Mafia Mafia! Also fucking pepper spray.

[Aldurin]

The tv feed is flickering a little bit, but the image from the hidden camera is still showing clearly. The whole operation has been going well, all 6 mafia agents are still alive, and they're just about to finish off the last civilian. One of them takes the shot and plants evidence that will make that person seem like a mafia member, just like several of the other corpses in the area. The leader of the group calls for the quarantine to end, telling the police that they managed to eliminate the mafia and that they all could back up each other's claims of living in that section of the city their whole life.

The leader turned off the TV. They always liked to observe the live feeds of their most successful operations. He then turned to the other thirteen people in the room. Trusted members of the mafia that turned the city inside-out . . . or so he thought.

Suddenly helicopters could be heard flying over the hideout, and one of the members suddenly pulled out a police badge and declared them under arrest. The guard for the meeting, the only one allowed to have a weapon or safety purposes, rushed the undercover police agent, tackling him as both their guns went off. One of the others checked them and found both of them dead. Clearly the police were trying harder to get inside the mafia than they previously thought, so the leader called for a retreat. They followed a secret path of tunnels to an emergency bunker and sealed themselves in. Then the mafia leader declared that it would be too dangerous to go any further until they could be absolutely sure that there were no undercover agents left.

----------

(To prevent potential dumbassery, the "mafia" is the town. Be sure you understand that before you claim.)

Standard mafia rules, with certain specifications.
Days will last for 3 days. Nights will last for 2 or three days depending on how much time I get to deal with this.

Turn your status to invisible. Seriously.

Talking to other players about the game outside of this thread is CHEATING, unless I specifically allowed you to talk to that other person.

1. Ecks Black-ops veteran, Assassin, Town Aligned Lynched Day 2
2. Fenris Eager Cadet, Roleblocker, Town Aligned Arrested Moogle Night 4
3. Nikose The Goddamn Bat- I mean Bodyguard, Mafia aligned - Killed Night 4
4. Moogle Mafia Don, Leader, Mafia aligned - Arrested by Fenris Night 4
5: Inbred Chocobo Sir Gizmo, Inventor, Mafia Aligned - Killed night 2
6: Bahamutflare The Wall, BulletProof, Mafia Aligned - Lynched Day 4
7: rpgdemon Recon Jon, Detective, Mafia Aligned - Killed and pepper-sprayed night 1
8: Gregness Mr. Trenchcoat, Vigilante, Mafia Aligned - Killed night 3
9: Vauron Sleeper Agent, Scanproof, Town-Aligned - Killed night 3
10: IHMN Silent Slim, Watcher, Mafia Aligned - Killed night 1
11: Sifright Vigilante McBadass, Rolestealer, Town Aligned - Lynched day 3
12: Geminex Vengeful loner, Serial Killer, Self-Aligned - Killed night 2

It is now Day 1, with seven to lynch.

[Nikose Tyris]

FOS: Fenris

For not posting yet.

[Gregness]

Day 1...

Day 1 never changes.

.

[Nikose Tyris]

FOS Gregness for quoting from an old game.

[Geminex]

FOS: Nikose for You Again?

[Nikose Tyris]

Hello, is it me you're looking for?

[BahamutFlare]

Vote: Inbred Chocobo

If there may or may not be a faction dedicated to him, I may or may not have to attempt to lynch him.

FoS: Nikose for having 50% soon to be 3/7 of the total posts right now.

[Nikose Tyris]

I considered not posting just to prove you wrong, but I'd rather explain: I'm posting to encourage day 1 activity. Day 1 and first posts can be annoying to flesh out and awkward to want to post. Seeing activity [especially silliness] removes that tension. It's a practice to encourage casual and enjoyable play.

Alt Answer: My day has been shit and I'm now doing something I legit enjoy

[Vauron]

Vote: IHMN
Because I have no idea how to pronounce that and I don't need a better reason.

FOS: BahamutFlare
Because he voted first.

[Ecks]

Gotta bold it, Vauron, or it won't count. At least I think that's how it works.

I'm not at all sure I wanna start throwing votes until we hear from everyone else. Or we don't hear from one or two and thus we all know who to start lynching for inactivity.

[BahamutFlare]

My guess was that you would continue and make it 4/8. Which you did. :P A winner is I.

Super FoS: Vauron because you hurt my feelings and I can point double fingers back at you. Nyah.

On an actual related not, Nikose is being a bit different than usual. I think he's town. Which I'm probably wrong. Since it seems like a conspiracy to make Nikose mafia. But mafia is town in this game, so he must be yellow! I made one confirmed townie. Hooray for me!

[rpgdemon]

This thing is going on. I am going to come in, make a typical day one, "I'm here, what's going on yadda yadda" post, and continue with the stuff I'm doing.

Before I go though: Does anyone have any reason to believe this is a bastard game? I just want to catch it quick, if it is.

[Geminex]

I don't think so. Earl got pissed at the last one, and said that his would be better. I think we can actually assume that this one will go down without preposterous bullshit happening.

[Moogle0119]

Vote: Inbred Chocobo

Only because he's ugly.

[Inbred Chocobo]

Vote: Inbred Chocobo

Only because he's ugly.

Awwwwww....

[Aldurin]

Does anyone have any reason to believe this is a bastard game? I just want to catch it quick, if it is.

This is not a bastard game, because I honestly feel that those are basically mafia games specialized for troll-GMs. Also as my first game I want to see if I can make the standard dynamic work well before I do anything else.

[BahamutFlare]

Unvote: Inbred
Vote: Moogle

Trying to bandwagon and make two votes on someone is unacceptable for D1 behavior.

From what I can gather in Aldurin's first post, there seems to be a faction which would either be town or police or something similar. I'm treating this like a basic mafia game. No need to bring that up anymore here.

We need to get everyone posting first other than aww. With some more information, I might be able to see ties in between players and hope that they just aren't masoned. But with such a small group, I doubt a mason exists. We probably don't have a Vig either.

[Geminex]

I'm just gonna go ahead and FOS: Bahamutflare

I don't think moogle was bandwagoning. That smelled like a jokevote to me. Certainly not something 'unacceptable'.

And I'd be interested in your elaboration on "Nikose is playing different, I think he's Town".

I agree with the 'let's get people ot post' sentiment, though.

[BahamutFlare]

I'm still joke voting. I have no serious leads at the moment. I know Moogle wasn't bandwagoning. If anything serious happens on Moogle, I'm going to unvote unless he is scummy later.

As for Nikose, he is mafia every game it seems, but this time mafia is yellow. So Nikose must be a good guy. This is absurd logic. Usually Nikose doesn't encourage activity if mafia. That was his sole strategy whenever he was mafia I think. He tried to get rid of the active people. This alone is different. Although I'm sure he has more than one strategy, but this seemed prominent at least.

[rpgdemon]

Can we come up with some sort of standard nomenclature, in terms of what we call the factions? All in favor of using the typical "Town = Majority" "Scum = People who kill you" terms, even though our town is the Mafia faction?

[rpgdemon]

What I don't want happening is letting people get away with "mixups" and "confusion" based on the names of things.

