Assassin's Creed 3: America! Fuck Yeah!

[Arcanum]

So AC3 art has started to pop up on the internet, with a rumored official reveal on March 5th more information coming out on Monday according to Destructoid who said Ubisoft officially confirmed this, although I'm too lazy to find where Ubisoft did so.

http://i.imgur.com/tcfmS.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/rfaJK.jpg

Looks like AC3 will be happening during the war of independence, with the new assassin potentially being part native american (that or he's just partial to using a tomahawk and bow).

Also apparently the game has been in development for three years, so we might be seeing the same kind of overhaul that happened between AC1 and AC2 (which will probably be the only thing that will convince me to buy the game when it releases in October).

edit- Also apparently Game Informer briefly had this http://i.imgur.com/03mJk.jpg

[Locke cole]

You know, when you consider the eagle motif with the other two assassins, it was really only a matter of time.

[Solid Snake]

...We get to kick British ass and fight for 'Murica alongside George bleepin' Washington?!?!

...Best game ever
Or at least, best game of 2012

[Melfice]

You know, when you consider the eagle motif with the other two assassinsvideo games, it was really only a matter of time.

Fixed that for you.
Because 9/10 AAA titles ends up in or about the US somehow.

I have absolutely no reason not to expect Abstergo fuelling the British on, while the Assassins are behind the US.
Making this one of those "America, Fuck Yeah" things.

Ugh.

I'd be happily surprised if it turns out the other way.

[Solid Snake]

Fixed that for you.
Because 9/10 AAA titles ends up in or about the US somehow.

I have absolutely no reason not to expect Abstergo fuelling the British on, while the Assassins are behind the US.
Making this one of those "America, Fuck Yeah" things.

Ugh.

I'd be happily surprised if it turns out the other way.

I'd be extremely disappointed if it turned out the other way.

But no in all honesty one of the few things I liked about the original Assassin's Creed, which was otherwise a mediocre experience, was how there were Templars and Assassins on both sides of the conflict, so there weren't any clear-defined boundaries between 'good' and 'evil.'
I'm guessing AC3 will have the same motifs; some Brits are good, some Brits are bad, some Americans are good, some Americans are bad.

...Also the protag is almost certainly at least part American Indian because the only stereotype more likely to appear in this game than the conservative "America Fuck Yeah!" is the slightly more justifiable but still kind-of-annoying liberal counter-reaction of "Native Americans were the only decent people back then (and we're going to completely gloss over their faults and present them as nature-loving peace-making colonial era elfs.)"

EDIT: Also, the criticism that "9/10 games are about America" and therefore this game is cliche would be more valid if there was like, ever, in the history of the universe, a vidjagame released before that had you play as an American during the Revolution.
...I honestly can't remember one.

If anything, I think "middle ages Europe" has been overused twenty times more than just about every era of historic America before WW2.

[Arcanum]

Well Desmond had to end up in America somehow.

Also if this new assassin is indeed part Native-American, then we could be seeing the war form that point of view instead of from a pro-American, fuck the British perspective.

Also also, the Templars tend to have their claws in everything, so it's possible both the American side and British side will have enemy agents that will need to "dealt with."

Also also also, Ubisoft isn't an American company, so they have no reason to be all "Merika! Fuck yeah!"

[Locke cole]

Well it looks like Awahili, or whatever our new Assassin is going to be named, has some Native American heritage, but is also fighting against Redcoats, so it could really go both ways.

Watch it turn out that Ol' GW was really only after the Star of Mendroceszaga or whatever the new Piece of Eden is.

[Osterbaum]

Also also also, Ubisoft isn't an American company, so they have no reason to be all "Merika! Fuck yeah!"
Yes they do. The North-American market.

[Melfice]

Also also also, Ubisoft isn't an American company, so they have no reason to be all "Merika! Fuck yeah!"

Unfortunately, " 'Merika! Fuck Yeah!" sells.

Also, I should have probably said "recent AAA titles". And maybe then it's in my imagination, but it does seem like it's a thing.
Because you know how the "US is teh fcucking awsum lolzers"!!!

Eh... regardless. I'm miffed. There's so many places they could have gone before ending up in America for Desmond's sake.
EDIT: South-Africa could have been interesting too. The whole slave trade and/or Apartheid would have made an interesting setting for the whole Assassin vs. Templar thing.

[Solid Snake]

Well it looks like Awahili, or whatever our new Assassin is going to be named, has some Native American heritage, but is also fighting against Redcoats, so it could really go both ways.

Watch it turn out that Ol' GW was really only after the Star of Mendroceszaga or whatever the new Piece of Eden is.

If there's one hate I hate about AC canon it's how, like, every remotely decent historic figure with the apparent exception of Leonardo da Vinci (who was just naturally a genius) were card-carrying Assassins and Templars members using all-powerful artifacts to do everything they did.

It reinforces this eerily conservative narrative of "In order to become someone important, you have to be special and you can't be an everyday peon," insofar as the only historic figures who ever accomplished anything were either Assassins or Templars, and it also thoroughly dismisses anything they've ever done as some crazy ploy for a series of all-powerful MacGuffins. No character except Da Vinci is just a smart, hard-working diligent dude who deserves to get where he is, and all knowledge humanity's ever attained is just because Alien Gods and Goddesses gave it to us or some shit.

[Loyal]

I thought this was a joke and/or fanart when Liz posted the image in chat. That said, I'll repeat what I said then:

Where will you find all the incredibly tall buildings to leap off from?

[Aldurin]

I don't know what will be better, this game or the Two Best Friends Play episode for this game.

[Arcanum]

Buildings are so 15th century. Trees are where it's at.

[Solid Snake]

I thought this was a joke and/or fanart when Liz posted the image in chat. That said, I'll repeat what I said then:

Where will you find all the incredibly tall buildings to leap off from?

I'm guessing AC3 is going to rely on very different gameplay mechanics than anything we've seen in AC before, because there simply weren't very tall buildings in most cities and even the tallest church in Philadelphia won't instill many thrills.

Also: From now on I'm going to bitch incessantly about every middle-ages Europe title released. How dare vidjagame companies spend so much time trying to placate the French, British, Italian and German markets! :P

Where's our America: Total War, Creative Assemblies? Freakin' biased British, spending all that time with Europe and Japan. What about us?

[Locke cole]

I don't know what will be better, this game or the Two Best Friends Play episode for this game.

I wonder if they'll play it up, or hide it until the last moment, like with Captain America.

And of course, I don't think that one even needs to wait to know exactly what the inevitable Zero Punctuation is going to be like...

[Professor Smarmiarty]

I hope 90% of the missions involve ringing up a french assassin to do your killing for you.

[Locke cole]

It will have the same recruitment mechanics as Brotherhood, except all your recruits are French.

I mean, who didn't abuse Arrow Storms and such.

[Osterbaum]

Snake, you can't possibly think that more games are based in locales culturally/geographically more important to Europeans than to locales culturally/geographically important North-Americans.

[Kim]

Fuck America.

[Osterbaum]

Fuck it up the Freedom Hole.

[Ryong]

I'm guessing AC3 is going to rely on very different gameplay mechanics than anything we've seen in AC before, because there simply weren't very tall buildings in most cities and even the tallest church in Philadelphia won't instill many thrills.

Also: From now on I'm going to bitch incessantly about every middle-ages Europe title released. How dare vidjagame companies spend so much time trying to placate the French, British, Italian and German markets! :P

Where's our America: Total War, Creative Assemblies? Freakin' biased British, spending all that time with Europe and Japan. What about us?

I dare you to find a game that takes place in a country in South America that can't be defined as "some kind of jungle where you fight drug lords" or in a bizarre version of Rio with like, monkeys running around or something.

[Kim]

Anyway, the difference between previous Assassin's Creed and this is that a significant portion of their market wasn't culturally and politically invested in "This side is good guys; This side is bad guys" regarding those locales and time periods. Certainly not to the extent the American market is regarding America's revisionist history. Even if they attempt to portray it "fairly", it's still going to end up being revisionist as fuck just to avoid upsetting the core demographic too much.

[Solid Snake]

Snake, you can't possibly think that more games are based in locales culturally/geographically more important to Europeans than to locales culturally/geographically important North-Americans.

Depends on the genre, really.
I'd accept a "western bias" critique more easily than an "American bias" critique, because there's a much stronger argument to be made that western civilization, from Greco-Roman times to basically here and now, has benefited from more exposure than 'Murica, which has only existed since 1776, or 15-something if you count the British colonies.

But really, the 'Murica-hate in regards to a Revolutionary War era game is what I'm construing as misguided. Lord knows there are far too many WW2 and modern-era games starring American protagonists (if not in American locales), but like, in terms of pre-WW2 American games there's been...Red Dead Redemption and a couple other westerns?

I actually think the Revolutionary War / colonial / Civil War eras have been underrepresented in vidjagames, and so it's exciting to me that I finally get to play a game in that era because it's an era of history I've really enjoyed learning about.

...That being said if you want to say like "Damn, there aren't enough vidjagames about Ancient Egypt / Mongolia in the era of the Khans / historic China / medieval Mali / Spanish colonial South America," yeah, I won't disagree with you! There should be more games in those eras.

It's kind of silly as the forum's only remotely "patriotic" American how anything starring anyone related to America immediately is kneejerkingly attacked as patriotic pro-American bullshit before there's even any context to how America's presented, though. For all we know this game will be extremely critical of all the things America's fucked up, ranging from a frank depiction of slavery to Templars being all racist sexist fuckwits to Native Americans being presented as the Only Remotely Decent People In Town. Again, based on how the AC crew presented the Templars and Assassins in the era of the Crusades, I'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt and assume that America's not going to be presented as bunch of amazing tolerant people oppressed by the eeeevvviiillll Brits.

EDIT: I mean it's not like America was presented as much of a paradise in Red Dead Redemption, which was extremely critical of all of 'Murica's bullshit western mythology, and that sold quite well here.

[Osterbaum]

Anyway, the difference between previous Assassin's Creed and this is that a significant portion of their market wasn't culturally and politically invested in "This side is good guys; This side is bad guys"
Very few people were culturally or politically invested in any of the previous locales either. Too far back in history and not important enough events.

[Solid Snake]

Anyway, the difference between previous Assassin's Creed and this is that a significant portion of their market wasn't culturally and politically invested in "This side is good guys; This side is bad guys" regarding those locales and time periods. Certainly not to the extent the American market is regarding America's revisionist history. Even if they attempt to portray it "fairly", it's still going to end up being revisionist as fuck just to avoid upsetting the core demographic too much.

Liz, Liz you're a redcoat loyalist?
Liz, you're breaking my heart.

I'm all down for reassessing American history under a more liberal lens and identifying racism and sexism and greed where it existed, but fuck I'd still sign up under George Washington to kick some Redcoat ass back then, and the Founding Fathers were still Aces.
Clearly I am still a pathetic brainwashed soul, to believe in such things as representative democracy as a superior system over deity-ordained monarchy and whatnot.

Don't mind me now, I'll spend the next few days in NPF's designated "you don't kneejerkingly hate everything about America? FUCK YOU" jail cell.



