think that's shown well enough in every situation.

[Nikose Tyris]

Like if being a dick is a scum action then I think we should all be voting Rick Perry here

[Nikose Tyris]

Also I think our clear and present path today should be a solid lynch on IC followed by public declaration of if Kerensky is what he claims or not.

Because in this small a game, There really won't be more than 3 mafiates at maximum. maybe only 2, depending on Rounding.

[Moogle0119]

What's all this nonsense about me being afk all the time? Admittedly I don't sit at a computer all day hitting F5 to keep up with the posts as they happen, but I am keeping up with the conversation. Usually there's nothing to find out DURING Day 1 anyway and some poor bastard always gets lynched because he said or did something stupid.

Speaking of doing something stupid.....

Unvote: Kerensky
Vote: Lawful Neutral

I didn't see you edit your posts when it was happening (again, not at the computer 24/7) but editing your posts is a pretty scummy move. Plus if you're claiming things, then editing your post to claim something else......yeah....

P.S. I also like how some people started trying to lynch inactives on Day 1. That seems really REALLY ridiculous seeing as how the game started roughly 48 hours ago. Inactives shouldn't even be brought up until Day 2 (or Day 1 if they haven't posted at all I guess).

[Nikose Tyris]

I have 0 issues with a lynch on LN, but I'd prefer IC today, LN tomorrow.

[Kerensky287]

Also I think our clear and present path today should be a solid lynch on IC followed by public declaration of if Kerensky is what he claims or not.

Because in this small a game, There really won't be more than 3 mafiates at maximum. maybe only 2, depending on Rounding.

What do you mean by public declaration?

I'm still torn between Inbred and Lawful - either one of them is mafia, or Lawful's an idiot. There's no other reason to counterclaim.

[Kerensky287]

Yeah, you know what?

Vote: Lawful Neutral

That's 4 so far, by my count.

[Nikose Tyris]

See I take you voting for LN as a sign of his innocence since I doubt you so hard, Kerensky.

So hard.

[Nikose Tyris]

And public declaration to mean "Oh hey by the way these x people are not mafia"
"Well okay that works" *Begin working through who is also not mafia*

If Kerensky gets vetted for by someone stepping up to claim PO [and anyone who counterclaims is either mafia or the real one, and either way, Kerensky gonna get accused real bad of something by one of em], that'd be both mafiates, assuming this tiny-ass game has 2, and we'd only have 1 hiding if it has 3.

Either way splitting the vote between the IC crowd and the LN crowd is silly, let's get one then the other.

People voting for LN are just lynchsplitting.

[Lawful Neutral]

Very well, I don't even care if this gets me killed tonight.

Bard, if you will.
Vote: Inbred Chocobo

[Bard The 5th LW]

Vote Count

Greed: 1 (RPGdemon)
IC: 4 (Revolving Ocelot, Nikose, Lawful Neutral)
Lawful Neutral: 4 (IC, Moogle, Kerensky, Aldurin)

Takes 8 to lynch. Day ends at some point tomorrow.

[Nikose Tyris]

Vote Count

Greed: 1 (RPGdemon)
IC: 1 (Nikose)
Lawful Neutral: 4 (IC, Moogle, Kerensky, Aldurin)

Takes 8 to lynch. Day ends at some point tomorrow.

...Bard, what the actual fuck.

5 on IC.

[Bard The 5th LW]

??? I may have severe;y misread something what?

[Nikose Tyris]

I'm going back to double check but there's no fucking way I'm the only person currently voting for IC.

[Bard The 5th LW]

As far as I can see you are the only one!

Also, updated.

[Nikose Tyris]

Revolving Ocelot at the very least, and Aldurin get back in here and vote for Inbred.

[Kerensky287]

Not sure why you want both of them gone, to be honest.

Why would mafia counterclaim itself, especially in a small game like this? That's basically a guarantee that one of the two players is gone that cycle by lynch or nightkill.

Right now, here's how I see it.

If Inbred is honest (is doctor, town-aligned):
-Lawful is mafia.
-The mafia has seen Inbred's roleclaim and will go after him overnight, knowing that he'll probably be protecting the only other roleclaimed townie (me) anyway.
-If Inbred gets lynched, I die. We're out 2 of (probably) 3 power roles.
-If Lawful gets lynched, the mafia loses a player. We're out 1 power role (Inbred), the Mafia is out 1 player (Lawful).

If Lawful is honest (is Bubblegum, but not doctor):
-Inbred is mafia.
-The mafia will kill me overnight as the most powerful townie roleclaim.
-If we lynch Inbred, town is out 1 power role (me), mafia is out 1 player (Inbred).
-If we lynch Lawful, town is out 2 power roles, but doctor is not one of them.

If both Lawful and Inbred are town:
-Lawful is an idiot whose counterclaim made no sense and harmed us in the long run. He's a liability to the town.

Voting off Lawful suits me best; worst case scenario, we lose the vig and mayor, but we have one mafiate's identity confirmed. Best case, we kill a mafiate and only lose the doctor (also I live! that's my favorite part).

[Nikose Tyris]

Inbred is clearly the mafiate here. I don't want Lawful gone. If Inbred isn't, we can off Lawful tomorow. Voting for Inbred makes more sense because Lawful would have to be functionally retarded to claim like that. Worst case scenario, we find out that LN is literally so stupid that he is no actual threat to town, best case scenario we kill a mafiate day 1.

[Nikose Tyris]

aka do not read me saying "Lynch one then the other" as "They are both mafia", but rather "If not one, then the other."