[Moogle0119]

I would say, either do it like this...

"I am Mafia"

or

"I am Mafia (yellow)"

That way there is no confusion if you're roleclaiming and stating you are part of the Mafia faction (the good guy ones in this game). All in favor?

[Sifright]

whoa didn't realise this was actually up.


Vote:Fenris

He's been in the bad guy faction every single game.


Edit: Like, thats meta as fuck but ittttss trueeee

[Nikose Tyris]

You know who's been really quiet that's normally talkative as hell

VOTE: SMARTY

Teach you not to play in this game!

[BahamutFlare]

I'm fine with town and scum as majority. Since scum doesn't necessarily mean mafia. It's just any "bad" alignment. Of course for official roleclaims, I'd go with Moogle.

[Mr.Bookworm]

Vote: Nikose

Needs to learn how to read.

[Geminex]

Vote: Bookie
For staying true to his user title and not getting it.

[Aldurin]

Buttcount!

Inbred Chocobo: ^_^
Moogle

IHMN: ^_^
Vauron

Moogle: ^_^
Bahamutflare

Fenris: ^_^
Sifright

Smarty: ^_^
Nikose

Nikose: ^_^
Bookworm

Bookworm: ^_^
Geminex

1 day left, 7 butts to lynch.

Fenris and IHMN have yet to post, please do so as soon as you can or PM me about impending inactivity.

[Aldurin]

Important rulechange!

Votes can now be conducted as either:

Vote: (Person)

^_^: (Person)

Part of this is that butts are clearly easier to spot within posts.

[Ecks]

^_^: IHMN for possible inactivity and because No Lynch is apparently bad juju on day 1.

[Fenris]

whoa didn't realise this was actually up.


Vote:Fenris

He's been in the bad guy faction every single game.


Edit: Like, thats meta as fuck but ittttss trueeee

No I haven't you are stupid

I was the deputy in IC's game (which had no mafia)

And in Batman mafia, I was the town roleblocker, so fuck you

[Fenris]

Fenris and IHMN have yet to post, please do so as soon as you can or PM me about impending inactivity.

Fuck you, I do what I wawnt.

[IHateMakingNames]

I was out of town for the weekend and then forgot about this.

I'm going to go with

Vote: Nikose

I like what BahamutFlare posted. Plus mafia usually isn't the first to get past joking phase.

[BahamutFlare]

I'm not sure about Ecks's vote on IHMN. I mean I know days are 3 days. But still trying to lynch inactives shortly after 24 hours after the game started does not seem friendly. It seems like a way to get townies to commit to making a bad decision. He seemed to push it in a couple posts too. If I'm right, then I bet IHMN is town and probably Fenris.

Unvote: Moogle
FoS: Ecks

[Ecks]

Well BF, I'm just looking to avoid the same problem we had before, where there were a good three or four people who were inactive from day one. For that matter, IHMN posted, so I'm gonna do a thing here and Unvote: IHMN

And once again I have basically nothing to go on. I won't jump on a bandwagon like some grubfisted douchebag, so I guess I'll wait for more posts or the end of the day.

[rpgdemon]

The problem is, not making a stand is still making a stand, just it's making a stand to not progress the town.

Vote: Ecks

[Nikose Tyris]

UNVOTE: SMARTY
VOTE: ECKS

because I think I have the most votes on me right now, and I don't want to die/roleclaim on day 1.

[BahamutFlare]

And once again I have basically nothing to go on. I won't jump on a bandwagon like some grubfisted douchebag, so I guess I'll wait for more posts or the end of the day.

By saying the end of the day, it almost sounds like if possible, you'd get you or your scum team to help out. Mash a few votes to kill someone else. Then proceed to a N1.

Vote: Ecks

[Aldurin]

Buttcount!

Inbred Chocobo: ^_^
Moogle

IHMN: ^_^
Vauron

Ecks: ^_^^_^^_^
rpgdemon
Nikose
Bahamutflare

Fenris: ^_^
Sifright

Nikose: ^_^^_^
Bookworm
IHMN

Bookworm: ^_^
Geminex

Day ends in 5 hours, 7 butts to lynch.

[Ecks]

Well shit I guess I'm not allowed a little leeway for being at work! God forbid I bandwagon and lynch a doc or a bodyguard by stupidity or something.

Rpg had a point. BF threw a baseless accusation at me. Nik is looking out for number one. Either way youre all dead set on seeing me hang for basically nothing other than erring on the side of caution. W welp guess I'll bandwagon and ^_^: Nikose.

[Nikose Tyris]

Actually, I only voted for you, Ecks, because I thought you only had 1 vote on you and I was at 2. It really was nothing personal.

[Ecks]

Not in my case either. We now have the same number of votes, sorry nik.

[Geminex]

Nikose, the one vote on you was from Bookworm. As in, the guy who isn't actually playing, but who decided to vote anyway.

Mind you, I'm tempted to make it 3. Because this line:

because I think I have the most votes on me right now, and I don't want to die/roleclaim on day 1.
This is a bad line. You're implying that your roleclaim would prevent your death. You're not outright claiming, so there's no liability, but you're trying to hide behind the possibility that you might have a power role. And that's bad. I understand why you'd wanna save yourself, but trying to hide behind that is a strategy anyone can use, including scum. And using it as town just makes it that much more attractive for scum. You're a smart player! You'd know this.

So,
^_^: Nikose

[Vauron]

un^_^ : IHMN

^_^: Nikose

Eh

[Sifright]

I'm thinking about putting a butt on nikose, because like nikose always does odd shit, that just fucks with non scum pretty much every game. His instance on going "LOL X IS DEF THE BAD GUY" also hard up makes me want to do it. I've got a little time to think on this before I vote though.

FOS: Nikose

at the end of the day this is going to come down to tie break any way so it's going to be who do i think will help scum the most by their continued existence in the absence of any information

Edit: Christ you fuckers post whilst im writing mine up making me look like a spurg thanks guys!

[Ecks]

Okay yeah nik is a dork day one, thats for sure but I really dont think he's acting scummy... As I said my vote is entirely self preservation, nothing personal against nik. That said dude you really oughta serious up or youre gonna hang, by the looks of it.

[Aldurin]

Bookie GTFO

Revised Buttcount!

Inbred Chocobo: ^_^
Moogle

Ecks: ^_^^_^^_^
rpgdemon
Nikose
Bahamutflare

Fenris: ^_^
Sifright

Nikose: ^_^^_^^_^^_^
Geminex
IHMN
Vauron
Ecks

7 butts to lynch.

I'll actually extend the day to midnight PST, so that people with actual lives aren't screwed over by a lack of opportunity to defend themselves.

[IHateMakingNames]

You lost the vote for Nikose from Bookworm and missed the vote for Nikose from Ecks.

[BahamutFlare]

Gotta bold it, Vauron, or it won't count. At least I think that's how it works.

I'm not at all sure I wanna start throwing votes until we hear from everyone else. Or we don't hear from one or two and thus we all know who to start lynching for inactivity.

^_^: IHMN for possible inactivity and because No Lynch is apparently bad juju on day 1.

