DnD- extravaaaaaganzzzzaaa

[Sifright]

[Drum Roll]

Welcome one and all the inappropriately named thread where in I ask every one that is interested in playing DnD 3.5 at a reasonable time taking into account UK timezone stuff to drop a post below!

Things to know, our DM will be the chemist menace Smartymcbarrrrrelpants! every book can be used but expect the DM to murderise you if you massively twink out.

So sign up below if your interested!

[Mr.Bookworm]

[Drum Roll]

Welcome one and all the inappropriately named thread where in I ask every one that is interested in playing DnD 3.5 at a reasonable time taking into account UK timezone stuff to drop a post below!

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Things to know, our DM will be the chemist menace Smartymcbarrrrrelpants!

fuck yes in

[CABAL49]

German timezone isn't far off. I be in. But will this be a serious game or NPF chat with DnD elements?

[Ecks]

I'm EST. What's the time difference again? I'm playing regardless I just wanted to know for reasons.

[Karrrrrrrrrrrresche]

Can I play a bear?

[Karrrrrrrrrrrresche]

Sorry I meant to ask "Can I play as a bear?"

[Moogle0119]

Well I haven't played 3.5 in a while now. I might be willing to join, just depends on what times you pick along with which days...

Also what level would this be for?

[Ramary]

I have never played before, don't know any of the rules and the chances of me killing the entire campaign are insanely high.

Can I play?

[Professor Smarmiarty]

Man I have to come into the forum.. Its full of nerds in here.
WIll be 3.5, Forgotten realms. I operate an anything goes policy in that you can play whatever youw want but anything you can do the DM can do better.
Don't know on the level- depends what everyone wants to play. 1 is usually the safest.
Timewise I can't do during the day weektimes or Tuesday, Wednesday, Friday or Sat nights( these are smarties boozing times, which may change once I move).
Saturday and Sunday daytime generally best times.
Also you are all dicks.

[Red Mage Black]

I'll show some interest in playing. Been playing too much Pathfinder lately and it'd be nice to get back into something I don't need to open a SRD for to play.

[Professor Smarmiarty]

I'm real down to run Fatal instead so if people want to switch to that its on so bad/

[Azisien]

Where/how would we be playing and like Ecks I am interested but also EST timezone. I guess that's like a 5 hour difference? So I'm probably cool with Sat/Sun days most of the time, but as long as I'm not waking up in the goddamn morning.

[DarkDrgon]

If the time is reasonable I can roll up a bard whenever

I need to say this in every D&D thread: Bard is the best class

[Aldurin]

Dammit, I want to join but Friday is my only true free day. Like, I might maybe be able to join depending on what time is established.

[Grimpond]

Oooh, I could always use some more DND

[tacticslion]

Hey, this isn't going to be like the last time you got me excited to play with you and then did nothing for me, is it?! IS IT?!


...


You tease.

[Ecks]

nvm I'm out I'm not playing FATAL because reasons

[Aldurin]

nvm I'm out I'm not playing FATAL because reasons

Fuck you Ecks, now I have the urge to look up Fatal so I don't go into that part completely blind.

EDIT: WHAT IS THIS SHIT! I'M DROPPING TOO IF SMB USES THIS!

[Sifright]

guys guys it's cool we aren't playing fatal just chill, okay so i'm going to setup a google calender thing later today if you guys all mark the times you are available to partake of dnd goodness on the calender we can find the optimal time for a game session for the majority. I will include the google calender link later today.

[Odjn]

I would like to play a duskblade they're sweet.

[tacticslion]

guys guys it's cool we aren't playing fatal just chill, okay so i'm going to setup a google calender thing later today if you guys all mark the times you are available to partake of dnd goodness on the calender we can find the optimal time for a game session for the majority. I will include the google calender link later today.

I kind of thought it was an obvious joke. I mean: it's FATAL. I've never seen anyone seriously accept it as a "good system"*.

It may have some good points within the general mechanics - I wouldn't know, I couldn't read the whole thing when I was linked to a "free" version - but over-all, the game just seems atrocious.

Plus this is Smarty.

(Oh, and yes, Duskblades are pretty sweet.)

* Okay, yes, it won awards, but I'm pretty sure all the judges have subsequently reneged on said awards, as much as possible.