Also your continued misreading of what I'm clearly saying is only further convincing me of your mafia-like status, despite your quite excellent roleclaim.

[Nikose Tyris]

You know what just to make it very clear on this one:

If you go to lynch LN, The lynch is going to redirect to me. I've already sent in my PM regarding that.

[Kerensky287]

Speaking of doing something stupid.....

Unvote: Kerensky
Vote: Lawful Neutral

<>

See I take you voting for LN as a sign of his innocence since I doubt you so hard, Kerensky.

So hard.

<3<

Inbred is clearly the mafiate here.

Explain.

Without using the phrase "ugly face."

I don't want Lawful gone. If Inbred isn't, we can off Lawful tomorow. Voting for Inbred makes more sense because Lawful would have to be functionally retarded to claim like that. Worst case scenario, we find out that LN is literally so stupid that he is no actual threat to town, best case scenario we kill a mafiate day 1.

Lawful appears to have signed up just for this game, which implies to me that he's new. And I don't think that claim is functionally retarded; as a mafiate, counterclaiming a power role means that you have a chance to take out a major obstacle by lynch before moving onto another with the nightkill. Obviously the town's gonna go after him after Inbred flips, but either he hasn't thought that far ahead (inexperience, remember? Same reason he EDITED HIS POST) or he's willing to sacrifice himself to take out two power roles.

[Bard The 5th LW]

Just realized that i did leave Ro's vote out of the count. Fixed now.

[Aldurin]

I don't know if I can completely buy what Nikose is pushing right now, I'll give more thoughts on this later. My vote remains.

[Aldurin]

Hey bard, you current votecount says that there are 3 people casting 4 votes for IC. Is this right?

[Nikose Tyris]

"A vote for LN is a vote for Nikose."

That is what that means.

[Inbred Chocobo]

Yeah but I'm the freaking Doctor man. I have the ability to delay the Mafia's struggle to kill us. It would make some sense if say the Mafia just got a fourth man with the new person, so they feel like they can risk someone, so they decide to put someone on the line to take out the doctor day one, giving them open season at even night 1 on everyone alive.

Besides, a mayor role, which can either stop a lynch or redirect it, would certainly activate his power if he was about to get lynched, and I don't see that happening.

[Nikose Tyris]

No takebacks on my power use. Going to bed. Lynching LN lynches Nikose instead, LN lives.

[Lawful Neutral]

Vote Count

Greed: 1 (RPGdemon)
IC: 4 (Revolving Ocelot, Nikose, Lawful Neutral)
Lawful Neutral: 4 (IC, Moogle, Kerensky, Aldurin)

Takes 8 to lynch. Day ends at some point tomorrow.

Just gonna quote this.
Mayor power gives me a double vote.
Do you believe me now?

[Kerensky287]

aka do not read me saying "Lynch one then the other" as "They are both mafia", but rather "If not one, then the other."

Also your continued misreading of what I'm clearly saying is only further convincing me of your mafia-like status, despite your quite excellent roleclaim.

"One then the other" implies sequence. Not disputing your intended meaning, just defending my misreading.

And I don't see your logic in suiciding to defend Lawful. It doesn't help us at all. At the very least, if either Lawful or Inbred is lynched, then flips town, I can nightkill the other one. If you suicide, we're left with the exact same dilemma, minus one person for the discussion because the Mafia's pulled off their nighttime actions.

[Nikose Tyris]

Just gonna quote this.
Mayor power gives me a double vote.
Do you believe me now?

because fucking this.

[Moogle0119]

Once Bard confirms that the current vote count is correct (4 votes on IC with Lawful Neutral counting as 2) I'll take my vote off of him. Otherwise it stays.

Edit: Bard was wrong earlier on the vote counts so I'll wait for confirmation instead of just believing it right away.

[Lawful Neutral]

Also, I apologize for whatever mistakes I have made. I am in fact new to this, and haven't really gotten the hang of anything.

[Kerensky287]

Just gonna quote this.
Mayor power gives me a double vote.
Do you believe me now?

....

...Fine. Alright, then.

Unvote: Lawful

Vote: Inbred

Part of this is that I realized my prior logic was flawed; if Inbred isn't the doctor, that means our doc is still out there, hopefully planning to protect either me or Lawful overnight.

For the record, though, if Inbred flips town, I curse Nikose with my dying breath. And by curse I mean nightkill.

[Bard The 5th LW]

Vote count is accurate!

[Inbred Chocobo]

There is also these two possibility I wanted to throw out there, in case I do get lynched and you guys need some direction.

There is the possibility that there is someone that has the power that their vote goes out via pm, and we don't see it. (either town or scum, hard to say which)

There is the possibility that Lawful Neutral has a scum aligned power that gives a double vote. (I seriously doubt its just scum with the ability to kill and nothing else).

[Moogle0119]

Unvote: Lawful Neutral

[Nikose Tyris]

FOS: Moogle0119

[Kerensky287]

Also, I apologize for whatever mistakes I have made. I am in fact new to this, and haven't really gotten the hang of anything.

Yeah, it's fine. Mafia takes some getting used to. The opening post usually mentions post-editing - generally by threatening a GM kill - so you can be forgiven for not knowing that rule here.

And you were smart to realize it might be too early to roleclaim, too (assuming you're town). The mafia will go after players with roles, so...

Oh yeah! My recommendation for night actions.

If Inbred flips town:
-I'll kill Nikose or Lawful, depending on how spiteful I feel at the time. Probably Lawful, despite my earlier allegations of cuttin' on traitors.