EDIT: I should probably include a note here that I'm just joshin' around, right?
And have in fact just been mostly joshin' around since my not-entirely-serious initial "Fuck yeah 'Murica!" post?

[Kim]

The subtext to your joke is still pretty insulting.

[Solid Snake]

The subtext to your joke is still pretty insulting.

How so?

[Professor Smarmiarty]

I'm all down for reassessing American history under a more liberal lens and identifying racism and sexism and greed where it existed, but fuck I'd still sign up under George Washington to kick some Redcoat ass back then, and the Founding Fathers were still Aces.
Clearly I am still a pathetic brainwashed soul, to believe in such things as representative democracy as a superior system over deity-ordained monarchy and whatnot.


You see while you may be joking this is the kind of thign that could be presented straightfaced in a game without anyone batting an eye despite it being hilariously wrong.

[MSperoni]

I think someone should make an American Revolutionary History game that glorifies the period in the same way samurai era is glorified in Japanese games. Like.. I wanna see a Sengoku Basara 3 type game set during the Revolutionary period.

Like....Franklin riding around on a giant mech, etc.

EDIT:

I also want to see Washington drive a Nascar through a British Ship that then explodes.


EDIT2: I really enjoy American History like Snake does, so I'm very excited at the idea of an AC game set during the Revolutionary War period.

[Locke cole]

Like....Franklin riding around on a giant mech

Powered by lightning conducted from a kite!

[Karrrrrrrrrrrresche]

I'm guessing AC3 is going to rely on very different gameplay mechanics than anything we've seen in AC before, because there simply weren't very tall buildings in most cities and even the tallest church in Philadelphia won't instill many thrills.

Also: From now on I'm going to bitch incessantly about every middle-ages Europe title released. How dare vidjagame companies spend so much time trying to placate the French, British, Italian and German markets! :P

Where's our America: Total War, Creative Assemblies? Freakin' biased British, spending all that time with Europe and Japan. What about us?

Empire Total War's main campaign/tutorial is focused on the American Revolution.

America is essentially an unstoppable juggernaut in that game because most of the AI focuses on defending their home territories, since if they lose those they lose.
By my estimation, you really, geniunely must be the worst Total War player in history to lose as America in Empire Total War.

[Solid Snake]

It's not like the United Provinces (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dutch_Republic) didn't totally do America's thing before America did.

...And yes, the fact that I know that is intended to portray to you the fact that my "representative democracy vs. deity-ordained monarchy" joke was a joke.

I mean it's one of those half-true Fifthfiend knocking Chrono Cross 'jokes' where I'm just exaggerating something that's actually true, namely that my preference for democratic institutions and my respect for (most, NOT all) of the Founding Fathers would have led me to join the Revolutionary War on the American side had I ended up there by some accident of time travel.

...But it was still a joke. And I'm surprised my overuse of 'Murica instead of America didn't display that in spades.
But 'Murica invented everything you guys

[Professor Smarmiarty]

But even your "true facts" are horrible distortions of the respective motives of the founding father, the political system of britain in the 18th century and the political system set up b the founding fathers.
Like you can't just be like "Oh I was totally joking about my horrible distortions of history....but they are still all true". The monarchy hadn't had any real power in Britain since 1688, the founding fathers were terrified of democracy which is precisely why they put fuck loads of measurses in place to prevent the people from having significant power, nd they were more concerned with replaced their british superiors with themselves as superiors.

[Solid Snake]

But even your "true facts" are horrible distortions of the respective motives of the founding father, the political system of britain in the 18th century and the political system set up b the founding fathers.
Like you can't just be like "Oh I was totally joking about my horrible distortions of history....but they are still all true".

Well, in my defense, I'm not a communist and I respectfully disagree with you on many of your historical opinions that are likely informed by your sociopolitical perspectives?
Like, I get it, you've ranted and raved for years now about how much you despise the Founding Fathers and we've been down that road before. Disagreeing with you is not akin to conceding defeat, unless you truly are the type of person who's conveniently operating under the belief that you are absolutely right about everything and everyone who ever disagrees with you is a filthy corporatist.

...But no, none of my exaggerated comments were intended to sound like nuanced portrayals of American society in the colonial era, as I'm not writing a term paper here, I'm making a joke! When Fifthfiend bashes Chrono Cross, he doesn't have to preliminary specify that CC had an incredible soundtrack and great graphics but..., because he's not giving you a thorough review of the game, he's just bashing Chrono Cross.

[Doc ock rokc]

I cant wait to see how they tie the assassins in with the Stone masons.

[MSperoni]

Powered by lightning conducted from a kite!

I've got other things worked out too!

John Hancock would be the "little guy with the huge weapon" in it (either a sword or a musket or whatever).

Benjamin Rush would be a creepy guy obsessed with blood. Like a vampire.

Hamilton would be the bishie at odds with Jefferson, who would also be a bishie. There would be sexual tension between the two for shipping purposes.

The non-American forces would be the BAD GUYS. No grey lines at all. King George would be like Nobunaga, a devil summoning fiend who tricked the colonists into adopting slavery....actually there may not be slavery. I think we'll just pretend all the Africans are here as "employees" or they never came to the country at all. Any reports to the contrary is part of the Liberal Agenda. *la la la I can't hear you la la la*

I mean, c'mon, someone needs to make my game here.

EDIT: or I need to do a Dreadful spinoff set in the Fantasy Revolution times.

[Professor Smarmiarty]

Well, in my defense, I'm not a communist and I respectfully disagree with you on many of your historical opinions that are likely informed by your sociopolitical perspectives?




But you see my opinion is backed up by a significant group of professional historians whereas yours is based on conservative mythologies that were made up to advance their own political agendas.

But the early presidents were boss. They are significant players in E Pluribus Murder!

[Locke cole]

Sorry, you say Nobunaga, and my mind wandered to Pokémon.

[Solid Snake]

Matt
Matt you didn't get message
You're not supposed to joke about that
They might seriously think you're suggesting that King George worshiped Satan!!!

But you see my opinion is backed up by a significant group of professional historians whereas yours is based on Republican mythologies that were made up to advance their own political agendas.

My opinion is also backed up by a significant group of professional historians and not all of them are Republicans!
I mean I'm fairly certain there are in fact Democrats out there who do not in fact kneejerkingly hate everything America is and was and has ever done.
If not, then a lot of Democrats have lied about their opinions of America when running for election!

[Kim]

I'm looking forward to the guy with three bayonets on his gun, all of them several feet long.

[BitVyper]

Also: From now on I'm going to bitch incessantly about every middle-ages Europe title released. How dare vidjagame companies spend so much time trying to placate the French, British, Italian and German markets! :P

Good. That's a perfectly valid complaint and a legitimate reason. Fantasy needs to quit that shit.

Edit: Here's hoping that both sides are evil and first nations or slaves are the heroes.

[MSperoni]

I'm looking forward to the guy with three bayonets on his gun, all of them several feet long.

He wields TWO. One in each hand like giant claws. (Like Masamune Date). Maybe that can be....hmmm... Nathaniel Green? He was like OUR BADASS GENERAL though, so maybe he needs a more "smart guy" character.


Obviously Henry Knox is "the fat guy".

Matt
you're suggesting that King George worshiped Satan!!!



Also I didn't say "Satan" I mean "demons". All of them.

[Professor Smarmiarty]

It's not europes fault that all the elves and dwarves and wizards were running around their backyard during that time.

[Karrrrrrrrrrrresche]

I'm looking forward to the guy with three bayonets on his gun, all of them several feet long.

And George Washington doesn't cross the Deleware, he punches it apart.

[Kim]

I thought he ran across it by going super fast.

[Karrrrrrrrrrrresche]

I thought he ran across it by going super fast.

Paul Revere is the fast one. Washington is inhumanly strong and can take any amount of small arms fire or cannon shells without stopping.

[Kim]

Oh right, Revere was the fireball slinging wizard, too, right?

[MSperoni]

I think we need to go crazy and have Nathaniel Green be the central character of this game.

Washington can be like the old austere guy that Green looks up to and can't hope to match. Like Nathaniel Green is the Raiden to Washington's Solid Snake.

[Karrrrrrrrrrrresche]

He runs out into the ocean and lights two of the British ships on fire, before running back to shore and then across the country to warn everyone in a single night.


I think we need to go crazy and have Nathaniel Green be the central character of this game.

Washington can be like the old austere guy that Green looks up to and can't hope to match. Like Nathaniel Green is the Raiden to Washington's Solid Snake.

You mean the Sanada to Washington's Shingen.

[Locke cole]

Assassin's Creed is sort of a low-tech Metal Gear anyway...

[MSperoni]

He just yells "THE BRITISH ARE COMING" and the echo of his voice awakens all of America. Like a sonic boom.

[Professor Smarmiarty]

Benedict arnold has to be the main villain.

[Karrrrrrrrrrrresche]

Shit now I'm really getting tempted to burn some of the ridiculous freetime I have writing something like this.

What would it even be? Revolutionary War fanfiction?


Benedict arnold has to be the main villain.


Benedict is the noble warrior who sees that the Revolution won't survive with him and Washington around at once, so he swaps sides and has a climactic final battle in Pennsylvania while all the soldiers of both armies look on in awe and fear.

[Locke cole]

"From my point of view, the Revolution is foolish!"
"Then you are lost!"

[Doc ock rokc]

Benedict arnold has to be the main villain.

I was just thinking that he has to play some sort of major role.

[MSperoni]

You mean the Sanada to Washington's Shingen.

That's a much better comparison!

Just imagine: This (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r4upHp9aCQU) only with American Revolutionary People.

EDIT: I think Benedict Arnold would be Washington's protege until Nathaniel Green comes along. Benedict then gets jealous of the attention Washington is paying to Green, then switches sides "just to show him how good he is."

Obviously there would be sexual tension...for shipping purposes.

[Karrrrrrrrrrrresche]

"Benedict, why?! Why betray the Colonies... our ideals! You said to me once you only desired a free, peaceful land!"

"You're weak, Washington... too weak. Men like me, and that bastard King George... we have no place in this world to come, but if this republic... if Democracy itself is to survive, you must become stronger! I wont allow you to destroy what we've built with that soft heartedness! If I must be the villain of this chapter in history, so be it! Come, Washington! Fight! And then... defeat me!"

[Ryong]

Don't forget about the secret character who's some native american dude with giant twin tomahawks.

Clearly this is the best thr-

wait.

wait wait wait.

Chrono Cross

ARE YOU BITCHING ABOUT CHRONO CROSS, SNAKE? ARE YOU?

Onward with the joking.

[Solid Snake]

Karesh I will pay you $50 to write that fanfiction

[Kim]

Not that anyone needs reminding, but the characters all gotta wear tight, revealing, flamboyant clothes.

[Aldurin]

Every argument against having AC set in america.

I feel like this debate will go the same way when Uncharted inevitably gets a game with some American place as part of the setting/legend.

[Kim]

What really needs to happen is for this to be a webcomic miniseries.

[Ramary]

Karesh I will pay you $50 to write that fanfiction

You will also have to pay me some money since I seem to help Karesh write EVERYTHING. Call it an editor's cut.

[Ryong]

Not that anyone needs reminding, but the characters all gotta wear tight, revealing, flamboyant clothes.