[Mr.Bookworm]

It may have some good points within the general mechanics

http://pinkie.ponychan.net/chan/files/src/133160200796.gif

I have quite literally shat excrement that had better game mechanics than FATAL.

* Okay, yes, it won awards, but I'm pretty sure all the judges have subsequently reneged on said awards, as much as possible.If FATAL has won awards, they are awards created entirely by FATAL's authors, using "authors" in the loosest possible sense of the word.

Where the hell did you hear that FATAL had won awards, anyway? It's been completely recognized as shit since the day it hit the consciousness of the Internet.

[Satan's Onion]

I have never played before, don't know any of the rules and the chances of me killing the entire campaign are insanely high.

Can I play?

I second this question. We can be inexperience-buddies!

I kind of thought it was an obvious joke. I mean: it's FATAL. I've never seen anyone seriously accept it as a "good system"*.

It may have some good points within the general mechanics - I wouldn't know, I couldn't read the whole thing when I was linked to a "free" version - but over-all, the game just seems atrocious.

...

* Okay, yes, it won awards, but I'm pretty sure all the judges have subsequently reneged on said awards, as much as possible.

Ha. Ha ha. HAhahahahahahahaha you ought to read this (http://www.rpg.net/reviews/archive/14/14567.phtml). (Yes, all of it. It's worth it.)

[Red Mage Black]

guys guys it's cool we aren't playing fatal just chill, okay so i'm going to setup a google calender thing later today if you guys all mark the times you are available to partake of dnd goodness on the calender we can find the optimal time for a game session for the majority. I will include the google calender link later today.

Well, you know I'm pretty much up for... whatever. Too bad it's 3.5, I've had a wonderful idea for a Magus(Pathfinder class). Ah well, so I'm the random variable and available when a 'good day' comes up.

[Aldurin]

Well, I've got a general idea of what I want to do should the scheduling work out for me when we get to it.

Disclaimer: Nikose has been "guiding" me toward the right material for what I want to do. I'm starting to feel evil already.

[Sifright]

Sorry for the delay

https://www.google.com/calendar/render?gsessionid=h07Pm7TQbooqNH0NF_hEzA

That is the calender link I'm not sure if it can be edited freely by any one so that could a be problem let me know if any of you have problems

[Professor Smarmiarty]

Ummm so long story short unless I can find somewhere to live in the UK in like the next 2 weeks with pretty much no money in my bank Imma get deported so this probably won't start for a while.

But we can still plan it. How we use calendar. Causeit like individual days and I work on like a weekly schedule.

[Sifright]

Ummm so long story short unless I can find somewhere to live in the UK in like the next 2 weeks with pretty much no money in my bank Imma get deported so this probably won't start for a while.

But we can still plan it. How we use calendar. Causeit like individual days and I work on like a weekly schedule.

So when you create the event using the create event button there is a toggle for repeating you can set it to repeat daily weekly or monthly

[Professor Smarmiarty]

But like how do we know what tiems are good for people! I ask you magic man!

E: Also Tactics- as I remember last time I was all ready to go, had everything planned out and you fuckers never got yourself organised. DICKS!

[Sifright]

well basically every one sets up the event to repeat weekly with their own times they are available with a different colour, the place with the most over lapping colours wins!

[DarkDrgon]

I'm open to running a game for a while until smarty figures out what he's doing.

[Professor Smarmiarty]

Everybody just put when you are free in the thread!!
Convert it to britain times you lazy fucks.
Smarty times:
Mon, Thursday 7pm-1am
Sat 10:30am-5pm
Sun 10:30-5pm (best) 7pm-1am (possible)
Someone can put that in the calnedar if youwant.

[Aldurin]

Added your times on the calendar for you. Already looks like Mondays would work out for me, but we're gonna need input from the others to be sure on a time. I could settle on a weekend time but walmart scheduling is random and stupid and it would take two weeks for my availability to change on their scheduling.

EDIT: Google Calendar won't let me put your preferred Sunday time where it should go properly, so that first hour won't show up.

[Geminex]

Do you allow homebrew classes? I will join if I can play this one. (http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/Economist_%283.5e_Class%29)

Edit: And he will be chaotic good.

[Aldurin]

Do you allow homebrew classes? I will join if I can play this one. (http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/Economist_%283.5e_Class%29)

Edit: And he will be chaotic good.

