Batman Mafia

[Moogle0119]

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Player List
1. Geminex, Edward Nigma (The Riddler – PO) Arkham Asylum aligned Incarcerated Night 3.
2. Bard the 5th LW, Roman Sionis (Black mask) Arkham Asylum aligned Lynched Day 4.
3. Nikose Tyris, Tim Drake (Robin) Retconned Day 3.
4. Aldurin, Dr. Thomas "Tommy" Elliot (Hush - Miller) Arkham Asylum aligned Lynched Day 3.
5. Hawk, Bane Arkham Asylum aligned Incarcerated Night 1.
6. Mr. Bookworm, Julian Day (Calendar Man) Arkham Asylum aligned Lynched Day 6.
7. Inbred Chocobo, Waylon Jones (Killer Croc) Arkham Asylum aligned Incarcerated Night 6.
8. Gregness, Dr. Harleen Quinzel (Harley Quinn) Arkham Asylum aligned Incarcerated Night 5.
9. Fenris, Professor Jonathan Crane (The Scarecrow - Roleblocker) Arkham Asylum aligned Killed Night 1.
10. greed
11. Ravashak
12. IHateMakingNames, Cyrus Gold (Solomon Grundy - BG) Arkham Asylum aligned Lynched Day 1.
13. BahamutFlare
14. Oron, Pamela Lillian Isley (Poison Ivy) Arkham Asylum aligned Incarcerated Night 7.
15. MariusTwilight, Dr. Victor Fries (Mr. Freeze - Jailer) Arkham Asylum aligned Retconned Day 3.
16. Nique, Bruce Wayne (Batman) Killed Night 2.
17. Karesh, Barbara Gordon (Batgirl) Lynched Day 2.
18. Hawk2 (originally Revolving Ocelot), Jason Todd (Red Hood – Serial Killer) Killed Night 2.
19. P-Sleazy, The Joker Arkham Asylum aligned Incarcerated Night 4.

The inmates are Arkham Asylum were a diverse bunch, each suffering from their own psychological disorders or delusions. Due to these differences, it was rare when any of them got along with another. Today was different though. United by a single cause, they broke out of Arkham Asylum with one goal on their minds: to kill the Batman.

Day 1, 10 to lynch.

[Geminex]

Right. This is simple.

Vote: Kill the batman.

[Revising Ocelot]

Vote: Smarty.

[Nikose Tyris]

Vote: Kerensky287

For bein' a quitter.

[Ravashak]

Vote: Geminex

For stating something too obvious.

[The Artist Formerly Known as Hawk]

Vote: Nikose

For wasting a vote.

[P-Sleazy]

VOTE: Karesh with a Moustache

No mustaches allowed.

[Nikose Tyris]

Vote: Hawk

For bein' a killjoy.

[MariusTwilight]

Vote: P-Sleasy

For too much sparkles.

[Nikose Tyris]

Actually yeah,

Unvote: Hawk

Vote: KareshWithAMoustache

Shave that shit.

[The Artist Formerly Known as Hawk]

Heavy fos @ Nikose for not unvoting Kerensky before voting and then unvoting me before voting for Karesh, thus attempting to confuse the vote count.

[Nikose Tyris]

Hugs and Sparkles on : Hawk

Did I wait long enough for the edit tag to show up, too? Oh, goodie.

[Ravashak]

I think I'm developing a spontaneous allergy to sparkles =þ

[Karrrrrrrrrrrresche]

Actually yeah,

Unvote: Hawk

Vote: KareshWithAMoustache

Shave that shit.

What if I shave my testicles? Will that appease your mad desire for shaved hair?

[Inbred Chocobo]

Alright, I'm going to make the worst post you could ever do in mafia.

Vote: No Lynch

So guys you may want to watch out for the vig that I MIGHT BE WHO KNOWS OMG!!!1

Hey Text that is hard to read.

I don't know guys I think we should all be friends, especially (Insert name of first mafian we lynch).

Also, the GM is a dick and I didn't read Batman as a kid so I don't know whats going on with all these names.

[Revising Ocelot]

So guys you may want to watch out for the vig that I MIGHT BE WHO KNOWS OMG!!!1

So you're Batman? I guess we should vote for you, then.

Judging by the objective, the Bat and allies act as our 'Mafia'. Assuming 5 members, that probably means: Batman, Robin, Nightwing, Batgirl/Oracle, and Alfred, at a guess.

The 'Town' will be all us escaped Batrogues from Arkham. I know I'm one. And it's pretty logical, since the cast of villains far outnumbers the heroes.

[The Artist Formerly Known as Hawk]

Alright, I'm going to make the worst post you could ever do in mafia.

Vote: No Lynch

So guys you may want to watch out for the vig that I MIGHT BE WHO KNOWS OMG!!!1

Hey Text that is hard to read.

I don't know guys I think we should all be friends, especially (Insert name of first mafian we lynch).

Also, the GM is a dick and I didn't read Batman as a kid so I don't know whats going on with all these names.

Oh we're doing those kinds of posts are we? In that case;

Rolecalim: Miller

This cannot possibly go wrong.

*Begin serious posting time*

So you're Batman? I guess we should vote for you, then.

Judging by the objective, the Bat and allies act as our 'Mafia'. Assuming 5 members, that probably means: Batman, Robin, Nightwing, Batgirl/Oracle, and Alfred, at a guess.

The 'Town' will be all us escaped Batrogues from Arkham. I know I'm one. And it's pretty logical, since the cast of villains far outnumbers the heroes.

Thank you for bringing this up, I was a bit thrown at first when I had a villains name but in yellow, though I quickly realised this was probably the case, as it does make far more sense this way round. Op also confirms it too.

So anybody claiming to be the GODDAMN BATMAN should be lynched immediately.

[Moogle0119]

Mr. Freeze had just broken out of Arkham Asylum earlier that day before returning to his secret lab to assemble his cryogenics equipment. As he was doing this, he noticed someone outside who appeared to be KareshWithAMoustache. And although KareshWithAMoustache wasn't doing anything to Mr. Freeze (nor probably even knew he was located in the abandoned warehouse), he would not tolerate anyone interfering with his research. KareshWithAMoustache was then greeted by Mr. Freeze's freeze gun and frozen where he stood. And without a word, Mr. Freeze returned to his work.

Frozen (aka jailed) players cannot act, post, or be targeted by lynches or any night roles until the start of the next day. All votes that were on KareshWithAMoustache are voided for the remainder of the day.

18 active players now, still 10 to lynch. Day 1 continues.

[Bard The 5th LW]

Well we all know who isn't Batman,

e: dayvig then? But we don't know if it was successful!

[MariusTwilight]

So does that mean that the evil guys are now the good guys? I'm fairly certain that's what the Yellow Text means.

[Bard The 5th LW]

Yes that seems to be the implication. The criminals of Arkham are town, and Batman and co. are the informed minority (see: mafia).

[Fenris]

Well we all know who isn't Batman,

e: dayvig then? But we don't know if it was successful!

All we know from that is that Karesh is not Mr. Freeze. Mr. Freeze is a jailer role, in that he removes people from play for a day, after which they are able to play.

Look at Kerensky's role in Fuck You Mafia (kinda) for NPF-based reference.

[The Artist Formerly Known as Hawk]

Ok, so we have a jailer, but it doesn't really do much good, as it doesn't reveal anything about the person jailed. Duno why Karesh was targetted either, could be the jailer just wanted to let it be known that this power existed and was town friendly, or see just how the power worked, in which case fair enough. Basically it's like a weaker version of the fingerbang from Fuck You mafia.

Probably only be useful once we have some clear suspicions to go on to keep scum out of the game for a while whilst we deal with other threats.

[Fenris]

So does that mean that the evil guys are now the good guys? I'm fairly certain that's what the Yellow Text means.

Yellow text can either mean that the character is town-aligned or that the GM doesn't wish to give away alignments. I typically use cyan for that when I GM (to avoid this discussion entirely) but I haven't seen too many other players pick up that habit so I dunno.

Given the multitude of people immediately claiming that they too are Batman villains and town-aligned, then the former is likely.

[Aldurin]

Oh we're doing those kinds of posts are we? In that case;

Rolecalim: Miller

This cannot possibly go wrong.

Please tell me this isn't a serious claim. Because I am actually the miller, Mr. Thomas Elliot McWTF. Apparently I'm a miller because of some shit about looking the same as Bruce Wayne.

Watch as I actually play the Miller role properly in a way that doesn't mess up the town.

Vote: Hawk

I'm assuming his claim is serious until he clarifies either joke post or actually trying to argue that he's the miller.

[Bard The 5th LW]

All we know from that is that Karesh is not Mr. Freeze. Mr. Freeze is a jailer role, in that he removes people from play for a day, after which they are able to play.

Look at Kerensky's role in Fuck You Mafia (kinda) for NPF-based reference.

I was just foolin' 'round we don't know jack shit.

Vote: Aldurin

Because I need to throw a vote somewhere and Hawk was pretty clearly joking.

[Nikose Tyris]

Either that, or ONE of you two IS Batman, and is trying to hide behind the roll of Thomas Elliot, Childhood Friend!

Seems like a smart roleclaim for disguising the 'don', as it were.
FOS: Hawk on that logic; and if that fails-

Possible FOS: Aldurin, not even bolding it yet though.

[Nikose Tyris]

I'm more then willing to be suspicious of them both, because Hawk is WAY too serious [very BATMAN like, if you will~] and Aldurin is Aldurin and costs the town nothing if he vanishes mysteriously.

Actually, shame on Freeze for not Jailing Aldurin. >:C

[The Artist Formerly Known as Hawk]

Aldurin, it was a joke, in response to ICs blatant "Look her's me being blatantly scummy" post. Clearly it went over your head.

[The Artist Formerly Known as Hawk]

Please note how I actually only started being genuinely serious after the part where I SAID I was going to be serious. Everything before that was clearly joke posting and if you can't see that then you're stupid.

[Nikose Tyris]

In that case, Aldurin is most likely the Town Mayor, then, as it fits Hush's [T. Elliot] style.

UNFORTUNATELY, it's ALDURIN and therefore the worst imaginable town role for him to be in. :/

[Revising Ocelot]

...is Nikose just babbling incoherently, or what? Please tell me I'm not alone in completely failing to comprehend what he's trying to get at here.

[Nikose Tyris]

If you had the ability to read words written on the screen, RO, you'd see that I'm busy lining up facts. Like I usually do in mafia. For instance: Aldurin is Thomas Elliot, Semi-Confirmed because he has a shitty role, that in all likelyhood is more than just a miller role.

Thomas Elliot is the Villain "Hush", and effectively WAS Bruce Wayne, in control of things, for the latter half of the House of Hush arc. Hush wants Batman dead as much as everyone else, AND Hush, working with Enigma, were running the show when they arranged their villain teamup.

Moogle's a comic junkie. Read up on "Hush Begins", and you'll find it bears a striking simularity to our game's layout in terms of roles and such. Aldurin's half-hearted roleclaim may have given us a very useful tool in defeating the Batman.

[Nikose Tyris]

Based on Hush Begins, I think we can assume the following Mafia [or "Batman" roles, as it were]:

Bruce Wayne Batman, Tim Drake as Robin, Stephanie Gordon as Batgirl, Dick Grayson as Nightwing, and Alfred as... Alfred, I suppose. Alfred's pretty badass though, so that's not something to take lightly.

Those are the most likely mafia roles. I'm actually enjoying this so far, Moogle's using comic lore and that's sexyfun.

[Revising Ocelot]

No, I'm saying that you deciding to pull that he's Town Mayor out of nowhere is stupid. Why would Hush be able to recruit Batman? Why would -any- of the villains? Just going from my limited knowledge of Arkham City and general skimming of Batstuff, Hush doesn't know that Bruce = Bat, and that would prevent any outright 'recruiting' for an operation to take down the Joker or whatever, since Bruce doesn't do that stuff.

[Revising Ocelot]

How many villains actually know that Bruce = Bat, anyway? I can only think of Hugo Strange, and maybe Ra's/Talia Al Ghul.

[Nikose Tyris]

I don't recall ever saying something so phenomenally stupid as recruiting Batman, RO. Once again, your ability to read is being called into question- alternatively, you're just trying to call me into suspicion, which is just as bad, really.

A Mayor or leadership role would fit Hush perfectly; Again, I direct your attention to the story arc I referenced in said post, only this time, I'll link it so that you only have to click a little string of blue words, instead of having to open a tab and google it:

Just click here. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hush_%28comics%29#Hush_begins)

it's 4 paragraphs and a sentence. I hope that summarizes well enough why my mind immediately suspected Hush to be a MillerMayor role.

[Ravashak]

Wait a sec, Nikose, you're extrapolating the "setting" just from the claim that there's a Thomas Elliot? The proposed mafiates sound good, though I'm not sure that they're restricted to the timeframe you mentioned (note, I have not read the comics).

[Nikose Tyris]

I'm extrapolating off more then just Thomas Elliot; I'm also using knowledge of Moogle being a huge comic nerd. :P He's enough of a buff that he'll want to fit things to a specific arc. Go read the link; it should help.

[Revising Ocelot]

I don't recall ever saying something so phenomenally stupid as recruiting Batman, RO. Once again, your ability to read is being called into question- alternatively, you're just trying to call me into suspicion, which is just as bad, really.


That was an example of your flawed logic, it applies to anyone on your list, Batman being the most egregious example. I already read that paragraph, and those people he recruited didn't know of Bruce, whereas the list you seem to agree with me on has people all aware of Bat's identity. They would literally be impossible to recruit in-universe. And why the hell would a Town of this size need a Mayor, anyway?

[Bard The 5th LW]

Call me ignorant, but Nik, I think you're making some leaps here.

And also a world where Aldurin is mayor twice is not a world I want to live in.

[MariusTwilight]

I've not really been in the other mafia games, so I don't know a whole lot about Aldurin, only what I've heard in pieces.

Is it really that bad to have him as mayor?

[Nikose Tyris]

...Once again, I didn't ever say that anyone knew who batman was, and... I literally cannot decipher your post. I'm just going to call you dumb.

[Nikose Tyris]

[previous post was at RO]

@Bard: I have to make leaps. It's day one, I can only go on whats shown. To summarize what RO seems to be incapable of understanding: Aldurin is a safe zone with his claim. Good Job Aldurin for doing something right, and if you have other powers, be sure to put them to good use.

@Marius: He is equally terrible at Mafia as he is at everything else in life.

[The Artist Formerly Known as Hawk]

I've not really been in the other mafia games, so I don't know a whole lot about Aldurin, only what I've heard in pieces.

Is it really that bad to have him as mayor?

Last time he was a mayor he over-rode the lynch and lynched the bodyguard. We have never let him forget it.

As for Niks reasoning, I'm not sure, I don't know much about Hush other than what he's said and linked so far, nor do I know how much of a comic nerd Moogle might be, so I have no idea what kind of setup we might be dealing with here yet. It certainly sounds plausible enough, though it still is based on Aldurins claim being actually true, which we still can't confirm anyway, so making leaps about what the setting is based on that unconfirmed claim might not be safe.

And really it wouldn't surprise me to find that Al is actually trying to Batman Gambit his way through here, simply by claiming miller and knowing how we'd all take that claim, especially after I made the joke claim.

For now though

Unote: Nikose

Cos I never like leaving joke votes on when I have no real suspicions.

[Aldurin]

I've not really been in the other mafia games, so I don't know a whole lot about Aldurin, only what I've heard in pieces.

Is it really that bad to have him as mayor?

I ran an instalynch on the bodyguard one of the games, and they'll never let me live it down.

Also Nikose needs to stop panicking. If you really want to know the full role, I read as Bruce Wayne when scanned, and Batman can't kill me (something about how Elliot was always one step ahead). I just felt it was important to reveal my role ASAP since you always give crap to people who wait to reveal that they're miller.