You forgot that someone needs to show their crazy abs that nearly have abs on them.

[Karrrrrrrrrrrresche]

Not that anyone needs reminding, but the characters all gotta wear tight, revealing, flamboyant clothes.

With wigs that go on for fucking yards, in most cases.

Revere can run through a town in five seconds, but his wig takes two minutes to catch up.


You will also have to pay me some money since I seem to help Karesh write EVERYTHING. Call it an editor's cut.

Buuuuuulllshiiiiiiit.

[Kim]

Hot springs episode where they all try to prove who is the manliest.

[Solid Snake]

I just want a Hamilton / Jefferson yaoi relationship
Is that too much to ask?

[Karrrrrrrrrrrresche]

I just want a Hamilton / Jefferson yaoi relationship
Is that too much to ask?

They never get into a proper relationship, but neither can deny they look forward to meeting the other for their next fight.

[Kim]

I just want a Hamilton / Jefferson yaoi relationship
Is that too much to ask?

Yes, but they will nude wrestle in the hot springs episode and accidentally kiss.

[Solid Snake]

Yes, but they will nude wrestle in the hot springs episode and accidentally kiss.

Followed by an awkward giggle by the slightly anti-social, introspective, submissive Jefferson...
...and for the overly sociable, dominant Hamilton to scowl and dismiss the episode as an 'accident' due to his desperate need to mask his homosexual inclinations with his 'manly' economic policies, right?

[Kim]

No, Jefferson blushes, looks away, and says, "Hamilton... I never knew you felt that way about me..."

[MSperoni]

Betsy Ross has like GIANT tits.

EDIT: Or is super lolita. Like...she looks/acts like she's eleven and has SUPER ENTHUSIASM about everything.

[Solid Snake]

...And then Hamilton shuts him down Jane Crocker style, secretly hating himself as he voices a strenuous and forced objection?

[Karrrrrrrrrrrresche]

So we know the overarching plot is the defeat of the British. But unless the British are making a direct play against the Colonies at that particular moment everyone is more than happy to fight amongst themselves. Over how the country should be run after the war, whether they should fight the war at all, and what they should have for dinner.

[Kim]

Of course. Also, George Washington doesn't die of natural causes. He's murdered.

[Solid Snake]

So we know the overarching plot is the defeat of the British. But unless the British are making a direct play against the Colonies at that particular moment everyone is more than happy to fight amongst themselves. Over how the country should be run after the war, whether they should fight the war at all, and what they should have for dinner.

Karesh I'm sorry you didn't get the memo but this is now Jefferson / Hamilton yaoi fanfiction
Seriously who gives a damn about the fighting anymore

[Karrrrrrrrrrrresche]

Of course. Also, George Washington doesn't die of natural causes. He's murdered.

By a zealous follower of Benedict who was too blinded by his own worship of Benedict to ever understand how the man truly felt.
Though George could easily crush the assassin in an instant with his massive power, Washington spends his final moments explaining why Benedict did what he did to the young man, hoping that he will act as the Benedict for Nathaniel, if the need ever arises.

[Kim]

You can only have the yaoi fanfics after the original comes out and teases but never confirms a relationship. Duh.

[MSperoni]

Of course. Also, George Washington doesn't die of natural causes. He's murdered.

He turns bad and eventually takes the name Big George.

Then it's up to Solid Adams to take him down. (or maybe Nathaniel Green, if we're gonna continue that plot thread)

[Solid Snake]

You can only have the yaoi fanfics after the original comes out and teases but never confirms a relationship. Duh.

Liz aren't you a fucking goddamn progressive
Why the hell can't we have canon yaoi romance in our vidjagames

[Kim]

Snake you just don't understand the arbitrary and meaningless rules established by shounen ai manga many centuries ago.

[Karrrrrrrrrrrresche]

There's a science to this shit you can't just throw things around willy nilly.

[Solid Snake]

I don't care about the goddamn rules
I just want my Jefferson / Hamilton canon yaoi romance, dammit

Seriously they'd make such a cute couple
This is now my yaoi OTP

[Karrrrrrrrrrrresche]

No snake you don't understand the science man. The reaction would be too strong.

Unless, of course, Jefferson is a trap.

[Arcanum]

Holy crap I go to write a midterm and this thread explodes. Don't you people have things to do on a thursday afternoon??

[MSperoni]

You can't have a "fanfic" if there's nothing to be a "fan" of.

Don't you people have things to do on a thursday afternoon??

Yes, actually. I have Atomic Robo pages to color but SCREW THEM. AMERICAN REVOLUTIONARY BASARA YAAAY!

No really I need to get back to work....they need to be like...totally done by the middle of next week :P

[Solid Snake]

http://phillips.blogs.com/goc/jefham.jpg

"Why, Mr. Hamilton. We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of True Love."

"Mr. Jefferson, are you...are you saying..."

"...You know what I'm saying, Alex."

[Kim]

Addendum: their relationship can become canon if they're soon after forced to fight to the death.

[Karrrrrrrrrrrresche]

It is only as they fight to the death for the soul of their country that they can admit their love.

Such is the gentle cruelty of fate. That these two are forever intertwined, but can only truly connect at their end.

[MSperoni]

"Hamilton...meet my vice-president. Aaron Burr!"

DUN DUN DUUUUUN

[Solid Snake]

Addendum: their relationship can become canon if they're soon after forced to fight to the death.

Oh hey it's an anime reference I actually understand
Those are relatively rare

...But given the fact that Hamilton and Jefferson did metaphorically fight (to Hamilton's death) we might as well include that in and make them canon.

...Only Jefferson can't quite pull the trigger after Hamilton's down, so Aaron Burr shows up and does it instead, leading to Jefferson's inevitable mental breakdown

[Locke cole]

And then Not-Ezio stabs him and takes the Piece of Eden.

[Ramary]

And then Not-Ezio stabs him and takes the Piece of Eden.

This stopped being an asscreed thread PAGES ago man, get with the times.

[Locke cole]

Oh, I'll get with the times, all right...

[Solid Snake]

Liz
Liz do any of your sources of yaoi include Hamilton / Jefferson yaoi
Like are there pictures on the interwebs
This is a question that DESPERATELY demands an answer

[Kim]

How should I know? I'm to busy shipping Germany x Italy.

[Mr.Bookworm]

Liz
Liz do any of your sources of yaoi include Hamilton / Jefferson yaoi
Like are there pictures on the interwebs
This is a question that DESPERATELY demands an answer

http://fc05.deviantart.net/fs22/f/2007/351/b/d/Jefferson_x_Hamilton_by_digitalcorrosion.jpg

[Solid Snake]

Bookie
Bookie you are amazing
<3

[Tev]

Yes, actually. I have Atomic Robo pages to color but SCREW THEM. AMERICAN REVOLUTIONARY BASARA YAAAY!Hey Matt, I just wanted you to know that when I read this line, my brain auto-corrected "Atomic Robo" to "How I Killed Your Master," and for all of a few seconds I felt joy. Now my soul's tears could fill a teapot to the brim with pity water.

[Ryong]

Hey Matt, I just wanted you to know that when I read this line, my brain auto-corrected "Atomic Robo" to "How I Killed Your Master," and for all of a few seconds I felt joy. Now my soul's tears could fill a teapot to the brim with pity water.

;_;7

[CelesJessa]

I'd just like to point out that American Revolution yaoi fanfiction isn't exactly new. (http://archiveofourown.org/tags/American%20Revolution%20RPF/works)

Don't ask why I knew right where to find that.

[Fifthfiend]

I am asking you why you knew right where to find that.

I formally and hereby demand an answer to this question.

[BitVyper]

I am asking you why you knew right where to find that.

I formally and hereby demand an answer to this question.

Fifthfiend, allow me to formally introduce you to CelesJessa, since this is clearly the first time you've met.

[CelesJessa]

I am asking you why you knew right where to find that.

I formally and hereby demand an answer to this question.

I like looking for terrible fanfiction. (Did you know that there are over 2500 fanfictions written about Adam Lambert?)

[Seil]

http://v.cdn.cad-comic.com/comics/cad-20100329-bd73f.jpg

[Solid Snake]

Seil did you...
...did you just post a work of Tim Buckley's here
MY EYES, THEY BURN

In other news what disappoints me about CelesJessa's link is the fact that Washington / Hamilton is apparently more popular than Jefferson / Hamilton
I mean what the hell, yaoi authors
Am I going to have to write Hamilton / Jefferson fanfiction because of this? Maybe.

[Solid Snake]

...Okay, nevermind, I now officially ship Hamilton and Washington (http://archiveofourown.org/works/299861)
I thought this fanfiction wasn't supposed to be good

[MSperoni]

Well, Hamilton/Washington makes more sense at least.

Though it doesn't have the same dynamic. Like, Hamilton/Jefferson is like.... Goku/Vegeta or something. Washington/Hamilton is like...uhh... Obi-wan/Anakin ?

[BitVyper]

CAD

What is the matter with you?

[MSperoni]

...Okay, nevermind, I now officially ship Hamilton and Washington (http://archiveofourown.org/works/299861)
I thought this fanfiction wasn't supposed to be good

I just remembered James Madison. He was like Jefferson's best buddy, and should probably factor into your yaoi fanfic, Snake.

[Locke cole]

If I may go wildly off-topic for a moment... (http://www.joystiq.com/2012/03/02/rumor-assassins-creed-3-screens-leaked/)

Well, more than just a moment. (http://forum.xboxworld.nl/showpost.php?p=4561875&postcount=965)

Meet the new assassin: Ratohnhaké:ton.

[CelesJessa]

That looks excellent. At first I didn't know how I felt about the American Revolution (I was secretly hoping for gangster assassins) I'm starting to feel a little better about it.

That tomahawk's design is pretty clever.

[Locke cole]

I wonder if his Mohawk name has a translation into English.

You just know it's gonna be something related to eagles, if it is.

[Marc v4.0]

I am throwing my money at the screen but it isn't working.

[Locke cole]

Smoke bombs are better for distractions, anyway.

[Karrrrrrrrrrrresche]

I'm probably going to need to wait until there's some sort of sale (Or a CDkeyhouse buy), but it certainly looks like they're going in most of the right directions.

Only issue is they're making those sodding colonists the good guys.

[Locke cole]

Judging from the magazine article, it's more like the Assassins are the good guys, with a side of "oh hey, a war. Neat."

[Karrrrrrrrrrrresche]

Judging from the magazine article, it's more like the Assassins are the good guys, with a side of "oh hey, a war. Neat."

It's all killing redcoats and riding alongside what are clearly colonial soldiers.

[Marc v4.0]

Templars are found on both sides of the conflict, so betrayals and twists are likely.

[Locke cole]

Didn't II have letters basically saying that Washington was a pawn of the Templars?

[Doc ock rokc]

Im thinking that the redcoats in the picks are mostly falling into the same slots at the guards in other AC games
we could be fighting both in different parts of the game.

[Ramary]

Im thinking that the redcoats in the picks are mostly falling into the same slots at the guards in other AC games
we could be fighting both in different parts of the game.

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
http://i1085.photobucket.com/albums/j426/Ramary/MERIKA.jpg
Not in this market. How dare you consider hurting American guards, they are all fearless freedom fighters while the British play soccer with the ball replaced with a puppy on the corpses of the people who died holding Bunker Hill. AND they call soccer football, backwards people real football is played with an egg-like ball in your hands.