WIll be 3.5, Forgotten realms. I operate an anything goes policy in that you can play whatever youw want but anything you can do the DM can do better.

I think this is Smarty's way of saying anything within reason. Which I hope is true since I'm wanting to utilize a non-standard class.

[Aldurin]

Nikolas Kneeshaw says
Every spell is part of you
and you're an evil fuck

Aldurin - says
geez

Nikolas Kneeshaw says
^^
like it's OSTENSIBLY possible to play a Lawful Neutral Dread Necromancer but I don't know anyone who would

Aldurin - says
I might have to
since Geminex is being a fucktard who wants to make a Chaotic Good character

Nikolas Kneeshaw says
What, no evil alignments allowed?

Aldurin - says
so it would conflict

Nikolas Kneeshaw says
Turn Geminex into a a Wight, problem solved
Actually even easier

Aldurin - says
I don't know if he'd like that

Nikolas Kneeshaw says
Summon a host of shadows, have them use their strength draining touch, turn Geminex into a Shadow
who cares if he likes it?

Aldurin - says
oh nice

Nikolas Kneeshaw says
he's now an undead shadow minion

Aldurin - says
Shadows would be awesome
since they rape anything that doesn't do magical damage

Nikolas Kneeshaw says
technically you could choose to kill the shadow that actually spawned him, and let him take 3 levels to get all of his class levels and abilities back, while keeping the undead type
and then just rebuke/control him constnatly

Aldurin - says
that would be the best-case scenario
as it would piss him off to high hell

Nikolas Kneeshaw says
Yep

[Professor Smarmiarty]

This is why you should never talk to Nikose.
Also economists are dumb.

[Aldurin]

This is why you should never talk to Nikose.
Also economists are dumb.

Ironically enough Nikose agrees with you on the economist part.

[Professor Smarmiarty]

For rather different regions I'd imagine..

[Grimpond]

any time after 5:00 p.m. EST except mondays and wednesdays

[Satan's Onion]

Incidentally, did we ever get confirmation on whether y'all would be cool with noobs like me and Ramary joining you, or whether it would cramp your style or something? I don't wanna be a lead weight on everyone else, but "play D&D" is on my bucket list, so.

[Professor Smarmiarty]

Newbies are welcome. To be honest I'm sort of a newbie in that while I have years of DM experience I've never done it online before- only done real life.
We'll need to give you a run through of the rules at some point beforehand .

[DarkDrgon]

D&D isn't that complicated, especially in 3.X (other than grapple rules... fuck that nonsense), its usually just "Roll a 20 sider, if you beat the target roll this die to see how much you affected something"

[Aldurin]

Talk to me or nikose for general pointers, also check the NPF chat since there's always a minimum of 2 DnD nerds on there at all times.

http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/Main_Page

Here's a link for a very useful reference for the system, just make sure any pages say 3.5e and not 3e or 4e.

[Professor Smarmiarty]

To play with Smarty you have to learn the detailed history of at least 6 monstrous races and write an essay on how their social structures should be reformed to improve their ultimate evolutionary goal- maximum evil- alongside suggestions for how these policies could be implemented most realistically.

[Aldurin]

To play with Smarty you have to learn the detailed history of at least 6 monstrous races and write an essay on how their social structures should be reformed to improve their ultimate evolutionary goal- maximum evil- alongside suggestions for how these policies could be implemented most realistically.

Humans, elves, dwarves, halflings, orcs and gnomes spent a long time killing eachother. The way to fix it is to throw more booze-fueled interspecies orgies.

Do I qualify now?

[Professor Smarmiarty]

Is your listing of humans among the monstrous races a Hobbesian reference or a fuckup on your part?

[Aldurin]

Is your listing of humans among the monstrous races a Hobbesian reference or a fuckup on your part?

I'm listing the humans that were in the brothel your mom visited last night.

[Odjn]

I'm still interested, I'm available thurs/fri/sat/sun. I am a newbie, but I have some knowledge on how the game works and spells and shit. I totally read a lot of the srd for fun, that's how nerdy I am.

[Geminex]

Okay, just to clarify, the only reason I actually posted here was to troll smarty with the economist class. I didn't actually want to play one.
Mind you, this is looking interesting, and I'd have time on Sunday. I also recently acquired a bunch of DnD sourcebooks, so that's fun! Prestige classes and skill tricks ahoy!