[IHateMakingNames]

Vote: Aldurin

Claming Miller is scummy, and yes Nikose did it last time and he actually was a Miller but it's still super scummy.

FoS: Nikose

For going way to far on essentially nothing so early. He wants to show off that he's useful.

[The Artist Formerly Known as Hawk]

Wait, so you're now claiming miller AND unkillable? Did I just read that right? Seeing as Batman is most likely the head of the mafia I really don't see why you would reveal that information like, ever.

FOS; Aldurin

[Nikose Tyris]

Your role still fits with the storyline... whiiiiich to means we can extrapolate other roles in the game!

also: UNVOTE: Whoever I had voted for Because joke votes.

*gets to work on role list*

[Ravashak]

Hawk, not necessarily unkillable. In a previous game hosted by Moogle, I was part of the mafia, and the mafia could choose who to send to perform the kill. There were chars whose "power" was to be unkillable by a certain mafiate.

[Nikose Tyris]

@IHMN: Don't really care! This is how I always do my thing. Call me out on it if you want to, but it's how I typically play after silliness- and we have something of a reasonable lead here. Although feel free to lynch Aldurin- if it confirms him as Hush and his claims, it would mean my other theories about the game being based on this specific arc are very likely.

As for Roles likely to appear, and what might make sense as their role. All are random guesses at this point, but I'm fairly certain these roles are in game.

Joker - [...Not a clue. Probably mason'd with Harley]
Harley Quinn - [...Maybe bodyguard? Probably mason'd with Jokes.]
Two-Face - [...Kill role?]
Poison Ivy - [Investigator?]
Scarecrow - [Investigator?]
Killer Croc - [Kill role?]
Clay Face - [...no clue.]
Catwoman - [...Town Traitor?]
E. Nigma/Riddler - [Investigator?]
Mister Freeze is outside of the list of 'characters in this arc', but we already know he's in the game.

Any claim outside those role names would be suspect at best; anyone who claims these roles would likely get counterclaimed by the actual holder if they are bluffing.

[The Artist Formerly Known as Hawk]

Hawk, not necessarily unkillable. In a previous game hosted by Moogle, I was part of the mafia, and the mafia could choose who to send to perform the kill. There were chars whose "power" was to be unkillable by a certain mafiate.


Yeah I know, there's, 2 ways it works, either only 1 person has the kill until they die, then a second takes over, or they decide who performs the kill each night. Either way, telling everyone you're unkillable at all is a stupid thing to do because now they won't bother wasting a kill on him at all, or at least not with that person.

[Ravashak]

True, but now he's put it in the open, I felt it wouldn't be bad to put it in perspective, considering the mafia should already know if the method I mentioned is to be used this game or not.

[Nique]

Vote: I believe the Detective is posing as a misbegotten fowl. Inbred Chocobo

[Gregness]

Vote: Aldurin

Claming Miller is scummy, and yes Nikose did it last time and he actually was a Miller but it's still super scummy.

FoS: Nikose

For going way to far on essentially nothing so early. He wants to show off that he's useful.

What? That's literally one of two ways to correctly play a miller. (http://mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=Miller)

[Oron]

If Aldurin's claim is true, then I believe that list of yours for the most part, Nikose. But how do you explain Mr. Freeze's presence? Maybe Moogle's mixing arcs together or just using the most popular/active characters.

Guess I'll have to read up on Killer Croc and Clay Face to see if they'd actually fit in that way.

[Nikose Tyris]

I'm pretty sure not including Freeze in a Batman themed game, regardless of plot or story, would be considered blasphemy. ;)

[The Artist Formerly Known as Hawk]

That, and there are 19 of us. That's a lot of characters, regardless of arcs.

[Bard The 5th LW]

I'm not thinking we should really limit what we see to the arcs there associated with.

Anyways, FOS: Nikose because he's acting scummy and making a lot of leaps but really thats his default state of being so Im not sure if its worth bolding.

[MariusTwilight]

So what is the current vote count that's going on?

Also, I don't want to vote anyone, since I can't really decipher any of this at the moment, probably because I'm not used to the insanity that is first day mafia.

[IHateMakingNames]

What? That's literally one of two ways to correctly play a miller. (http://mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=Miller)
You have a wiki to say that this is how you should play Miller, and you have the last mafia game telling you that people won't just lynch the Miller claim. Scummy and I think you should lynch people who claim Miller since it's entirely possibly they are scum trying to get PO immune.

[The Artist Formerly Known as Hawk]

I'm not thinking we should really limit what we see to the arcs there associated with.

Anyways, FOS: Nikose because he's acting scummy and making a lot of leaps but really thats his default state of being so Im not sure if its worth bolding.

Yeah for now nothing is certain at all and I'm taking Nikoses ideas with the slimmest possible pinch of salt myself. But at least we ahve disscussion now and a few things to go on, so I want to hear from other people now on their thoughts on stuff and see where that leads us. And then after night 1 we'll have more info. Day 1 is usually a bust anyway but who knows, maybe we'll get lucky?

[The Artist Formerly Known as Hawk]

You have a wiki to say that this is how you should play Miller, and you have the last mafia game telling you that people won't just lynch the Miller claim. Scummy and I think you should lynch people who claim Miller since it's entirely possibly they are scum trying to get PO immune.

While this is a fair point, it's also slightly WIFOM. There may indeed be a miller who decides to claim straight away, so as not to waste a PO investigation, but then they could also be a scum trying to preted that's what they are. But knowing the risks involved in claiming miller, would a mafia actually bother to claim miller, knowing they would be immediately suspected? But then knowing that we know that... yeah, you get the picture. There's really no way to tell.

What concerns me is not that Al claimed miller, but also Batman Unkillable, which if he was really town nobody would do, because then the mafia would know not to use Batman to kill him, or if they can select their killer each night, to use somebody else. Which makes me think Aldurin is either lieing and didn't think it through, or he's an idiot. Possibly both, again, WIFOM.

I'd be inclined to vote Al at this point based on this, but I'll give it some more time before doing so, becuase we have time yet and I want to hear more arguments first.

[Nikose Tyris]

While not wanting to defend Aldurin in any possible way, I'd just like to clarify that his powers do make sense.

[Revising Ocelot]

Yeah, I don't see why he'd want to reveal he's Batman unkillable since just knowing that leads to knowing they pick a person to perform a kill with, and thus revealing it leaves him very vulnerable. Hell, even if someone like Oracle can't do kills due to being paralysed (speaking of which, she'd definitely fit a Mafia investigator role), there'll be at the very least Robin, and probably Nightwing who can do kills.

On the plus side, it could mean we've got a Roleblocker on our team who can block the particular member doing a kill, like in Adventure Time mafia. Not sure who'd fit that role though - Scarecrow, maybe?

[Gregness]

You have a wiki to say that this is how you should play Miller, and you have the last mafia game telling you that people won't just lynch the Miller claim. Scummy and I think you should lynch people who claim Miller since it's entirely possibly they are scum trying to get PO immune.

If we end up with literally nothing else to go on then I might get on board with lynching the supposed miller, but if all we've got is his roleclaim I'd rather pursue any other leads we can get.

[Aldurin]

To clarify on the second detail on my role. I was told that I'm immune to Batman, basically. If the vig or a possible SK (assuming he isn't Batman) tries to kill me I fully expect it to work.

It was kinda derp of me not to clarify and reveal that part in my first post, so you can blame minor idiocy on that. What worries me is that I'm the only major subject of conversation, which won't get town very far if they lynch me and run out of leads.

[Geminex]

Okay, a couple of things.

First, RO: Just a quick FYI, but the mayor role is not usually a recruiting role. The mayor can normally override a lynch. What bookie did with the mayor in Hatland was an exception.

So Nik isn't proposing that earl might be a recruiter. What he is proposing is that earl, in addition to being a self-proclaimed miller, might have the ability to override a lynch. Which seems a weird assumption, but not as weird as what you think is happening.

Anyway. STUFF.

I'm not sure what Nikose is up to at the moment. For all his super-duper-batman-smartness, it doesn't necessarily seem productive to put this shit out in the open. Like, the setting stuff is really interesting and good. But posting the role list you come up with, and trying to connect roles to powers? Bad. If earl was town and was a mayor, then your suggestion that that might be the case would've gone towards publicly revealing a power role early in the game. Bad. And the role list would've done you more good if it was secret, cause you could've waited for scum to claim a role not on that list, and then gone all 'gotcha!'.

Like, I don't think Nikose is scum, but his brilliant deductions might be helping scum as well. So maybe keep some of them a bit more secret?

Anyway, earl! If the batman-immune thing is true, you should not not not have revealed that. Even if under pressure from Nikose. As it is, I disagree with IHMN's vote, for now, though. An early miller claim is a good miller claim. And Nikose' claim last game was well-recieved, yes. But that wasn't based solely on his claim. It was based on the fact that he had a good flavor claim to go along with his roleclaim, and the fact that his behavior, in general, was pretty beneficial to town.

So it's kinda silly to assume that, based on a situation in the previous game, a miller roleclaim is a scumtell. For one, claiming the way earl did is p. much ideal. If there is a town miller, that is what they would do. And even if scum thought miller claims were safe from lynching (which, again, I really don't think they are), there are 20 players in this game. Probably around 15 town? Chances are pretty good that at least one of them is a miller. A miller who would have no qualms with counterclaiming a scum miller claim. And it's not like earl waited for everyone to post before making his claim. If earl is scum, then he was taking a definite, major risk in claiming a role that had a good chance of existing, and whose owner would definitely counterclaim.

Gah, I need to think about this again, but IHMN's apparent assumption that miller-claiming is a scumtell is really weird. Not sure about earl's claim, but we'll see. got stuff to do right now.

[BahamutFlare]

Ok. Sorry if I get some minor details wrong. I just read the thread pretty quickly.

Well IHMN said he would've forced all of us to vote for miller role claims at the end of last game. Well at least in the last case it was Nikose. My guess is that IHMN is doing the exact same thing with this game. And I'm also guessing he just doesn't trust millers. Which makes sense. In this kind of game, there may be more than 1 miller too.

I really dislike joke role claims Hawk. FOS

I got nothing to really give a vote as of yet, so I'll hold back for a while.

[IHateMakingNames]

I think claiming Miller is scummy. If you are scum it's a way to make yourself PO immune. Maybe he is a Miller, but regardless I think it's a good lynch. My vote is remaining unless some one does something really scummy or everyone decides to vote Nikose.

Edit - The way Nikose Miller claimed was way worse in the previous game. Aldurin's isn't so bad.

[Aldurin]

Greed and Bookworm still need to post. A death sentence for your thoughts, men?

[Moogle0119]

Current vote count...

Aldurin (2)
Bard the 5th LW
IHateMakingNames

Geminex (1)
Ravashak

Hawk (1)
Aldurin

P-Sleazy (1)
MariusTwilight

Inbred Chocobo (1)
Nique

No Lynch (1)
Inbred Chocobo

Still 10 to lynch. No deadline YET....

[Nikose Tyris]

...the primary reason why I believe Aldurin's roleclaim, is that he picked a relatively obscure Batman Character and his power is more or less believable.

[The Artist Formerly Known as Hawk]

See I'd have though roleclaiming an obscure character would be more suspicious myself, less chance of somebody counter claiming then. That and he revealed a part to his role that he really shouldn't have if he was really town, which is either a stupid slip up or an attempt to make his claim sound more like the obscure character he claimed in order to make it sound more credible.

There's also the fact that, last 2 times I was mafia we all wanted to leave Aldurin in the game because we knew he was no threat and/or he'd do something that would probably screw over the town, so on that basis, the fact he claimed miller which is always dodgy anyway, the obscure character claim and the slip about his extra power I'm going to

Vote: Aldurin

[Aldurin]

Go ahead, waste a lynch without generating extra leads.

[P-Sleazy]

What? I'm not dead yet? You all lied to me in the sign-up thread!

[Ravashak]

Go ahead, waste a lynch without generating extra leads.ugh, if there's one thing I distrust, it's these sort of posts. It just feels far too much like a mafiate desperately trying to bluff his way out of a lynch, while at this point, there was still a pretty low chance of being lynched. Deadline hasn't even been set yet.

Unvote: Geminex
Vote: Aldurin

And Sleazy, I'd FoS everyone that lied to you! =)

[Nikose Tyris]

Hawk, the only downside in those thoughts, (because they're very logical), is... well, you're affording a lot of thought to Aldurin, and knowledge of the Batman world. Hush isn't the most well-known villain; most people would have no idea who he was without doing some decent wiki-digging, and to randomly pick him from a pile would be almost unheard of, considering the vast size of Batman's rogue gallery.

...although, then again, I suppose he could have claimed anyone else and made me think the same way.

...Ya know what? Vote: Aldurin if he turns up as being the character he claims, it will confirm a ton of things for me mentally. I'm willing to wager there's a lot of custom powers.

[Aldurin]

Fuck you too, Nikose.

[Fenris]

Fuck you too, Nikose.

This wasn't really necessary.

[Nikose Tyris]

In fairness, I was his staunchest and only supporter. I can see him getting angry about that.

[Gregness]

Fuck you too, Nikose.

This wasn't really necessary.

Yeah, I wasn't really on board with this before but this sort of outburst is super suspicious.

Vote: Aldurin

[Geminex]

Whoa whoa whoa. What are we even doing here. Cause it looks to me like we're lyching a dude based on a perfectly plausible roleclaim. Earl claimed miller. He might be miller. He might be scum too, sure. I'm not saying he's definitely town. But how the hell does claiming miller make him suspicious? It COULD BE a clever ruse by scum. Yes. But it's just as likely, if not more so, that it's genuine. It could easily be either. And in that light, I find it really hard to understand why it makes for proper voting justification. Hell, you had Hawk with a fakeclaim that almost seemed serious, you have IHMN mandating a frankly horrible tactic. Both of those I could have gotten behind, because fakeclaims confuse people and mandating lyches on everyone who claims miller is not only silly, it also results in town wasting at least one lynch. Both of those are scumtells, albeit minor (giving IHMN the benefit of the doubt here, but reluctantly). So why're the votes piling on earl?

[Nikose Tyris]

Well, he could have hit the random button the batman wiki and taken the first Villain he hadn't heard of, I think is what Hawk's point is.

I actually semi-trust Aldurin's claim, but it's mafia, and I am probably stupid for trusting people.

Also, if his lynch turns out to be Hush, I can feel a bit more confident in my assertions, and can start figuring out what likely power roles are here.

[Nikose Tyris]

However, UNVOTE: ALDURIN

Because you're right, Gem. I believe he's telling the truth here, and sacrifice for theory isn't the brightest thing I could do here.

[Nikose Tyris]

[OTOH if he turns up mafia I'm going to point my sniffer at you, Gems. <3]

[Gregness]

Whoa whoa whoa. What are we even doing here. Cause it looks to me like we're lyching a dude based on a perfectly plausible roleclaim. Earl claimed miller. He might be miller. He might be scum too, sure. I'm not saying he's definitely town. But how the hell does claiming miller make him suspicious? It COULD BE a clever ruse by scum. Yes. But it's just as likely, if not more so, that it's genuine. It could easily be either. And in that light, I find it really hard to understand why it makes for proper voting justification. Hell, you had Hawk with a fakeclaim that almost seemed serious, you have IHMN mandating a frankly horrible tactic. Both of those I could have gotten behind, because fakeclaims confuse people and mandating lyches on everyone who claims miller is not only silly, it also results in town wasting at least one lynch. Both of those are scumtells, albeit minor (giving IHMN the benefit of the doubt here, but reluctantly). So why're the votes piling on earl?

The miller claim I don't mind. The emotional outburst from a tiny bit of pressure? That's much more telling.

[Aldurin]

I get slightly dramatic when it starts to slow down, mixed with sarcasm that can make my non-serious comments really hard to read. Sorry about that.

If you go ahead with this lynch, you'll come to day 2 with a nominal amount of info to work with and more people dead. If you really want me lynched that bad, at least have the courtesy to look at other people and try to find possible leads.

