Tonight i will LOL Hard

[Bells]

As in, i'll play some League Of Legends.

...what?

So, i heard so much about this game and a have a few friends that play it, it seems to be a Coop online game of kinds that is not really like an MMO, as in, has a more casual approach to it... so that appealed to me.

then i saw this video

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And now i just kinds need to play this...

So, anybody else around here plays LoL? Any tips for a newcomer?

[Revising Ocelot]

From all I've heard it has the worst online community in history. And that's saying something.


You might be better waiting for Valve's DOTA 2 to come out, as that may have less vitriolic, slightly more eloquent, >13 years old players.

Possibly. Maybe. Ah, who am I kidding, it'll be just as bad...

[Gregness]

Feel free to friend SerGregness

[Loyal]

So, i heard so much about this game and a have a few friends that play it, it seems to be a Coop online game of kinds that is not really like an MMO, as in, has a more casual approach to it... so that appealed to me.

"Casual" is relative. LoL is probably the most newbie-friendly of the MOBA games, and you can play it for free with only minor inconveniences for awhile, and the community is slightly better (again, relative) by merit of their Tribunal system allowing the playerbase to self-moderate.

But any MOBA game, by definition, is going to be competitive as fuck. There's a lot of things to learn, and a player who doesn't know what he's doing can, if he's bad enough, be even more harmful to his team than if there was no player at all. On the plus side, the game will attempt to match you to players of the same skill level, so the impact of this will be rather understated.

Just know what you're getting into.

[Donomni]

Also a good tip: You probably should get all the low IP cost champions first, as while the game does has a free rotation, you certainly should have some champs you always have access to so you're familiar with them. As far as I know, they aren't really bad champions at all.

Also also: For all that is holy, do not use Master Yi's Recommended Items from the shop as your gear setup. You'll do much better focusing on attack/attack speed, lifesteal, or higher critical chances. I wouldn't normally say this of the item's Riot suggests for newer players, but a lot of folks have told me Yi's item recs are terrible.

One last tip: It's very, very tempting to be a big damn hero(ine), but don't go ahead too far in the lanes. You'll likely get ambushed or wasted by the towers. Play it safe, and stick with the others on your team(unless you are mid, then just pray you are better then the other person).

[Ramary]

From all I've heard it has the worst online community in history. And that's saying something.


You might be better waiting for Valve's DOTA 2 to come out


DOTA 2's beta has an even worst community man. DOTA and all the games based on it have utterly TERRIBLE communities in general. I know it has been awhile since I played LOL but I am damn sure it is not as bad as DOTA itself is.

Although it does have no restrictions on what champs you can even play, all are free to you if you can get into the beta.

[Bells]

Feel free to friend SerGregness

Will be done!

Also, know what i love? Downloading a 1.6gb game and THEN having to download another 1.5gb worth of Updates.... that's so nice.

Thanks for the tips! For the very few videos i saw from this game i was looking to be either a Team buffer or focusing on Speed/Life stealing stuff anyway. That seems like a good strategy to annoy people the fuck out.

[P-Sleazy]

Also, for the first few games, if you're playing PvP, listen to your team if they say stuff. Odds are, more than 50% of the time, they are telling oyu actual helpful tips. Then theres also the 30% of the tiem that their just trolling oyu. But odds are, if you die alot, they'll start telling you how to play better.

[Ramary]

But odds are, if you die alot, they'll start telling you how to play better.

In PVP proper I am pretty sure they would just yell at you and call you noob, shit, etc.

My advice, play the tutorial and the battle training thing then play a few co-op vs AI games. Get used to the game in them, since you will be less likely to have people who care about you sucking or not in co-op.

[Ryong]

DOTA 2's beta has an even worst community man. DOTA and all the games based on it have utterly TERRIBLE communities in general. I know it has been awhile since I played LOL but I am damn sure it is not as bad as DOTA itself is.

Although it does have no restrictions on what champs you can even play, all are free to you if you can get into the beta.

DOTA2 is SLOWLY starting to work, but until the ranking system is working, yeah, shit community. I keep seeing Brazilians spamming lobbies on chat 'cause they can't get on low priority queues on LOBBIES.

I'll say, I rather prefer not having to buy heroes.

[Grimpond]

I am usually online in the evening as myself, feel feel to poke me for some shenanigans

[Vauron]

To expand on the 'big damn heros' comment, your tower is a relative area of safety. If you are far from your tower, it is easy for an enemy to get behind you and cut off your escape route. It can be a rude awakening when you thought things were going well and you were keeping Fiora from getting gold when suddenly Udyr is there and oh crap you just died.

I wouldn't mind playing with you. I'm Vauron in LoL as well.

[TDK]

DOTA 2...have less vitriolic, slightly more eloquent players.