If Inbred flips mafia:
-Not sure who I'll nightkill. I'm open to suggestions.
-Real doctor should guard either me or Lawful - decide on your own, obviously, but that at least gives us a 50/50 chance of keeping both power roles.
-Players I'm still FoSing: Geminex, BahamutFlare. Gem has been fake-active (lots of posts, no substance) and voting inactives, and BahamutFlare has been knee-jerking/pushing for quick lynches.

And now I'm done being bossy.

[Nikose Tyris]

Geminex or Yourself would be good targets.

[Kerensky287]

Quick question, Lawful.

Why, after your edit-shenanigans were outed, didn't you tell us what your role did?

Unvote: Inbred

FoS: Lawful

[Nikose Tyris]

FoS: Kerensky287

Because showing all your cards at once is dumb. Better to keep something in reserve.

[Kerensky287]

But he was claiming to be like, the town mayor or some shit.

That's really not a doublevote at all.

[Nikose Tyris]

Role Title versus Power are not always identical, lunatic.

[Lawful Neutral]

I said this "I find it odd that you're claiming Princess Bubblegum, as that's the character I have been assigned.

On top of that, it's not even the right role."

Maybe Bard wanted to mix things up?
I'm not sure why it's double vote this time around, but I assure you I'm not lying.

[Inbred Chocobo]

I think there is someone with a pm vote that they can do out there honestly. I guess the truth will come out when one of us is lynched.

[Kerensky287]

I think there is someone with a pm vote that they can do out there honestly. I guess the truth will come out when one of us is lynched.

ARGH THIS MAKES SO MUCH MORE SENSE THAN DOUBLEVOTES THOUGH

Fuck it, I'm going to bed. I'll check back during the day tomorrow to see if any progress has been made.

Currently leaning toward lynching Lawful. If we do it successfully, I plan to nightkill Nikose because that means his miller claim was probably a lie all along.

And frankly, Adventure Time is too popular for someone not to know that it's a friggin' TV show.

[Aldurin]

Unvote: Lawful Neutral

Vote: Inbred Chocobo

The proof is in the pudding/porridge/damn I'm hungry.

[Nikose Tyris]

If Inbred is Mafia

Kerensky is possibly mafia

Moogle is more likely mafia

Geminex is maybe mafia

Aldurin is probably not mafia but I wouldn't mind if he just roleclaimed for my sake.

[Moogle0119]

Vote: IC

I'm not sure why you'd think someone having a secret vote and trying to save a supposedly "scum-aligned" LN is more viable than him being honest and actually having two votes. You've played plenty of mafia games before, you're better than making a mistake like that which leaves me no choice but to suspect you're scum.

Edit: Why so suspicious of me suddenly Nikose?

[Nikose Tyris]

Your refusal to vote IC previously after we cleared LN [and you clearly noted his innocence in your unvote], when the focus was LN vs IC on a counterclaim as Princess Bubblegum.

[Moogle0119]

*Shrug* It was a toss-up for me between you and IC (after I unvoted LN) so I figured I'd wait and see before just switching votes and rushing anything. IC's got terrible reasoning though (regardless of claims) and he can't argue that he's new to mafia or anything.

[Bard The 5th LW]

Vote Count

Greed: 1 (RPGdemon)
Inbred Chocobo: 6 (Revolving Ocelot, Nik, Lawful Neutral, Aldurin, Moogle)
Lawful Neutral: 1 (Inbred Chocobo)

It takes 8 to lynch. Day ends at an undefined point tomorrow.

[Ryanderman]

Vote: Inbred Chocobo

The pseudo GM confirm of LN's double vote power which backs up LN's pseudo counter role claim is enough to tip my suspicions into a vote for IC.

I think Kerensky and Geminex are also mafia. If the PO is looking for ideas on who to investigate (cause goodness knows, it's so hard to find someone acting suspicious in this game), I'd suggest one of them.

[Inbred Chocobo]

Fine, lets end this

Unvote: LN
Vote: Inbred Chocobo

Btw guys, I still would've called Nikose on that even if I was town, that miller claim was down horribly awful.

[Kerensky287]

Whoa. Shit.

Well, I apologize, Lawful.

[Bard The 5th LW]

Day 1 is now over. Post will be up soon-ish.

[Bard The 5th LW]

As the day drew near, the votes were counted and a majority was reached.

"Bring the intruder forward!" cried a voice from the balcony. Within the throngs of Candy People blow, a jostling was heard as someone was pushed to the head of thew crowd. As the figure approached the forefront, a shrill voice cut through the air and into the people's ears like a knife.

"This..... iiiiis..... UNNNNAAAACCCEEEEPTAAAABLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

The gray clad Earl of Lemongrab was pushed upon the stand below the balcony, thrashing about violently, hands bound together. "Earl Lemongrab, I am severely disappointed in your betrayal of the kingdom," spoke the princess, a hint of regret in her voice,"guards, set him to the gallows!"

"Unhand me!" the Earl screamed as the hands reached for him, but it was to no avail. A hushed silence swept the crowd as the noose was tied to his neck...

Inbred Chocobo, The Earl of Lemongrab, Mafia Roleblocker, has been lynched. Night 1 has begun. Day 2 shall begin whenever I say it begins.

[Bard The 5th LW]

In the Night, a short, shady, figure moved through the dark alleys of the Candy Kingdom.

"You! Stop right there!" A shrill voice broke through the darkness, the owner of the voice moved forward, sword in hand. The figure wasn't very tall, and it was donned in an odd hat. "What are you doing out at this time of night?" he demanded threateningly.