[Nique]

It seems like a bad idea to lynch a roleclaim in normal mafia unless there's a really compelling reason (like if you catch them in a lie or something) but then I remembered that we're all playing an unknown villain with an unknown ability and could basically make up whatever we wanted.

Also sometimes people take Mafia too seriously.

I get slightly dramatic when it starts to slow down, mixed with sarcasm that can make my non-serious comments really hard to read. Sorry about that.

For what it's worth, I figured you were funnin'. Maybe we should roleplay our outbursts so we all know it's an in-game thing?

[BahamutFlare]

The weirdest thing for me is Aldurin started getting nervous way too early. 3 votes on him then a bit of a breakdown. In order to lynch, he needed a LOT more. And just a couple serious votes sent him over the edge? He's acting more like he's been caught rather then trying to defend himself. And then the f you to Nikose.

Fenris has been fairly low content. Not trying to pry info out of anyone. Not giving info. He's kinda the bad kind of quiet IMO.

Vote: P-Sleazy

Because he's complaining about not being dead.

Unvote: P-Sleazy
Vote: Aldurin
I just feel like you're trying to justify flipping out. But you acted like you were caught.

[Gregness]

I get slightly dramatic when it starts to slow down, mixed with sarcasm that can make my non-serious comments really hard to read. Sorry about that.
*snip*

fLrpBLDWyCI

Unvote: Aldurin

This is just so we don't have any surprise lynchings. If the deadline comes up and we don't have a better lead I'll put my vote right back on.

[Oron]

The weirdest thing for me is Aldurin started getting nervous way too early. 3 votes on him then a bit of a breakdown. In order to lynch, he needed a LOT more. And just a couple serious votes sent him over the edge? He's acting more like he's been caught rather then trying to defend himself. And then the f you to Nikose.
Vote: Aldurin
I just feel like you're trying to justify flipping out. But you acted like you were caught.

Looked more to me like he was being facetious, and he even stated so (which I'm inclined to believe so early in the game). It's day one, so there's hardly any real pressure and I think we can trust Earl to be smarter than that after having played a few games of Mafia.

Are you sure you're not trying to start an early bandwagon after a couple people have voted (and now unvoted)?

[Geminex]

I suddenly realize that I just tied my credibility to earl.

Why can't I keep my big mouth shut.

In all seriousness, though, I am glad that people are holdin' off. Admittedly when I made my post, I hadn't really considered Nik's argument that killing earl could deliver some working knowlege of the game's setup, which would be pretty neat. Neither had I considered his "fuck you guys" as anything other than a joke, because that's kinda the way he rolllls. I think.

I mean, I still think we have better leads. Like IHM-"let's blanket-lynch anyone who makes a particular roleclaim, even when there's a good chance we'll waste at least one lynch that way because hey they might be scum"-N. I mean, aside from the dude's overly long middle name, it just seems weird that he'd propose to lynch earl on such minimal evidence. It is day 1, but earl's claim was more of towntell than a scumtell in any case. He's a strong player, and I guess I'm sorta still giving him the benefit of the doubt?

But the fact that he's a usually strong player makes that particular screwup all the weirder. It doesn't make sense.

What would make sense would be a scum-aligned IHMN trying to use his reputation for getting stuff right to push an early lynch on earl.

So, because my flight leaves at 9 AM tomorrow, and I'm probably not gonna get online again for 24 hours, I'm gonna VOTE: IHMN

I am not at all sure about this, but, for now, it's the best lead I can think of.

[MariusTwilight]

Sorry about my own low post count in this game. Several things have come up in my life but I'm doing what I can to read over the posts and try to get some information from it. I'm also lacking in the in-depth experience in other games that alot of people here seem to have, so I'll have to make most of my conclusions based only what I've seen in this game.

I'm a little suspicious of Aldurin, mainly because of how rare the person he roleclaimed is, as I thought when I was signing up that we would have mainly well-known figures so no one had to go digging to find out who they were. But that isn't enough to lynch someone in my eyes.

UNVOTE: Whoever since that was the pick a name and roll with it vote. I'll wait and see if there comes up better evidence to vote for a lynch.

[Fenris]

Fenris has been fairly low content. Not trying to pry info out of anyone. Not giving info. He's kinda the bad kind of quiet IMO.


This is how I play the game Day 1. I have stated this time and time again. I have few opinions to offer as just about every move so far has equal probability of coming from either:

1) A townie playing the game right.
2) A mafiate playing the game right.

-OR-

1) A townie playing the game wrong.
2) A mafiate playing the game wrong.

As such, I have nothing to base any opinions off of so I will keep my non-opinions to myself thankyouverymuch.

[Nikose Tyris]

Publically voicing opinions: Suspicious
Keeping opinions to yourself: Suspicious

Not Playing Mafia: Super Suspicious

Guys I think we should lynch Kerensky

[Inbred Chocobo]

I'm going to be honest guys. I have a sinus infection that is been messing with me the past couple days, making it really hard for me to even think straight or concentrate long enough to focus on this game.

I am leaning towards believing Aldurin for now, but not entirely convinced. Hey watch this, I'm going to be hypocritical. From how I have seen Aldurin play, he has always been the kind of person that freaks out, or always seem heavily into whatever he is going on about. He must feel strongely, ABOUT EVERYTHING. So whether his little freakout is a tell of Aldurin being Aldurin is hard to say.

and fuck it I'll look at the rest of the thread later.

[greed]

I kinda forgot this was running, so uh yeah sorry for the inactivity.

[Moogle0119]

Looks like conversation is dying down....

Very well then. Deadline in 48 hours.

[Nique]

I'm going to be honest guys. I have a sinus infection that is been messing with me the past couple days, making it really hard for me to even think straight or concentrate long enough to focus on this game.

I am leaning towards believing Aldurin for now, but not entirely convinced. Hey watch this, I'm going to be hypocritical. From how I have seen Aldurin play, he has always been the kind of person that freaks out, or always seem heavily into whatever he is going on about. He must feel strongely, ABOUT EVERYTHING. So whether his little freakout is a tell of Aldurin being Aldurin is hard to say.

and fuck it I'll look at the rest of the thread later.

Sorry you're not feeling well. I have been throwing up all morning myself :/

Worst case I think Aldurin is just trying to make the game interesting. Identifying Batman is going to be pretty hard because it's like 'OK how much is the theme of this Mafia game affecting how people are playing?'

[BahamutFlare]

Looked more to me like he was being facetious, and he even stated so (which I'm inclined to believe so early in the game). It's day one, so there's hardly any real pressure and I think we can trust Earl to be smarter than that after having played a few games of Mafia.

Are you sure you're not trying to start an early bandwagon after a couple people have voted (and now unvoted)?

No. I'm the 6th person to vote for him (I might have miscounted the unvotes)? It's not a couple of people before me. I'm squarely in the middle range of the pack I think.

Fenris: Fair enough.

[P-Sleazy]

RAGE! (no, not really)

LIARS! (Personal perspective is that everyone whose not me is a liar).

VOTE: FENRIS!

Also, because I like his theory too much. Usually when I like something, its because its evil. And therefore, this smells of evil. (Yes, when I play videogames, I go out of my way to kill the people who are there to help you).

[Fenris]

I have a theory?

[Nikose Tyris]

I think what he's saying is that he likes you. Probably sexually.

you are my OTP.

[P-Sleazy]

WHAT? you're not jealous Nikose? Does that mean you're open to a three way? (its not gay if its in a three way)

[Fenris]

Answer my question!

[Nikose Tyris]

WHAT? you're not jealous Nikose? Does that mean you're open to a three way? (its not gay if its in a three way)

I've had you both and moved on. Share and share alike, go nuts, gentlemen. <3

[Nikose Tyris]

Will be on the road away from keyboard pretty much all day starting at noonish-7 PMish, EST; if you want spontaneously murder me instead of Aldurin, that'll be your timeframe to keep me from defending myself.

[Inbred Chocobo]

Will be on the road away from keyboard pretty much all day starting at noonish-7 PMish, EST; if you want spontaneously murder me instead of Aldurin, that'll be your timeframe to keep me from defending myself.

Alright

Vote: Nikose

Eh, mostly gut feeling and the like from reading this thread. I can't pin down exactly what I don't like, I just know I don't like it.

[IHateMakingNames]

I'm still for Aldurin but I guess that isn't well recieved. I'm keeping my vote on him but if everyone wants to vote Nikose them that is my second choice.

[Bard The 5th LW]

Computer crashed. Offline for now

[Nikose Tyris]

Things that constitute a kind of dick move: voting for me when I'm afk.

[Aldurin]

Things that constitute a kind of dick move: voting for me when I'm afk.

We're just acknowledging the suspect's choice to remain silent.

Vote: IHMN

I'm starting to feel that this concept of immediately lynching the miller is pretty bad, especially since scum will know that this a town lynch that they can get town behind, allowing for an easy kill where it's even harder to pin people for pushing a lynch too hard. I know IHMN is a power player, and pushing the miller lynch this hard without too much effort on trying to gain tells from other people feels more like a scum power play instead of a town power play. And now the recent post feels like he's placing an escape door, in case the end result isn't what he wants and he needs to back out of his dedication to lynching the miller.

[Nikose Tyris]

IHMN is, quite honestly, on my hotlist too, but I was going to wait to see exactly how scummy he was acting, and if there was any signs of our Jailor [Freeze] getting any investigative powers out of his shit. [Probably not, but, it's not an unreasonable thing.]

I'm not going to go back to voting for Aldurin, yeeet. I honestly like his claim, he's playing his role correctly, and honestly? His claim woooould seem to fit.

I'm going to hold my vote back for now... but IHMN is on my hotseat.

[P-Sleazy]

Answer my question!

Umm....the theory about playing the game right and wrong when you're town or mafia. You can only be doing one of those 4 things.

[Nique]

The problem with identifying the members of Batman Inc. is that no one wants to be taken out of the game, especially if they are useful. So the protest I am seeing from nikose and aldurin SEEMS scummy, but could also be taken as normal reaction from a townie (inmate) who wants to stay in the game.

Unvote: Inbred Chocobo, Vote: IHMN for voting for a likely Miller, but I remain suspicious of Aldurin and Nikose.

[Gregness]

Alright

Vote: Nikose

Eh, mostly gut feeling and the like from reading this thread. I can't pin down exactly what I don't like, I just know I don't like it.

FoS: Inbred Chocobo

Okay, either this is a joke vote in which case it's kinda suspicious due to the relatively serious tone of the discussion we've been having recently (for day 1 anyway), or this is a serious vote where you're specifically taking advantage of Nik not being able to respond.

Either way's kinda fishy.

[Fenris]

Umm....the theory about playing the game right and wrong when you're town or mafia. You can only be doing one of those 4 things.

You could also be cult or self-aligned!

[Aldurin]

Roughly 11 hours left if Moogle sticks to his promises.

Current Votecount

Me (5):
IHMN
Bard
Hawk
Ravashak
BahumutFlare

IHMN (3):
Me
Nique
Geminex

Nikose (1):
Inbred Chocobo

Fenris (1):
P-sleazy

Smarty (1):
Revolving Ocelot

10 votes needed for majority.

You guys need to consider what's going on with IHMN. Lynching a miller is a bad idea with how little information we have, especially since we haven't pursued it more heavily. I would have expected IHMN to be all over trying to identify every scumtell possible and build up a list, as shown from how strongly he plays in past games (fuck, vanilla that was pic restricted and holding everyone hostage with an instalynch is totally powerplaying), but instead he's maintained his vote and direction on me, expressing an interest in possibly changing his vote if more people start voting for someone else (i.e. if it became a bad idea to keep the vote on me). I will give you the perspective of how factions are likely responding to my claim.

Town: It's a grey area, where a PO won't do any good to help figure this out. Best thing you can do is keep a close eye on him and lynch him if you can't find any better leads.

Mafia: A great opportunity to start a lynch that townies will give little resistance to. When the miller flips town, all involved scum can hide among the crowd of "Well, at least we now know he isn't scum." without drawing too much attention to themselves.

Self-aligned/Cult:
Unsure

I see that IHMN is taking the mafia reaction, while trying to use town justifications which aren't really being followed through on. You guys have possibly on Nikose, and after that only a few joke voters to give you anything to work with.

Keep in mind that control of information helps town, whether through pursuit or easily clarifying statements, facts and votecounts. Not much is happening on that, especially from IHMN who would seem like one of the most likely to milk information out of us like a farmer on meth.

Trust me on this.

[Ravashak]

First off, there's no cult, Moogle said so in the sign-up thread. Second, you make far too much sense in this post, Aldurin, and I'm willing to follow through on this train of thought of yours.

Unvote: Aldurin
Vote: IHMN

To explain myself a bit here, I was willing to give Aldurin the benefit of the doubt when he initially claimed, though not to the point Nikose was, by instantly defining a story arc through a single roleclaim (for all we know, the game could be based on the games (which I didn't play either)). The, for lack of a better word, rage by Aldurin didn't feel justified to me, though, and it caused enough of a suspicion at that time to vote (as I explained before).
The latest post is a total turnaround, and for day 1, it's enough fo me to follow, agreeing with the points raised.

ps. There's no SMB in this game
pps. IC, wtfbbq? Waiting until someone announces they won't be there for a while to vote on them?

[Oron]

Maybe IC's a Jester role? His posts also read differently.

[Inbred Chocobo]

Seriously, I still cannot spot exactly what is bothering me about Nikose's posting, but something is really striking a bad nerve with me there. I can't say what it is exactly, whether its posting habits, tone of them, or whatever, but its pointing to Nikose being scum, so my vote is there. Its not much to go on for sure, but I'm sticking with it.

Aldurin is going to come up miller, IHMN I think is town, he isn't striking me as odd in any way shape or form, but Nikose, something is screaming at me its him.

[Nikose Tyris]

Seriously, I still cannot spot exactly what is bothering me about Nikose's posting, but something is really striking a bad nerve with me there. I can't say what it is exactly, whether its posting habits, tone of them, or whatever, but its pointing to Nikose being scum, so my vote is there. Its not much to go on for sure, but I'm sticking with it.

Aldurin is going to come up miller, IHMN I think is town, he isn't striking me as odd in any way shape or form, but Nikose, something is screaming at me its him.

You said the same thing last game, IC.

[Inbred Chocobo]

And I am saying it again this game, whats your point?

[Nikose Tyris]

Well, last time you said it, you were a mafiate, and I was town.

I'm just saying, patterns, man.

[Moogle0119]

Deadline in just shy of 2 hours from now and we have a tie for who's in the lead for the most votes. Regardless, Night 1 will begin after the deadline.

P.S. Everyone, start putting your votes on separate lines and also be sure you're unvoting before switching your vote to someone else.

[Fenris]

Vote: IHMN

I'd rather not have Day 1 end in a draw - that's essentially a No Lynch. Of the two candidates, IHMN seems scummier to me.

[Fenris]

For basically the reasons Earl pointed out. I need to like, lay down or something.

I'm not sure I can handle being in accordance with Earl.

[Revising Ocelot]

Well, as I stated earlier I found IHMN's pouncing on Aldurin too suspicious for my liking, so:

Unvote: Smarty
Vote: IHateMakingNames

That by no means gives Aldurin a free pass after his apparent anger earlier. I've witnessed scum trying to kill each other to make one member look innocent before now.

The low activity dudes are also bugging me. Karesh, greed, and Bookworm in particular.

[Fenris]

Karesh has been jailed.

[Revising Ocelot]

...and that'll teach me to reread the thread properly.

[Moogle0119]

Final vote count.