GOD BLESS THE USA.

[Locke cole]

But we already have at least one statement that it's not going to be a black-and-white conflict.

And it's going to be a close secondary conflict, compared to the usual Assassins Vs Templars thing.

[MSperoni]

With the weirdo Assassin's Creed conspiracy theories, by the time the game is over we'll find out the British ACTUALLY WON.

The America as we know it today is nothing more than an illusion created by the Templars/Piece of Eden/Mayans/Ronald McDonald.

[Doc ock rokc]

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
http://i1085.photobucket.com/albums/j426/Ramary/MERIKA.jpg
Not in this market. How dare you consider hurting American guards, they are all fearless freedom fighters while the British play soccer with the ball replaced with a puppy on the corpses of the people who died holding Bunker Hill. AND they call soccer football, backwards people real football is played with an egg-like ball in your hands.

GOD BLESS THE USA.

http://i.imgur.com/3PX3g.jpg

[Ramary]

He says they try hard to make it so the Templars are not complete evil jerks, but that exactly how they come off.

Whatever, I kinda like the whole rural areas thing, reminds me of Red Dead Redemption which is one of my favorite more recent games. I am looking forward to it, might convince me to actually play though Brotherhood and Revelations.

[Karrrrrrrrrrrresche]

I hate to say it but if they're trying to have the Templar appear as anything other than unashamedly evil bastards they're doing a pretty poor job of it. I could understand if they were saying they wanted to represent the Templar organization as something that was once good but has become corrupted, but almost every example we see of high ranking Templar screws with the idea that they're sympathetic villains who desire to save the world.
Exactly two of the Templar in AC1 had sympathetic motives which led into a sympathetic action. The Hospitaller Doctor and the slaver. And the slaver is pretty freaking gray to begin with.
Even The Doctor, arguably the most sympathetic Templar, has his first cutscene involving an order to brutally break both legs of an escapee.
He was trying to help the mentally incapacitated and injured, and most of his dialogue indicates he's geniunely trying to help... but that's not a good start, you spend the moments before the kill listening to him talk to patients, some of which are angry at having the treatment forced on them. Some of which, however, are just plain shocked that he's treated them even though they should be enemies. If I remember right, most are grateful.

He's exceptionally complicated, but he's the exception amongst the Templars. Every single Templar in II, from the lowest up to the Borgia were all corrupt, power mad monsters. Borgia especially, who goes out of his way to be evil, paints a dark picture of what exactly the Templar are. Even in I, where the characters have some sympathetic situations and circumstances, their actions make almost all of them seem villainous.

The Archer in Acre whos name I can't recall for example, speaks of how fearful of death he is. You can find some sympathy in that, and the paranoid behavior it brings. But as you look back on his actions you realize that a man who is so afraid of death should understand how terrible it is to take life from others, in spite of this he kills innocent monks and his own soldiers.

I mean, man! When was the last time the Assassins did anything remotely ambiguous?

[Shyria Dracnoir]

I could easily see "Nothing is true, everything is permitted" being capitalized on by a hardcore destructive anarchist or completely self-serving personality.

That's part of why I'd personally like to see a well-done game or DLC that has you playing a Templar. Obviously not a hugely important one but significant enough that we could get a different perspective on the fight.

[Karrrrrrrrrrrresche]

I could easily see "Nothing is true, everything is permitted" being capitalized on by a hardcore destructive anarchist or completely self-serving personality.

That's part of why I'd personally like to see a well-done game or DLC that has you playing a Templar. Obviously not a hugely important one but significant enough that we could get a different perspective on the fight.

Now THAT would be interesting. Noble ambitions against a shadowy organization that mets out justice based on its own outlandish codes.

[Locke cole]

I think the problem with the Borgia is less that they're Templars, and thus evil, but more that they're part of the Borgia family, and thus royally screwed up, pardon the pun. I rather got the distinct feeling of them (or at least Cesare) going off and doing their own plans, regardless of what the Templar order wanted.

As for ambiguous assassinwork, there's always the scores of random schmuck guards you're always killing because they're working for the wrong people. I remember one of the repressed memories in Brotherhood, where Ezio's not-girlfriend urged him not to kill a bunch of guards just because they were in his way. That's not exactly a lesson that stuck with him. Or that French guard captain in Brotherhood who basically just made the mistake of being hired by Cesare.

I hate to use Lucrezia Borgia as a source of reliable information, but she does raise some perfectly valid points about Ezio being a hypocrite in his little... well, crusade against the Borgia/Pazzi/Templars. Heck, how often does Ezio go after Templars who don't happen to be part of his little personal revenge plot? (First, revenge for his father, then revenge for his uncle) I haven't played Revelations yet, so maybe that changes something.

I mean, the Assassins' mission statement is all about keeping people free, and all that, but they're still, well, assassins, with a fairly broad definition of "not an innocent".

[Karrrrrrrrrrrresche]

>Trailer begins
>Start with Red Coat Officer running through the woods, panting
>Eagle screech overhead
>Cut to Assassin, high in the trees, bounding from branch to branch,
>Officer pulls sword, turns every which way, can't find who is chasing him
>Assassin drops from the trees
>Scream
>British Officer looks up, shaken, covered in small drops of blood, the Assassin pulls his tomahawk out of a Colonist Templars body, the one who had tried to kill the Brit.
>Assassin starts to say something to Officer
>Suddenly Blue Dressed Colonist forces converge on one side, Redcoats on the other, bayonets lowered and charge,
>Assassin pulls out his dagger, final shot is him about to simultaneously strike two soldiers, shot is framed so Redcoat is on the left, Assassin in the middle, Colonist on the right (RED WHITE BLUE)
>Assassin's Creed III
>2012
>DeclaretheCreed.com

If the actual trailer is anything like this, I will shut the fuck up about anything negative I have to say until the game actually comes out.

[Magus]

All I can say is they probably should have dropped their original "trilogy" aspirations even further (since they went ahead and made two sequels to the "second" game of the trilogy, after all), and covered some of the space between the Italian Reniassance and the freaking American Revolution. I'd say there was room for at least two more games in there somewhere (hopefully one involving pirates).

BUT that said this looks pretty cool. And yes, I'd say it is original to set a game during the Revolutionary War, even if you find it "western-centric". It is more original to set a game during that period than the medieval period--American nerds love knights and shit.

Only hardcore niche nerds love blunderbusses and bayonet charges. Because they realize how fucking AWESOME those are.

EDIT: Also this dude should be wearing a hat of some kind, c'mon. He's just going to stick out at this point. Maybe there are some more subtleties about the outfit I'm not picking up on but even the Reniassance Assassin outfit kind of stuck out. This is really non-stealthy.

[Krylo]

I mean, man! When was the last time the Assassins did anything remotely ambiguous?

??? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wHhQ20ydiyk)

[Karrrrrrrrrrrresche]

??? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wHhQ20ydiyk)
That's a Templar.

[Krylo]

Al Mualim was the leader of the Assassins, Karesh.

[Karrrrrrrrrrrresche]

Al Mualim was the leader of the Assassins, Karesh.

Yeaah.
He was also a Templar.
As I understand it he actually started out a decent person and only went nuts after becoming a Templar.

[Locke cole]

And he was a Templar.

[Ecks]

The whole point of the game was Al Mualim double crossed the Templars to get his hands on the Apple, and then he had Altair hunt down his conspirators so the truth wouldn't get back to the order. But Altair didn't just keep his head down and do his job, he asked questions and investigated and eventually through his travels discovered the deception, and slew Al Mualim, recovering the Apple and becoming the Mentor in his place.

I'm actually rather excited for this game, it's a new direction for the series and FINALLY we're moving the actual fucking plot forward.

EDIT: 1191 posts... talking about AC1... coincidence? I THINK NOT.

[Locke cole]

So, in betraying the Templars, he solidified the continued life of the order that is their greatest enemy. Albeit accidentally.

[Ramary]

So, in betraying the Templars, he solidified the continued life of the order that is their greatest enemy. Albeit accidentally.

Stupidly evil.

[Locke cole]

What he should have done was have Altaïr killed somehow when the Apple failed to work on him in the middle of the game, then sent someone else, who he could control, to finish Altaïr's mission.

If Assassin B found out what Altaïr did, then big whoop, Al Mualim could just control the guy's mind, get him killed, and dissolve the Assassin order or keep them in the dark about the truth. Bam, Templars win all the way back then.

But nope, he had to use Altaïr.

[Karrrrrrrrrrrresche]

What he should have done was have Altaïr killed somehow when the Apple failed to work on him in the middle of the game, then sent someone else, who he could control, to finish Altaïr's mission.

If Assassin B found out what Altaïr did, then big whoop, Al Mualim could just control the guy's mind, get him killed, and dissolve the Assassin order or keep them in the dark about the truth. Bam, Templars win all the way back then.

But nope, he had to use Altaïr.

Game starts, yadda yadda stuff stuff. Can't control Altair. What do?
oh, I know. Have him jump off the edge of the castle into what he thinks is a stack of hay, but is actually a layer of hay over rocks.

...Wait, didn't that one guy break his leg when they did that scene?
Maybe they just fucked up and Altair managed to luck out by picking one of the good piles.

[Doc ock rokc]

Wasn't Altair fooled into thinking that he was stabbed in the beginning of the game? Logicly we could assume AL Mualim thought he could control Altair.

Plus if you remember the villagers you can tell who is brainwashed and crazy. They obviously lose some of their abilities when they are under Al's control. Also since the "hits" on other Templar members are probobly not in their plans it's logical to assume that a) he was going rouge and b) he needed Altair at his full potential to attack them.

However this lead to Altair to re learn the basics of his trade and philosophy is to see though illusions making alt more resistant to the mind control

[Locke cole]

So, apparently, the game's gonna take place in the "Animus 3.0", but the imprtant bit is that the game's character/area database is going to be written by Shaun, who will have lots of snarky comments to make involving the British perspective on the war.

That alone is enough to make me want to play it. Shaun's snarky database was one of the best things in the Ezio trilogy, and I didn't even think about his position, what with him being British and everything.

[Ecks]

Personally I'm more intrigued by how free-run sequences are going to work in this game, with so few tall buildings to scale... swear to God if it's like Brotherhood's Roma I will shoot my Vizio and PS3 with a bazooka.

[Locke cole]

What was wrong with Roma, exactly?

[Doc ock rokc]

What was wrong with Roma, exactly?

there was a large area without any buildings of any sort around thus nothing to do but ride your horse though it.

[Locke cole]

Huh. I must have not... oh wait, yeah.

That area.

[Magus]

I thought it was already established that you will be jumping through the trees and such. Just have plenty of forests, it's all good.

[Doc ock rokc]

I really don't want to say anything till i have the game in my hands though. The maps are supposedly MASSIVE.

[Karrrrrrrrrrrresche]

I really don't want to say anything till i have the game in my hands though. The maps are supposedly MASSIVE.

That actually sort of bothers me now that I think about it. I'm not sure how long I can spend hopping from one tree to the next before it gets boring.