First two posts of the game. I just feel that there is a difference between trying to improve attendance and lynching the inactives. The second post was 25 hours after game start. The first one was probably less than 8. I don't know.

My accusation isn't baseless. And as for your defense. I agree with RPG. For once. I also think saying you will wait until the deadline is trying to use the deadline for your advantage.

However, I will be glad to see Nikose lynched too. Since he was 2nd to vote for you. But he didn't really have any reason other than self-preservation and so many people were tied at 1 vote. He picked you. I'm betting he pops up town, but I believe that Ecks or Nikose is red. Gem's post on Nikose is the biggest argument against Nikose. I'm curious to see what Nik says about it.

Point being, my accusations aren't baseless. If you're town, then I disagree with lynching the inactives. Because town's weapon is the lynch. We need to use it to find the mafiates. Lynching the inactives is pro scum all the way imo. Wastes a lynch for us and we go into night with little to no information. Thus I just am finding your way a bit scummy right now.

Either way, after the first night, I believe things to be a little bit clearer. I don't mind waiting.

[Nikose Tyris]

Meh. Kay, here's my card.

Roleclaim: Bodyguard, mafia Aligned.

Go ahead, then.

[Nikose Tyris]

Literally, my entire arguement against Gem is, "I'm half paying attention, it's exam week. I have enough of a good role I should make a token attempt against death." But hey, town doesn't need a bodyguard.

Also IHMN and BahamutFlare are my bids for the scum in this game. Reading the thread details my suspicions. I'm unsure on Ecks, because he's Ecks.

[Ecks]

Okay bf lynching inactives is not pro scum and you know it. Inactivity is just as much a scum hiding tactic as no lynch voting and wasting lynches. And either way with shorter days than your usual mafia game, encouraging people to post and actually play a game as opposed to not playing and depriving the active players of potential leads, I'd rather take a chance on an inactive who could be scum trying not to draw attention to themselves than lynch some guy on a bandwagon hunch and possibly lose our bodyguard or doctor.

That said, I have been a little unfair about it, and shouldn't be so quick to jump on inactivity.

[Ecks]

Let me elaborate on this since I'm no longer on my phone and thus I'm not rushed to defend myself.

Now that I'm not all rash and upset and irritated about getting hassled while I'm at work, I do actually see your point BF about not wasting the day's lynch. My prejudice against inactivity was colored by the previous mafia game and despite my words to everyone to put it behind them it seems I'm just as guilty of hanging on to the bad taste in my mouth. The thing that ruined Spy Among Us most for me was the massive inactivity. Forget the fact it was a bastard game, it just seemed like nobody wanted to play and my beginner's excitement over getting to play at all was pretty much squashed.

Hence my vitriol regarding keeping everyone playing this time around. As far as my statement about waiting until the end of the day is concerned, if Earl had kept to his original deadline, I may not have made it home from work in time to read through the thread again and decide on a vote. Happily this is not the case and I did in fact make it home not only in time for the original deadline, but Earl also extended it.

I need a little more time to think about this.

[Nikose Tyris]

Hm. I have a feeling I'm going to die.

[Inbred Chocobo]

Nikose, the one vote on you was from Bookworm. As in, the guy who isn't actually playing, but who decided to vote anyway.

Mind you, I'm tempted to make it 3. Because this line:


This is a bad line. You're implying that your roleclaim would prevent your death. You're not outright claiming, so there's no liability, but you're trying to hide behind the possibility that you might have a power role. And that's bad. I understand why you'd wanna save yourself, but trying to hide behind that is a strategy anyone can use, including scum. And using it as town just makes it that much more attractive for scum. You're a smart player! You'd know this.

So,
^_^: Nikose

Okay, now I gotta step in.

For one, I wasn't aware that Bookworm was just making joke posts instead of actually being in the game until you made your post as well, and I can honestly see Nikose being confused by it as well.

I also see Nikose's posts, and for once, it feels like Nikose being dumb, not Nikose being scum. I don't agree that he is scum at all, and I actually believe his roleclaim.

For lynching inactives, most of the time inactives mean they have no interest in the mafia game, why do they have no interest in the mafia game, is because they don't have interesting roles. Most of the time, this turns out to be town. However it is too early to look into inactives yet, so no point pursuing that line of reasoning.

I'm FOSing Geminex right now, as I feel its more of a misguided threat than a scum target, and

^_^ Bahamutflare

His aggression makes me feel like he is attempting to lead the town to victory, and make it feel like the town needs him. Its coming off really strong from what I have read, and heavy handed, and its a bit of a scum tactic, so that is where I will plant my butt for now.

[BahamutFlare]

I'd still rather get some info out of an actual lynch than an inactive. D1 lynch the inactive is just raising alarms in my head. And as for D1, I feel as if this is a pretty decent lead. Heck yeah I'm gonna be aggressive. I have a habit for always being annoying to scum in these games. Hence I live til the end. And my role is designed especially for my personality in real life.

Seriously guys, Nikose if scum will out himself sooner rather than later. As of right now, he hasn't done anything that major. I believe him for now too. I agree with everything IC said except for voting for me. Why he doesn't want to roleclaim or die D1 is probably because of a power role. It was probably stupid to say that, but he always dies D1/N1 anyway. And if no one counter claims, it's probably true.

I'm surprised that Gem wouldn't think of the possibility of a power role before prodding.

[Geminex]

I'm surprised that Gem wouldn't think of the possibility of a power role before prodding.
I did! But roles are WIFOM. Anyone might have a role. And I did consider that Nikose might have a power role. I also considered that Nikose might not, in fact, have a role. Either was a possibility. What tilted the scale for me, again, was just this bit:
I don't want to die/roleclaim on day 1.
This has no function other than to make his attackers doubt themselves. He's hiding behind the fact that he might havea power role. Unfortunately, that logic applies to anyone! Town can use it. But so can scum! In the end, it just stalls the lynch. And as you have so aptly stated, the lynch is the town's main weapon. It's not in the interest of town to cast doubts on a lynch based on a role you might or might not have.

I think my reasoning at the time was valid. Misguided, perhaps, but valid. However:
Unbutt: Nikose
He's claimed now. An unfortunate claim, to be sure, but a claim. And it's at this point that I don't wanna risk it. Bahamut seems to trust him, and he does have a good track record. Not sure who my vote will go to, in the end, but okay.

[rpgdemon]

I have a habit for always being annoying to scum in these games. Hence I live til the end. And my role is designed especially for my personality in real life.

That... Makes no sense. If you play annoyingly to the scum, you will be killed, won't you?

I for one am not sure if I trust Nik's roleclaim. My reasons are threefold:

1) It's not formatted how the roles were sent to us in our PMs from Aldurin. Double check your own PMs for how it's supposed to be formatted, I don't want to give away information to scum. But it's substantially different.

2) Was he actually at a lynch-level? I thought Ecks was in the lead for votes.

3) Bodyguard is a claim that is a two-for-one for scum. A) The town doesn't want to kill their bodyguard, and B) The only way the claim can be beaten is by getting rid of a big threat to the scum.