Hahahahahaha


No but seriously. Dota 2's community is absolute ass. LoL's is actually fairly friendly. Not even relatively, like at least 50% of people on lol are genuinely not dicks. There are some serious dicks, but no moreso than any other game. Its probably more friendly than your average computer game.

A trend you'll notice is as you go up in level, the childish dickishness goes down. Of course, the retarded level elitism and stuff goes up.

Something to learn early on is that team composition is much more important than what champion you want to play. A weak team comp will make or break a game. Do you really want to lose the game just because you wanted to play Annie?

You'll want to get comfortable with a variety of characters and positions for this reason. You want at least one (probably more) AD, AP, tank, assassin, etc. And be comfortable solo topping, botting, jungling, and midding.

People are much more friendly, and the games much smoother, once you get into moderately high level draft games.

[Bells]

So, i played around for a bit... and i'm going to add you guys! Be sure of it.

here is my overall experience... Sadly, the good content costs quite a LOT of money. Right now i can only get, maybe 140 IP from a match and every Hero i want costs no less than 1300... ended up picking the cheap Angel Girl one whose name i forget now.

Funny enough she is a melee tank with no AOE attacks and just one single slow Buff. 100% not my type of character.... but looks so pweetyy!!

Actually..... it's kinda weird but out of 10 characters i checked out for future investiment 9 (no kidding, 9) that i honestly said to myself were good matches to my playstatile were Hot Cartoon chicks....

huh...

I also managed to unlock quite a few Rune spaces and decided to experiment (since runes are cheap) by getting only runes that raise my damage as my level goes up in game. right now i'm rocking 6 of these at the same time and nothing else...

Then there are the 2 mods i played Coop vs Ai, there is the Team vs Team that works just fine when it works (stupid fuckers wanna solo the map....) when i get a team that works it WORKS. I mean, right of the bat i had someone noticing i was a noob and he automatically said "Stay behind me and give support untill you get the hang of it".

Also was fun when 2 Asian guys managed into my Team and started talking chinese while owning the whole map... was like watching a live meme.

Then there is the other game mode... the "capture the points" mode.

That sucks! It just blows... specially since my team, 3 out of 3 times turned out to be Stupid dicks.

I mean, how easy is that? Pick 2 nodes, cut trough the map to pick one on the other side that is unguarded, the spread to the 2 next to it. Rinse and repat. How fucking easy is that? and yet... they just run in circles and solo.

So..... it's really not a bad game at all. But as with all squad based games, the squad makes or break the game for you.

As a natural consequence of all of this i'm now downloading SD Gundam Capsule fighter online and Battlestar Galactica Online, together with Champions online it will be my 3 MMO's for now.

[Yumil]

A few suggestions:
1. Don't buy runes till you are level 20. They don't give really any kind of bonus til tier three, you can't sell them(but you can turn 5 of a lower tier into 1 random one of the next tier) and they are generally a waste of IP till tier 3.

2. Get annie and practice last hitting with her. Her Q refunds all mana invested in it when she last hits something. It's very easy to get used to last hitting minions for gold using her. She's cheap and relatively fun too.

3. Dominion is best played in PvP. In coop vs ai, you either get people that shouldnt be playing coop(far too good) or you get people who think the mode is a death match due to the fastness of it. One person should pick either a character with good zoning abilities or is able to push minions well and stay at bottom, all the rest should rush top. Bottom should be ganked randomly as well as enemy mid be ninjad(at least neutralized) randomly to pull pressure off either top or bottom and win the node. Use the fog of war constantly! Also, watch enemy builds, you'll often get a full AD team in the normal queue and getting armor items and thornmail literally screws them up.

4. Get used to self targeting(alt) and smart targeting(shift). It'll speed up your gameplay quite a bit when you are not click targeting.

My name on there is Quasari, feel free to add me.

[Vauron]

here is my overall experience... Sadly, the good content costs quite a LOT of money. Right now i can only get, maybe 140 IP from a match and every Hero i want costs no less than 1300... ended up picking the cheap Angel Girl one whose name i forget now.
Matches against other players give more ip, but buying a champion will still be expensive. I heavily suggest that you do not buy any champ without trying them first. 450ip champions are cheap enough to be exempt from that, however.

Funny enough she is a melee tank with no AOE attacks and just one single slow Buff. 100% not my type of character.... but looks so pweetyy!!
Kayle is actually a Support/Carry who does in fact have an aoe. When you activate her E her autoattack becomes ranged and does aoe damage. Kayle doesn't have the disruption needed to be a tank, but her 'lol no' ult and heal let her support, while her slow and e work for carrying.