So sure, when I'm back in germany, why not.

As long as Nikose and Earl don't try to murder me out of spite as soon at the game starts, that is.

[Professor Smarmiarty]

Don't be racist Gem.

[Nikose Tyris]

As long as Nikose and Earl don't try to murder me out of spite as soon at the game starts, that is.

No no, I'm not actually playing in this. Earl was just looking for advice and you were just used as an example.

[Geminex]

Oh, I wasn't even referring to that conversation. I just generally assume that people want to murder me out of spite.

[Nikose Tyris]

Oh.

in that case yes.

[Aldurin]

Oh, I wasn't even referring to that conversation. I just generally assume that people want to murder me out of spite.

Smarty, I think this calls for a psychotic Nikose-inspired NPC to come out of nowhere and slay a single party member before killing himself.

[Aldurin]

Oh Smarty, are we allowed outright custom stuff for our characters or just anything non-standard that appears in other books?

[Odjn]

Man I have to come into the forum.. Its full of nerds in here.
WIll be 3.5, Forgotten realms. I operate an anything goes policy in that you can play whatever youw want but anything you can do the DM can do better.
Don't know on the level- depends what everyone wants to play. 1 is usually the safest.
Timewise I can't do during the day weektimes or Tuesday, Wednesday, Friday or Sat nights( these are smarties boozing times, which may change once I move).
Saturday and Sunday daytime generally best times.
Also you are all dicks.

^^^^

Also, who is currently playing and suchlike.

[Professor Smarmiarty]

Oh Smarty, are we allowed outright custom stuff for our characters or just anything non-standard that appears in other books?
ANYTHING GOES. FFS.
Like at some point I'd like to have a look at what you are playing but the only real requirement is it sweet and not shit.

^^^^

Also, who is currently playing and suchlike.

Fucking nobody knows. I've nominated Sif as the secretary to organise things like this.

[tacticslion]

But like how do we know what tiems are good for people! I ask you magic man!

E: Also Tactics- as I remember last time I was all ready to go, had everything planned out and you fuckers never got yourself organised. DICKS!

I'll thank you to read the last dag-gum post in the other thread (http://www.nuklearforums.com/showthread.php?t=39860&page=5), before spreading such calamatous lies, you fiendish cur! Blackguard! Despoiler of my good name! Fie! Fie, I say! And nominating Sif! When clearly, I have the organizational skills to be your secretary!

(Also, I'll only be wishing I was joining, thanks! And Sif's a pretty good idea.)

((Also, also, I actually ran, like, half a game one time! We almost had a whole adventure! While waiting! For YOU! N00b! I mean, you couldn't even be bothered to show up for your own group's inevitable disillusion, disappointment, and dispersal! Maaaaaaaaaan!))

[Professor Smarmiarty]

I set up a time and a room and everything and not a single one of you fucking shits showed up. TWO WEEKS IN A ROW. Then you dudes started running your own adventure so I thought you were doing your own thing.

[Aldurin]

Chicken-infested is the best flaw, especially if you're a dread necromancer. Trust me on this.

[tacticslion]

I set up a time and a room and everything and not a single one of you fucking shits showed up. TWO WEEKS IN A ROW. Then you dudes started running your own adventure so I thought you were doing your own thing.

You did whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat?!?

There is no post there that indicates anything like that!

[Professor Smarmiarty]

We sorted it out in MSN and shit.

[tacticslion]

We sorted it out in MSN and shit.

But! But! But! ... I wasn't on MSN. And I lack interest in bowel movements! (A character flaw, I know!)

[CABAL49]

People still use MSN?

[Azisien]

Hey no one showed up to our first session.

I mean it was on MSN.

And it wasn't advertised.

And I didn't mention it to anyone, and I just made it up now.

But yeah you all missed it. What assholes!

[Professor Smarmiarty]

Azi you werne't even down to play in the original group. What the fuck.
And I did tell everybody about it and they said they would show up and then didn't.

But! But! But! ... I wasn't on MSN. And I lack interest in bowel movements! (A character flaw, I know!)