I will admit, 2 and 3 are weak points, which only are there because of point number 1. 3 in particular is weak because it can be said against REAL power-role claims. It's also weak because the most useful townie to get rid of would probably(?) be the investigator, which Nikose didn't claim. If the bodyguard is more harmful to scum than investigator though, let me know. But point number 2 stands (I think?), and 1 is what really blinks up on my radar.

[rpgdemon]

And through all this, I forgot:

unvote: Ecks

vote: Nikose

[Nikose Tyris]

My post is formatted the way we set as an example in this thread, RPG. Because copy and pasting from PM's is GMdeath.

[Nikose Tyris]

I would say, either do it like this...

"I am Mafia"

or

"I am Mafia (yellow)"

That way there is no confusion if you're roleclaiming and stating you are part of the Mafia faction (the good guy ones in this game). All in favor?

Specifically, like this post.

Thus, before I am murdered because of you, FOS: RPGdemon.

[Aldurin]

Buttcount!

Inbred Chocobo: ^_^
Moogle

Bahamutflare: ^_^
Inbred Chocobo

Ecks: ^_^^_^
Nikose
Bahamutflare

Fenris: ^_^
Sifright

Nikose: ^_^^_^^_^^_^
rpgdemon
IHMN
Vauron
Ecks

7 butts to lynch. Four and a half hours left.

[Nikose Tyris]

Ecks, if you could just like, unvote me, and well, let's vote for BF, I'd be kind of cool with that.

UNVOTE: Ecks

VOTE: BahamutFlare

[Ecks]

FoS: BahamutFlare. Every lynch discerns information, BF. Even from inactive players. You're just as likely to come up empty handed lynching me as you are lynching an inactive. Just who are you trying to cover for, BF? Is there someone laying low that you're looking out for? My experience in mafia games is very limited. So limited, in fact, that my only exposure to it was IC's bastard game and having read as many threads as I could stomach. Inactivity was a very very popular tactic. Couple that with the prejudice I picked up in Spy Among Us and there you have my entire reasoning for why I hate inactivity and go after inactives when I have no other leads. At the very least it absolves them of responsibility in the game so they can go back to whatever it is that's so important that they have no time to play.

But thanks for trying to whip up a good furor and rally the troops! IC's point is well put, you are trying very hard to seem important here, and I wanna know why. In no other game have I ever seen someone trying so hard to defend inactive players whatsoever. Inactives aren't productive, they offer no constructive information with their inactivity whatsoever. Of course, if they are scum then not saying anything incriminating by not speaking whatsoever certainly serves a purpose. Serves to keep the scum safe and murder active players trying to contribute to the knowledge pool.

[Ecks]

Sounds fine by me Nikose.

Unvote: Nikose
^_^: BahamutFlare

[rpgdemon]

Specifically, like this post.

Thus, before I am murdered because of you, FOS: RPGdemon.

I thought you can copy/paste your role assignment out of a PM for a roleclaim, just not copy/paste your flavor text/anything else? That's what Snake's big list o' rules said, I thought.

Unvote: Nikose

Looking for confirmation from Aldurin on whether or not you can copy/paste role assignments from the initial PM.

[Nikose Tyris]

it's the way I was taught to do things way back in the golden age.

[rpgdemon]

FoS: BahamutFlare. Every lynch discerns information, BF. Even from inactive players. You're just as likely to come up empty handed lynching me as you are lynching an inactive. Just who are you trying to cover for, BF? Is there someone laying low that you're looking out for? My experience in mafia games is very limited. So limited, in fact, that my only exposure to it was IC's bastard game and having read as many threads as I could stomach. Inactivity was a very very popular tactic. Couple that with the prejudice I picked up in Spy Among Us and there you have my entire reasoning for why I hate inactivity and go after inactives when I have no other leads. At the very least it absolves them of responsibility in the game so they can go back to whatever it is that's so important that they have no time to play.

But thanks for trying to whip up a good furor and rally the troops! IC's point is well put, you are trying very hard to seem important here, and I wanna know why. In no other game have I ever seen someone trying so hard to defend inactive players whatsoever. Inactives aren't productive, they offer no constructive information with their inactivity whatsoever. Of course, if they are scum then not saying anything incriminating by not speaking whatsoever certainly serves a purpose. Serves to keep the scum safe and murder active players trying to contribute to the knowledge pool.

I've personally defended inactive players before, in a different Mafia game, because they weren't active at all on the forum in the time period, and a vote for them in that case was the same as a null-vote. I think I might have been SK that game? In either case, I was trying to play it as a townie, and that was my townie reason not to vote an inactive player.

If they've been active on the forums, but not in the Mafia game though, I am fine with pressuring them. The only problem is, when do you apply the pressure?

As the day is closing, I'm completely unsure who to vote for, but I don't like how BF has been seemingly aligning himself with me in a jerky manner ("For once I think RPG is doing well" or something like that). If he is scum, I don't want an association there. If not, words hurt, man.

On the other hand, you and Nik are almost a bandwagon of your own, who just randomly decided to trust eachother, and try to get a force up on BF.

And no one else is posting. But rereading things, I do not like Thadius's first post of "Meta but trueeeeee", and then leaving forever.

Vote: Thadius.

[rpgdemon]

Wait, that was Sif.

Unvote: Thadius
Vote: Sifright

[Ecks]

Pretty sure me and Nik were and always have been looking out for our own hides. I mean, I could've just left him hanging there, but man if his roleclaim is bonafide do I really wanna be responsible for getting the bodyguard killed? No.

Bahamut, on the other hand, was real quick to jump on my ass about inactivity. I always assume an inactive to be scum unless proven otherwise, either you're contributing to the knowledge pool and being a productive player or you aren't. That's just my personal philosophy here, and it's likely to be a permanent fixture in my playstyle. You can just like, not agree with me, that's just like my opinion man.

And on that note... FoS: IHateMakingNames. You're being awfully quiet and the deadline is rapidly approaching.

[BahamutFlare]

RPG, I am sorry, but usually we have completely opposite playstyles. And I'm agreeing with nearly everything you write. I meant absolutely no disrespect.

Ecks, inactives are usually town lame roles. Besides, you went after inactives twice in less than 24 hours. I just don't get it. I'm all for pressuring the inactives after some time has passed but allow them time to get into the game. But I get where you're coming from now. While I may not trust you yet, I'll let all this slide for a while. Although, you are not wise in the least bit to my act.

Vauron has done some hit and run posts. I'm a bit curious about Nikose blatently saying, "Hey let's form a pact Ecks." But the least amount of information and lurking is Fenris and Vauron.

Unvote: Ecks
Dunno who I'm gonna vote then.

[IHateMakingNames]

First, yes I'm only posting because my name was brought up. I was under the impression we were killing Nikose. I didn't like his claim at all. He put in no real effort to keep himself, an apparent valuable townie assest, alive. Just claimed with a "meh, you guys messed up" attitude then jumped onto any vote he saw while putting very little of his own ideas out.

[Fenris]

And on that note... FoS: IHateMakingNames. You're being awfully quiet and the deadline is rapidly approaching.

I'm being even quieter!

You sure are awful at paying attention!