IHateMakingNames (6)
Aldurin
Nique
Geminex
Ravashak
Fenris
Revolving Ocelot

Aldurin (4)
Bard the 5th LW
IHateMakingNames
Hawk
BahamutFlare

Fenris (1)
P-Sleazy

Nikose Tyris (1)
Inbred Chocobo

And so the inmates of Arkham Asylum banded together to go after their first victim, IHateMakingNames. At first none of them could find him anywhere, but soon they spotted him near the outskirts of Gotham City in Slaughter Swamp. Even though he was just standing next to the swamp's edge, as idle as a statue, the inmates began attacking him. IHateMakingNames fought back while saying the same phrase over and over again.

"Solomon Grundy, born on a Monday!"

Alas it was of no use. Even though the hulking zombie had incredible strength, he was overwhelmed by their numbers and soon IHateMakingNames, Cyrus Gold (Solomon Grundy - BG) Arkham Asylum aligned laid before them. Sadly enough, today was indeed a Saturday. And that was the end of Solomon Grundy.

It is now Night 1. 48 hours for all night roles to be submitted before Day 2 begins (or less depending on how fast I receive the night roles).

[Moogle0119]

Batman was out on patrol with the rest of his allies. It didn't take them long to find one of their deadliest foes, especially since he was out looking for Batman himself.

"Good evening Mr. Wayne. Care for a rematch?" Hawk said and charged at Batman without waiting for an answer.

Batman was quick to engage the hulking behemoth who was noticeably on an even higher dosage of Venom than their previous encounters. The rest of Batman's allies began to help out, but Batman interjected.

"I can handle this. Go and get the others." They nodded and left the area scattering in different directions.

The fight continued on for what felt like hours. Even with Batman's peak physical condition, he was beginning to tire against Hawk who had the Venom to keep his body going. Finally, Batman slipped up and caught an unexpected blow to the side of the head. Hawk saw his chance and lifted the disoriented Batman above his head in both hands with every intention of bringing his back down onto his knee.

"Once again, I shall break you!" Hawk shouted.

Batman was quick though and he was not as disoriented as Hawk thought. As he was held above Hawk, he flicked his wrist to procure one of his hidden batarangs. Quickly, he used the batarang to stab into the device on Hawk's hand that was controlling how much Venom was being fed into him. Now that the device was broken, Hawk's body began to convulse and throb as more and more Venom was being fed into his body. Hawk fell to the ground as Batman finally cut the cable that directly fed into the back of Hawk's head. With the Venom flowing out of the cables, Hawk's body shrunk back to normal size as he passed out from the pain.

"No Bane, you will never break me again. You're going back to Arkham." Batman said as he tied up Hawk, Bane Arkham Asylum aligned and began to head off in the direction of Arkham Asylum.



On the other side of town, Fenris had just finished with his latest "patient" on the ground curled up and crying uncontrollably. As Fenris left the building, he mockingly sang,

"Hush little baby, don't say a word, mama's going to buy you a mockingbird.
And if that mockingbird don't sing, mama's going to buy you a diamond r..."

He was interrupted by a sudden pain in his abdomen. He looked down to see the pain was coming from the ornate dagger that was now in him. Fenris dropped to his knees as he saw a new figure jump down from a nearby rooftop. He didn't recognize the person, but he did notice the man's red helmet as well as the crowbar he was carrying with him.

"I'm only going to ask you once. Where is he?" said the mysterious assailant as he approached Fenris.

"....w....who...?" Fenris muttered as he was bleeding out.

"Wrong answer!" said the man as he noticed Fenris was looking up worriedly at the crowbar he held at his side. "Oh don't worry, I won't use this on you. I'm saving it for the one I'm looking for. You're just another piece of the criminal trash in this city that I intend to take care of permanently. Something Batman could never do.". And with that the man pulled out a gun and without hesitation shot Fenris, Professor Jonathan Crane (The Scarecrow - Roleblocker) Arkham Asylum aligned dead and quickly moved off into the night.



As the next day began KareshWithAMoustache was entirely unfrozen.



Day 2 begins. With 16 players left that leaves 9 needed to lynch. No deadline yet.

[Ravashak]

So... double mafia I guess?

Anyone with more knowledge about the Batman setting have any idea who the guy with the red helmet could be?

[The Artist Formerly Known as Hawk]

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_oqAdLdNJlbw/TTePVnGcvzI/AAAAAAAAABM/j3O6rN1wmfE/s1600/Dark%2BKnight%2BRises%2BBane.jpg

One day I might make it to day 2 again.

[Nikose Tyris]

...Red Hood is the Serial Killer. Huh. I didn't see that coming.

[Revising Ocelot]

Well, I was right about Scarecrow being the roleblocker. I guess Fenris didn't hit anyone significant last night, considering the Batman and Red Hood kill.

Speaking of Red Hood, he's undoubtedly a serial killer. Very unlikely to be a double Mafia - who would be a double, anyway? The Falcone family?

[Fenris]

Red Hood you're a dick

[P-Sleazy]

what? no pranks? I was expecting Joker to have some kind of mention of something he did last night, even if it was nothing. Dude creates mayhem!

[Bard The 5th LW]

I had Joker pegged for the SK honestly.

[Karrrrrrrrrrrresche]

Oh, am I allowed to do shit today? Is that how it works Mr. Freeze?
Are you sure you wouldn't rather just do it again for no reason so that I have absolutely nothing to do this game?
No? I'm good to post for now?
Okay.




The low activity dudes are also bugging me. Karesh, greed, and Bookworm in particular.

I was FROZEN.
ON ICE.
I TOOK AN IMPROMPTU TRIP TO A SUNNY RESORT KNOWN AS THE ANT-MOTHAFUCKIN-TARCTIC.


Okay so anyway you are all essentially speaking suspicious as hell. Especially every single one of you that voted for IHMN.
IHMN is always good, dammit!

[Ravashak]

Just like Fenris is always mafia, except for, you know, this time?

[BahamutFlare]

At the moment, Aldurin is still suspicious. He was saved pretty close to the deadline by RO and Fenris. Fenris being a townie, so RO could be a townie too.

IC is continuing his trend of 'What's the scummiest thing I can do?' apparently and it's really starting to rub me the wrong way. I'd like some vote justification that isn't feelings because there then if you're right, you get credit for starting the lynch. If you're wrong, then you can fall back on 'It was just a feeling. Nothing big.'

FoS: RO
FoS: IC

[Bard The 5th LW]

Just like Fenris is always mafia, except for, you know, this time?

Well I've always been mafia. If we're voting off precedent then I'd be target #1.

[Inbred Chocobo]

I'm just saying that for some reason, one I still cannot pinpoint after reading this thread, Nikose is striking me scummy. I think it is something subtle, like posting habits or scheduling or just how he is composing himself, but I don't like it one bit. This isn't like last game either, where he did something retarded and did the worst claim ever, this is something lot deeper than that.

Vote: Nikose

Yeah, you can't really argue it, but it isn't a whole lot to go on in the first place. I just believe Nikose is scum here, and that is where I am going with this.

[Karrrrrrrrrrrresche]

I'm just saying that for some reason, one I still cannot pinpoint after reading this thread, Nikose is striking me scummy. I think it is something subtle, like posting habits or scheduling or just how he is composing himself, but I don't like it one bit. This isn't like last game either, where he did something retarded and did the worst claim ever, this is something lot deeper than that.

Vote: Nikose

Yeah, you can't really argue it, but it isn't a whole lot to go on in the first place. I just believe Nikose is scum here, and that is where I am going with this.

Now I did skip a game and my memory is a bit faulty to begin with, but wouldn't this be the third game in a row you've said that?

I'm not arguing for or against the validity of the statement just yet. It just seems really weird that you keep having an issue understanding why you think someone is scum.

[Revising Ocelot]

I was FROZEN.
ON ICE.
I TOOK AN IMPROMPTU TRIP TO A SUNNY RESORT KNOWN AS THE ANT-MOTHAFUCKIN-TARCTIC.

You did the same thing as me by not reading my other post where I acknowledged I had... not read a post.

[Inbred Chocobo]

Because I have trouble with words sometimes. I can't pinpoint one specific thing on people, its just I read their posts and they strike me as odd. Here, maybe this will work better if I just go with what strikes me odd about each and every post of Nikose rather than summing up what bothers me with everything.

Vote: Kerensky287

For bein' a quitter.
Joke post, whatever.
Vote: Hawk

For bein' a killjoy.
Another joke post. Seems to be active.

Actually yeah,

Unvote: Hawk

Vote: KareshWithAMoustache

Shave that shit.
Third joke post. Okay so he may have nothing to do, or as special attachment to this game.

Hugs and Sparkles on : Hawk

Did I wait long enough for the edit tag to show up, too? Oh, goodie.
More joke posts. Man, he really doesn't have much to do does he.

Either that, or ONE of you two IS Batman, and is trying to hide behind the roll of Thomas Elliot, Childhood Friend!

Seems like a smart roleclaim for disguising the 'don', as it were.
FOS: Hawk on that logic; and if that fails-

Possible FOS: Aldurin, not even bolding it yet though.
Is it me, or does it strike as odd that Nikose has already figured out Batman is a threat this quickly. I honestly believed at this point that Batman was going to be like a Serial Killer role or something.

I'm more then willing to be suspicious of them both, because Hawk is WAY too serious [very BATMAN like, if you will~] and Aldurin is Aldurin and costs the town nothing if he vanishes mysteriously.

Actually, shame on Freeze for not Jailing Aldurin. >:C
And his double post right after it is feeling like he is going after hawk with a hardon. Seriously, pushy, acting with knowledge, all seems a bit off.

In that case, Aldurin is most likely the Town Mayor, then, as it fits Hush's [T. Elliot] style.

UNFORTUNATELY, it's ALDURIN and therefore the worst imaginable town role for him to be in. :/
I like how both Aldurin and Nikose couldn't realize Hawk's blatant joke claim in response of my own until Hawk came out and said it either. That and Nikose suddenly knows what Aldurin is solely because he read the thread wrong and his first conclusion was wrong?

If you had the ability to read words written on the screen, RO, you'd see that I'm busy lining up facts. Like I usually do in mafia. For instance: Aldurin is Thomas Elliot, Semi-Confirmed because he has a shitty role, that in all likelyhood is more than just a miller role.

Thomas Elliot is the Villain "Hush", and effectively WAS Bruce Wayne, in control of things, for the latter half of the House of Hush arc. Hush wants Batman dead as much as everyone else, AND Hush, working with Enigma, were running the show when they arranged their villain teamup.

Moogle's a comic junkie. Read up on "Hush Begins", and you'll find it bears a striking simularity to our game's layout in terms of roles and such. Aldurin's half-hearted roleclaim may have given us a very useful tool in defeating the Batman.
Now Nikose uses his incredible nerd powers to reference a story arch in Batman. I'm going to be honestly, I don't read comics, I know in passing who Batman is about as much as I know who superman is, and I know about Mr. Freeze, the joker, and the scarecrow, and thats my extensive knowledge of Batman. Now judging from what I know of Moogle, I seriously doubt he restricted himself to a story-arch however so I imagine this is mostly just using Batman Universe stuff, and not everything will match exactly what one comic says to another.

Based on Hush Begins, I think we can assume the following Mafia [or "Batman" roles, as it were]:

Bruce Wayne Batman, Tim Drake as Robin, Stephanie Gordon as Batgirl, Dick Grayson as Nightwing, and Alfred as... Alfred, I suppose. Alfred's pretty badass though, so that's not something to take lightly.

Those are the most likely mafia roles. I'm actually enjoying this so far, Moogle's using comic lore and that's sexyfun.
Yeah that might be useful. Don't know if that knowledge is from sheer amount of nerd (which Nikose has in his defense) or that knowledge came from somewhere else.

I don't recall ever saying something so phenomenally stupid as recruiting Batman, RO. Once again, your ability to read is being called into question- alternatively, you're just trying to call me into suspicion, which is just as bad, really.

A Mayor or leadership role would fit Hush perfectly; Again, I direct your attention to the story arc I referenced in said post, only this time, I'll link it so that you only have to click a little string of blue words, instead of having to open a tab and google it:

Just click here. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hush_%28comics%29#Hush_begins)

it's 4 paragraphs and a sentence. I hope that summarizes well enough why my mind immediately suspected Hush to be a MillerMayor role.
Nikose argues that the name doesn't quite fit the miller, in that a mayor role can work as well. Counter-arguement to be made would be there may be better qualified people in-universe (Like Harvey Dent) that may have this as well, that both fit the miller role and the mayor role.

I'm extrapolating off more then just Thomas Elliot; I'm also using knowledge of Moogle being a huge comic nerd. :P He's enough of a buff that he'll want to fit things to a specific arc. Go read the link; it should help.
Maybe, maybe not. Either Nikose spoke with Moogle in making this game, or he has something that is telling him more about this game than we realize.

...Once again, I didn't ever say that anyone knew who batman was, and... I literally cannot decipher your post. I'm just going to call you dumb.
RO is arguing how the mafia was made if Batman is the head of the place, as the role would lead with Bruce Wayne: Batman mafia aligned, which would indicate everyone else would know what Batman's secret identity is, which doesn't really match up in-universe. Nikose's defense was calling him dumb.
[previous post was at RO]

@Bard: I have to make leaps. It's day one, I can only go on whats shown. To summarize what RO seems to be incapable of understanding: Aldurin is a safe zone with his claim. Good Job Aldurin for doing something right, and if you have other powers, be sure to put them to good use.

@Marius: He is equally terrible at Mafia as he is at everything else in life.
Bard questions where these leaps are coming from, Nikose responds thats just how he is. I still don't know if this is outside or Nikose is that big a nerd. He then goes on to insult Aldurin more.
Your role still fits with the storyline... whiiiiich to means we can extrapolate other roles in the game!

also: UNVOTE: Whoever I had voted for Because joke votes.

*gets to work on role list*
Aldurin makes his second part of his claim here. This indicates a few things. One, there is more than one killer out there. Two, Nikose claims this still fits with the role, matching my earlier suspicions that the mayor part should've gone to other qualified people. Yet Nikose knows the batman universe better than I do, he should've figured that one out already well before Aldurin even mentioned it, or even came up with that. I find it odd he waits until Aldurin, which he keeps insulting of course, points out he isn't mayor to finally say Aldurin isn't mayor.

Too much information, a slip up, or something else? Hmmmm
@IHMN: Don't really care! This is how I always do my thing. Call me out on it if you want to, but it's how I typically play after silliness- and we have something of a reasonable lead here. Although feel free to lynch Aldurin- if it confirms him as Hush and his claims, it would mean my other theories about the game being based on this specific arc are very likely.

As for Roles likely to appear, and what might make sense as their role. All are random guesses at this point, but I'm fairly certain these roles are in game.

Joker - [...Not a clue. Probably mason'd with Harley]
Harley Quinn - [...Maybe bodyguard? Probably mason'd with Jokes.]
Two-Face - [...Kill role?]
Poison Ivy - [Investigator?]
Scarecrow - [Investigator?]
Killer Croc - [Kill role?]
Clay Face - [...no clue.]
Catwoman - [...Town Traitor?]
E. Nigma/Riddler - [Investigator?]
Mister Freeze is outside of the list of 'characters in this arc', but we already know he's in the game.

Any claim outside those role names would be suspect at best; anyone who claims these roles would likely get counterclaimed by the actual holder if they are bluffing.
I like his defense on IHMN's is basically I don't care, I do what I want. Is it me, or is Nikose really trying to act helpful and usefull, and be active in this? Its like there is a lot at stake here...
I'm pretty sure not including Freeze in a Batman themed game, regardless of plot or story, would be considered blasphemy. ;)
Random post defending that this is based off the story arch and why Freeze is still in even though he isn't in that arch.

Is it just me, or is he pushing those names with those roles hard, like he wants people to think that is how they are suppose to go?
While not wanting to defend Aldurin in any possible way, I'd just like to clarify that his powers do make sense.
More of the name matches the role thing.
...the primary reason why I believe Aldurin's roleclaim, is that he picked a relatively obscure Batman Character and his power is more or less believable.
Which means either Aldurin knows Batman or that is his role.
Hawk, the only downside in those thoughts, (because they're very logical), is... well, you're affording a lot of thought to Aldurin, and knowledge of the Batman world. Hush isn't the most well-known villain; most people would have no idea who he was without doing some decent wiki-digging, and to randomly pick him from a pile would be almost unheard of, considering the vast size of Batman's rogue gallery.