"Uhh, I was just going to find my friends..." the other voice replied, frightened. It began to back away slowly, fear in its eyes. Its voice seemed to be young , much like the sahdow across from it.

"Liar!" the other figure screamed before he leaped forward, sword in hand.

---

As dawn broke, the Candy people gathered in the Town Square to mourn the tragic loss of Geminex, Marshmallow Boy #3 (Town Aligned), life terribly cut short by a vicious shanking in the night. Other than that, there were no deaths to be counted for.

DAY 1 has begun. With 13 left it takes 7 to lynch. Day shall end when you reach a majority or I say it ends.

[Geminex]

http://i.imgur.com/sBIJv.jpg

[Revising Ocelot]

Inbred Chocobo, The Earl of Lemongrab, Mafia Roleblocker, has been lynched.

1. Revolving Ocelot
2. rpgdemon
3. Kerensky287
4. Geminex- Marshmallow Boy #3 - Tragically stabbed to death
5. Mr. Bookworm
6. Moogle0119
7. BahamutFlare
8. Aldurin
9. Gregness
10. Greed
-------------->11. Inbred Chocobo<--------------
12. Lawful Neutral
13. Nikose
14. Ryanderman

What's going on here, then?

[Nikose Tyris]

VOTE: KERENSKY287

There was no vig action last night, and the mafia roleblocker died.

WHERE WERE YOU, KERENSKY. I demand an answer of you!

...unless only the vig acted and no mafia acted. I'm not actually sure. BUT ONLY A TOWNIE DIED AND THAT IS SUSPICIOUS.

[Moogle0119]

I'm not familiar at all with Adventure Times but does Finn the Human (character Kerensky roleclaimed to be) have a sword and/or described as "The figure wasn't very tall, and it was donned in an odd hat"?

If so I'll hold off on voting for him since it'll indicate that only the Vig acted last night.

[Bard The 5th LW]

What's going on here, then?

I just forgot.

e: FIXED

With 12 players remaining it still takes 7 to lynch

[Revising Ocelot]

VOTE: KERENSKY287

There was no vig action last night, and the mafia roleblocker died.

WHERE WERE YOU, KERENSKY. I demand an answer of you!

...unless only the vig acted and no mafia acted. I'm not actually sure. BUT ONLY A TOWNIE DIED AND THAT IS SUSPICIOUS.

That's assuming Kerensky is the vig to begin with. He could be the SK for all we know, which would still make him a target for mafia. And for a 14 man game, 4 kills a day/night cycle wouldn't make for a decent game length. I think it's quite possible that of the SK/Vig, one isn't present in this game.

The alternative is that there -are- 3 kill roles and we had some pro bodyguard/doctor/roleblocker action last night, but since Kerensky's already claimed, I want input from him too.

[Revising Ocelot]

I'm not familiar at all with Adventure Times but does Finn the Human (character Kerensky roleclaimed to be) have a sword and/or described as "The figure wasn't very tall, and it was donned in an odd hat"?

If so I'll hold off on voting for him since it'll indicate that only the Vig acted last night.

He looks like this:

http://i.imgur.com/5GyPY.png

It's more of a hood thing than a hat, though...

[Kerensky287]

Not sure who I'll nightkill. I'm open to suggestions.

Geminex or Yourself would be good targets.

As dawn broke, the Candy people gathered in the Town Square to mourn the tragic loss of Geminex, Marshmallow Boy #3 (Town Aligned), life terribly cut short by a vicious shanking in the night.

VOTE: KERENSKY287

>:C

[Kerensky287]

In case the above isn't clear, I went after Gem last night. That was me. He kind of set off my mafia alarm because of his posting habits - acting like a peacekeeper by defending people, but agreeing with everyone's suspicions at the same time. I called him on this on more than one occasion and never even heard an explanation, and until Inbred flipped, my only other suspected target was Nikose, and HE'S obviously not mafia because he was... Umm, the lynchpin of Day 1 (I'm sorry).

That said, last night's events are easily explainable by the fact that there's probably a doctor/bodyguard, and the number of likely mafia targets was very small. There isn't always flavor text for a nighttime protection.

[Revising Ocelot]

Perusal of the wiki does say Finn's thingy is a really awesome hat, so that kill message plays out fine with your story.

Since the Mafia roleblocker's dead, that leaves town power roles in a strong position. An extra killing role is far more powerful than an extra vote, so it's also safe to presume a doctor protected you. Bodyguards die when they protect someone, don't they?
So long as the doctor stays invisible, we're good to go.

[Nikose Tyris]

Unvote: Kerensky287

legitimate. You are clear in my books.

[Nikose Tyris]

Also, I have reason to suspect the bodyguard protected Lawful Neutral last night instead, as Kerensky's role wasn't verified, and he WAS the logical bodyguard target

Mafia's inaction confuses me, but it may have been a play to make us suspect Kerensky, then.

[Revising Ocelot]

Doubt that Mafia would be inactive. There's probably only two, possibly three members remaining.

[Nikose Tyris]

Okay So in my mind, we have 3 confirmed townies- Kerensky, Myself, and Lawful Neutral.

Kerensky definitely looooooks like Finn, and Lawful Neutral is in all likelyhood Princess Bubblegum.

KISS EACH OTHER.

I include myself, but logically nobody else in this game will or should.

Moogle & RPGdemon are on my suspicion list. Is there a PO, and did he investigate anyone last night are some important questions to ask here. [He may not want to come forward if he investigated someone already confirmed town- but 4+ confirmed townies would be super, super handy in terms of forming logical lynch mobs.