That'll be why you missed it then.
But yeah iits easier for me to just organise shit on MSN than the forum so that'll be pretty much how it'll run. Organising anything ont eh forum takes like a month because you gotta what for everybody to post back in forth but on the msn it takes like 5 minutes because you can all just reply straight away.

See this is why I need a secretary to put shit in the forums so when you cunts don't show up I can point to the forum and be like see there.



Also do we have 4 people who are down to play at the same time?
Cause otherwise we might as well pack it up. Currentely we seem to have 0 players. Like 1 person has made a character and nobody has committed to any times.

People still use MSN?
Cool dudes do. We also pass notes in class. Bringing it all back. Freestyling.

[tacticslion]

*weeps about missing an SMB game*
*then gets on with life*

(edit: Seriously, though, I'm sorry I missed your game. I didn't know!)

[Relm Zephyrous]

Well, I'll give it a go. Since you asked, relevant bits.
Any time Sunday and Monday afternoon / early nights will be fine for me.
I have a lvl 1 character made, but I don't know what else I'd actually want past that. I'm thinking a Sorcerer, and the most I'd probably ask for are actual class features for a Sorcerer. Since the rest of it I can handle with whatever books/pdfs I have/can find.


Unless you meant make a background for the characters, and all of that. This much I'd need to think about a little more, as well as know what the typical game with Smarty is like.

[Aldurin]

Ok, working with your generic time frames for availability, I've determined that Sundays from around 2-5 PST. Since I've got work this sunday and only one other person seems to have a character ready I recommend starting on April 8. That work for everyone?

[Azisien]

Azi you werne't even down to play in the original group. What the fuck.
And I did tell everybody about it and they said they would show up and then didn't.

Sure I was. I was just one of the EST people that wondered what the deal was with play times and nothing really seemed to materialize in the thread and about a third of the way in I stopped paying attention because people were bantering about nothing.

You probably took things to MSN for the exact same reason. But, I don't have ANY NPFers on MSN I don't think. Or maybe I do, but I definitely don't have anyone in this thread.

And my status is pretty much the same as before. I have a few open time slots and if there's room with your group then I can probably play, and if not, then not.

[Odjn]

I haven't made a character because I have no idea what's going on. I don't know about MSN or anything.

[Aldurin]

I haven't made a character because I have no idea what's going on. I don't know about MSN or anything.

You know, I should be asking that too.

YO SMARTY-McSMART-SMARTS, WUT IS YO MSN NAME?

[Sifright]

Im making a character by the end of tonight will be ready to rock some faces off

[Professor Smarmiarty]

my msn is in the little clicky thing on the side of my profile. I also have skype but my voice is too amazing for anybody else to hear.

We can organise in the thread if we want but I get confused easily. You don't need a character yet- just post when you are available and then somebody (*sif* ) can sort out a good time we should play then f you can make that you can amke a character and rock out.

[Geminex]

Yo, I will probably not be able to join until, like 2 weeks' time.
Cause that's when I get back.

It would totes be appreciated if you'd let me join a few sessions late.
I mean if I am honest it is in both our interests.
If you refuse me you would all be missing out on gemilicious, beguiler-y goodness.

[Aldurin]

Actually, you can go ahead and start out this weekend without me, too. Dread Necromancer isn't exactly all that great at anything until second level (dat DR man).

[Odjn]

I have a rough character made, but I'd like to talk to Smarty before doing anything more. Has anyone seen him? He's not been on msn.

[Sifright]

Guys shoot me the times your available in a pm, i'll sort stuff out, smarty is currently in the process of moving in and out of england due to immigration shit. He has a job lined up but the uk are being cunts about granting him a visa.

Any way fire away the PMs i'll update this thread when i have more info around

[Odjn]

Sif, could you post the stuff you know when you get a chance? Current player list, classes if they've got 'em,. etc? Example, smarty was saying level 2 was the starting level I think.

[Sifright]

Sif, could you post the stuff you know when you get a chance? Current player list, classes if they've got 'em,. etc? Example, smarty was saying level 2 was the starting level I think.

wrote a big ass post, Internet devoured it. Will write up something tomorrow morning.


TLDR for tomorrow Smarty could host a game but his living situation isn't very stable and so game session lengths and time slots would be all over the place.