...although, then again, I suppose he could have claimed anyone else and made me think the same way.

...Ya know what? Vote: Aldurin if he turns up as being the character he claims, it will confirm a ton of things for me mentally. I'm willing to wager there's a lot of custom powers.
And Nikose keeps insulting Aldurin, and ends up deciding to lynch him to confirm his claims. I think Nikose doesn't think too highly of aldurin at this point. You know what, I think Aldurin was perfectly fine going Fuck you to Nikose too. Its one thing to question the logic and catch someone in playing. Its another thing to insult the player time and time again on intelligence.
In fairness, I was his staunchest and only supporter. I can see him getting angry about that.
With supporters like him who needs enemies.
Well, he could have hit the random button the batman wiki and taken the first Villain he hadn't heard of, I think is what Hawk's point is.

I actually semi-trust Aldurin's claim, but it's mafia, and I am probably stupid for trusting people.

Also, if his lynch turns out to be Hush, I can feel a bit more confident in my assertions, and can start figuring out what likely power roles are here.
This whole post reads, "Eh, I can't think of anything better so I am going with confirming my ideas".
However, UNVOTE: ALDURIN

Because you're right, Gem. I believe he's telling the truth here, and sacrifice for theory isn't the brightest thing I could do here.
Which he promptly realizes is not a smart move to follow through. Is it me, or is it weird that I think for even a moment that Nikose was willing to lynch someone he thought was townie solely to prove something to himself.

[OTOH if he turns up mafia I'm going to point my sniffer at you, Gems. <3]
Guess you got to cover your tracks.

Publically voicing opinions: Suspicious
Keeping opinions to yourself: Suspicious

Not Playing Mafia: Super Suspicious

Guys I think we should lynch Kerensky
Hey look, another joke post. Man we got a joker here.I think what he's saying is that he likes you. Probably sexually.

you are my OTP.
Okay seriously? I mean, I can understand if he is trying to lighten the mood in mafia, but I really feel like its coming off heavy. Getting people to laugh at your posts is a strong way to get people to not think you are mafian.

I've had you both and moved on. Share and share alike, go nuts, gentlemen. <3
And more jokes. Though to be fair they are now in reponse to other jokes.

Will be on the road away from keyboard pretty much all day starting at noonish-7 PMish, EST; if you want spontaneously murder me instead of Aldurin, that'll be your timeframe to keep me from defending myself.
Real life gets in the way of mafia sometimes. It even happens to suspects as well. Good post though for not getting people wanting to lynch you.

Things that constitute a kind of dick move: voting for me when I'm afk.
If there was a dick for every dick move in mafia, I think we would all drown in cocks.IHMN is, quite honestly, on my hotlist too, but I was going to wait to see exactly how scummy he was acting, and if there was any signs of our Jailor [Freeze] getting any investigative powers out of his shit. [Probably not, but, it's not an unreasonable thing.]

I'm not going to go back to voting for Aldurin, yeeet. I honestly like his claim, he's playing his role correctly, and honestly? His claim woooould seem to fit.

I'm going to hold my vote back for now... but IHMN is on my hotseat.
Then Nikose goes after IHMN, which we know is our bodyguard. For reasons that basically read as what I was first saying about IHMN, I don't trust this. Seriously, I have a question for you Karesh. If my suspicion of Nikose based off his posting habits is scummy, why the hell isn't Nikoses trusting of IHMN based off posting habit not considered the same?

You said the same thing last game, IC.
The proper response should've been: You said the same thing this game.Well, last time you said it, you were a mafiate, and I was town.

I'm just saying, patterns, man.
Yeah last game isn't this game. Tables could very well be turned and you know it.

...Red Hood is the Serial Killer. Huh. I didn't see that coming.
Yeah, and we start to see Nikose's role list failing apart. If he talked to Moogle, that wouldn't have happened for his information on whats going on. The other thing, having some information about a few peoples roles, like say mafia, though could still very well fall through. Hmmmmmm.


So yeah, not really a single thing is striking me odd. Nikose is acting with a lot of information, more than he could gather, getting people lynched based off of I KNOW THIS SO WE MUSH, and is being an ass and a half to players to boot. Littered with the amount of joke posting done, I honestly don't see a better target than him.

[Aldurin]

So what was IHMN? Does BG stand for bodyguard (I really hope not) or is it for a different role (that is hopefully not as vital)?

[Bard The 5th LW]

He's probably Body Guard.

Poor Solomon Grundy just wanted to be a good friend and protect his fellow inmates.

[Karrrrrrrrrrrresche]

You did the same thing as me by not reading my other post where I acknowledged I had... not read a post.

No, no. Totally different things. You didn't read the post. I read your post but didn't feel like caring.

[Nikose Tyris]

Actually, Red Hood / Jason Todd was part of this story arc, albeit for a very small part; He was replaced rapidly with Clayface who was only pretending to be Jason Todd, and then RetCon'd afterwards to actually be alive and all that jazz. It gets a bit confusing. At this point in the story I was thinking we'd have Clayface, and not Red Hood for that very reason.

If there was a dick for every dick move in mafia, I think we would all drown in cocks.

This is the single best thing I have ever read.

Then Nikose goes after IHMN, which we know is our bodyguard. For reasons that basically read as what I was first saying about IHMN, I don't trust this. Seriously, I have a question for you Karesh. If my suspicion of Nikose based off his posting habits is scummy, why the hell isn't Nikoses trusting of IHMN based off posting habit not considered the same?

We did not know at the time he was our Bodyguard. His posting habits/gameplay were markedly different from the previous games. I would also like to point out that while he was suspicious, I never voted for him, because I don't feel like he's scummy.

I don't have a defense for enjoying myself in a game that I'm only taking as seriously as I have time to.

however, in counter-accusations:

1) Empty accusations Day 1 without explaination or any way for me to form a defense
2) My estimations and lack of a social life being 'too accurate' for your tastes [Although, it's just as likely that you're bothered by how close I'm hitting to the game]
3) Apparently being rude to Aldurin and RO is the same as being a dickbag to half the players in the game [We are playing a 4 man game D:]
4) You just made a joke day 2. [Despite how much I loved it]
5) Misleading statement about "Knowing IHMN was the bodyguard" instead of "Who we NOW know as the bodyguard" is irking me. Paint me in whatever light you want, but be accurate in your accusations.

For those 5 reasons? You've been elevated to an FoS: Inbred Chocobo. I'm going to read back through day 1 and see if I want to raise that to a vote or not.

P.S. I'm also going to just openly say, I think RO is Red Hood. It's slightly more substantial then IC, since the activity pattern fits for an SK role. This isn't even a Finger of Suspicion yet. I need to go through and prepare a logical breakdown for that accusation though, so he can defend himself.

[Nique]

Now I did skip a game and my memory is a bit faulty to begin with, but wouldn't this be the third game in a row you've said that?

I'm not arguing for or against the validity of the statement just yet. It just seems really weird that you keep having an issue understanding why you think someone is scum.

I don't know if bringing in behavior from other mafia threads is fair or prudent. I know it's hard to find stuff to pinpoint but I think everyone is probably aware enough to control their 'tells' - Plus it doesn't help someone like me who hasn't participated in mafia games for a long time.

That said, Inbred Chocobo's posts are striking me as odd. I don't know if I'd say scummy yet... maybe it was the way-too-long post against Nikose. But he's not totally wrong - Nikose posts smack of someone trying to control the game.

But this is IHMN and Aldurin all over again - there is a lot of paranoid talk going around and we may end up hitting a townie again. At this point, based on what's happened, I'm inclined to suspect Aldurin above everyone else. It seems like we were close to something in his disputes with Hawk and IHMN and now both of them are gone. I realize I voted for IHMN as well and clearly that was the wrong choice, but I'd like to pursue what happened there before we start looking elsewhere.

FOS: Aldurin

[Karrrrrrrrrrrresche]

I don't know if bringing in behavior from other mafia threads is fair or prudent. I know it's hard to find stuff to pinpoint but I think everyone is probably aware enough to control their 'tells' - Plus it doesn't help someone like me who hasn't participated in mafia games for a long time.

That said, Inbred Chocobo's posts are striking me as odd. I don't know if I'd say scummy yet... maybe it was the way-too-long post against Nikose. But he's not totally wrong - Nikose posts smack of someone trying to control the game.

I wasn't trying to make an accusation or bring forth suspicion, I just... well, it doesn't really seem very fair. I mean, once? Yeah. You might not have an idea of how to express the suspicion. But I hate the idea of making a tactic out of vague, unassailable accusations like that. It's a sort of thing that might let a player coast through a day, actively contributing to another players death without "getting your hands dirty" as it were.

[Aldurin]

But this is IHMN and Aldurin all over again - there is a lot of paranoid talk going around and we may end up hitting a townie again. At this point, based on what's happened, I'm inclined to suspect Aldurin above everyone else. It seems like we were close to something in his disputes with Hawk and IHMN and now both of them are gone. I realize I voted for IHMN as well and clearly that was the wrong choice, but I'd like to pursue what happened there before we start looking elsewhere.

FOS: Aldurin

And we're back to this. Hell, I would have taken that lynch if I had known, it's just a shame that IHMN played too suspicious, and I was getting the "this is a bad idea, and not in a good way" feeling about my final argument after I posted it. I guess a lynch on me is practical in some ways more than others.

I can see why you'd want me dead:

1. Miller claims are suspicious as fuck because of the very nature of the miller.
2. My claim is drawing way too much attention from everyone else. We've barely expanded beyond me, Nikose, IC and RO as people to interrogate, and that doesn't get the town very far.
3. When the vote came down to the miller claim (me) and IHMN (the unkown, who was pushing a miller lynch very hard), the unknown was chosen and we lost our bodyguard. I can understand that you guys want to avoid that scenario again at risk of lynching your PO or someone else instead of me.
4. Basic policy lynch standard from the stigma that I am the worst mafia player to ever play mafia.

So honestly, I don't care if you lynch me. All that I ask is if you don't, you play this game a hell of a lot harder so we aren't picked apart by mafia when in the end we may very well find out that all of the main posters are town the whole time (unlikely, I would wager at least one is scum). And if you do lynch me, that's understandable, I just don't want a "now what?" response the next day after it happened.

[Gregness]

*snip*
4. Basic policy lynch standard from the stigma that I am the worst mafia player to ever play mafia.
*snip*

Your name isn't Verifiedz so obviously that can't be the case.

Anyway, going to restate my FoS: Inbred Chocobo from yesterday.

If you add his "I can't explain it guys but NAMEHERE is super scummy" approach to his out of place pseudo-joke vote against Nikose then something isn't adding up.

[Nique]

Watch as I bend your will again with numbered logic.

I realize this is a joke but man it seems like everyone who plays mafia fancies themselves a master of human psychology.

...
4. Basic policy lynch standard from the stigma that I am the worst mafia player to ever play mafia.

I said this about Inbred and I'll say it about you - Past mafia games are not serving as any kind of precedent for me here, and I really hope we are not, as a whole, voting based on some sort of popularity contest here because that is way stupid.

[Nique]

Something I'm trying to figure out as well is who is likely to be our Red Hood - I'd assume the serial killer would probably keep pretty quiet, so I'm not totally convinced it's RO as Nikose seems to think. But I'm not clear on what the rules for victory are for that role...

[Karrrrrrrrrrrresche]

Something I'm trying to figure out as well is who is likely to be our Red Hood - I'd assume the serial killer would probably keep pretty quiet, so I'm not totally convinced it's RO as Nikose seems to think. But I'm not clear on what the rules for victory are for that role...

You've got to be the last person standing, I think.

[Nique]

In the case of Red Hood/ Jason Todd; it could just be taking out the Joker or taking out the Joker is part of the conditions for victory.

[Revising Ocelot]

Yeah, I can't defend myself against accusations of being the SK when the only evidence is Nikose claiming my apparent activity pattern fitting a SK role. What defines the pattern for an SK role, and why do I fit it?


And Karesh, thank you, but if you've got a problem with me I've had enough of people in the AJAX chat like Fifthfiend, greed and InsaneGenius who pretend I'm not a moronic attention-seeking asshole that should be mocked, spat upon and killed in the most painful and undignified way possible. The fact that nobody seems to legitimately hate me is fucking disgraceful. Stop lying to yourself and me, people. I AM a complete bastard that should be shot on sight.

[Revising Ocelot]

Actually I'd just like to be replaced please Moogle, because I'm in no fit state of mind to be doing this game

[BahamutFlare]

Wait, RO, why can't you defend yourself against SK things? Are you admitting to being the SK? Saying you aren't the SK is a pretty good start as a defense against it.

Why quit? I hope everything is alright. Do what you must though...:/

[MariusTwilight]

Holy crap I missed alot by focusing on crap in life. I didn't even realise day had started.

So, it sucks that we lost the bodyguard. And the Roleblocker as well.

The one thing that this bugs me is the implication that Red Hood in the Serial Killer when I was personally certain it was the Joker who would be it. Likely mason'd with Harely. Moogle's posts also seem to deffinitely point to the fact that Joker is in the game, so its possible he is still self aligned, or aligned with Harely if she exists.

I'm still suspicious of Aldurin's roleclaim, mainly because all of the names that have come up so far, Freeze, Bane, Scarecrow, and Grundy, are fairly well known. The last of those not so much, but much more known then Hush.

I don't have much reason behind it, but so far I'm suspicious of Aldurin and Inbred Chocobo.

[Karrrrrrrrrrrresche]

And Karesh, thank you, but if you've got a problem with me I've had enough of people in the AJAX chat like Fifthfiend, greed and InsaneGenius who pretend I'm not a moronic attention-seeking asshole that should be mocked, spat upon and killed in the most painful and undignified way possible. The fact that nobody seems to legitimately hate me is fucking disgraceful. Stop lying to yourself and me, people. I AM a complete bastard that should be shot on sight.




I was making a joke.
I do not now or ever hate you and I felt rather stupid when I realized I had missed your post.

[Fenris]

I've had enough of people in the AJAX chat like Fifthfiend, greed and InsaneGenius who pretend I'm not a moronic attention-seeking asshole that should be mocked, spat upon and killed in the most painful and undignified way possible. The fact that nobody seems to legitimately hate me is fucking disgraceful. Stop lying to yourself and me, people. I AM a complete bastard that should be shot on sight.


I'm like 1000000000% sure that none of these people are pretending and I mean if you legitimately hate yourself or not that's on you but like nobody else here actually hates you and it's kind of rude to assume that they do despite consistent and constant claims to the contrary.

[Oron]

I'm willing to stick with Nikose. Villain or not, he's given us information that we can use, at least for now. By extension, I believe Aldurin's claim, since Nikose believes Hush is involved in this.

So far, I'm most suspicious of IC. His first post, joke or not, read differently to me than his posts in Mafia usually do and it makes me wonder if there's a jester role (but what villain would martyr himself? Joker might, to ruin Batman. But he wouldn't let other villains kill him, would he?). And then he's been pushing pretty hard against Nikose.

[Inbred Chocobo]

however, in counter-accusations:

1) Empty accusations Day 1 without explaination or any way for me to form a defense
2) My estimations and lack of a social life being 'too accurate' for your tastes [Although, it's just as likely that you're bothered by how close I'm hitting to the game]
3) Apparently being rude to Aldurin and RO is the same as being a dickbag to half the players in the game [We are playing a 4 man game D:]
4) You just made a joke day 2. [Despite how much I loved it]
5) Misleading statement about "Knowing IHMN was the bodyguard" instead of "Who we NOW know as the bodyguard" is irking me. Paint me in whatever light you want, but be accurate in your accusations.