[Mr.Bookworm]

Mafia's inaction confuses me, but it may have been a play to make us suspect Kerensky, then.

Mmm, I doubt they would waste a kill like that.

Maybe they went after Kerensky, too?

Or it is still possible (albeit unlikely, due to the description) that Kerensky is lying, there is no Vig, and the Mafia hit Gem last night.

[Nikose Tyris]

RO- Mafia was apparently inactive because of the night post. not even a missed hit written up? Either Bard is lazy or somethin's up with the mafia.

[Nikose Tyris]

FoS: Bookworm

I've actually had latent suspicions on you for being relatively out of character as to how you normally go about things; Also you seemed entirely more playful with Inbred Chocobo then you normally are, suggesting growing familiarity with someone via PM- such as a scummate.

This is a pretty laid-back accusation.

[Revising Ocelot]

Do missed hits usually get written up on? There was the stuff in Hatland about break-ins and such, but that's all I can recall. And those weren't even hits.

[Nikose Tyris]

I know that I usually include them for prosperity and for red herring's sake; Most games I'm in include them for the same reasons.

Bard may be excluding them, but that's kind of boring/lame.

[Mr.Bookworm]

Do missed hits usually get written up on? There was the stuff in Hatland about break-ins and such, but that's all I can recall. And those weren't even hits.

That was specific to greed's role, and no, investigations don't usually get shown.

Missed hits sometimes do, depending on the game, but I dunno.

FoS: Bookworm

I've actually had latent suspicions on you for being relatively out of character as to how you normally go about things; Also you seemed entirely more playful with Inbred Chocobo then you normally are, suggesting growing familiarity with someone via PM- such as a scummate.

Man what. I haven't even talked to IC, let alone been playful beyond Day 1 silliness.

[Gregness]

Perusal of the wiki does say Finn's thingy is a really awesome hat, so that kill message plays out fine with your story.

Since the Mafia roleblocker's dead, that leaves town power roles in a strong position. An extra killing role is far more powerful than an extra vote, so it's also safe to presume a doctor protected you. Bodyguards die when they protect someone, don't they?
So long as the doctor stays invisible, we're good to go.

Well, I'm not sure there are that many power roles to begin with. The last few games have been crazy, high powered affairs but this game seems much more standard so far. I wouldn't expect there to be much more than a cop a doc and a vig with some people having some one-shot things.

So, if the doc protected someone successfully last night, then on the one hand that's a good thing, but on the other it limits the amount of information we got. Going back over yesterday's discussion about the best I've got is:

FoS: Ryanderman

Mostly for his suspicions of Geminex, who was revealed to be town, and of Kerensky, who I'm pretty convinced gave us a legit roleclaim.

[Nikose Tyris]

I'm willing to tenatively go along with that, Gregness. Something about it feels off though, and I can't quite put my finger on it.

[Gregness]

Yeah, I know what you mean. He also went along with the lynch on IC which turned out to be on a mafiate so either Ryander was just legit suspicious of the other two, or mafia was throwing IC under the bus since his roleclaim went sour.

Anyway, that doubt is why it's just a FoS

[Revising Ocelot]

Well, if Mafia can't block the doctor and we confirm a police officer, the doc can simply protect him every night while he identifies each person. That's apparently one of the common winning strategies. Not that I'm suggesting the PO should out himself yet - save that for Day 3, or Day 4 if he wants to risk it.

[Revising Ocelot]

or mafia was throwing IC under the bus since his roleclaim went sour.


He voted himself at the end and even said he was scum. Since a Mafia Roleblocker would be the spanner in the works of spam-protecting a police officer, I'm surprised he gave up.

[rpgdemon]

I hate all of you for pushing through an early lynch, before I could tell you that Gem was town. He and I were masoned and able to communicate, and I was ABOUT TO POST THAT. I didn't want to give the scum any information to act on though.

There's one more person in the masonry, but I won't give who, yet.

Next time, don't start bandwagonning and piling on the votes when it's clear that the guy's gonna die, just to hit the cap. I'm incredibly suspicious of those people who put on the last few votes, since they're the reason IC could cap himself.

They go, "Oh, I wasn't the cap! How was I supposed to know it'd end early!", all the while talking to IC and telling him to lynch himself so that A) They can look clean, and B) They can end the day before someone defends the townie the vig stated he was going to kill.

Unless a roleblock comes forward (I don't know if you want to or not), I'm guessing the mafia didn't make a hit tonight, to try to psych us out into killing Kerensky. They don't make a hit, then go, "Look, no vig! The scum killed a townie, and there was no second kill!", ignoring the fact that the vig already said, "I'm going to kill Geminex."

So, Ryanderman is the most suspicious by way of lynch-cap, followed by Moogle.

Nikose is suspicious for the "LET'S LYNCH THE VIG FOR DOING WHAT HE SAID", idea, despite his "confirmation" of being not-scum. Especially since he himself said to go after Gem. Scum wouldn't hit someone high on the scumdar, since they're good scape goats. Either Nik is being really dumb, or scummy.

RO also was doing some weird stuff about the nightkill, trying to paint Kerensky as a SK instead of a Vig, but the flavor completely destroys that.

vote: Ryanderman

I had suspicions about him before: To copy/paste from the board wherein our masonary is had:

December 14, 2011
12:31 rpgdemon: Ryandermander is now on my hunch list.
Gem: Nah.
16:02 Gem: I don't think Bard would have given him anything powerful.
16:02 Gem: Because for ryanderman to be important, the game would ahve had to be missing an important role before.