Edit: adding sexy for smarty

http://www.farouttheatre.com/fakelookalike/gary/dolph-lundgren-flat-top-rocky.jpg

[Professor Smarmiarty]

SEXY SEXY SEXY

[Geminex]

Ooutta curiosity, who's playing what?

I'm thinking of a beguiler. Strong enchantment and illusion magic, and loooots of skill points. Caster, so bad in mainline combat, but with a pretty nice spell list. Also have trap detection. Also, I wanna take a bunch of vows, including vow of nonviolence, but that in particular would impair the combat ability of any martial characters, so I'll see what you guys are doing.

I know that Earl's going for a Dread Necromancer and Relm, I think, wants a sorceror. What about the rest of you?

[Professor Smarmiarty]

I'm playing an evil bard. He's got an evil harp and when he plays it evil stuff happens.

[Aldurin]

Evil bards are required to play electric (read: magically powered) guitars.

[Sifright]

Okay, here is what I know so far.

I will eventually be playing a binder. They operate primarily as warriors with sweet shit on the side.

Geminex will be playing a beguiler I know shit all about how beguilers function.^_^




We could possibly in theory play on Sunday if people get their sheets together. I believe we are starting at level 2 from everything else i've heard so far, so lets work with that assumption for character creation.

http://www.myth-weavers.com/sheetindex.php

I highly recommend every one create their sheets or at least store them using that website.

[Professor Smarmiarty]

Do we even know who is playing?
Sif and Gem are in. Anybody else who wants in hit me up on chat or on MSN. We are putting Sundays Britain time as the play time.
We need at least 2 more confirmed. If you can only play occassionally that ok.
Though it still going to be random when I have a house.

[Nikose Tyris]

I'm pretty sure Aldurin is confirmed as in. I'm posting in his stead since he's likely asleep or eating breakfast.

[Geminex]

A) Full disclosure, Nikose: Are you actually earl in disguise?
B) I really hope our game turns out like this: http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0046/0046_01.asp
C) My character sheet: http://www.myth-weavers.com/sheetview.php?sheetid=390563
D) I'm not sure about skills yet, I'll probably reassign some points once I know who's doing what. But I have 11 per level, so I can take care ofa lot of things.

[Nikose Tyris]

A) I am not, but he's been asking me way too many questions lately that involve necromancy, so that's a thing. I've purposely directed him away from the ridiculously dumb stuff and into the more fun stuff.
B) Fucking Jack Chick.
C) ...how cute, your Evil character with good-aligned vows, as opposed to the wall of vile vow options. House rules ahoy.

[Geminex]

A) So, yes?
C) Does evil even have any vow options? All I say is self-mutiliation. 'sides, alignment restrictions are silly. Why can't an evil character pledge themselves to a cause? Or forsake material posessions to come closer to enlightenment?

[Nikose Tyris]

A) I only advised. He did everything on his own in the end. [Else he'd be playing a Gestalt Necro build that starts with a small army of corpses.]

B) Oh, Evil has a ton of vow-like options. Let me grab a few examples! They aren't in BoVD like you'd expect; they're interspersed throughout the Fiendish Codex's and in the Forgotten Realms books. I'll just post the Fiendish Codex examples that I particularly enjoy here [And no, nothing borders on the power of Vow of Poverty.]

Any of the Devil-touched feats from Fiendish Codex II are fantastic; Devil's Favor, the base feat, gives: +2 bonus on attack, save, or check 1/day per devil-touched feat you have.
The follow up feats Create Fear Auras, Bonuses to natural armor & intimidation, Darkvision & Blindsight, permanent HP Boost & Fast Healing, and a Daze Spell Like ability. The Daze is probably the least useful tbh.

Fiendish Codex I has Abyssal Heritor Feats which, while they don't trump the power of Vow of Poverty, can definitely trump pretty much everything else; just to name two examples:
Otherworldy Countenance - Gain bonus on Perform or Intimidate checks, and fascinate or sicken foes a number of times per day, equal to the number of Abyssal heritor feats you possess.

Keeper of Forbidden Lore: Gain +1 bonus on Knowledge (the planes), Spellcraft, and bardic knowledge checks for each Abyssal heritor feat; Knowledge (the planes) and spellcraft are always class skills for you, and you can use them untrained.