For those 5 reasons? You've been elevated to an FoS: Inbred Chocobo. I'm going to read back through day 1 and see if I want to raise that to a vote or not.

P.S. I'm also going to just openly say, I think RO is Red Hood. It's slightly more substantial then IC, since the activity pattern fits for an SK role. This isn't even a Finger of Suspicion yet. I need to go through and prepare a logical breakdown for that accusation though, so he can defend himself.

1.) Simply because its how I think. I read over the thread, something strikes me as odd, and I can't place a finger on it what it exactly is. I tried to figure out why I was suspicious by going back and doing this examination, to get a better idea of why I keep getting this gut feeling its you, and here we are.
2.) Yeah, its kind of weird how close you are hitting.
3.) I'll concede the point where you are only insulting Aldurin and RO, but you aren't going on about playstyle, or suggesting how they have improved a little in the past games, instead you are berating them in every other post. Seriously, that is just bad-mannered and being an asshole.
4.) Yeah, people make jokes, but I'm saying your jokes are coming off heavy-handed, like you are making them for a reason more than you see a good joke.
5.) I never said knowing IHMN was a bodyguard. I said Who we know as the bodyguard. That whole lynch against him was filled with filth and lies, and it wouldn't have happened if you didn't put your hands into it Nikose. His place style hasn't changed one damn bit from one game to another and you know it, hell I was part of his team the last time we were town, and I can say it didn't change one damn bit. People claiming it did all should fall under heavy lies get a big ol' FoS, but I'm putting a serious stare down on you Nikose as your style has changed, however slightly.

Simply put, I see why your posting style is irking me. Everything is exaggerated. The posts, the helpfulness, the assholeness, the jokes, everything is a lot more than what you have put into previous games. You aren't being your regular helpful townie self, you are scum, and you are trying to play off as if you are townie.

Vote: Nikose

((Yeah I already did that but reinforcing the point))

[Aldurin]

1.) Simply because its how I think. I read over the thread, something strikes me as odd, and I can't place a finger on it what it exactly is. I tried to figure out why I was suspicious by going back and doing this examination, to get a better idea of why I keep getting this gut feeling its you, and here we are.
2.) Yeah, its kind of weird how close you are hitting.
3.) I'll concede the point where you are only insulting Aldurin and RO, but you aren't going on about playstyle, or suggesting how they have improved a little in the past games, instead you are berating them in every other post. Seriously, that is just bad-mannered and being an asshole.
4.) Yeah, people make jokes, but I'm saying your jokes are coming off heavy-handed, like you are making them for a reason more than you see a good joke.
5.) I never said knowing IHMN was a bodyguard. I said Who we know as the bodyguard. That whole lynch against him was filled with filth and lies, and it wouldn't have happened if you didn't put your hands into it Nikose. His place style hasn't changed one damn bit from one game to another and you know it, hell I was part of his team the last time we were town, and I can say it didn't change one damn bit. People claiming it did all should fall under heavy lies get a big ol' FoS, but I'm putting a serious stare down on you Nikose as your style has changed, however slightly.

Simply put, I see why your posting style is irking me. Everything is exaggerated. The posts, the helpfulness, the assholeness, the jokes, everything is a lot more than what you have put into previous games. You aren't being your regular helpful townie self, you are scum, and you are trying to play off as if you are townie.

Note that all of the bolded parts are complete bullshit, ESPECIALLY the part about the IHMN lynch being filled with lies and filth. Nobody knew he was the bodyguard at the time, and I pointed out that his response to a miller claim was within the scum category of response. If you said that the lynch was filled with guesses and questionable logic then I would agree with you, but insinuating that everyone involved in that lynch is purposely detrimental to town (especially Nikose).

When you say IHMN's style didn't change a bit, that may have been true from your perspective, but the truth was that nobody saw it the same way. Many of us thought he wasn't playing the badass townie he usually is, and his handling of the strong push for lynching a miller claim in spite of arguments set off alarms.

And slapping "asshole" on every other action Nikose does is plain stupid. His play style is constantly this well blended mix of serious and semi-serious, and he hasn't been throwing insults out like you keep trying to say he has.

My main thing is, good townie play is to maintain proper knowledge and information, as twisting or hiding it only helps scum. Your idea of twisting facts and spinning lies to demonize certain players does not help town in any way, so you go right to the top of my list of people that are most likely scum.

Vote: Inbred Chocobo

[Bard The 5th LW]

Yeah Inbred some of the things you're saying sorta strike me as scummy for reasons I am too apathetic to expound upon. Granted, Nik is also scummy but that is just how he ALWAYS is.

Vote: Inbred Chocobo

Nik would probably be my second target to vote.

[Mr.Bookworm]

Honestly, if IC is scum, he's being pretty bad at it. It's like the Mafia is a bunch of robbers who want to slip in and out unnoticed and he's the Kool-Aid Man with a balaclava on.

Buuuuuuuut, never discount the obvious. Vote: IC.

[Nikose Tyris]

I'm willing to pass out a VOTE: INBRED CHOCOBO, based on Aldurin's very flattering defense of me.

[Inbred Chocobo]

Roleclaim:Waylon Jones (Killer Croc) Arkham Asylum aligned

I'm powerless, so really I'm just a named vanilla townie. If you guys have such a hardon to lynch me, then when that is revealed lynch Nikose and the aldurin.

[Inbred Chocobo]

Also, notice how fast 4 votes jumped on me. No real resistance here, but extreme resistance to Nikose's. Means that Nikose has some buddies they don't want him gone.

[Gregness]

Or that you're acting scummier than Nikose is.

Either way, I'll reserve my vote for the time being.

[Inbred Chocobo]

Also, if you guys will give me some time and not jump to full lynch on me, I'm working on an examination of the lynch against IHMN, and point out why it actually has lies in it, and not just questionable logic.

[BahamutFlare]

I'll give my opinion on what I think. My vote at the moment will be between IC and Aldurin. IC just seems scummy in general. His super long post seemed ok in some instances, but a good amount I disagreed with. I agree with Aldurin's post about the matter. This makes me want to trust Aldurin.

However, if we're wrong again, Aldurin basically led the reasons why we should lynch IHMN and now IC. Granted the reasoning was ok and I agree with some of it. Something still irks me about Aldurin.

I'll hold of until IC posts whatever it is he wants to post.

[Karrrrrrrrrrrresche]

I'll give my opinion on what I think. My vote at the moment will be between IC and Aldurin. IC just seems scummy in general. His super long post seemed ok in some instances, but a good amount I disagreed with. I agree with Aldurin's post about the matter. This makes me want to trust Aldurin.

However, if we're wrong again, Aldurin basically led the reasons why we should lynch IHMN and now IC. Granted the reasoning was ok and I agree with some of it. Something still irks me about Aldurin.

I'll hold of until IC posts whatever it is he wants to post.


I've got to admit I was leaning more toward an IC lynch before Aldurin's vote. I'm hesitant to follow the lead of somebody I'm so on the fence about to begin with, I think it really does all come down to whether or not ICs evidence does can prove that there was some kind of deception going on with IHMNs lynch.

It's pretty much his last shot as far as I'm concerned though.

[Oron]

I'd like to see your analysis of IHMN's lynch. I didn't support it myself since his response to an early miller claim was exactly what he said he'd do when Nikose made the same move in the other game. It will be interesting to see what lies you can point out.

[Inbred Chocobo]

You people asked for it, here it is, IHMN's summary of the lynch against him


IHMN's posts can read as follows. Vote: Aldurin as miller claiming is scummy activity. (Some stuff) You should still lynch him, as if you don't worry about the claim one little bit, then its very possible scum is using this tactic to hide. (Vote on Nikose by me) Yeah, since no one wants to lynch Aldurin I can get behind that.

Aldurin voted for IHMN because he thinks that lynching a miller is a bad idea, when IHMN's reason was because if you let that slide, mafia will make a habit of abusing that and running away with it, with the wikipedia that Greg pointed at saying that is how you play miller agreeing with him completely. He also goes on that IHMN changing his target to Nikose was him trying to backout on lynching Aldurin. When in reality, he was just agreeing with my vote on him, and still in support for lynch of Ald. (Scewing words of previous posts to match his arguements, hmmmmm)

Nikose says IHMN is on his hotlist, going yeah I bet he is scum but I'm not sure.

Nique votes IHMN for voting a likely Miller. I just find it weird he waited until after the 48 hour period and Aldurin to do this, when he has been doing this the whole time. He still remains suspicious of aldurin and Nikose from his posts though, which is weird because didn't he just say that IHMN needs to die for voting a Miller? Why does he need to still be suspicious of Aldurin if he is willing to lynch someone else for trying to lynch them?

Ravashak is our next one. I like how he goes to say that earlier, he votes for aldurin based on a post Aldurin makes. Then in this post, he says that he was willing to give Aldurin the benefit of the doubt, and the votes for IHMN for voting for Aldurin. Why in the world would he vote for Aldurin in the first place, even over a post, when at the time it was clear the odds were stacked again him, but he was giving him the benefit of the doubt.

Fenris votes IHMN because he doesn't a tie breaker and prefers IHMN to Aldurin. Ehhh, alright whatever.

RO votes IHMN as well. This one is good, because he says Well, as I stated ealier I found IHMN's pouncing on Aldurin too suspicious for my liking. Here is the funny thing, he never actually said that though. Never mentioned he thought IHMN was suspicious, he that jumping on him was kind of out of bounds. His only post that indicates anything of the sort was a gentle, I'm not sure why he would also claim unkillable by Batman unless he was. Now why in the world would he say that he mentioned this before unless either, A, he wanted his argument to sound good or B, He did mention it, and its not in this thread.

Time Period between Aldurin's vote to RO's was slightly over 24 hours, around 27.

That is the reason I think the Lynch against IHMN is full of lies and scum. The whole reason was because he was voting on Miller due to principle (Damn that has IHMN written all over it) and the arguments against him was because he voted for Aldurin or people made up the suspicion they had or expressed earlier to put popular opinion in favor of them.

[Inbred Chocobo]

Here are the insults Nikose has been slipping into his posts against people. They are mainly again Aldurin and I think one of these is against RO, but seriously, I don't like it, and I don't like insults at people. Just a thing I have, sorry Aldurin you see it as me calling people out on it, even when its subtle like this as a bad thing.

In that case, Aldurin is most likely the Town Mayor, then, as it fits Hush's [T. Elliot] style.

UNFORTUNATELY, it's ALDURIN and therefore the worst imaginable town role for him to be in. :/

Once again, your ability to read is being called into question- alternatively, you're just trying to call me into suspicion, which is just as bad, really.


I'm just going to call you dumb.



@Marius: He is equally terrible at Mafia as he is at everything else in life.

Hawk, the only downside in those thoughts, (because they're very logical), is... well, you're affording a lot of thought to Aldurin,

[Geminex]

Okay, fuck, it is midnight and I just got home but I feel I have to post something, even if it's just two lines.

I don't like IC's current arguments. Some interesting stuff is hidden in there, like the thing about people goin' back on their arguments, but a lot of it is really weird and kinda disjointed. The IHMN stuff in particular. I believe my vote was first in that particular lynch, and I'm beating myself up over it.

But that doesn't mean that it wasn't rational, at the time. The reason I voted for IHMN is that he made a vague argument to categorically lynch any miller claim. That is generally pretty terrible, and that's what it seemed like to me. If he'd mentioned he was BG, I would most certainly have held off.

But anyway, my point is that I don't think the lynch on IHMN was terrible enough to warrant lynching the people connected to it. And if you thought that it was, then you would've done well to speak up against it at the time.

However, my opposition to that particular point does not mean don't have my suspicions of Nikose. TBH, he'd probably be my favorite lynch right now. This is partly based on feeling (though only to a minor degree, you can never know with nikose) and more on his initial speculation about the way the game's built up. The more I think about that particular series of posts, the weirder it seems. I pointed out at the time that town should, generally, keep that kinda info for themselves. Particularly the detailed list of characters and corresponding roles. Nikose would know that. So why such detailed, public elaboration? It kinda seems like he was fishing for info, tbh. And possibly supporting earl's roleclaim.

Gah, I am tired. This is only my first impression. IC's arguments: Bad. IC himself: Trying too hard to find a rationale for his suspicion of nikose. Nikose: Suspicious to a degree, gonna have to look over his more recent posts.

[Aldurin]

Holy shit, IC. Join a news network because man you know how to spin information. To respond to each of your paragraphs in order.

IHMN's initial reaction to my claim was reasonable because of the very nature of playing a miller role the way I did. As a scum tactic for hiding, it is a very risky move, and something my form of stupid would refuse to do if I wasn't actually a miller. It's still reasonable to suspect me since you can't be sure until I'm dead.

For my voting that day, it was mostly stupid and impulsive up until IHMN posted that he would swap lynching targets if people started preferring someone else over me, which I saw as a way to preemptively launch damage control in case the lynch could look bad for him. Having someone who says that they want miller claims lynched on sight suddenly taking a flexible stance felt odd.

Nikose is Nikose, fuck if I try to read him right now.

Don't have much on Nique right now, but vote timing is stupid to consider in that long of a time period.

Ravashak initially voting for me was justified by my crappy posting for that one period, and giving me the benefit of the doubt later is ok, since I am one of the big wild cards to consider.

Trying to read into RO's posts that much is kinda getting weird, especially looking for logic that is not necessarily there.

Finally, considering the final vote train isn't that good of a strategy because

1. We have lives, we can't be on this thread 24/7 (on my lunch break right now in fact).
2. Suspicious vote coordinations are usually really short interval hammer votes.
3. Votes piled on because I made a good argument, go figure.

Anyways, just stop trying to bend the truth, whether it's through modifying, omitting information or presenting impractical info. It's getting exhausting.

[Inbred Chocobo]

IHMN's initial reaction to my claim was reasonable because of the very nature of playing a miller role the way I did. As a scum tactic for hiding, it is a very risky move, and something my form of stupid would refuse to do if I wasn't actually a miller. It's still reasonable to suspect me since you can't be sure until I'm dead.

For my voting that day, it was mostly stupid and impulsive up until IHMN posted that he would swap lynching targets if people started preferring someone else over me, which I saw as a way to preemptively launch damage control in case the lynch could look bad for him. Having someone who says that they want miller claims lynched on sight suddenly taking a flexible stance felt odd.
The thing about it though is one, its only the real initial burst you have to get over to the reaction. If you get everyone settled down, you will be considered town for the rest of the game and no one will argue it. Its risky, but great payoff.

The other thing was IHMN was stating that he still wanted to lynch you, but could get behind a lynch on Nikose. I'm sure he could pick a lot better targets if he was trying to win fans.

Nikose is Nikose, fuck if I try to read him right now.
He is scum, I think we have established that

Don't have much on Nique right now, but vote timing is stupid to consider in that long of a time period.
Everything needs to be considered at that point. The biggest thing was that all the votes came about when Moogle declared a time limit. I feel like some of these votes were placed to take advantage of it. Not all, but my two cents two people that voted for IHMN is mafian. Which two? Hrmmm, I have so ideas.

Ravashak initially voting for me was justified by my crappy posting for that one period, and giving me the benefit of the doubt later is ok, since I am one of the big wild cards to consider.
Yeah but he didn't end up changing the vote until you got your bandwagon started anyway. Something about that just isn't right.
Trying to read into RO's posts that much is kinda getting weird, especially looking for logic that is not necessarily there.
Sometimes it is what people do unintentionally that you have to look at for clues.



To address Geminex's concern that I am coming off strong. The first mafia game we played on these forums, I was a vanilla townie, and I had thought good people and accused 3 different mafians that game of being sucm, and came up with decent arguments. What happened was arguments came back, not only from them but from other people as well. Mafia won that game, and if I stuck to my guns and trusted my instincts, then we may have had a shot.