I still suspect him.

[Nikose Tyris]

....Eh. I'd accept the PO stepping up and claiming. If he has a confirmed town to bring with him, then we have a decently strong strike-force against the mafia formed, and if we're armed with a nightkill [Kerensky] then we might win through stubborn determination.

Alt. if the PO investigated me last night, he is VERY STUPID and should remain in hiding out of shame.

[rpgdemon]

He voted himself at the end and even said he was scum. Since a Mafia Roleblocker would be the spanner in the works of spam-protecting a police officer, I'm surprised he gave up.

I'm not, read the post I was typing while all this new-post-making happened. The fact that you're defending the mafia with an argument that makes no sense at all "Since a Mafia Roleblocker would be the spanner in the works of spam-protecting a police officer" (WAT?) makes me think that you're trying to pull attention away from the people who would have also made the "final" vote, if they can talk to IC.

[Gregness]

Well, Bard originally was wanting to run this with like 20 people so it's entirely likely he had roles just sitting around.

[Revising Ocelot]

RO also was doing some weird stuff about the nightkill, trying to paint Kerensky as a SK instead of a Vig, but the flavor completely destroys that.

It was only one of the possibilities I considered. I couldn't remember what Finn looked like until I checked the wiki. Didn't you see the post where I confirmed Finn's thing is a hat rather than a hood/fur/whatever?

[rpgdemon]

That's why I think that we shouldn't just metagame and go, "If he wasn't in it originally, he can't be anything but vanilla townie."

[Nikose Tyris]

Nikose is suspicious for the "LET'S LYNCH THE VIG FOR DOING WHAT HE SAID", idea, despite his "confirmation" of being not-scum. Especially since he himself said to go after Gem. Scum wouldn't hit someone high on the scumdar, since they're good scape goats. Either Nik is being really dumb, or scummy.

Only one action happened last night. In a game this small, it's just as likely that a mafiate would claim to be Vig, and act like a vig, even declaring his hit. There's 0 reason not to go along with what he claimed in the day for his night action, if were the mafia don. He'd be whittling down his opposition.

I'm not being dumb, and i'm not being scummy, but hey, let's declare mason partners with the dead nightkill, that's good and safe. Especially when shit like "Mason" usually shows up in a nightpost.

[Gregness]

....Eh. I'd accept the PO stepping up and claiming. If he has a confirmed town to bring with him, then we have a decently strong strike-force against the mafia formed, and if we're armed with a nightkill [Kerensky] then we might win through stubborn determination.

Alt. if the PO investigated me last night, he is VERY STUPID and should remain in hiding out of shame.

It's too early for the PO to be claiming at this point.

[rpgdemon]

I know that I usually include them for prosperity and for red herring's sake; Most games I'm in include them for the same reasons.

Bard may be excluding them, but that's kind of boring/lame.

In the MLP game, we only found out about failed kills after it was over.

[Nikose Tyris]

it does label as #3 though which I'll take as confirmation of a mason.

[Nikose Tyris]

Lawful Neutral
Kerensky287
RPGDemon
RPGDemon's Remaining Mason Partner
[PO]
[PO's night target]

6 confirmed towns would be pretty awesome, Gregness. The logic is sound, and 'too early in game' doesn't work so hot when it's a tiny-ass game.

[Gregness]

*snip*

I'm not being dumb, and i'm not being scummy, but hey, let's declare mason partners with the dead nightkill, that's good and safe. Especially when shit like "Mason" usually shows up in a nightpost.

This is actually a very good point.

FoS: rpgdemon

[rpgdemon]

I am Marshmallow Boy #2. If anyone would like to counter that, go ahead.

As I said, I couldn't confirm the masonry pre-death, because of the actions of Ryanderman, Moogle, and IC, whether they were acting in unison or not.

[Nikose Tyris]

No, Gregness, I'm actually agreeing with RPGdemon now. It's a pretty good claim but if anyone were to step up and counter it, go right ahead.

[Gregness]

Eh, I'd jump on board with it if the third guy comes out and he and rpg confirm each other. It's not like they'd be any bigger a target than Kerensky already is so I don't see the risk.

[Ryanderman]

I was legit suspicious of Geminex and Kerensky along with IC, because of the votes for Moogle when it looked like Kerensky was about to be lynched. But I wasn't willing to commit to a vote based on my theory, cause my record with my theories of that sort isn't so great. When LN sorta roleclaimed the role IC claimed, and everyone agreed that was pretty damning for IC, that seemed to me to add plenty weight to my theory, so I voted IC. I was so late in the vote cause that was when I got on and saw the latest developments.

With Gem flipping town though, I'm not suspicious of Kerensky any more.

[Nikose Tyris]

...hey Gregness.

What's your roleclaim? I'm curious.

[Gregness]

I am Tree Trunks, the Lucky Elephant (Town Aligned).

Because, again, I don't see the risk.

[Nikose Tyris]

Clear [in my books]:
Kerensky287
Myself
Lawful Neutral
...RPGdemon

Semi-Clear[Roleclaim Suspect, Cleared until challenged]:
Gregness

Lightly Suspect:
Aldurin
Bookworm

Heavily Suspect:
Greed
Moogle0119

[Nikose Tyris]

Contemplating editting my post to put Ryanderman under "Heavy Suspect".

[Kerensky287]

I'm inclined to list Moogle as cleared, actually. Inbred voted for him with only 1 other (town) voter, which makes me think it was an attemp to start a new vote train after I roleclaimed.