And alignment restrictions are mostly for flavor, but the Sacred[Good] Vows are for a relatively decent purpose involving who you made your promise to, and who's going to reward you. Shar ain't likely to reward you for helping others, for example. Although, with Shar's bent of Nihilism, she might be the only Evil Goddess I can picture where Vow of Poverty would work. I'd just tie it to Evil Brand or one of the Evil Pledges from Lords of Darkness instead of Sacred Vow.

I know Evil Vow options exist in the Forgotten Realms books, but all of mine are packed at the moment, and I don't keep digital copies of the FR books. I'm sorry! I am pretty sure that the book I'm thinking of is Lords of Darkness. [EDIT: Definitely not Lords of Darkness. What's the other "Evil" Forgotten Realms book. I'm gonna go digging for it.] [EDIT 2: Champions of Ruin. That's the title.]

But hey! Not my game, I'm just throwin' words at the screen to see what fits.

Edit the Third: Yeah so if it were me, I'd ditch Sacred Vow, put Initiate of Shar in it's place, tweaking it only slightly to be Arcanely devoted instead of Divine, [literally changing nothing but the pre-requisite] and make that the prerequisite for Vow of Poverty [maybe even change up VoP's features from DR evil to DR good, swapping out the sacred feats to be vile/favor feats, depending on your preference.

[Geminex]

That's interesting, actually. But really, I wasn't gonna be divinely focused, and I wasn't aware that the various vows were so deeply divine. Shar is there cause, in FR, you need a deity, but Karl's decision to abandon property doesn't tie into his commitment to Shar, it ties into his backstory. And the fact that you're looking at FR's first communist revolutionary.

Edit: In any case, thanks, though! I am fairly happy with how things are right now, but I#ll definitely keep that in mind for my next evil character.

[Aldurin]

I can start next sunday, I've got plans for today.

[Odjn]

Working on character sheet, going to be a duskblade, probably going to dip into sand shaper for extra spells. Any tips, nikose?

[Geminex]

Sweet, another melee character. Kinda-sorta.
What can sand shaper do?

[Odjn]

Can make stuff out of sand, gives me more spells to learn (duskblade has a limited list, and also makes me get dispel magic earlier along with making statbuffs level 1 spells). It makes me lose one spell level of casting progression but lets me keep my caster level if I carry a 15 bag of sand (which I'll probably double to have material to make crap).

Edit: Rough character sheet, lemme know what I did wrong! http://www.myth-weavers.com/sheetview.php?sheetid=390666

[Nikose Tyris]

The second you start dipping into homebrew territory you're pretty far off the map for me. Plus, I was giving Gem ideas because he posted the sheet and you can see more what he was going for- and even then I was off. Give me some more of the flavor your going for, and it'll take a sock-gag to shut me up. :P

[Odjn]

Homebrew? wat. Sandstorm is a legit book!

Also, posted my char sheet. Not sure I did it right. I'm NG, going for power attack+channel spell for excellent damage. Plan on picking up Arcane Strike and maybe Arcane Disciple for more spellz. Basically anything that gives me A) more touch spells to channel B) more self buffs or C) more melee power.

[Geminex]

You get 6 skill points per level, man. 2 base, 3 int, 1 racial. So you can allocate 4 more than you already have! You also get a racial bonus feat, cause humans are cool like that.

Also, greatsword damage should be 2d6+6, I think? Cause 1.5x str bonus.

Also, damn all you people who actually rolled dice.
Why are your stats so much higher than mine?

[Odjn]

I have two feats- versatile spellcaster and power attack. I think I get another next level?

Edit: where is yo four armor ac coming from Gem?

[Geminex]

Oh, I overlooked that. No, you don't get another. Herpa derp.

My AC is from Vow of poverty. That gives me a ton of sweet bonuses, but I can't own posessions. No armor or magic items.

http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/Vow_of_Poverty

And speaking of vows, here's another vow I'd like to take:
dndtools.eu/feats/book-of-exalted-deeds--52/vow-of-nonviolence--3078/

Vow of nonviolence! It gives me +4 to enchantment and illusion DCs against humanoid or monstrous human enemies, but I can't deal any kind of lethal damage to them. If it were just that, I'd take it in a flash, since I'm battlefield control and enchantment anyway.