I also managed to unlock quite a few Rune spaces and decided to experiment (since runes are cheap) by getting only runes that raise my damage as my level goes up in game. right now i'm rocking 6 of these at the same time and nothing else...
While tier 1 runes, the ones you can buy now, are cheap enough that it wont hurt to buy them, tier 2 runes are expensive, so you are better off just saving up for tier 3 runes instead of buying any tier 2s.

[Revising Ocelot]

Did neither of you read the part where I admitted DOTA2 would have an equally worse community? Fucks sake. THIS IS WHY I'M A COMPLETE FUCKING MORON.

[Donomni]

Actually..... it's kinda weird but out of 10 characters i checked out for future investiment 9 (no kidding, 9) that i honestly said to myself were good matches to my playstatile were Hot Cartoon chicks....

LoL has a bit of a... problem when it comes to making ladies not look like large-breasted supermodels. The exceptions are either Yordles, who are universally small folks of any gender, super-obviously-not-humanoids like Anvia(she's a bird)... or Annie.

It's over-saturation. Anyways, there's always talk and articles about it: You may want to check The Border House (http://borderhouseblog.com/?p=7563), to start.

I think Riot said they'd try to get better at this, or something, but I'll believe it when I see it.

[Vauron]

Would you count Lux, Irelia, Karma, and Shyvana as 'large breasted supermodels'? Still, female champions that would fit better on the catwalk than on the battlefield are distressingly common.

[TDK]

Would you count Lux, Irelia, Karma, and Shyvana as 'large breasted supermodels'?

Yes. Those four just don't actively display cleavage. (Though I have to wonder if Lux is actually attractive, because it specifically says in her backstory she can effortlessly create incredibly realistic illusions, so if she WAS ugly, then she would just illusion herself pretty.)

LoL has a bit of a... problem when it comes to making ladies not look like large-breasted supermodels. The exceptions are either Yordles, who are universally small folks of any gender, super-obviously-not-humanoids like Anvia(she's a bird)... or Annie.

Man screw you, Poppy is a sexy woman.



And yeah, don't bother buying runes until 20. Lower level runes ain't shit and you're going to want the money for champions anyway.

You're really complaining about needing to play ten games to unlock a champion? :S Presumably you want to play the game anyway, so what's the big deal about playing for a while to get new champs? There's several free champs every week anyway. The champions taking a while to unlock is the tradeoff of the game being free. You can always spend really money and unlock whatever you want. But anything that actually affects gameplay can be bought with IP, RP only things just being costumes pretty much. Everything is free unless you *want* to spend money.

[Donomni]

Would you count Lux, Irelia, Karma, and Shyvana as 'large breasted supermodels'? Still, female champions that would fit better on the catwalk than on the battlefield are distressingly common.

I'll concede on that. Shoot, I thought I got them all, too. I especially have no clue why I forgot Lux, considering her final design is the result of fans actually pointing this design problem out.

[Ramary]

I can kinda explain the supermodel thing.

Blame Blizzard.

All of Blizzard's female WC3 models were basically like that, and it was pretty stupid. So when DOTA All stars used all the models it could for the females, we got a bunch of supermodels in DOTA. Even DOTA 2 which Valve is making, and they are one of the best as far as not exploiting the female characters they make go, has to stay somewhat true to the original models of all stars. So that means CLEAVAGE FUCKING EVERYWHERE. Really, at this point it is a tradition in MOBA games. It is stupid but let us not forget that sex sells.

[01d55]

Tier 1 runes are so cheap they may as well be free, but definitely don't buy tier 2.

Learn how to jungle, it's a big deal. You want to focus on junglers that can gank 1v2 lanes, so you can relieve the pressure on the solo laner asap. But learn how to clear it in a practice or co-op vs ai, never subject yourself to the humiliation of dying to creeps.

The #1 thing to practice is last hitting minions. Creep score is win score.
I can kinda explain the supermodel thing.

Blame Blizzard.


No, that's stupid. Blame the Male Gaze (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaze). Blizzard didn't invent that shit, they do it because they've never seen it done any other way, same as everyone who isn't doing it because ~bonerz~.

At least Blizzard is employing at least one artist who can imagine a large woman (http://us.battle.net/d3/en/class/barbarian/). Compare that to Sejuani. :mad:

[Bells]

I hear that term "To jungle" a lot. Is that just learning to work those little bushes?

[Grimpond]

jungling is when you stay out of the lanes and kill mobs in the jungle, which allows ofr ganking in the lanes as it's a blind spot for the other team

[Bells]

just stumbled on this

http://d24w6bsrhbeh9d.cloudfront.net/photo/3833333_700b_v1.jpg

[01d55]

I hear that term "To jungle" a lot. Is that just learning to work those little bushes?