[greed]

To head off suspicion I'm town as fuck. I'm Choose Goose and have three one shot powers.

First was my protection of LN, which I used last night. Telling this so the BG if present can focus on him or Kerensky instead as they are the confirmed town power roles.

My other two powers are indirect and involve granting an ability to someone else. If anyone is still doubting me I'll grant one of my powers to one of the confirmed towns tonight.

I don't really want roleclaim this early honestly but I'm gonna be busy for most of the weekend and don't want to come back to being lynched before I could defend myself.

[Lawful Neutral]

Greed is correct.
He did in fact protect me last night.

[Kerensky287]

Well, I believe him.

List of people I trust:
-Lawful Neutral
-RPGdemon (I had suspicions that "Marshmallow Boy #3" was just an indicator of a random, unimportant townie, rather than an indicator of a 3-man mason group, but that does seem like a bit of a stretch)
-Greed
-Moogle (based purely on who tried to off him in the past, and the situation surrounding that)

List of people I kinda, sorta trust
-Nikose (He started, and pushed REALLY REALLY HARD for, a lynch train on a mafiate. But this is Nikose we're talking about here.)

Official fingers of suspicion:
-FoS: BahamutFlare, due to early kneejerk-votes and complete inactivity since then
-FoS: Gregness, because I get the feeling he's subtly fishing for power roles for some reason, and because... well, vanilla town roleclaim. This just sort of strikes me as a power game.
-FoS: Ryanderman, for the reasons stated.

[Kerensky287]

Lawful, how do you know you were protected overnight?

[Kerensky287]

Further reason to FoS Gregness that I just noticed: He claimed this didn't seem like a power game, which I suspect is what led to him claiming vanilla.

However, here are the roles we know of/have seen claimed:
-Me, vig
-Lawful, 2xvoter
-Inbred, mafia roleblocker
-Nikose, miller/dickbag
-Geminex, Marshmallow Boy #3, probable mason
-RPGdemon, probable mason
-A third mason
-Greed, role selector

That's 8 players in a 14-player game with some kind of unusual role. More than 50%. That just screams power game to me, which leads me to believe that Gregness is lying about his role.

[Lawful Neutral]

I received a PM from Bard explaining that I was protected for the remainder of Night 1.
The flavor text included mentioned a bird giving me the armor, so I don't doubt him.

[Gregness]

Further reason to FoS Gregness that I just noticed: He claimed this didn't seem like a power game, which I suspect is what led to him claiming vanilla.

However, here are the roles we know of/have seen claimed:
-Me, vig
-Lawful, 2xvoter
-Inbred, mafia roleblocker
-Nikose, miller/dickbag
-Geminex, Marshmallow Boy #3, probable mason
-RPGdemon, probable mason
-A third mason
-Greed, role selector

That's 8 players in a 14-player game with some kind of unusual role. More than 50%. That just screams power game to me, which leads me to believe that Gregness is lying about his role.

I didn't mean to imply that this was entirely a vanilla game. I imagine the degree of powers is something just below the saturation in the MLP mafia game. And, if you take a look at that list and what I said which was:

Well, I'm not sure there are that many power roles to begin with. The last few games have been crazy, high powered affairs but this game seems much more standard so far. I wouldn't expect there to be much more than a cop a doc and a vig with some people having some one-shot things.

The important part being:


I wouldn't expect there to be much more than a cop a doc and a vig with some people having some one-shot things.

You'll note in that list you gave that basically holds. Few power roles =\= vanilla. Like, maybe this is just semantics on my part, but when I say power roles I think of repeatable or constant effects. I would honestly be very surprised if mafia had any more power roles. Maybe a strongman, but I dunno. Double-voting is kind of cute, I guess, but it's sort of 150% of a vanilla townie if that makes sense. I think trying to construe "miller" as a power role would be too much of a stretch for Mr. Fantastic. Then only thing it does is serve to make the cop (if one exists) weaker.

Mason is cool, I guess, but still kind of tame for the power level of the last few games in the forum.

The big point, to re-emphasize, is that I don't think low power =\= vanilla.

Like, I dunno, nothing I said is contradicted by facts and if wasn't already 95% sure you were legit with your townie Vig this would be some serious scum vibes. :raise:

[Gregness]

Ugh, that second to last line should read:

"The big point, to re-emphasize, is that I don't think low power = vanilla."

At what point is it okay to edit? I feel pretty dumb having to double-post for this.

[Bard The 5th LW]

There are officially no edit rules, but others might take it the wrong way.

[BahamutFlare]

Kerensky, I for sure can log on midnight EST. And you guys finished the lynch on IC 2 hours before I got to a computer. And now that it's evening and I have nowhere to go, I can post. Also, you were the weirdest acting on D1. Even you admitted you went to far. Usually I can see that as a classic cover up for scum. I'm always joking so you never know when I'm serious. I role claim mafia as a joke D1 but I'm not actually mafia. I just joke around. Then you claimed and there was no way I was going to lynch our vig. Not worth the risk. I immediately unvoted too.

My thoughts on yesterday was this also. IC role claimed as Bubblegum Half human half gum. I don't think the race/make-up of the person was given. I'm pretty sure LN says Princess Bubblegum, Mayor. Something simple. I'm surprised that didn't catch anyone else's eyes.