[Fenris]

First, yes I'm only posting because my name was brought up. I was under the impression we were killing Nikose. I didn't like his claim at all. He put in no real effort to keep himself, an apparent valuable townie assest, alive. Just claimed with a "meh, you guys messed up" attitude then jumped onto any vote he saw while putting very little of his own ideas out.
The thing about an uncountered BG claim, is that you don't lynch an uncountered BG claim, because if they're not bluffing, then, whelp, just lynched the BG. The scumteam will most likely go for Nikose tonight based on his claim.

So, there's a thing that is facts. We're looking at other options while we wait for the whole "Nikose sucks at roleclaiming/is really busy/sucks at roleclaiming" thing shakes out.

[rpgdemon]

Why have you been lurking, IHMN? I mean, you have been reading the thread enough to know when you're mentioned and save yourself from danger, but you aren't putting in any real effort to keep yourself, an apparent valuable town asset, alive. Just came in with a "Meh, I'm here, don't care, thought you were gonna kill someone and I'd get away with doing nothing" attitude, then left.

What I'm saying is, you're pretty much doing the exact same thing, but more suspiciously since you're saying it's bad and scummy. And you've been reading the thread enough to know that lurkers are being suspected, but have done nothing to add to the knowledge pool, or even avoid looking like a lurker. You voted for Nikose, but that doesn't mean that your job is done.

You're supposed to be looking at people, trying to figure out motives, and plot out who's who. Considering your exemplary behavior in doing so during the Pony Mafia game, without being able to talk no less, and your apparent lack of care here, I'm highly suspicious.

[rpgdemon]

The thing about an uncountered BG claim, is that you don't lynch an uncountered BG claim, because if they're not bluffing, then, whelp, just lynched the BG. The scumteam will most likely go for Nikose tonight based on his claim.

So, there's a thing that is facts. We're looking at other options while we wait for the whole "Nikose sucks at roleclaiming/is really busy/sucks at roleclaiming" thing shakes out.

WAIT, wait wait. If there's anything I've learned from Snake's walls of text, saying what the scum will do is a terrible plan, and very scummy. It puts a LOT of power of the town's voting into their hands. For example, "Oh, man, guys, scum are totally going to kill Nikose if he's the bodyguard."

Well, scum now knows, if they don't kill Nikose, they've convinced at least one person that Nikose is the bodyguard. Suddenly, the scum have a very easily charted reaction to their kills, and can get a two-for-one off of not killing Nikose. He survives the night, and then gets lynched tomorrow.

No, do not say what the scum "will" do.

Seriously, you are all giving off scummy vibes.

[Fenris]

WAIT, wait wait. If there's anything I've learned from Snake's walls of text, saying what the scum will do is a terrible plan, and very scummy. It puts a LOT of power of the town's voting into their hands. For example, "Oh, man, guys, scum are totally going to kill Nikose if he's the bodyguard."

Well, scum now knows, if they don't kill Nikose, they've convinced at least one person that Nikose is the bodyguard. Suddenly, the scum have a very easily charted reaction to their kills, and can get a two-for-one off of not killing Nikose. He survives the night, and then gets lynched tomorrow.

No, do not say what the scum "will" do.

Seriously, you are all giving off scummy vibes.
You completely misread my post, try again.

[rpgdemon]

I don't see how. Are you purposefully obfuscating your intent? How hard would it be to make a followup clarifying what you really meant?

Or are you trying to be all, "Hey, everyone, read into my post whatever you want, except you're wrong if you think it's scummy. I won't explain how though, so that way no one will think I'm suspicious"? Is that a thing?

[Fenris]

I don't see how. Are you purposefully obfuscating your intent? How hard would it be to make a followup clarifying what you really meant?

Or are you trying to be all, "Hey, everyone, read into my post whatever you want, except you're wrong if you think it's scummy. I won't explain how though, so that way no one will think I'm suspicious"? Is that a thing?
Tell me, exactly, how
Well, scum now knows, if they don't kill Nikose, they've convinced at least one person that Nikose is the bodyguard.
makes any goddamn sense.

Also, I never said what the scum will do, I merely said what the scum is likely to do, as anybody with a goddamn brain could deduce for themselves. I was speaking common knowledge as to explain to IHMN precisely why the vote for Nikose is no longer The Thing To Do.

Furthermore:

Suddenly, the scum have a very easily charted reaction to their kills, and can get a two-for-one off of not killing Nikose. He survives the night, and then gets lynched tomorrow.

Nice WIFOM Logic.

I'm not purposefully obfuscating anything, you're just trying extra-hard to miss the point.

[BahamutFlare]

Honestly, I didn't say it, but I thought that it was pretty common sense too. However, truth be told, maybe someone didn't know. Now they do. We don't need to give them ideas, but make them find it themselves. Now with any WIFOM, you toss it out the window and make accusations based on actions.

Vote: Nikose

Also, I'm The 'Name', Power Role, Mafia Aligned I'll full role claim D2. And explain things for everyone. The reason I put name instead of my actual name is because my name depicts my power. I don't want my power known yet.

[BahamutFlare]

Honestly, I have no idea who to vote. I still want to say Ecks, but I promised I would back down. We only have less than an hour til deadline I think. It'd be nice to have some consensus.

Unvote: Nikose

Cuz I'm confused to oblivion right now.

[BahamutFlare]

Vote: Nikose

He could be lying. And frankly I don't feel like dying.

[Aldurin]

To make things clear on roleclaims, you are allowed to copy the part I put in pretty little colors in your role PM, any other details must be paraphrased.

Deadline unchanged.

[Aldurin]

Buttcount!

Inbred Chocobo: ^_^
Moogle

Bahamutflare: ^_^^_^^_^
Inbred Chocobo
Nikose
Ecks

Fenris: ^_^
Sifright

Nikose: ^_^^_^^_^
Bahamutflare
IHMN
Vauron

Sifright: ^_^
rpgdemon

It's a tie between Nikose and Bahamutflare, I will give you guys 12 more hours to work things out. If the tie remains then you lose that lynch and nobody dies, so I strongly encourage that you don't do that.

[Sifright]

un^_^:Fenris

Well, i'm not going to kill a claimed bodyguard that has no counter claim. Doctor/bodyguard should never be killed with out a counter claim.

because a simple trade of doctor or bodyguard to ensure the death of a mafiate is totally the right choice. so with that in mind.

^_^:BahamutFlare

[Ecks]

I'm leaving my vote right where it is until I hear more about this role. It sounds like you're talking out of your ass to save your skin. And it's bodyguard or the (blank) for choices... I think I'll take my chances and keep the bodyguard alive, thanks, not gonna risk him for some bullshit role with no information to work with.

[BahamutFlare]

Not that it matters. I was trying to get all night roles to target me N1. Nikose, Nikose, quit being wrong.

[IHateMakingNames]

Well, i'm not going to kill a claimed bodyguard that has no counter claim. Doctor/bodyguard should never be killed with out a counter claim.

because a simple trade of doctor or bodyguard to ensure the death of a mafiate is totally the right choice. so with that in mind.

Not on Day 1.

[BahamutFlare]

I guess if it makes any difference, I'm trying to soak bullets on N1. See if mafia is curious. I'm bulletproof. A bodyguard but only for himself.