Here's a reasonable video of someone playing as a jungler
Youtubed (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CRr8ZPXOMh8)

[Yumil]

I'm looking for someone to help me do a few tests. Easiest one being how Galio's(he's free) wind stacks with Hecarims e as they are both applied post other bonuses. I'm working on a theory on team comp and Hec and need the data. Would be just a quick custom game to test the numbers.

The other tests are to see when a few champs I don't have apply their movespeed buffs in the formula. Nunu and Sivir pretty much. So if you are interested in helping just say so and when you'd be available.

Name is Quasari, feel free to friend me if need be.

[PhoenixFlame]

2. Get annie and practice last hitting with her. Her Q refunds all mana invested in it when she last hits something. It's very easy to get used to last hitting minions for gold using her. She's cheap and relatively fun too.

Seconded.

I pretty much did this and then proceeded to roll people with Annie all the way into ranked, and then did them there too. She's not the best caster, but damn is she straightforward and fun to play.

You pretty much 1.) Approach target 2.) Burn their face off 3.) Laugh as they can't really do anything about it. After a few items anyway, but you should probably out-gold your lane and proceed to dominate the midgame with even moderate proficiency at casters. Q's great for last hitting, alternatively don't bother and just keep pyromania up and farm, as your opponent would have to be an absolute madman to try to harass you.

[TDK]

Eh, the thing about Annie is she's squishy as all get out, her range isn't that great, and she has a painfully slow movement speed.

[PhoenixFlame]

Yeah, she's slow and her range is meh, but her combo lead is clicky and she can AoE stun easily, two things even Morgana is highly jealous of.

Squishiness depends on your build. Never gave me a problem, even agaisnt Leblanc et al (1pt shield is mandatory before 6 and better than given credit for). Everyone knows your Q's range and you can suprise them by flash-Ring or something for a crazy long-ranged stun into what is probably a certain kill.

Bit of cunning can extend those little limitations.

[Gregness]

I just started playing Dominion and MAN is it fun. I think I may enjoy it more than Summoner's rift, though that might be just because I'm winning at it. The thing I like most is that you basically get right into the action and focus entirely on fighting and objectives

You start and level 3 with more gold than normal and gain gold and XP passively so there's very little incentive to farm.

Just crazy hectic team fights nonstop.

[Donomni]

More importantly, Dominion has quite a shorter time for a game than Classic. Great for a quick game, or even just making sure you get your Win of The Day as fast as possible.

Also, in regards to Annie, Stun + Tibbers is THE BEST THING.

Unless you're on the receiving end. Getting bear'd isn't pretty.

[Yumil]

I just started playing Dominion and MAN is it fun. I think I may enjoy it more than Summoner's rift, though that might be just because I'm winning at it. The thing I like most is that you basically get right into the action and focus entirely on fighting and objectives

You start and level 3 with more gold than normal and gain gold and XP passively so there's very little incentive to farm.

Just crazy hectic team fights nonstop.
While there is little incentive to farm, there is major incentive to push minions. Building a minion wave and pushing it into a contested point can easily turn the tide of battle by neutralizing it allowing for an actual fight. Minion kills are not worthless.

[TDK]

GAH. Disabled chat for champion select.

WORST. BUG. EVER.

Just lost three consecutive games because you can't communicate to get a decent team comp.

[Grimpond]

Just pick Mundo. You can never go wrong with mundo

[Yumil]

Just pick Mundo. You can never go wrong with mundo

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[Gregness]

So, with Fiora's ultimate, you dash around doing shitloads of physical damage and also applying on-hit effects like lifesteal and such with each hit.

There's an item called Tiamat which makes all your basic attacks deal 50% splash damage.

These items stack with themselves.

Tiamat works with Fiora's ultimate.

Hilarity ensues:

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[Bells]

Holy Crap.

So, today i got to play as Vayne, it was the hero avaliable... and i tried the tiamat thing with her...

Holy... crap...

By the time i had 4 tiamat (lvl 15) on her, with silver arrow and tumble maxed out, plus Revive and Surge i was popping enemies like a beast, dealing normal splash dmg of about 250 ON THE LOW, without skills, incredible.

[TDK]

I find tiamat is rarely worth it, as nice as its ability is. Like yeah, I could pop them in my Caitlyn build and it'd be a rapetastrophe, but I'd have to give up phantom dancer or infinity edge or some other integral build item. D:

[Gregness]

That's part of the reason it works so well on Fiora; she has a skill that gives BIG attack speed boosts so you don't really need to get attack speed from items.

[synkr0nized]

Something to learn early on is that team composition is much more important than what champion you want to play. A weak team comp will make or break a game.

This is part of the reason why I never play these things outside of with a couple friends and/or bots. I would only want to play the characters that seem interesting to me, and I never bother to figure out who supposedly counters whom and so on. I'd also never really figured out the "correct" items to purchase for my selected person in DotA, so if that's still a thing ah well.