[Kim]

AHAHAHAHAHA the trailer starts off with a bald eagle flying majestically through the air

[Locke cole]

Well, Assassin's Creed does love its ominous eagles...

[Karrrrrrrrrrrresche]

They're not exactly doing much to push the AMERICA, FUCK YEAH away from the pre-game advertisements are they?
I mean I'm still willing to accept that it might not be totally AMERICA FUCK YEAH in game. But it doesn't seem to be what they're going for.

[Doc ock rokc]

god damn it ubi...The quoted trailer earlier in this thread would have been 100% better.

[Solid Snake]

...

...So yeah even I have to admit that was a horribly biased trailer

Like I was honestly fully expecting Connor to take out at least one colonist there

[Osterbaum]

I don't know, this is the sort of stuff you'd expect from marketing. The game might be less biased.

e: hell, I didn't even care at first but for some reason this thread got me somewhat excited about the game. And I've previously only played AC1 for like a few hours.

[Locke cole]

Maybe try ACII. It's generally accepted that ACII improved on the first game in literally every aspect. I figure it's a pretty good test of whether or not the series is right for you, much more than the first game.

[Solid Snake]

...I guess regarding the whole bias thing, it's like: after America, aren't the second and third largest markets for this game England and Canada, respectively?

I mean the whole notion of pandering to American audiences makes plenty of sense if it's hypothetically, like, America vs. Belarus or something

But letting Washington give a freedom speech while Connor murders redcoats seems a silly trailer to market to London and Toronto
Do those markets like, click that link and then they see a different trailer, maybe? That'd make more sense.

EDIT: I personally believe AC2 is the best in the series (yes, better than Brotherhood or Revelations, though the latter two titles are pretty good too.) It's definitely worth playing through.

[Solid Snake]

Also ahahahaha Ubisoft is there any worse language you could possibly use with Washington than "it is time to determine whether Americans are free men or slaves?"

Free men or slaves.
Yes, that is absolutely the language you want to use when America in fact totally let the enslavement of African-Americans continue for another eighty years

[Locke cole]

Well, would Americans have seen the irony of a line like that, at the time? Seems to be the right time in history for them to have said something like that and not quite realized how wrong they were.

[Professor Smarmiarty]

...I guess regarding the whole bias thing, it's like: after America, aren't the second and third largest markets for this game England and Canada, respectively?

I mean the whole notion of pandering to American audiences makes plenty of sense if it's hypothetically, like, America vs. Belarus or something

But letting Washington give a freedom speech while Connor murders redcoats seems a silly trailer to market to London and Toronto
Do those markets like, click that link and then they see a different trailer, maybe? That'd make more sense.

EDIT: I personally believe AC2 is the best in the series (yes, better than Brotherhood or Revelations, though the latter two titles are pretty good too.) It's definitely worth playing through.

But those markets won't really lose sails. Intense "fuck yeah, our country!" nationalism is much more of an American thing. The british thing is mostly "Britain is a cold terrible place, why do we live here- let's move to france".

[Solid Snake]

Well, would Americans have seen the irony of a line like that, at the time? Seems to be the right time in history for them to have said something like that and not quite realized how wrong they were.

You're right in the sense that those kinds of lines were definitely spoken at the time.
My point isn't that it's an inaccurate representation of Washington's beliefs. It's that despite its 'accuracy,' it really isn't appropriate to portray unironically and positively in a ninety second trailer for a game being released in the 21st century.

The trailer's playing the line straight, as if Washington's entirely right in his assertions. And I dunno, I expected something a tad more nuanced? And even if in the game Washington's presented as a wholly admirable guy, there are better lines to write for him than the one chosen when marketing this game to a 21st century audience.

...But like, it totally makes sense for Washington to say lines like this in the game, then not long thereafter indirectly point out the hypocrisy to the player by having Connor interact with a slave. That kind of layering showed up all the time in Red Dead Redemption's deconstruction of Wild West mythology.
It just doesn't make sense to include this as his stump speech in a ninety second ad, is all.

[Locke cole]

You're right in the sense that those kinds of lines were definitely spoken at the time.
My point isn't that it's an inaccurate representation of Washington's beliefs. It's that despite its 'accuracy,' it really isn't appropriate to portray unironically and positively in a ninety second trailer for a game being released in the 21st century.

The trailer's playing the line straight, as if Washington's entirely right in his assertions. And I dunno, I expected something a tad more nuanced? And even if in the game Washington's presented as a wholly admirable guy, there are better lines to write for him than the one chosen when marketing this game to a 21st century audience.

...But like, it totally makes sense for Washington to say lines like this in the game, then not long thereafter indirectly point out the hypocrisy to the player by having Connor interact with a slave. That kind of layering showed up all the time in Red Dead Redemption's deconstruction of western mythology.
It just doesn't make sense to include this as his stump speech in a ninety second ad, is all.

That makes perfect sense, and I hope that for all their assurances of a nuanced story, that it actually is grayer in the actual game. I mean, there have been statements assuring us of that, and I doubt they could have a Shaun-written database without at least bringing up the other side.

But yeah, this wasn't the best choice of a trailer if they wanted to assure people that the story isn't going to be "AMERICA!" all the time. I suppose it's a decent hype-trailer, but it's not exactly making the game's story position look very good, does it?

edit: Actually, American slaveowners are pretty likely to be some of Connor's targets at some point in the game. After all, the guy's supposed to hate inequality and all that jazz. It's in pretty much direct opposition to basic Assassin ideologies, as well. Maybe spit back the "free men, or slaves" line in one of his rest-in-peace speeches.

[Solid Snake]

In slightly related news, is it wrong that I'm already looking forward to the inevitable direct sequel to AC3 released next year, in which Connor will inevitably travel to either London or Paris?

...Well I mean that's what I'd do if I were involved. London and Paris were awesome scenes at that point in history, and it'd be interesting to combine new AC3 mechanics with AC2 style building climbing.

EDIT: Due to the timing of the French Revolution I'll wager $50 on Paris as the next setting.

[Locke cole]

With Ben Franklin accompanying him and showing him around Paris in one of the opening missions.

[stefan]

Assassins Creed III part II: The French Revolution: The Beheadening

[Kim]

I will actually be legit surprised if there are any black people in AC3.

[phil_]

this wasn't the best choice of a trailer if they wanted to assure people that the story isn't going to be "AMERICA!" all the time.But the best choice in video trailers right now is always "AMERICA!" Gotta get them Modern Warfare numbers. Anyone you'd offend by a lack of nuance is either... no, this is better:

It's like, anyone who knows about the game already is pretty set in whether they're going to buy it or not at this point. They (you're part of "they," by the way, since you're reading this thread) are completely irrelevant to any advertising. I mean, the ad department could come up with an amazing trailer that gets an Oscar nod or something and maybe convince a few people who already know about the game but don't plan to buy it to change their minds. Or, they can advertise to the not-us "they," the guys watching TV who think every video but calladudy is "gay" because "you don't even shoot people," and catch a magnitude more sales by appealing to their "AMERICA!" sensibilities. Oh, and that comes with the smug-tastic bonus of being able to say "Don't like it? Don't buy it," to any criticism aimed at the the trailer with the sure knowledge that, even if a few people in the "they" category which we fall into actually do change their minds about making that purchase, they've been replaced by the mass of idiots. Because that's who all ads—whether for videos, hamburgers, or politicians—are aimed at: idiots. Plato agrees with me, and as a dead white guy, his agreement makes me right.

I've played about ten minutes of Assassins Creed 2, and I was too drunk to remember what happened. I think I climbed up a building.

[Revising Ocelot]

I mean, the ad department could come up with an amazing trailer that gets an Oscar nod or something and maybe convince a few people who already know about the game but don't plan to buy it to change their minds.

It worked for Dead Island, and that was a thoroughly meh game that got far more sales than it ordinarily would have achieved.

[Karrrrrrrrrrrresche]

So will Andrew Jackson be a Templar?

[Locke cole]

That's also a good point, Phil_.

Those of us who get our information on games through the internet and forums and such will be the ones more likely to have seen those articles where they promise a more nuanced story.

And I guess an "AMERICA!" trailer is more likely to catch the eye of those who aren't into the series itself enough to have heard about it on the Internet.

So, with that in mind, it's a decent trailer, but I do hope that the game itself is more grey in terms of morality.

[Doc ock rokc]

So will Andrew Jackson be a Templar?

If not I am still hunting that ass down and stabbing him with shanky and the axe.

[Solid Snake]

I got a nice...tin...cover...art thingy for preordering AC3 today.

[Ecks]

It IS rather nice. I stopped by a Gamestop last night and they had one on display at the counter.

[Kim]

New details (http://www.gameranx.com/updates/id/5725/article/new-assassin-s-creed-iii-details-reveal-new-weapon-gameplay-changes-and-more/)

Still acting under the assumption that historical accuracy means "America's myth about the revolution," but whatever.

Apparently their solution for the cities being to small back then is to pretend that they aren't. Hahahaha...

Also, you get to paddle a canoe.

EDIT: "You won't just be killing the British in Assassin's Creed 3! You'll kill Native Americans, too!" ahahahahaha oh fuck

EDIT2: Okay, cool, I'm hearing one of the screenshots is of stalking down an American general. Worries assuaged.

[Solid Snake]

Their recreation of Boston is actually three times larger than the real city was at the time.

WWWWHHHHHHYYYYYYYYY

Man there's just no reason to do this. If AC3's going to be all colonial America it should be all about the pristine rural beauty of nature and shit and gameplay mechanics should change correspondingly. It shouldn't be like, "Let's transform colonial era Boston into a city where the exact same mechanics you relied on in Renaissance Venice are appropriate." It should be, "This is a new game in the series and we should do new things with it and make it play quite differently."

[Azisien]

WWWWHHHHHHYYYYYYYYY

Man there's just no reason to do this. If AC3's going to be all colonial America it should be all about the pristine rural beauty of nature and shit and gameplay mechanics should change correspondingly. It shouldn't be like, "Let's transform colonial era Boston into a city where the exact same mechanics you relied on in Renaissance Venice are appropriate." It should be, "This is a new game in the series and we should do new things with it and make it play quite differently."

Gameplay > Realism. And if I'm getting an Assassin's Creed game, I expect lots of things to climb and stab. I guess they could reinvent the wheel, but that kind of goes against franchise logic to me. A few new things, refinements, sure. Big departure from other games in the main series, not so much.

[Ramary]

EDIT2: Okay, cool, I'm hearing one of the screenshots is of stalking down an American general. Worries assuaged.

You are protecting him from the evil British and Native Americans.

(or hes a traitor of some kind, secretly British, you know this because you saw him eating crumpets)

[Loyal]

Gameplay > Realism.

I find this argument is often misused. "Realism", for instance, is not the target here, "Sense" is. As in, "Does it make sense to set the new AC game all the way in the Americas if they're going to just make it feel like Europe all over again?".

Neither Sense nor Gameplay should have to sacrifice one another. Surely there's more to the feel of AC than prowling through busy city streets, jumping off tall buildings and into haystacks. Setting it in the Americas is the perfect opportunity to bring a certain refreshing change to the paradigm and refusing to do that seems a bit of a waste.