[rpgdemon]

I still think that Sif ought to be lynched. Especially considering that he's now saying, "We're DEFINITELY going to hit scum, if we lynch Bahamut, and we'll trade away our bodyguard for that privilege", it seems scummy.

[rpgdemon]

Now, this is going to seem really scummy, but I actually believe both of them, and since there are only 11 minutes left before day ends, I am going to throw my vote into a tie, and keep us from lynching a potential bulletproof.

unvote: Sifright
vote: Nikose

[rpgdemon]

Though, Aldurin, the tradition for a tie is to go into sudden death tiebreaker mode, where no one can say anything except for voting, and when the tie is broken, the day immediately ends.

[Aldurin]

Though, Aldurin, the tradition for a tie is to go into sudden death tiebreaker mode, where no one can say anything except for voting, and when the tie is broken, the day immediately ends.

I'm aware, but my approach is that if town refuses to agree on someone to die, then they lose that lynch.

Voting is closed, resulting post to come up in a bit.

[Aldurin]

The bunker was quiet, though the tension was deafening. There was hefty suspicion and debate on Nikose and Bahamutflare, but no consensus could be reached. It was decided that no one would die, and that they would discuss this issue further later. Night was approaching and the bunker was lit through solar power, so everyone hunkered down in different rooms and tried to remain as wary as possible while they rested.

It is now Night 1. All players with night-based roles should PM me their actions.

Night will last for two and a half days (lining up with roughly midnight PST on thursday) or shorter if all possible night actions are sent in early.

[Aldurin]

The night was tense, with footsteps constantly being heard, along with what sounded like several gunshots and cries of pain. When the lights came back on, most everyone gathered in the main chamber and looked for those who were missing. Of those who showed up, Bahamutflare's eyes seemed unusually red, probably due to pepper spray. A quick look in the hallways led to the discovery of rpgdemon who was Recon Jon, Detective, Mafia Aligned. He was shot in the head and also showed evidence of being pepper-sprayed during the night. Further down the hall was IHMN who turned out to be Silent Slim, Watcher, Mafia Aligned. He was shot in the head, too, but nothing else stood out. Bullet casings were found in another hallway, but no evidence of blood or death was found.

It is now Day 2, with 10 players left it now takes 6 to lynch. 3 days left.

[Nikose Tyris]

An attack was also made at me last night. Therefore, 3 killers.

[rpgdemon]

Woo! I am freed from the clutches of Mafia. I spend way too much time thinking about/checking the thread of mafia games I'm in.

[BahamutFlare]

So Nikose, if you truly are a bodyguard, and you defend yourself each night, we get a voting block of 2 unnightkillables. Also roleblocker you are a jerk. I hope you know I'm town now.

Taking away myself and Nikose from the scenario since I imagine he did protect himself like any claimed bodyguard would do. Nearly a 50% chance of hitting scum now by sheer luck.

Obviously 2 roleblockers (pepper spray) to make up for the 3 killers. So I'm gonna think and make a list of who I think everyone is. We probably have a Vig and SK and mafia.

2 RB, 1 Vig, 1 SK, 1 BG, 1 BP, 2-3 scum. There's 1-3 unknowns left. It could be scum has a roleblocker too. As we did in Adventure Time Mafia.

[Nikose Tyris]

I am willing to suggest that Ecks may be the roleblocker.

Also

^_^: Sifright

Seems reasonable.

[Geminex]

Okay, something seems weird. Two somethings, really.
First, Nikose, you say you protected yourself? Bodyguard can't normally do that. Otherwise it's just an upgraded bulletproof. Nothing to lose by revealing himself.
Second, how do you know it's you who got targeted? Did you get messaged?

[Ecks]

What gem said.

It's too early in the day for me to make an informed decision but given the nights deaths and suspicious activity near the end of day one, I'm gonna FoS: Sifright.

[Nikose Tyris]

okay so 1: I protected myself. Deal with it.

2, I got messaged. Someone targetted me. I smokebombed, ran and hid in a garbage can.

I'm not making that up. That is what my PM said.

[Sifright]

I've personally defended inactive players before, in a different Mafia game, because they weren't active at all on the forum in the time period, and a vote for them in that case was the same as a null-vote. I think I might have been SK that game? In either case, I was trying to play it as a townie, and that was my townie reason not to vote an inactive player.

If they've been active on the forums, but not in the Mafia game though, I am fine with pressuring them. The only problem is, when do you apply the pressure?

As the day is closing, I'm completely unsure who to vote for, but I don't like how BF has been seemingly aligning himself with me in a jerky manner ("For once I think RPG is doing well" or something like that). If he is scum, I don't want an association there. If not, words hurt, man.

On the other hand, you and Nik are almost a bandwagon of your own, who just randomly decided to trust eachother, and try to get a force up on BF.

And no one else is posting. But rereading things, I do not like Thadius's first post of "Meta but trueeeeee", and then leaving forever.

Vote: Thadius.

Wait, that was Sif.

Unvote: Thadius
Vote: Sifright

I am willing to suggest that Ecks may be the roleblocker.

Also

^_^: Sifright

Seems reasonable.


What gem said.

It's too early in the day for me to make an informed decision but given the nights deaths and suspicious activity near the end of day one, I'm gonna FoS: Sifright.


Do you have a reason for voting for me?

Rpgdemons reason for voting for me was completely spurious and untrue and was obviously so, I didn't feel the need to defend my self when people would be able to see it so easily, but you aren't even putting forth a reason or explaining why i am suspicious in the case of ecks.

plus, I find Nikoses explanation about him being a bodyguard and protecting himself to be more than a little ridiculous because it means he should always out himself and try and make the scum teams waste attacks on him. I don't know enough about aldurin to make an accurate assessment but i wouldn't have thought he would give the role so much power.

The last reason is that we only have his word to go on that he was targeted.. If he is scum then his scum mates wouldn't attack him and thus he would be safe...

so big FOS: Nikose

bahamautflare claiming that any claimed guard would protect himself strikes me as odd as well given that protecting yourself is almost never an option as guard/doctor..

So I feel there is a good chance both of them could be scum mates working together.

[Nikose Tyris]

Bodyguard protects self. Not an uncommon thing, unless you're a wiki-whiner.

Second, no one has counter-claimed bodyguard against me.

Third, I have no intentions of working or trusting BF and you're more than welcome to lynch him if you don't trust his bulletproof role. Because I don't trust his bulletproof role.

Also my mafiate wager is shifting off to Sif and Gem just because they find it odd that a bodyguard chose to protect himself, which has been a viable option in almost every game I've played in the past.

[Nikose Tyris]

Also, reason why it's not just an upgraded bulletproof: I have get to protect one person at night. That person being me. Sure I could pick someone else, but then mafia has to decide if I covered my ass or someone else's.

It's just more reasonable to assume I'm a jerkass and will always protect myself.

[Sifright]

I have been the bodyguard twice, both times i've not been able to protect myself. except in your game where you flip flopped on the issue telling me i could and couldn't protect my self at any given point.