As of right now, I don't remember being told I was guarded which is odd. Greed seemed a bit of a complex role. Not sure if it's too much or what. No one even asked him to role-claim. I'm semi-suspicious of him. But LN did say. I just hope that it isn't a joint effort and there are secret votes or something like that like Hatland Mafia had. But I don't think it's enough to warrant a vote yet.

Kerensky, Gregness didn't say Vanilla. He didn't reveal what he can do. I just know Tree Trunks is the most kindest and annoying elephant ever. At least I don't think so. And Gregness even suspects scum vibes too. But like he said, you're pretty much confirmed. You're just shady like the night post said. :P

[Revising Ocelot]

As of right now, I don't remember being told I was guarded which is odd.

Eh? Nobody said they were guarding you.

[BahamutFlare]

Eh? Nobody said they were guarding you.

In other games. I don't think anyone I guarded was told that they were being guarded by me when I was Storm. I didn't mean this game.

[Nikose Tyris]

...One second while I flip a coin.

...Yep. VOTE: BAHAMUTFLARE

[Lawful Neutral]

Just in case anyone's still doubting Greed's claim as Choose Goose, the note that I received from bard was in verse.

The Choose Goose speaks in rhyme all the time, and the armor I recieved was the Armor of Zelderon, an artifact that he helps Finn find in the show.

[Kerensky287]

I vote we see if BahamutFlare is RPG's third mason.

If not, we lynch.

Secondary targets?

[Bard The 5th LW]

Vote Count

BahamutFlare: 1 (Nikose)
Ryanderman: 1 (RPGdemon)

Day will end at some point on late Sunday/early Monday or until a lynch is reached. With 12 left it takes 7 to lynch.

[BahamutFlare]

Flipping a coin Nikose? And can someone tell me why I'm prime lynch suspect now? I'm more so than all your heavily suspected or lightly suspected. Is this all a hunch? Voting without a reason where you have reasons for others is unusual.

I feel like you're not lying about a miller, but way to hold back info. If you are a miller, then you have no reason to hide info. ugh.

[Gregness]

Vote Count

BahamutFlare: 1 (Nikose)

Day will end at some point on late Sunday/early Monday or until a lynch is reached. With 12 left it takes 7 to lynch.

In that case I should probably note that I'm going to be out of town 'till some time Sunday and probably won't be able to post any replies.

[rpgdemon]

Vote Count

BahamutFlare: 1 (Nikose)

Day will end at some point on late Sunday/early Monday or until a lynch is reached. With 12 left it takes 7 to lynch.

I voted Ryandermander, didn't I?

[rpgdemon]

Also, was hoping I'd trap him, but really, he'd have to be a moron to try to pass off as a part of the masonry. That's the reason he didn't say anything about it, I'm guessing. He's not part of it, and he can't say so. A townie would have openly admitted it though.

[BahamutFlare]

I figured RPG would say I wasn't part of the group. I'm not part of the mason group at all. Me answering was not necessary.

[rpgdemon]

I figured RPG would say I wasn't part of the group. I'm not part of the mason group at all. Me answering was not necessary.

Well, you could have easily confirmed though, in case I was too busy to read the thread.

[BahamutFlare]

I'm patient. I really didn't think it necessary. I knew you would've said so.

[rpgdemon]

That's not at all guaranteed, and evidence shows the contrary, actually. Last time, I wanted to be able to say something, but got headed off by the day ending. I'm betting that you were hoping to bank on that, and hoping that they'd not lynch you and it'd stall into an easy to break tie.

[rpgdemon]

In fact:

Unvote: Ryandermander

Vote: BahamutFlare

[Kerensky287]

Now might be a good time to roleclaim, BahamutFlare.

I'm rather curious, admittedly.

[Gregness]

In that case I should probably note that I'm going to be out of town 'till some time Sunday and probably won't be able to post any replies.

Turns out I'm fulla shit since I overslept and missed my bus this morning. Guess that means I'll be here after all...:(

[Kerensky287]

Honestly, I think we should just have everybody roleclaim. We have enough probable-townies that we'll outnumber the mafia, and it's safer to know who the PO is rather than risk me accidentally killing them on a hunch overnight.

Player list w/ roles claimed:

1. Revolving Ocelot
2. rpgdemon, Marshmallow Boy 2, 3-man mason group, town-aligned
3. Kerensky287, Finn, vig, town-aligned <You guys believe me, right?
5. Mr. Bookworm
6. Moogle0119
7. BahamutFlare
8. Aldurin
9. Gregness, Tree Trunks the Lucky Elephant, ???, town-aligned
10. Greed, Choose Goose, power-giver, town-aligned <Confirmed by Lawful
12. Lawful Neutral, Princess Bubblegum, 2xvotes, town-aligned <Confirmed empirically
13. Nikose, Duke of Nuts, miller and suicide override, town-aligned <Confirmed by Inbred's flip
14. Ryanderman

[Aldurin]

Might as well help us focus on the others. I'm the third mason with rpg and Gem, one of the marshmallow watchumacallits.

[rpgdemon]

Despite his worlds crappiest roleclaim, he's telling the truth.

[Nikose Tyris]

I still support a policy lynch on Aldurin, just in case.

[BahamutFlare]

The day pretty much just started RPG.

Snail, 1 shot PO, Town

Investigated Mr. Bookworm as Fight King, Abductor. Wanted to see if Bookworm would implicate anyone before saying so, but that would probably explain his inactivity. And him posting once every day doesn't seem like it's gonna change.

Vote: Bookworm

[Gregness]

Well, may as well take that lead then. Worst case, Book flips town and we have a sure lynch tomorrow.

Vote: Mr. Bookworm