[rpgdemon]

More importantly, whyyyy? I thought it'd be sweet to be walking around in game somewhere where I've actually been, but noooo.

[Solid Snake]

Well it's just, like:
Colonial America wasn't known for its sprawling urban areas or its gargantuan feats of construction.
It was known (and has been romanticized) for its pristine forests and its open spaces and an abundance of primeval land to explore.

If you're going to make the game about Assassin's Creed 2 mechanics, you'd be better off hosting the events in eighteenth century London or Paris.
I thought the entire idea about switching things up and visiting America was to introduce new and foreign mechanics and to ensure a very different Assassin's Creed experience.

The notion that their solution to the conundrum of "What to do about the small towns?" was simply to make the towns artificially bigger, as opposed to simply upping the countryside, suggests that the developers are scared to move too far away from the AC2 mechanics and they want to keep you jumping from rooftop to rooftop. But this is Boston, not Rome. The additional urban space is going to feel empty because there just aren't enough intriguing landmarks with novel construction to incorporate. It'll actually, if anything, feel like a worse and less interesting version of AC2 and its sequels to explore, as opposed to being what it should be, which is something markedly different.

Just my two cents. I'm hoping that Boston turns out to be a relatively small part of the game, because really, if you're going to go to colonial America, it shouldn't be to explore Boston or New York or any other 'urban' area. That's not where the excitement was.

EDIT: Like, remember how Brotherhood, -- in my opinion the worst of the Ezio trilogy, though still a fine game -- had all those wide open spaces outside of Rome and you hated those spaces because there wasn't really anything to do there, because it was clear that AC2 was designed for rooftop-to-rooftop urban combat and not for just wandering around open vistas?
...That's what I'm worried about here. AC3 should introduce new mechanics to -- if anything -- make it more fun to explore the forests and hilltops of America and less fun to hop from one unassuming two-story residential building to the other.

[Ecks]

Brotherhood... worst of the Ezio trilogy... wide open spaces outside of Rome... hated those spaces... wasn't really anything to do there

Snake you magnificent bastard stop being me and having the same reasons for hating rural Roma.

Seriously part of what I loved about Assassin's Creed from the days of Altair was running across rooftops murdering guards and couriers like a Renaissance Batman without a no-kill rule.

The landscape outside of urban Roma was fucking horrible. You had to have a fucking horse to get anywhere.

That said! I am looking forward to AC3, because now we're going to be tree hopping and mountain climbing and (possibly zip-lining? lets hope that's a thing that happens cuz it was fun in ACR) fuck, so many possibilities! Also I hope to God the hidden blade makes a return or I'll be a tad disappointed.

[Ramary]

I have yet to finish Brotherhood because Roma is so bloody crappy.

Also making my hometown(ish) 3 times bigger makes me mad, cause it would of been neat to jump around in a place I am very familiar with, but I do not think I will get the same appeal in it's altered state.

[Magus]

I hope that in making Boston bigger they at least went ahead and looked at what it looked like in 1850 or something (minus whatever historical anachronisms had appeared since then, such as factories, I would suppose). AT least then they can lay claim to some historical accuracy, even if it is the wrong period.

[Solid Snake]

...Okay so my faith in this game has been officially shaken.

So, apparently the Collector's Editions for UK and Europe were announced. There are two!
Now, keep in mind these are the Collector's Editions for the UK and Europe. 'The UK' is included in that sentence.

Okay so the two editions are called: "Freedom" and "Join or Die."
You know, the two American slogans for the war. Freedom from the British, and 'Join or Die' was the mantra with the Snake divided into the disparate colonies.

...The cover of the 'Join or Die' edition features the thirteen-star American flag.
And George Washington's Notebook is an item in both.

Here you go England, here's your Collector's Edition!

http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/17hnjj5jf2eiyjpg/original.jpg


...And seriously, the 'Lost Mayan Ruins?'
Guys the Mayans totally were hangin' out in ancient New England y'all!!!!
(That or: Guys folks living in Boston totally made the perilous journey through the wilderness and/or on a boat to Mexico all the flippin' time!!!) Common occurrence!

I do hope he goes to Mexico though, if it's like "Oh hey the Mayans had cities in territory corresponding with the modern northeastern United States!" I am just going to laugh.

EDIT: Also it's kind of hysterical that England's being sold a Collector's Edition in which the message on the box is apparently "Join the rebellion that is killing your countrymen, or die!"
That would be almost like advertising a German game where you play a Nazi and advertising it in America with the slogan "Join the Nazis or die!", except admittingly the American colonists weren't Nazis but still that's just weird
OH SHIT GODWIN'S LAW

EDIT 2: Lost Mayan Ruins screencap with the other, slightly less overtly offensive to British citizens edition:

http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/17hnjhkbifbm9jpg/original.jpg

EDIT 3: Also I believe George Washington's notebook is official proof that Washington is being retconned in this game from a Templar to an Assassin.
Because Georgie founder of 'Muricah can't be evil!

[Kim]

Mayan Ruins actually makes sense, as Assassin's Creed 3 is apparently somehow using the whole, "The Mayans predicted the world would end in 2012," thing in the story.

[Revising Ocelot]

You're complaining about the Mayans being in outlandish locations when the whole series features an ancient race of predecessors including alien ruins, two apocalypses and other supernatural shenanigans. Hell, that's probably the twist behind that story, it's actually Those Who Came Before ruins. Saved ya money on DLC.

[Shyria Dracnoir]

Snake, you have to remember that this series is set in a universe where the entire human race is a genetically engineered slave species created to serve an advanced alien race that colonized the planet pre-Ice Age that was wiped out due to rebellion by said slave race and the most recent magnetic pole shift, where all of human history since then has been manipulated in the course of a shadow war between two global factions trying to control the remnants of the extinct alien race's technology for their own purposes, and that everything from major world religions to war to scientific advances has been set up or faked in the name of advancing these faction's goals with the aid of said alien tech.

At some point, history tends to go out the window. Though the advertising is still balls-stupid.

EDIT: Sniped by Ocelot.

[MSperoni]

...that Washington is being retconned in this game from a Templar to an Assassin. Because Georgie founder of 'Muricah can't be evil!

Seems more like a Templar thing to be a slave owner, but whatevs. Maybe they'll "fix" that, too. "Oh he owned slaves but he didn't want to, and he would've freed them if only he could have!"

Why does everyone of any cultural significance have to be either a Templar or an Assassin?

EDIT: I'm probably in the minority here when I say I'm not all that keen on these "Mayan/alien/apocalypse" shenanigans and was just happy with it being Assassins vs. Templar.

[Karrrrrrrrrrrresche]

Because people of cultural significance are approached by one or the other to aid their cause.

[Solid Snake]

Okay so maybe the Mayan mission is a modern mission or something
It still doesn't change the fact that this has to be the most hysterical way imaginable to market this game to the British
Man I'm sure English citizens are just like desperate to get their paws on that delicious looking stars-and-stripes cover

EDIT: Like how hard would it be to just have a Special Edition in Europe that like had the British flag and was like "Fight for the King" or "William Howe" edition or some shit
EDIT 2: I don't know which General or character in the Revolutionary War do the British love or admire?
EDIT 3: They don't even call it the Revolutionary War there do they? Is it like "The War of Colonial Insolence?" "The War of Greedy Slaveowners?"

[MSperoni]

It also contains a picture of King George being shit on by Larry the Cable Guy.

[Solid Snake]

It also contains a picture of King George being shit on by Larry the Cable Guy.

King George will totally be in a CGI sequence walking around London or something
And out of nowhere a bald eagle will descend from the heavens
And proceed to take a crap on him
No actually King George will be the final Templar Boss
His plans of raising taxes on tea was just the first step to global domination
And America actually saved the ENTIRE WORLD by declaring independence because they fostered an order of Assassins who sent bald eagles to England to crap on King George

Maybe Ben Franklin, Thomas Jefferson, George Washington and Alexander Hamilton can be like a team of heroic Assassins in a spinoff television show for kids
And there'd be all this unresolved sexual tension between Hamilton and Jefferson and oh crap I'm back to the Jefferson/Hamilton yaoi
Damn you Jefferson/Hamilton YAOI!!!!!!

[Karrrrrrrrrrrresche]

That would be almost like advertising a German game where you play a Nazi and advertising it in America with the slogan "Join the Nazis or die!", except admittingly the American colonists weren't Nazis but still that's just weird
OH SHIT GODWIN'S LAW


It's... not really like that at all? The British don't view the American Revolution as a particular dark spot in our history which we must always be vigilant to prevent from happening again. Might just be my perspective, but I don't see it as any worse than the hundred years war. It was pretty shitty from the general viewpoint that war itself is shitty. But arguably more justified than a lot of shit that we did during the Imperial days.

If you really wanted to make a Brit apologize, or feel like shit playing for our own side in a situation you'd set the game up in China and have the players getting people addicted to opium so that you could exploit them for resources.

[Solid Snake]

It's... not really like that at all? The British don't view the American Revolution as a particular dark spot in our history which we must always be vigilant to prevent from happening again. It was pretty shitty, but arguably more justified than a lot of shit that we did during the Imperial days.

If you really wanted to make a Brit apologize you'd bring up getting China addicted to Opium so they could be exploited for resources or something.

Nah you missed the comparison I was trying to make. It's not about how apologetic the English (or Germans) should be, because I'm comparing England in that example to America, (in a WW2 context), not to Nazi Germany.

It's more like the idea of being sold on killing your countrymen and that your countrymen are the enemy

[MSperoni]

...And out of nowhere a bald eagle will descend from the heavens...

See, here I could bring up something that happened in my comic (http://www.nuklearpower.com/2012/03/19/a-paid-message-from-big-eagle-beer-01/) but I won't because this thread ain't about me.

It's about Snake's hopes and dreams never coming to fruition.

[Karrrrrrrrrrrresche]

Nah you missed the comparison I was trying to make. It's not about how apologetic the English (or Germans) should be, because I'm comparing England in that example to America, (in a WW2 context), not to Nazi Germany.

It's more like the idea of being sold on killing your countrymen and that your countrymen are the enemy

Oh, I kinda went off in the wrong direction th-See, here I could bring up something that happened in my comic (http://www.nuklearpower.com/2012/03/19/a-paid-message-from-big-eagle-beer-01/) but I won't because this thread ain't about me.

It's about Snake's hopes and dreams never coming to fruition.


....Ha-...
Have we had this thread before? I swear to god I remember this exact freaking conversation somewhere.

[Solid Snake]

See, here I could bring up something that happened in my comic (http://www.nuklearpower.com/2012/03/19/a-paid-message-from-big-eagle-beer-01/) but I won't because this thread ain't about me.

It's about Snake's hopes and dreams never coming to fruition.

I don't even want to know what that comic is supposed to be an allegory of, but man, that imagery, Speroni. That imagery.
The KKK didn't like hire you to draw propaganda for them, did they?

[MSperoni]

Have we had this thread before? I swear to god I remember this exact freaking conversation somewhere.

About Snake's hopes and dreams never being fulfilled? That's like every thread.

The KKK didn't like hire you to draw propaganda for them, did they?

Uhhh..Not sure what you mean here...though if you're interpreting as something racist you're reading WAAAAAAAAAYYYY too much into it.