[Nikose Tyris]

my own games not withstanding as I am terrible in all regards.

also Aldurin let me protect myself.

here, simple question let us pose to Aldurin:

Aldurin, if there is theoretically a bodyguard in this game, would you allow the theoretical bodyguard to protect himself?

[Ecks]

Sif that was an FoS, not an actual vote. I'm on my phone atm and thus can't really dig back a page, but something you said didnt make sense earlier and a couple of posts later seemed to make it look like you were all for sacrificing our bodyguard.

I will be able to peruse the thread at my leisure this after noon and will then offer a better speculation. I'm going back to work now.

[BahamutFlare]

The night was tense, with footsteps constantly being heard, along with what sounded like several gunshots and cries of pain. When the lights came back on, most everyone gathered in the main chamber and looked for those who were missing. Of those who showed up, Bahamutflare's eyes seemed unusually red, probably due to pepper spray. A quick look in the hallways led to the discovery of rpgdemon who was Recon Jon, Detective, Mafia Aligned. He was shot in the head and also showed evidence of being pepper-sprayed during the night. Further down the hall was IHMN who turned out to be Silent Slim, Watcher, Mafia Aligned. He was shot in the head, too, but nothing else stood out. Bullet casings were found in another hallway, but no evidence of blood or death was found.

It is now Day 2, with 10 players left it now takes 6 to lynch. 3 days left.

Read bolded. There was another attack. Now either there is another bodyguard that protected themselves or Nikose, or Nikose got shot at by the Vig and protected himself. I honestly believe that Nikose is telling the truth. At least from Nikose's game, I had the option of BG myself. I found it strange, but oh well. Sif, you were BG in that game on mafia's end and you could protect yourself. Honestly, that was my only experience, so I'm basing things off that. But a BG like that is much more powerful than I am in that regard. My power can't be roleblocked I assume though. So even pepper spray + bullets can't kill me.

This is Aldurin's first game. Standard ways for mafia games are BG cannot protect himself, but there could always be a home rule or whatever.

Nikose, stop being helpful to scum. You don't say "Person that is town is X power". I don't know if it's true. But start saying "Scum person is X."

Let's ask ourselves too. Why was RPG targeted during the night? Maybe what he was saying at the end of D1 was true. He believed both of our claims. He also was voting Sifright too. He stopped scum from getting a kill on a defensive role, so they didn't want that to happen again. Sif, I think you're getting a little too excited for one vote against you and 1 FoS.

[Sifright]

Read bolded. There was another attack. Now either there is another bodyguard that protected themselves or Nikose, or Nikose got shot at by the Vig and protected himself. I honestly believe that Nikose is telling the truth. At least from Nikose's game, I had the option of BG myself. I found it strange, but oh well. Sif, you were BG in that game on mafia's end and you could protect yourself. Honestly, that was my only experience, so I'm basing things off that. But a BG like that is much more powerful than I am in that regard. My power can't be roleblocked I assume though. So even pepper spray + bullets can't kill me.

This is Aldurin's first game. Standard ways for mafia games are BG cannot protect himself, but there could always be a home rule or whatever.

Nikose, stop being helpful to scum. You don't say "Person that is town is X power". I don't know if it's true. But start saying "Scum person is X."

Let's ask ourselves too. Why was RPG targeted during the night? Maybe what he was saying at the end of D1 was true. He believed both of our claims. He also was voting Sifright too. He stopped scum from getting a kill on a defensive role, so they didn't want that to happen again. Sif, I think you're getting a little too excited for one vote against you and 1 FoS.


i'm not really being excited I just wanted to understand why I was voted for.

I did miss the end of aldurins post, I'm at work right now and only have time for skimming posts. That does imply that Nikose is telling the truth.

your last paragraph seems to be making the implication that I would have wanted him dead for voting for me, however even if you assume i am scum his reasoning was to poor to be considered a threatening and why would I want him killed when he was the only one that voted for me it would heavily implicate me for no reason, that is pretty clearly a setup.

The rest of your reasoning makes sense I can see scum being angry at him for stopping a lynch on either of you if you are both town.


When I get home from work in 4 hours or so I will try and see if there is anything to be gleaned voting wise.

[Aldurin]

Aldurin, if there is theoretically a bodyguard in this game, would you allow the theoretical bodyguard to protect himself?

I will not publicly establish a role's function until the end of the game. All information on that will be revealed through flavor text.

[Nikose Tyris]

Eh, I feel covered.

[Geminex]

How so?

[Nikose Tyris]

by BahamutFlare's post.

[Ecks]

I agree that rpg's death looks like a setup to lynch Sif. And as we don't know who targeted who last night, we can't be sure of whose attempt failed. And I refuse to automatically assume scum killed him if we have a Vig and an SK on the loose. I'll UnFoS: Sifright... for now. You might wanna be a little more clear about what you mean when you post from here on out man, because this line:

because a simple trade of doctor or bodyguard to ensure the death of a mafiate is totally the right choice.

Is what had everyone tripping up thinking you were advising we sacrifice our bodyguard. I think you meant it sarcastically maybe? I don't know at this point.

Everyone else is playing their cards pretty close to the chest today... leads are sparse. I don't have anything else to go on right now, but I will keep watching and rereading the thread until I come up with something.

[Ecks]

FoS: Moogle
FoS: Gregness

So guys. Whatcha doin?

[BahamutFlare]

Yeah. Really anything I got on Sif is WIFOM caused by X person that killed RPG. I'd be up for seeing how Moogle, Greg, AND Bookworm.

Ecks, think about it. Mafia has 2-3 people (probably 2) since with a SK, 4 scum and 8 town seems unbalanced. If we sacrifice one person for one person, then it'd be pretty good. However, if we had a counterclaim, then we lynch the liar and get scum. This is the basis behind the comment. A 1 for 1 on D1 is huge! Even D2, a 1 for 1 is pretty good, especially if said bodyguard can just protect himself. Then we get rid of the mafia's mason power.

[Inbred Chocobo]

Vote: Ecks

That is where its at. He be the scum. I have a good idea of who has what role, and Ecks is definitely no roleblocker. I got an idea who was investigator, who is bodyguard, who is roleblocker, and who has an alternative role. Then we had a couple townie deaths as well, and a short list on who is left scum.

So I'm going to post my list one at a time, as if I post the whole thing, whats going to happen is everyone is going to argue the point on who is who and which to go after, and then argue why they are not on the list, so instead we will focus on one person at a time, that way everyone can come into agreement.

[Ecks]

Well gollee gee willickers IC, I'd love to see your reasoning on why I'm scum. You pretty much just threw my vote up there and said "hee hee this guy is scum, and I have a list of other people and who they are too, just trust me on this one guys!"

FoS: Inbred Chocobo

Also, did I ever admit to being the roleblocker? No, that was a suggestion by Nikose that I chose to leave alone rather than confirm or deny. Therefore I will up and admit that no, I am not a roleblocker.

Anyway, @BF: I agree the numbers don't make sense, and the night result post seriously had me worried, because I figured IHMN for scum. Now all I'm left with are the few of us who are active, and I believe your claim and Nikose's, confirming you two as town unless someone counterclaims (which I don't forsee happening at this point). Again, Sif is looking set up at the moment but I'm still a tad suspcious.