So that is what I am doing. Nikose is scum, his attitude, his behavior, his posting style and execution, it has it written all over it. So here I am, being accused of coming off too strong rather than not strong enough, and freaking people out.

Listen you guys, I'm trying to make sure you guys don't get stuck listening to scum. If Nikose runs this game its going into the side of a mountain, where either Red Hood or Batman's gang is going to take it home. So here I am, putting up a fight, and I guess in the end we shall see who is right.

[Nique]

For the record, I think going with your gut feeling is better than the analysis you just went to all the trouble of typing up, and I think you got a little too much guff for trying to do just that.

EDIT: Like, we're backing IC into a corner and I don't think that's helpful because it's making him look scummy when he may not be. In my mind, the Mafia needs enough rope to hang itself with and we're closing in on IC pretty quickly. Just an observation.

Nique votes IHMN for voting a likely Miller. I just find it weird he waited until after the 48 hour period and Aldurin to do this, when he has been doing this the whole time. He still remains suspicious of aldurin and Nikose from his posts though, which is weird because didn't he just say that IHMN needs to die for voting a Miller? Why does he need to still be suspicious of Aldurin if he is willing to lynch someone else for trying to lynch them?

I have no doubt that the lynch against IHMN was directed by Batman Inc. All I can say for why I voted for him is that Aldurin's Miller claim was convincing and it seemed scummy for IHMN to vote for him. Now I'm not so sure that IHMN was wrong.

My main doubt about Aldurin's scumminess is HOW obvious the lynch against IHMN was - My guess is that Aldurin simply made a mistake in leading a lynch on IHMN and is a townie or that he is like, Ace the bat-hound or something.

Oh god please tell me Ace the Bat-Hound is in this game.

[BahamutFlare]

I'm not entirely sure yet. I don't like IC's arguments. They're just a bit flawed and seem a bit of a just because.

I'm kinda feeling that IC is the scummiest right now. However, part of me seems hesitant. Cuz that was the longest post ever written. He's trying extremely hard. I don't know. A hunch keeps me from putting a vote on him.

My feelings are that RO is scummy in some way, but I feel bad voting for him when he isn't going to defend himself. The last posts he made almost made him seem like he was admitting to being the SK.

The one point of IC that I agreed with is that everyone looking at Aldurin like he is town after he helps out. He could be helping out with 2 townie lynches. And he may be just focusing on the scummy parts of someone's arguments and using it to sway our feelings.

I'm going to sleep on it. From what IC said, it makes me have a couple pings on Nikose, but I think there's bigger fish to fry if he is one.

[Aldurin]

I'll keep my vote as it is for right now, but how about this?

Nikose, roleclaim your ass. I really doubt that the Nikose vs. IC is two townies going at each other. And Nikose's behavior and responses to me felt in some ways too convenient.

FoS: Nikose

[Gregness]

I'm honestly still suspicious of you Aldurin, but this might give us some good info. I say that after Nikose, IC roleclaims then we see what's what.

[Nikose Tyris]

I'll keep my vote as it is for right now, but how about this?

Nikose, roleclaim your ass. I really doubt that the Nikose vs. IC is two townies going at each other. And Nikose's behavior and responses to me felt in some ways too convenient.

FoS: Nikose

The Roleclaim:
Roleclaim: Oswald Cobblepot, The Penguin. One person in game [Name withheld] is a lackey that killing me will redirect to killing him instead. It's an extra life at the expense of someone else. The person is pre-assigned, but not a mason partner. I don't know for sure if that person actually realizes what happens, nor do I know what that person's role is.

The Convienience:
Everything about your roleclaim, Aldy, felt like a puzzle falling together in my head. If you are Thomas Elliot, Hush, it would feel like a massive information dump to on day 1; we'd be able to accurately guess which BatHeroes are in the game based on timeline, and possibly figure out whether there's any sideline powers [for instance, Damian Wayne as Robin[Kill role?], as opposed to Dick[Investigative] or Tim[Useless, best case scenario]]. I spent the rest of my energy on day one putting together a likely list of roles, because Moogle is an attention to detail kind of guy, and this is like a Batman puzzle between two horrible nerds. I want to figure out his angle and where he's going with this.

That's the full summary of my feelings. [Also, thanks for doing the big replies to IC, Aldy, while I was in class at college and couldn't spare the time. That as actually a big help.]

[Geminex]

Hmm. Setting aside convenience for the moment, nikose, why not let us know who's taking a bullet for you? It'd really firm up your roleclaim, and I can't see any disadvantage to telling. Assuming you're town, even if scum knows that you're protected by a specific person, all they would have to do to kill this person is to target you, so they're already somewhat exposed.

In addition to the extra credibility, this'd also serve to semi-confirm another townie, which we really need right now.

So, who is it?

Edit: Or wait, are you saying that you don't know?

[Nikose Tyris]

That is correct, I don't know who this person is. I would assume he's one of the larger, stupider roles, like Clayface, but my PM didn't tell me which person took the shot for me.

[Geminex]

Okay. In that case, is anyone around who can confirm Nik's claim? Because if Nik's claim is true, I can't imagine that not being the case. I could have seen Nik knowing who's gonna die for him, but not the rescuer. That'd be a bit of a bastard role, but it'd still work out. I could see Nik not knowing, but his rescuer knowing that if Nik dies, he (or she) dies. The rescuer would then try to keep Nik from gettin' murderized, sort of a guardian role.

But I can't see a role existing that redirects its death to another player, but nobody knowing who it actually gets redirected to. Because that's something that at least one of the players involved should know in order to have reasonable control over their actions in the game, and not telling them really seems bastardly to do. And I'm pretty sure Moogle's not running a bastard game.

If anyone speaks up, I'll buy it, and then I'm taking another long, hard look at the game. Maybe go after IC, on the chance that his overenthusiasm in going after Nik was deliberate.

If nobody speaks up, I'm thinking we should lynch nik.

[Nikose Tyris]

I'm willing to go along with this plan.

I really hope someone speaks up then, because it would literally be at their own expense.

[Inbred Chocobo]

So

If Nikose is telling the truth and we lynch him, we actually get a random third party.
If Nikose is lying and we lynch him, we find out he is lying.

Hitting a random third party is risky, but since Nikose admits that he doesn't know anything about the other person, its funny because it could be scum, could be someone that died, however is it likely its scum if it was pre-destined before the game started? Eh, not likely.

Fine, I honestly can't put forth an argument, and that role claim has genuine written all over it.

Unvote: Nikose

I've stated my reasons for my aggressiveness, believe them or not, the choice is yours.

For those that missed my role claim earlier

Roleclaim:Waylon Jones (Killer Croc) Arkham Asylum aligned

I have no powers. At all, period. I am simply a vanilla townie with a name.


I would now suggest a lynch against RO for that unintentional remark he made during the lynch against IHMN, as stating that as I said previously, without actually saying anything in this thread, is something that causes concern, but I kind of feel like a dick for doing it since he ragequitted and someone will have to replace him and we would end up lynching them if they ever come up.

Nique would be my other target, but thats just more on the, he has been super friendly this whole time you know?

[Geminex]

Outta curiosity, what makes that roleclaim seem genuine, to you? Cause I have never seen anything like it in a mafia game, and it seems astoundingly convenient for Nikose to say "If you lynch me, you will instead lynch a random member of this group." Major disincentive there. Plus, I don't think the penguin is known for the self-sacrifice of his minions? Unless one of us is, like, an actual penguin.

If someone else can confirm his, that's great. But until then, I'm gonna consider it... fishy.

[Inbred Chocobo]

For one, what little I have read up on the Penguin in attitude and personality, I could see this matching the role just fine. (really it was just the wikipedia article but you know what, hey I could see it).

Two, well, that most just doesn't feel like the rest of his posts. Yeah I know, horribly reasoning with the whole feeling stuff. Then again, if I have seen all of Nikose's posts till that one as suspicious, then I could see someone who has seen all of Nikose's posts as normal could see that one suspicious.

Hell maybe that is a sign of him lying is that when I first read it I believed it. Still, it just came off as genuine, not a whole lot more I can put into it than that.

[Moogle0119]

Effective immediately, Revolving Ocelot is being replaced by Hawk. Hawk will be known as Hawk2, so as not to be confused with his original role as Bane who was just a vanilla townie and had no additional information outside of the posts in this thread.

Carry on.

P.S. Current vote count...

Inbred Chocobo (2)
Aldurin
Bard the 5th LW

Still 9 to lynch. No deadline yet.

[The Artist Formerly Known as Hawk]

First of all, you're all stupid.

Second of all, whoever killed me, I am going to end you.

Thirdly, I'll... get back to you on the third thing after I get caught up on the thread later.

[Mr.Bookworm]

I am honestly rather suspicious of Nikose's roleclaim. Everyone in this game seems to be a (relatively) important character. Who would fit as a disposable minion?

[Karrrrrrrrrrrresche]

That is correct, I don't know who this person is. I would assume he's one of the larger, stupider roles, like Clayface, but my PM didn't tell me which person took the shot for me.

You and your... DISGUSTING logic. How do you do that?!

Fine though, whatever. You guys killing Nikose would lead to my death anyway so;
Roleclaim: Clayface Yadda Yadda Arkham aligned and whatnot.

I was informed that the Pengiun was my boss, but also that he's a tricky bastard and that I should be on my toes for a double cross.
I guess had the body swap thing come up, the flavor would have been him ditching me in a trap or something because he's a doodyhead.

Still, roles are roles. Not his fault.
Bastard.

[Mr.Bookworm]

Hm. Okay.

Well, Karesh and Nikose could still theoretically be Mafia, but that seems unlikely.

IC still seems like the best bet to me at the moment.

[MariusTwilight]

With the roles that I've seen revealed so far, such as the BG and the Role Blocker, and now the Penguin/Clayface thing, I'm more suspicious of IC.

I think Moogle has made each role have some kind of power, so I don't think there is a non power role in this game.

[Inbred Chocobo]

Effective immediately, Revolving Ocelot is being replaced by Hawk. Hawk will be known as Hawk2, so as not to be confused with his original role as Bane who was just a vanilla townie and had no additional information outside of the posts in this thread.


Hey look a vanilla townie.

[Aldurin]

Huh? I could have sworn Bane was a vig given the flavor from N1, which if it was true would mean that Batman was a bulletproof that we'd have to lynch. But Moogle is saying Bane was a vanilla townie so whatevs.

[Geminex]

You and your... DISGUSTING logic. How do you do that?!

Fine though, whatever. You guys killing Nikose would lead to my death anyway so;
Roleclaim: Clayface Yadda Yadda Arkham aligned and whatnot.

I was informed that the Pengiun was my boss, but also that he's a tricky bastard and that I should be on my toes for a double cross.
I guess had the body swap thing come up, the flavor would have been him ditching me in a trap or something because he's a doodyhead.

Still, roles are roles. Not his fault.
Bastard.

Aaaaand cut!

Why cut?

Cause it's time for a bit of a roleclaim!
Edward Nigma, the Riddler, at your service. My immersion in a "lazarus pit" (?) allows me to make one brilliant deduction! (I'm a one-shot PO).

Aaaand last night I used my one deduction on none other than Nikose Tyris.

Aaaaand I now know for a fact that he is, in fact, Tim Drake, Robin

Aaaaaand in that light, Karesh, your particular roleclaim is looking awfully thin.

I'm aware I'm probably going to end up dying, but oh well. This was worth it.
After all, I do believe I just killed two bats... with one stone.

[Nikose Tyris]

This is, of course, assuming we take your roleclaim at face value.

Although, Ironically, it absolutely fits in place for the Hush storyline I've been saying.

[Geminex]

If I was scum, I'd hardly claim a well-known role that was guaranteed to get confirmed at the end of this day. I mean, at best, I'd be sacrificing myself in order to kill one of you. At worst, the actual riddler would come forwards and counterclaim.

In either case it'd be a terrible scum decision, since, best case, it'd be a 1-for-1 trade. There's no indication that you or Karesh have any particular power, beyond what you've said, and whichever of you died, the other would be a confirmed townie.

If I was scum, I'd be proceeding differently. I would not be directly levelling an accusation that was likely to get me killed in return for killing one townie and confirming another. That's a bad tradeoff.

[Nikose Tyris]

Alternatively, your power is incorrect and pointing you in the wrong direction, as Nigma ends up futzing things up at the end of the Hush storyline; He was chasing the wrong person the entire time, with a false lead. Your flavor indicates you'd be wrong. Lynching me would kill Karesh, who could just be trying to help me as a neutral party; Lynching you would confirm you're 'town' and possibly deluded.

[Inbred Chocobo]

Wow really? Huh, okay I can see with lynching Nikose, as it will either give us a garunteed townie (by killing off Karesh) or reveal two scum targets. Yeah seriously, Gem either outed himself with a terrible claim, or he is right and we have two different scum targets.

Vote: Nikose

And lets go from there.

[Geminex]

Lynching me would confirm I'm town, yes. But that's hardly in question, is it? Scum wouldn't be doing what I'm doing, cause it'd be suicide. And as such, even if we lynch me, and I predictably flip town, there'd still be the question of whether or not my power's accurate.

Mind you, that "question" isn't necessarily a relevant one. Even if it fits the storyline, a one-shot PO who also gets incorrect results? That's one helluva terrible role.

Anyway, if you accept that I'm town, which you hopefully do, then lynching me will reveal nothing new. Lynching one of you will either confirm my claim or deny it, and, as such, will either confirm the other as town or implicate them as scum. We learn a lot mroe by going after one of you. Sure, my power might be inaccurate, in which case first you'd get lynched, then I would. That's a minor risk, sure. But it's one I am totally willing to stake my life (and yours!) on.

So, I suddenly realize I hadn't done this yet,
Vote: Nikose

[Nikose Tyris]

I'm pretty sure I'm obligated to fight for my life here.

[The Artist Formerly Known as Hawk]

Haven't caught up on the thread yet but I will say, Gems roleclaim would be pretty terrible play from a mafia position, as he'd be trading himself for 1 townie if we followed his advice. I'm inclined to try lynching Nik to see what happens. If Nik flips town, Gem is scum, if not, hey, 2 scum targets.

Vote: Nikose

[Oron]

Then fight, and let us see what you can do.

It fits for me, somewhat. Felt like you were hiding things, especially with your roleclaim. The Penguin who can have his place taken by a lackey? If that was forged in this game, you would be the one to do it. You've been the one with so much knowledge about the characters, so you'd be most likely to know who does what. And you've recently played the role of somebody who can become the scapegoat for a lynch. The idea is fresh in your memory. And since you're the one who knows the most about the Batman comics out of all the players, I would have expected you to have some idea as to what character would take the fall for you. Why wait for someone else to claim? An educated guess wouldn't hurt.

I will believe Geminex's claim. I don't believe a one-shot power would be inaccurate.

I want to see more before voting.

--Man, typing these out on a phone is slow when it keeps thinking I'm hitting the space bar.

[BahamutFlare]

Well this makes things a lot easier of a debate. Either Gem or Nikose + Karesh is mafia. Personally, I'm believing Gem.

Vote: Nikose

[Oron]

And somehow I keep putting stupid tags on my posts without even noticing.

[Nikose Tyris]

I'm going to VOTE: INBRED CHOCOBO because I'm 100% confident he's who should go down.

Also whoever is Red Hood, you should totes hit Geminex. Just saying.

[MariusTwilight]

Sorry Niknik, but this does look very bad on you. Until I see a solid reason behind your defense I'm going to

UNVOTE

Vote: Nikose

At least until I see some good rebuttel.

[Aldurin]

Unvote: Inbred Chocobo

Vote: Nikose

Nice knowing ya. You had me fooled pretty well by being the batman nerd to supply batman nerdiness info. But the questionability of the claim combined with a conflicting claim brings up problems. For now I'm willing to dismiss IC as a townie that's trying too hard.