[Solid Snake]

You know how much I love ya, Speroni. I'm joshin'.

Still to be completely honest if I saw that image completely out of context and didn't know the artist yeah, I'd be a tad worried

[Karrrrrrrrrrrresche]

EDIT 2: I don't know which General or character in the Revolutionary War do the British love or admire?
Man even I don't know this.
I think the American War of Revolution was just a small part of a larger, worldwide conflict against France and Spain at the time. A theater of the larger picture, where you were a pawn to be pushed against us by the French.
There's basically nobody to point to and say "HE WAS OUR HERO" because at the time and up to the modern era there's little fucks to give.

EDIT 3: They don't even call it the Revolutionary War there do they? Is it like "The War of Colonial Insolence?" "The War of Greedy Slaveowners?"

American War of Independence, or American War of Revolution. Here it's just "The Revolutionary War" because you've got such a short history there's nothing else to confuse it for. Just like you can say "The civil war" and everybody knows what you mean.
In Europe you say "The Civil War" we go "Which one?"

About Snake's hopes and dreams never being fulfilled? That's like every thread.

I don't even know. I just got massive deja vu reading Snakes post and then yours.

[Osterbaum]

Snake, it's just you Americans who find it so difficult to kill your virtual country men. The rest of us are fine with it, you know because of the evils of socialism and all.

[Solid Snake]

There's basically nobody to point to and say "HE WAS OUR HERO" because at the time and up to the modern era there's little fucks to give.


Aww c'mon man there's gotta be fans of Victorian England history out there
Also what decent British citizen wouldn't have a hard-on for the British General who defeated Napoleon at Waterloo
...You know, whoever he was

LOL Americans don't know non-American history
Like seriously I think I had a grand total of one mandatory semester of World History in high school and it was ancient Greco-Roman stuff for the most part
And I took a couple European history electives but I'll be damned if I remember any of that shit now
I think the extent of American studies of colonial era European history is like, "Look at those jerks with all their colonies! WE didn't have any colonies because we were awesome and we loved freedom! Now please forget all about the Philippines, slavery, the extermination of the Native Americans..."

[Karrrrrrrrrrrresche]

Aww c'mon man there's gotta be fans of Victorian England history out there
Also what decent British citizen wouldn't have a hard-on for the British General who defeated Napoleon at Waterloo
...You know, whoever he was

LOL Americans don't know non-American history
Like seriously I think I had a grand total of one mandatory semester of World History in high school and it was ancient Greco-Roman stuff for the most part
And I took a couple European history electives but I'll be damned if I remember any of that shit now
I think the extent of American studies of colonial era European history is like, "Look at those jerks with all their colonies! WE didn't have any colonies because we were awesome and we loved freedom! Now please forget all about the Philippines, slavery, the extermination of the Native Americans..."

Oh no! Not like, in general. Just for this one thing.

I mean if you wanted Napoleonic wars I'll give you mine right now: Admiral Motherfucking Nelson.

[Mr.Bookworm]

As far as I know, Britain really doesn't really care all that much about the American side of the Revolutionary War. They were far more concerned about the French, Spanish, and Dutch, who took the opportunity of the revolution to kick the King in the balls while he was distracted. They also had iron-tipped boots/clogs, unlike the relatively legless Americans.

[Karrrrrrrrrrrresche]

As far as I know, Britain really doesn't really care all that much about the American side of the Revolutionary War. They were far more concerned about the French, Spanish, and Dutch, who took the opportunity of the revolution to kick the King in the balls while he was distracted. They also had iron-tipped boots/clogs, unlike the relatively legless Americans.

It's like
imagine if Neo is fighting three Agents and one is France and one is Spain and the other is the Dutch.
And then a random civilian, seeing what he perceives to be law enforcement officers fighting a terrorist decides he's going to kick Neo in the balls, and after he's done that he brags about it for 200+ years.

That's the American Revolution for the British.

[Solid Snake]

Oh no! Not like, in general. Just for this one thing.

I mean if you wanted Napoleonic wars I'll give you mine right now: Admiral Motherfucking Nelson.

...Actually, it was Arthur Wellesley!
Though Admiral Nelson's more famous, he didn't defeat Napoleon at Waterloo.

EDIT: Just remember Brits, that random civilian who kicked you in the balls and bragged about it totally buffed up 150 years later and bailed you out when your uncle Adolf was about to beat you into submission
...Okay that Joseph guy did most the work but we participated!!!!
And in exchange for Joseph's sacrifice we both teamed up and decided to make him miserable for fifty years until he collapsed

[Karrrrrrrrrrrresche]

...Actually, it was Arthur Wellesley!
Though Admiral Nelson's more famous, he didn't defeat Napoleon at Waterloo.

No but he did participate and demonstrate exemplary service in the Napoleonic wars.


During the Third Coalition war (Which was one of the Napoleonic wars) a combined Spanish and French fleet of 30+ ships of the Line encountered a slightly smaller British fleet of 25 or so Ships of the line. British ships were better, so the Spanish and French fleets numerical superiority wasn't as powerful as you might think. But after losing twenty-some ships, Nelson didn't allow them to sink any of his.

He beat the shit out of them, basically.


Also I didn't mean that Nelson beat Napoleon, just that we have iconic figures in other places. It's just that none of them were in the scrap we had with a few rebellious colonials who had a fetish for dumping tea.

[Aldurin]

Here you go England, here's your Collector's Edition!

Ubisoft is clearly the practical joker of the video gaming market.

[Magus]

You know how much I love ya, Speroni. I'm joshin'.

Still to be completely honest if I saw that image completely out of context and didn't know the artist yeah, I'd be a tad worried

Clearly Speroni is racist against...the Apes from Planet of the Apes, who sell beer that is their piss, from what I can tell is going on here? (I've only read the first ten pages of The Dreadful so far)

Anyway, why do you guys think this will be the final game? Just because it has a 3 in the title? There will probably be like, 4 more of these with subtitles instead of numbers. I can't see them not having one set in modern day. When the "trilogy" is already at 5 games I'd say we have quite a bit more to look forward to.

[Ramary]

I can explain everything about the whole British hating thing.

Ubisoft is FRENCH ya know?

[Karrrrrrrrrrrresche]

I can explain everything about the whole British hating thing.

Ubisoft is FRENCH ya know?

So it's like when Creative Assembly made the AI never use naval invasions or navies effectively in general, which made England invincible and France hilariously easy to conquer?

[Ramary]

So it's like when Creative Assembly made the AI never use naval invasions or navies effectively in general, which made England invincible and France hilariously easy to conquer?

That is fair play, we know by now Ubisoft does not believe in such things.

[Shyria Dracnoir]

I can explain everything about the whole British hating thing.

Ubisoft is FRENCH ya know?

That is a good point. France bankrolled the colonies essentially to create an additional front against Britain. Ubisoft just hasn't forgotten their roots.

[MSperoni]

Clearly Speroni is racist against...the Apes from Planet of the Apes, who sell beer that is their piss, from what I can tell is going on here? (I've only read the first ten pages of The Dreadful so far).

Yeah, fuck Dr. Zaius!

You should read more than the first 10 pages! There are over 100 more and it gets sooooo much better as it goes. :D (at least I think it does, and if I'm wrong there is a thread for people to tell me why)


Anyway, why do you guys think this will be the final game? Just because it has a 3 in the title? There will probably be like, 4 more of these with subtitles instead of numbers. I can't see them not having one set in modern day. When the "trilogy" is already at 5 games I'd say we have quite a bit more to look forward to.

I think the final game will have Desmond as the main character. So...I don't think AC3 is the final. I'm thinking they'll get to AC4 and that'll be it. It will be strange having it set in present day, considering modern-tech would make it hard for assassins to do what assassins did in the past, but I'm sure they'll contrive something so the gameplay will work.

[Kim]

This is not the final Assassin's Creed game, but it is the last part of this overarching story I guess is what they're going for?

[Aldurin]

This is not the final Assassin's Creed game, but it is the last part of this overarching story I guess is what they're going for?

I hope not, I want to be Desmond's Great Grandfather as I stab Hitler during WWII.

[MSperoni]

You can always petition Ubisoft.

[Solid Snake]

I wouldn't be surprised if it went AC3 (2012), AC3 direct sequel (akin to Brotherhood / Revelations) with Connor in the French Revolution (2013 -- last PS3 / X360 title), and then we jumped straight to the PS4 / X720 era with a title starring Desmond.

So I do anticipate that Connor is most likely the last of ancestors we'll be playing in Desmond's arc. Then I think the AC creators, upon tying things up with Desmond in his own game(s), would just have a new lead character with new ancestors and a completely different storyline, if they wanted to continue things post-Desmond.

/theory

[Bells]

Man, not only this is not the last Assassin's creed game, it's not even the third one that is canon. C'mon... "number after title" means little if nothing at all in gaming nowadays. It's not a trilogy, AC2 alone is a trilogy!

Personally, i'm not sure how this one will play out. I enjoyed Broterhood a bit more than i did revelations... and to be honest, i expected Ubisoft to ramp up the game story instead of dragging it out like this...

My bet is that Desmond is going to interact with Connor in a "Altair/Ezio" style which will then branch out into the "future AC game" everybody is waiting.

[Kim]

http://www.gameranx.com/updates/id/5839/article/ubisoft-explored-the-idea-of-female-lead-in-assassin-s-creed-iii/

They considered having a female lead in Assassin's Creed 3 but decided it wouldn't be believable.

[Aldurin]

http://www.gameranx.com/updates/id/5839/article/ubisoft-explored-the-idea-of-female-lead-in-assassin-s-creed-iii/

They considered having a female lead in Assassin's Creed 3 but decided it wouldn't be believable.

They can't let go of that facial hair. You gotta have the facial hair (also Assassins need testosterone to resist the Pieces of Eden, trufax).

[Bells]

i always get "Jedi Feelings" when i hear about that

"Sure there are female jedis... they are out there... somewhere..... doing.. important jedi stuff"

[Karrrrrrrrrrrresche]

We saw plenty of female Jedi in revenge of the sith.
It just so happened they were all getting shot by clones at the time, but still!

[MSperoni]

Aren't there statues of a few female assassins in that little... secret underground room in Assassin's Creed 2?

Also isn't Lucy an assassin?

So how is it "Unbelievable" when they've established that it has actually happened?

[Bells]

As it always is with series like these, it's rare (and hardly well when done) when they change a male protagonist and bring a female one down center stage. When they address issues like these it's always something "to the side" like "Oh yeah, that one character is also that..." or "Oh sure,there were lots of these... back when." and stuff like that.

As for "unbelievable" in the context of changing a Desmond descendant into a female, i really see no problem. Hell... most of the Women in AC2 had more balls than almost every male in the game... the could easily write in a believable character.

My guess is that they think the fans wouldn't accept that a male character could have a direct female descendant down the genetic line...

[Ecks]

Well I was under the impression that Ezio's line went all the way down to Desmond's mother, while Altair's went down to his father. Or vice-versa. Because Ezio is not Altair's descendent. The reason Desmond is so special is because he is the end result of two lines of master assassins converging, which themselves are comprised of several lines of assassins intersecting. Where Connor fits into this we'll have to find out later.