Unfortunately...
Your purity is so great that any ally of yours who slays a helpless or defenseless foe within 120 feet of you feels great remorse. Your ally takes a -1 morale penalty on his attack rolls for 1 hour per your character level. For each helpless foe slain, the attack penalty increases by 1, to a maximum equal to your character level. The duration of the increased penalty starts from the latest slaying. You may ask your allies to give you an oath that a helpless foe will not be slain. If the oath is sworn, an ally who later breaks the oath takes the penalty for doing so as if you were present. If you leave a helpless foe to be killed by your allies, you have broken your vow.
While you guys can kill humanoid or monstrous human enemies, you take penalties to your attack rolls when you go after helpless or defenseless foes. There's no way to block or counter these.

This might be bad if we incapacitate enemies, rather than killing them, or if they, heavens forbid, surrender to us. It doesn't have to be terrible! There's nothing saying you can't just injure them and leave them to bleed out, or capture them and sell them as slaves. But it's still something that can inhibit our martial characters significantly, especially in the thick of combat. So I kinda wanna check with you guys first. What're your views? Will it screw you over if I take this?

[Odjn]

I intend to be a murder machine so yes.

[Geminex]

Keep in mind, this is only helpless foes. If he's attacking you, you can attack him right back. Like, I won't take it if you guys really think it'd hurt you. But some more justification would be appreciated? This is a major bonus i'd be foregoing.

[Odjn]

Ehhhhhhh I'll do it if everyone else does it. At later levels I guess I can just teleport you away if I need to kill a helpless dude.

[Relm Zephyrous]

I've finished up my character sheet, and playing a Sorcerer. On the one hand I'm worried because while I have decent enough hp and good utility in battle and out, I can't actually deal any real damage to a foe on my own and it looks like we're all playing casters. On the other hand, I see a duskblade, so I know we have at least one physical damage dealer around.

http://www.myth-weavers.com/sheetview.php?sheetid=390855

Also because it seems that Gem is going for something which makes incapacitating opponents bad, and my sorc build is all about incapacitating foes to make them easier to kill. And charm person, but that's a whole different level of stuff.

[Nikose Tyris]

Ahh, Sorry Odjn; I just read Sand Shaper and the PrC didn't leap to mind right away. ^^' I'm reading it right now- I've never used this PrC before!

....Ahaha. I see! So your Level 6 feat will be Touchstone, clearly. (For your PrC mentioned)

OTOH, you should also look at Battlecaster Offense and Battlecaster Defense, (from Complete Mage), and Armored Mage (Complete Arcane), depending on your preferences.

Offense gives you perks for Castin' and Slashin', Defense gives you perks for castin' defensively and covering your ass when you're in melee.

Armored mage just upgrades the level of armor your wearing. I usually use it on Warmages so that at level 8 I'm running around in Full Plate.

[Odjn]

Ahh, Sorry Odjn; I just read Sand Shaper and the PrC didn't leap to mind right away. ^^' I'm reading it right now- I've never used this PrC before!

....Ahaha. I see! So your Level 6 feat will be Touchstone, clearly. (For your PrC mentioned)

OTOH, you should also look at Battlecaster Offense and Battlecaster Defense, (from Complete Mage), and Armored Mage (Complete Arcane), depending on your preferences.

Offense gives you perks for Castin' and Slashin', Defense gives you perks for castin' defensively and covering your ass when you're in melee.

Armored mage just upgrades the level of armor your wearing. I usually use it on Warmages so that at level 8 I'm running around in Full Plate.

Duskblade gets to wear up to medium armor, so I was thinking just getting a mithril breastplate or whatever. Because that's kinda unworthy of a feat if a material can replicate it.

Battlecaster offense looks alright, but there's really not that much I'm going to have to overcome DCs with. Defense might be useful for running the hell away with swift expeditious retreat or dimension hop, I'll look into that.

[Nikose Tyris]

http://www.d20srd.org/srd/combat/attacksOfOpportunity.htm#provokinganAttackofOpport unity

http://www.d20srd.org/srd/combat/actionsInCombat.htm#standardCastaSpell

key points to be aware of; And the fix:
http://www.d20srd.org/srd/magicOverview/castingSpells.htm#castingDefensively

just because from my experiences, I tend to get stuck in melee and trying to cast my way out. :/

[Aldurin]

Sifright, can you specify the generic timeframe during sundays that the game will be? Because I have other things with lower priority that I want to work around this.