[Bard The 5th LW]

Unvote: Inbred Chocobo

I'm willing to go for Nik. He and IC both strike me as targets I'd be willing to try out, and it'd be a pretty pointless Roleclaim for Gem otherwsie.

Vote: Nikose

[Nikose Tyris]

My vindication will come, as Karesh's death will be my proof.

[Moogle0119]

While everyone argued amongst themselves about who was allied with the Batman, Mr. Freeze pointed his freeze gun at Nikose Tyris. Only a brief moment later, Nikose Tyris was frozen solid.

Frozen (aka jailed) players cannot act, post, or be targeted by lynches or any night roles until the start of the next day. All votes that were on Nikose Tyris are voided for the remainder of the day.

15 active players now, now 8 to lynch. Day 2 continues.

[The Artist Formerly Known as Hawk]

Well, thanks for that Mr. Freeze. That doesn't really help us at all. So...

Vote: Karesh?

I suppose? That's probably our only other option to confirm Gems claim or not.

[BahamutFlare]

Vote: Karesh

Do I need to unvote an invalid person?

[Inbred Chocobo]

Vote: Karesh

[Moogle0119]

@BahamutFlare Nope

[Oron]

I don't like this. Karesh is always an honest guy, so I bet he's town. If we lynch him, I'd prefer it happens as a result of Nikose's claim being true and the lynch redirecting to Karesh. At least we'd know for absolute sure that way. Perhaps we should consider lynching anyone else who appears scummy?

[Oron]

Like I know I'm claiming he's honest based on his say-so from other games. Aside from his joke-posts in these games, though, I'll take his word for it.

If he's not truthful in this case? Bravo. You've got at least one sucker.

[Geminex]

Jesus. The hell is Mr. Freeze doing?

And hey, I'm willing to listen to what Karesh has to say. If he has an explanation for his claim, great!

But as it is, he claimed a role that was directly connected to Nikose' claim. He said it mentioned the Penguin by name and warned of backstabbing, which fit in great with what Nik said. Unfortunately, Nik's claim is, as far as we know, not true.

Given that I am p. sure that the penguin doesn't even exist in this game (guessing scum have a safelist?), I don't see how Karesh's claim can be construed as anything but scum!

Again, though, if the dude has an explanation, I will unvote him!

For now, though, Vote: Karesh

Also, Oron, being honest or not does not make him more or less likely to get a scum role. And when he gets that scum role, he will either tell us outright that he is scum, or he will, for the duration of the game, stop being honest. That's pretty basic!

I mean, I get that he might be giving off a sincere vibe or somethin', but come on. You're really going with gut feeling on this?

[Geminex]

That came off a bit more sarcastically than I intended, sorry bout that. But do ya get my point? There's some substantial evidence of Karesh being scum. (Which is, admittedly, based on my word alone, but that'll be validated soon, I hope!) You're not voting for him based on his general "honesty", but you seem to have minimal arguments that actually form a basis for the assumption that he is, in this game, being honest when he claims clayface. That seems a bit weird to me!

[Inbred Chocobo]

Random food for thought, what if Nikose knew about the Penguin role, but he wasn't it, and claimed it to hide his true role.

Course that would require to prove with Karesh not dying by the actual Penguin claiming. If that happens, the Karesh is in the clear and we will need to unvote him and vote for Nikose.

Then again, I have no idea how Nikose would learn it with such detail unless he was masoned or something. Which is also possible.

I sometimes hate these games.

[Gregness]

Okay, time to see what's what.

Vote: "Half Assed" Karesh

[Karrrrrrrrrrrresche]

But as it is, he claimed a role that was directly connected to Nikose' claim. He said it mentioned the Penguin by name and warned of backstabbing, which fit in great with what Nik said. Unfortunately, Nik's claim is, as far as we know, not true.

Given that I am p. sure that the penguin doesn't even exist in this game (guessing scum have a safelist?), I don't see how Karesh's claim can be construed as anything but scum!

Random food for thought, what if Nikose knew about the Penguin role, but he wasn't it, and claimed it to hide his true role.

Course that would require to prove with Karesh not dying by the actual Penguin claiming. If that happens, the Karesh is in the clear and we will need to unvote him and vote for Nikose.


Pretty much what IC said. I haven't been informed of who the Penguin is, only how his role and mine are related. I don't see how the fuck else Nikose could find out about it, since either he is the role and wanted me to confirm him, or he isn't and was a scum using it to save himself. (And the latter would be kiiind of freaking impossible to puzzle out since either the role doesn't exist and I've been lied to or it does and Nikose discovered not only that the Penguin was the name but the entirety of the role itself) But since Mr. Freeze, who is flavor text confirmed to be an ally of the Arkham escapees is interested in keeping him alive, I'm actually more suspicious of Gem at this point.

It's kind of meaningless since there's been this overwhelming consensus but I guess the only thing I can do is to
Vote: Geminex
And hope that after I'm gone the eyes of scrutiny will turn toward him with vengeance.

[Karrrrrrrrrrrresche]

Also I'm sorry to say but yeah if I am scum in a game I can't hold true to my standards of honesty. If it helps even as I am scum I try to approach each situation with the same analytic standards, so I can be counted on against other scum factions, just not my own.

[Bard The 5th LW]

Vote: Karesh

Don't have much else to go on, thanks Freeze.

[Oron]

Except I'm still hung up on this part:
Alternatively, your power is incorrect and pointing you in the wrong direction, as Nigma ends up futzing things up at the end of the Hush storyline; He was chasing the wrong person the entire time, with a false lead. Your flavor indicates you'd be wrong. Lynching me would kill Karesh, who could just be trying to help me as a neutral party; Lynching you would confirm you're 'town' and possibly deluded.

I just want more time to consider the possibility of this. Lynching Karesh would prove, what? If he's Killer Croc, then we learn that Nikose is also Arkham Asylum-aligned, and then we might just learn that Gem is an inaccurate Nigma. Yeah, the power sucks, but would it make sense in the comic world for him to mess up like that? Would Moogle use that characterization, if he's such a comic buff?

Considering that possibility, we might waste two days lynching Arkham villains. Of course, it might just be as we suspect, per Geminex's claim. I'm just saying that I don't like this quick vote train. We need to take a little time to work this out, especially given Mr. Freeze's interruption. Let's not let the events of the day hasten our own actions too much. We've got time.

Also, I'm not saying that Karesh is honest on Bob the Merc levels. It's just that this works out so nicely as is, if his claim is true. I'm saying this because I wonder if Nikose is indeed Robin. Maybe he's got investigative powers and he can learn somebody's role? Maybe he just so happened to scan The Penguin last night?

I'm not completely against our course of action, I just think there may yet be better things to do for this day. And hey, if we get nothing, lynch Karesh, and he turns out to be scum or something, hey, cool. Egg on my face, but we learn something other than "yep, he's Killer Croc, alright."
I have these kinds of questions and considerations, so I just want us to slow down a step. There's still people who haven't posted yet, like Ravashak and Nique.

[Oron]

Why have I been saying Killer Croc? I totally meant "Karesh as Clay Face". I got him mixed up with IC's role claim. My apologies.

[Inbred Chocobo]

Okay, so these are the possibilities.

1.) Nikose and Karesh are scum and Gem spotted them.
2.) Gem is scum and Nikose and Karesh are not.
3.) Nikose either has an investigation role, or knows more about roles than ever let on, and knew about the penguin and decided to roleclaim that one as defense, which Gem called him out on, and Karesh is innocent.
4.) Nikose, Karesh, and Gem are innocent, and Gem's one shot-investigation role is busted (doubtful honestly, but there)
5.) ???
6.) Profit

If we Lynch Karesh, that elimnates all but possibility 3. If we lynch Gem, well there is a chance that on death, his one shot role is revealed but not defined as scum. If we lynch Nikose, then all possibilities are answered.

Unvote: Karesh

I sort of want to wait till the next day and then just lynch Nikose then, and pursue other opportunities now, as even if we lynch Karesh, there is still doubt in the air, and if we lynch Gem, then there is still doubt, but if we lynch Nikose, there isn't doubt at all.

[Inbred Chocobo]

Wait, that was bad. If we lynch Nikose, then number 4 is still in doubt. Still though, I prefer to go after Nikose still, as I have serious doubt about number 4. I mean, the other option would be someone has the ability to corrupt an action, but I'm not 100% certain.

[Bard The 5th LW]

Isn't Tim Drake some sort of ace detective? Maybe Nik started out with some given info that let him roleclaim penguin.

[Inbred Chocobo]

Isn't Tim Drake some sort of ace detective? Maybe Nik started out with some given info that let him roleclaim penguin.

That, right there. See, we are in a game where the mafia is Batman and Co. I mean, flavor wise Batman has always been a detective and doing investigative kinds of thing. Heck, he probably has a database of people to refer to. Him having a list of roles, or maybe even a list of non-existant roles, isn't actually that far-fetched as it would first seem.

So I mean Nikose knowing to claim that role doesn't actually sound that bad anymore, and I would hate to lynch Karesh, have him turn up town, mafia wins, and then Nikose be scum.

Then that would explain both why Karesh and Gem don't have a clue, but if that is the case, then who to go after, hmmmmmmm.

[Aldurin]

1. Geminex Claimed Riddler: 1-shot investigative
2. Bard The 5th LW
3. Nikose Tyris Claimed Penguin, Currently Frozen
4. Aldurin Claimed Thomas Elliot: Miller
5. Hawk, Bane Arkham Asylum aligned Incarcerated Night 1.
6. Mr. Bookworm
7. Inbred Chocobo Claimed Killer Croc: Vanilla
8. Gregness
9. Fenris, Professor Jonathan Crane (The Scarecrow - Roleblocker) Arkham Asylum aligned Killed Night 1.
10. greed
11. Ravashak
12. IHateMakingNames, Cyrus Gold (Solomon Grundy - BG) Arkham Asylum aligned Lynched Day 1.
13. BahamutFlare
14. Oron
15. MariusTwilight
16. Nique
17. KareshWithAMoustache Claimed Clayface
18. Hawk2 (originally Revolving Ocelot)
19. P-Sleazy

This is what we currently know. I say we just start going through with roleclaims 1-by-1 and start picking out fake claims through counterclaiming and/or character obscurity. This way we get more people actually posting and get some attention to the inactives (I'm looking at you, P-sleazy).

[Karrrrrrrrrrrresche]

That, right there. See, we are in a game where the mafia is Batman and Co. I mean, flavor wise Batman has always been a detective and doing investigative kinds of thing. Heck, he probably has a database of people to refer to. Him having a list of roles, or maybe even a list of non-existant roles, isn't actually that far-fetched as it would first seem.

So I mean Nikose knowing to claim that role doesn't actually sound that bad anymore, and I would hate to lynch Karesh, have him turn up town, mafia wins, and then Nikose be scum.

Then that would explain both why Karesh and Gem don't have a clue, but if that is the case, then who to go after, hmmmmmmm.


Thinking about it for the long haul I think (Totally biased since I'm about to DIE but I still think it!) we have some sort of investigative role aside from Gem. Whoever it is just needs to at some point investigate me, and then at a time of their choosing, after they've compiled a fair list of townies/scum they reveal.

Just like in the MLP Mafia, maintaining a strong bloc of town aligned confirms can be more important that power roles.

All they'd need to do is investigate me.

[Aldurin]

Wait wait wait. I'm thinking about Gem's claim. Having a 1-shot investigative is weird, but it would be a good scum claim since people wouldn't be demanding to know what your scan got each day, as that would make the claim progressively weaker. As it is, every townie lynch is a benefit to scum, and scrutiny on an investigative claim would lessen on the logic of "If he only gets 1 investigation, then he can't continue to mislead us so why would he say that." I see this claim as a way to ensure that scum gets another period of no losses, making it even harder for town to recover.

Vote: Geminex

There's just too much wrong about this, especially with the natures of each claim involved in this.

[Bard The 5th LW]

Not really. It would be a bad claim to make if you weren't already in desperation because Town would turn on you the very moment your investigation proves false.

[Moogle0119]

greed, Mr. Bookworm, and P-Sleazy

You three need to start posting more or I'll start looking for replacements.

[P-Sleazy]

What? I'm here!-ish.

Also,

VOTE: Inbred Chocobo

I don't like the way he's been "orchestrating" Nikose, Gem and Karesh all being interlinked somehow, or how if one ends up this way, then the other two must be that way. Now yes, one of the three is likely mafia, but lynching one to "prove" this is rediculous (I can't spell). Lynching one will tell us that person's role and regardless of whether it supports IC's theory or not, its probably not going to pan out. I feel like this is a way for him to make town go after atleast 2 people, waste two days (maybe even three assuming the vig doesn't hit the other two), and not get anything accomplished.

[BahamutFlare]

Wait wait wait. I'm thinking about Gem's claim. Having a 1-shot investigative is weird, but it would be a good scum claim since people wouldn't be demanding to know what your scan got each day, as that would make the claim progressively weaker. As it is, every townie lynch is a benefit to scum, and scrutiny on an investigative claim would lessen on the logic of "If he only gets 1 investigation, then he can't continue to mislead us so why would he say that." I see this claim as a way to ensure that scum gets another period of no losses, making it even harder for town to recover.

Vote: Geminex

There's just too much wrong about this, especially with the natures of each claim involved in this.

I hate this because I can never get a fix on Gem. It's quite possible that Gem is lying. But even when he was mafia in other games, (Nikose's and Hats) I have always assumed that he was town. And I kinda am doing the same thing this game.

IC, are you proposing a no lynch vote? Or am I misinterpreting? Or do you just not know?

[Nique]

Wow. This game is turning into a serious commitment.

I still think we need to look at what happened with IHMN's lynch but if we're not going in that direction my questions are 1) why would Mr. Freeze jail Nikose after Gem's roleclaim and 2) what was the benefit to karesh in revealing his role in light of Nikose's roleclaim?

I guess that might be an overall question we need to start focusing on: Who benefits the most (theoretically, within the possible and known roles)?

[Karrrrrrrrrrrresche]

what was the benefit to karesh in revealing his role in light of Nikose's roleclaim?

I couldn't fathom how else Nikose would come to know the role name and its purpose other than being that role. Given that I would, you know... die. If Nikose were telling the truth and were then lynched, I felt something of an obligation to defend him.

[Geminex]

Okay. This should be simple.
There's the argument that Karesh's claim might be genuine. The only way this would work, logically, is if one of us is actually the penguin. Nikose could, I suppose, have investigated the penguin at night, and then claimed the penguin's role in astounding detail. I find that strange myself, since, when I investigated, all I got was alignment and flavor.

But okay, let's go with that! Maybe there is a penguin around.

But if there is, I've got two questions. First, why didn't they counterclaim when Nikose claimed?
And second, why haven't they claimed yet?
(Edit: Third question: Why the hell would Nikose claim a role that he knew existed?)

If someone does claim penguin and can persuade us that they actually are the penguin, and not just scum trying to save Karesh's half-ass, that's cool. I'll unvote karesh.

But until then, I really think that karesh is our best possible target right now.
I get that people don't wanna end the day early, and that is cool. We should get in as much discussion as possible. But when we're down to the last few hours, I really hope people do the smart thing.

Re: Me being scum, all I can say is what I've said before. Scum wouldn't reveal themselves like this. Neither Nikose nor Karesh are high-value targets (as far as I know). And as for the accusation that I just wanna get another townie lynch in to force you guys to your knees, I am pretty sure you were already lynching a townie (IC). So there's no reason I'd be doing this if I was scum.

And in regards to people worried that I'm wrong, gah. All I can say is that I think my nikose-conclusion fits the pattern we've seen from him. I've also checked the flavor, and, apparently, the hush storyline features the riddler using a lazarus pit to cure himself of cancer. The result of this immersion is temporary psychosis, in the course of which he correctly deduces the identity of batman as bruce wane. Correctly. Which totally fits my role.


So you people who're saying that my being wrong would fit the storyline? I have no idea what the hell you're on about.