I wouldn't mind a game centered around a female assassin, I think it'd be refreshing. Rather than staring at Nolan North's face for another three titles.

[Doc ock rokc]

Well I was under the impression that Ezio's line went all the way down to Desmond's mother, while Altair's went down to his father. Or vice-versa. Because Ezio is not Altair's descendent. The reason Desmond is so special is because he is the end result of two lines of master assassins converging, which themselves are comprised of several lines of assassins intersecting. Where Connor fits into this we'll have to find out later.

I wouldn't mind a game centered around a female assassin, I think it'd be refreshing. Rather than staring at Nolan North's face for another three titles.

but then again Desmond's dad said he didn't have the right genes to use The Apple in Revelations.

also Yeah Fuck you Nolan North. You're a great voice actor and all putting great personality to a lot of good characters... but GOD DAMN IT WE DON'T NEED FIFTY OF YOU EVERY GAME.

[Azisien]

From the few short lines of that interview male over female pretty much makes sense. A female assassin would be neat, but the fact that they're putting serious thought into it means I wouldn't count the notion out. I'm not caught up on the series but there were female assassins in Brotherhood, no?

[Solid Snake]

What?
I mean the idea that offends me about it is, like, couldn't a woman in that era like cut her hair short, drop her voice a few octaves, and pull a Mulan if she had to?
And if the entire idea is that she's supposed to be unseen and all stealthy, then why does gender matter anyway? She'll dress as a man or a woman to disguise herself according to the situation. And if she needs to kill a guy she can totally wing it as a prostitute / maid / nun / merchant / pose as a wife / pose as a daughter / etc. It's only a real problem when she's on a battlefield, and then she wears a uniform and pulls a Mulan.

It's not remotely impossible to write a woman as an assassin in that era if you dress her right, write her well and put a moment's worth of thought into it.
I will say this isn't overt sexism as much as it just laziness and a poor justification to stick with a male role because "most gamers are men" and some shit. It's still sexist in practice, but in a more institutional, patriarchal, subconscious the system is rigged sort of sense.

And there wouldn't be nearly as much controversy if they were just like "Yeah, we thought about writing a woman assassin and we knew we could do it well, but we ultimately decided to go in a different direction with Connor." There's no need to add the sexist "hurr durr writing a woman would be IMPOSSIBLE because womenz weren't strong then" bullshittery.

It's not even historically accurate! Some women were doing kickass stuff back then.
Like her. (http://score.rims.k12.ca.us/score_lessons/women_american_revolution/barry.html)
Or her. (http://score.rims.k12.ca.us/score_lessons/women_american_revolution/corbin.html)
Or her. (http://score.rims.k12.ca.us/score_lessons/women_american_revolution/hart.html)
Some of these women were like real life Assassins. (http://score.rims.k12.ca.us/score_lessons/women_american_revolution/bratton.html)
Here's your real life Revolutionary War Mulan. (http://score.rims.k12.ca.us/score_lessons/women_american_revolution/wright2.html)
Even Native American women! (http://score.rims.k12.ca.us/score_lessons/women_american_revolution/ward.html)

God damn these women are awesome and it took me all of TWO SECONDS to look them up.

[Karrrrrrrrrrrresche]

Maybe it's just because they already had the script written out and all the founding fathers were supposed to be absolutely friendly and supporting to the main character when somebody busts in and shouts "Wait! Because of a dissonance of moral values most founding fathers probably wouldn't have even taken a woman seriously as a combatant and it would probably piss our American audience off to have their folk hero founders berate and demean them!
ALSO BEN FRANKLIN WAS KIND OF A WOMANIZER SO WE'D NEED HIM TO HIT ON HER WHICH IS AWKWARD."

I mean I'd be all for it to be honest. Ever since I played Mass Effect I've tended to pick female characters anyway. But if your story involves interacting with the Founding Fathers you're in for trouble because they just had no idea about what equality and freedom actually meant.

Oh, shit. You know what would be interesting? If you played from the perspective of two characters, the assassin one female, with a partner or brother who was the "public" face of their team. You'd play missions to interact with the contacts and shit as him, and then he'd hand off all the information to his partner/sister who is actually the better assassin and fighter.

it would be a great setup for all sorts of shit where the a guard suspects you but then is smacked over the head by another guard who loudly proclaims the assassin they're looking for is a dude and they let you on your way.

[Solid Snake]

Maybe it's just because they already had the script written out and all the founding fathers were supposed to be absolutely friendly and supporting to the main character when somebody busts in and shouts "Wait! Because of a dissonance of moral values most founding fathers probably wouldn't have even taken a woman seriously as a combatant and it would probably piss our American audience off to have their folk hero founders berate and demean them!
ALSO BEN FRANKLIN WAS KIND OF A WOMANIZER SO WE'D NEED HIM TO HIT ON HER WHICH IS AWKWARD."


...So it's somehow more believable that the Founding Fathers treat a Native American man with respect and hang out with him?
You know, those Native American guys who the Founding Fathers were totally like "Yeah they're not quite human we can totally take their land because they don't own none and lesser rules of civility apply to them or some shit."

You see, if the series is basically bending the rules of the era already by, you know, having Native Americans treated with that degree of respect, and having Assassins and Templars fight each other for world dominance, and having random artifacts bestow great power upon famous people, and having some no-name Italian single-handedly change the course of history, and having all kinds of crazy conspiracy theories be accurate, and having the world end in 2012, I don't think it's a huge stretch to say they can also write women in a slightly more progressive light than the period in question may have warranted.

I mean c'mon, do you think Ezio Auditore's Firenze sequences were actually authentic depictions of what life was like in that era? It's already utterly romanticized. Why accept some forms of romanticism and not others? Because some forms of escapist romanticism of past eras are "accepted" and others aren't?

[Azisien]

Oh, shit. You know what would be interesting? If you played from the perspective of two characters, the assassin one female, with a partner or brother who was the "public" face of their team. You'd play missions to interact with the contacts and shit as him, and then he'd hand off all the information to his partner/sister who is actually the better assassin and fighter.

it would be a great setup for all sorts of shit where the a guard suspects you but then is smacked over the head by another guard who loudly proclaims the assassin they're looking for is a dude and they let you on your way.

Yeah this would be awesome.

[Karrrrrrrrrrrresche]

Fuck wait I guess if they were brother and sister Desmond would only have one of their memories unless somewhere else down the line the family merges.
Or... you know, they really love each other.
I don't think America is ready for that though.



Whatever the case may be then you and your partner are wandering around the city having a day off, not even doing assassin shit and the guards show up and arrest him for being the Assassin and suddenly you realize that whats saved your life is about to doom him because no matter how the character pleads and tells them that she is the assassin and not him they just don't fucking buy it. So they kill him and let her go scott free ready to spend the latter half of the game enacting burning fucking revenge on all of them.

Which sets up a scene immediately afterward where she interacts with one of the founding fathers, who thinks that his friend and one of the best assassins he knows is dead and lashes out at the character for trying to be in a place she shouldn't and you'd get one of those quicktime prompts to slug him.

[Azisien]

I would like to see a female Assassin, but she always uses a Bale Batman voice to help disguise her sex in public.

[Karrrrrrrrrrrresche]

...So it's somehow more believable that the Founding Fathers treat a Native American man with respect and hang out with him?
You know, those Native American guys who the Founding Fathers were totally like "Yeah they're not quite human we can totally take their land because they don't own none and lesser rules of civility apply to them or some shit."

See the thing is after the first time they upped security so the guy who busted in to tell them why their story was dumb before didn't get the chance to do it again.

[Doc ock rokc]

Oh, shit. You know what would be interesting? If you played from the perspective of two characters, the assassin one female, with a partner or brother who was the "public" face of their team. You'd play missions to interact with the contacts and shit as him, and then he'd hand off all the information to his partner/sister who is actually the better assassin and fighter.

it would be a great setup for all sorts of shit where the a guard suspects you but then is smacked over the head by another guard who loudly proclaims the assassin they're looking for is a dude and they let you on your way.

Not only that but imagine the stress and tension you can create by playing the guy in dangerous situations.

While his sister(acutally lets make that Wife so it works without the squik inducing thoughts) would be like Freerunning and fighting he would actually have to figure out ways around guards/templars other then being a monkey and staby staby time. Like manipulating the crowd, using gadgets and stuff, to get to contacts ETC.

You could generate alot of fear in those times where you're powerless and offer a nice way to both keep tension up and change up gameplay.

[Karrrrrrrrrrrresche]

Not only that but imagine the stress and tension you can create by playing the guy in dangerous situations. While his sister would be like Freerunning and fighting he would actually have to figure out ways around guards/templars other then being a monkey and staby staby time. Like manipulating the crowd, using gadgets and stuff, to get to contacts ETC. You could generate alot of fear in those times where you're powerless and offer a nice way to both keep tension up and change up gameplay.

Fucking exactly what I was thinking.
This shit just writes itself.

[Doc ock rokc]

Fucking exactly what I was thinking.
This shit just writes itself.

Not only that but you can also cause more difficulty as the two are shoved into areas of the other's expertise! The husband is caught up in a big brawl (boston tea party? )and he is just trying to get out. while the wife has to move a crowd away from a explosive assassination before it goes bad.

My god it would be awesome!

[Karrrrrrrrrrrresche]

Not only that but you can also cause more difficulty as the two are shoved into areas of the other's expertise! The husband is caught up in a big brawl (boston tea party? )and he is just trying to get out. while the wife has to move a crowd away from a explosive assassination before it goes bad.

My god it would be awesome!

Yeah!
And it'll never fucking happen because Ubisoft can't write!
FUCK YEshit

[Ramary]

Yup, UBISOFT is pretty crappy when it comes to original ideas.

Asscreed was basically a Prince of Persia redo, and Prince of Persia was a franchise revival.

[Solid Snake]

I gotta say I really did love the PS2-era Prince of Persia titles too
...Well, okay, really just Sands of Time and certain segments of Two Thrones
But I guess the gameplay in Warrior Within was also nice

[Magus]

Sands of Time was pretty radically different from the past game, though. More like a franchise reboot on par with Syndicate, except at least they are both platformers.

Also as someone mentioned I can't believe they would let WWII pass by without it being a Templar/Assassin conflict behind the scenes so I would expect a game set in that era at some point (even if it were another person's genetic memories).

As for a modern-setting Assassin's Creed game, as mentioned the uniform would change, and they would probably make it have futuristic gear, like the cloak turns invisible, you have unmanned drone weapons, magnet boots that let you walk on the ceiling, that kind of thing, where Desmond is assassinating people in a near-future environment.

[Kim]

I want to assassinate Hitler!

[Bells]

Gotta be honest here, i see they using WW1 more than WW2... i mean, the can get away with the whole "Close Combat Vs Gun" scenarion on 3 because on that era firearms were still full of problems. But when WW2 comes around... really, the only way to pull a decent AC game there is to pull a full on Splinter cell stealth game...

a couple of errand, slow charging, bad aiming Muskets i can see an assassin overpowering... but a small group of Military soldiers with Machine guns and grenades? No way.

[Ramary]

I want to assassinate Hitler!

We convince him to shoot himself ala Mass Effect 1's end, Fallout.

[Seil]

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