That leaves inactives, which plays to my prejudices but again, I'm trying to be fair here. I fingered Greg and Moogle specifically because they have only posted once each, early on day one, and neither have been heard from since.

Then there's mister IC up there waving his big fancy theory in my face, which I'm going to just laugh at, seriously IC back that shit up please.

I also haven't seen any posts from Fenris or Vauron... and Vauron has me curious, because he flipped his vote onto Nikose but didn't detail a reason why. Could be he felt there was reason enough already outlined by earlier posts but then why not at least say that much?

[Gregness]

FoS: Moogle
FoS: Gregness

So guys. Whatcha doin?

Eatin' sandwiches. Having a meltdown about completely botching my semester. But, that's something I'll be bitching about later in the helpstravaganza thread. On to business!

*snip*
Let's ask ourselves too. Why was RPG targeted during the night? Maybe what he was saying at the end of D1 was true. He believed both of our claims. He also was voting Sifright too. He stopped scum from getting a kill on a defensive role, so they didn't want that to happen again. Sif, I think you're getting a little too excited for one vote against you and 1 FoS.

Or maybe it's that he cast the tie vote thus denying town a lynch? Like we've established in at least three prior games that a no-lynch is basically the worst thing for town so it's not surprising to me that the person directly responsible for one would catch some blowback.

[Inbred Chocobo]

Well gollee gee willickers IC, I'd love to see your reasoning on why I'm scum. You pretty much just threw my vote up there and said "hee hee this guy is scum, and I have a list of other people and who they are too, just trust me on this one guys!"

FoS: Inbred Chocobo

Also, did I ever admit to being the roleblocker? No, that was a suggestion by Nikose that I chose to leave alone rather than confirm or deny. Therefore I will up and admit that no, I am not a roleblocker.

Anyway, @BF: I agree the numbers don't make sense, and the night result post seriously had me worried, because I figured IHMN for scum. Now all I'm left with are the few of us who are active, and I believe your claim and Nikose's, confirming you two as town unless someone counterclaims (which I don't forsee happening at this point). Again, Sif is looking set up at the moment but I'm still a tad suspcious.

That leaves inactives, which plays to my prejudices but again, I'm trying to be fair here. I fingered Greg and Moogle specifically because they have only posted once each, early on day one, and neither have been heard from since.

Then there's mister IC up there waving his big fancy theory in my face, which I'm going to just laugh at, seriously IC back that shit up please.

I also haven't seen any posts from Fenris or Vauron... and Vauron has me curious, because he flipped his vote onto Nikose but didn't detail a reason why. Could be he felt there was reason enough already outlined by earlier posts but then why not at least say that much?

Alright sure, lets back some shit up.

1) Ecks - Active posting, wanting to help, pushing for thoughts and generally trying to appear helpful. Eagerness to get on people's goodside makes me think he has a role he wants to prove himself in, and I think its a scum role.

2) Fenris - Roleblocker. I can't confirm 100% that he is town, but considering his target last night was rpgdemon, which at that night when blocked was someone you couldn't peg either way. If he was scum, he would've hit Nikose.

3) Nikose - Bodyguard. His claims have evidence in night posts, and no one has tried to dispute it.

4) Moogle - His inactivity is a wee bit more inactive than normal for him. He either has other duties, doesn't know what to think, or isn't really interested in this game. I peg him Vanilla Townie.

5) Inbred Chocobo - I have the ability on Night 0 to pick one person and gain that ability as well. I picked Fenris since I can never get a read on that guy, and became the second Roleblocker

6) BahamutFlare - He is either some kind of Police Officer or a unique role, but he is town.

7) Gregness - You can see Moogle's reading on him.

8) Vauron - New guy, I feel like it doesn't really matter what role this guy has, he would've gone inactive. Wild card here

9) Sifright - Some people think he was framed. I honestly don't think the kills this night were done in reference to anything the posts made, just people picking targets almost randomly, maybe some preference. I have a feeling IHMN's was one of those preference targets, and I see Sifright making that decision. Betting scum here

10) Geminex - He pushed a bit for Nikose at the beginning, and almost lead a lynch on him. I am rather sure Nikose is town so that makes Geminex look really bad.


So my list is this

1) Ecks
2) Sifright
3) Geminex
4) Vauron
5) Moogle
6) Gregness

This is ordered based on the likely hood of them appearing scum. I'm up for re-arranging the first three in the list, but I think the first three need to stay the first three. I think the SK is also included in one of the top, and I believe we have a Vigilante in one of the 3 bottom listed there. (My bet is that its Gregness, but I am not sure). Roleclaims would look nice Ecks if you don't mind, along with Sifright and Geminex, as its curious what you 3's roles actually are.

[Inbred Chocobo]

Some additional Information: Considering that we had a Detective and a Watcher revealed, it is possible that Detective is being used as a different name for a police office. This changes BahamutFlare to a unique role only. Nothing else still changes though.

[Ecks]

So... being a good mafia player (or wanting to be) makes me scum? Wow maybe I should just quit posting, act like a jerkass and be deliberately unhelpful. Doesn't quite make sense, IC. But you're entitled to your suspicions I guess, and hey at least you're encouraging discussion.

As far as claiming a role is concerned, it's not going to change your mind one bit, so here goes: Vanilla, Mafia-aligned.

If I'm being overly active and helpful, IC... it's because that's all I can do.

[Inbred Chocobo]

So... being a good mafia player (or wanting to be) makes me scum? Wow maybe I should just quit posting, act like a jerkass and be deliberately unhelpful. Doesn't quite make sense, IC. But you're entitled to your suspicions I guess, and hey at least you're encouraging discussion.

As far as claiming a role is concerned, it's not going to change your mind one bit, so here goes: Vanilla, Mafia-aligned.

If I'm being overly active and helpful, IC... it's because that's all I can do.

I can think of a few ways to validate certain claims besides that. Ecks, what are your thoughts on Sifright and Geminex? I said that I would be open to swapping them around so I would be up for lynching either Sifright or Geminex, so in your opinion, which one and why?

[Geminex]

Okay, I can't speak for anyone else, but...
10) Geminex - He pushed a bit for Nikose at the beginning, and almost lead a lynch on him. I am rather sure Nikose is town so that makes Geminex look really bad.
This doesn't seem right. At all.

I voted for Nikose on day 1. By the time I did, there were already 2 votes on him, I think. One of those was IHMN's. I had my own suspicions, based on what he had posted so far. Not good suspicions, but this was day one, what could you expect. I articulated these suspicions. When Nikose roleclaimed, I retracted my vote, because I didn't want to risk killing our Bodyguard.
At the end of day 1, votes were tied. You'll notice that my vote wasn't on either side. If I had wanted Nikose dead, I coulde have murdered him then and there! Instead I abstained.

You'll notice that out of the people who did vote for Nikose (IHMN, RPG, BF, Vauron), two are definitely town, one is someone you consider town, and one is lower on your list of suspicions than I am. So why on earth am I, someone who specifically didn't vote for Nikose, more suspicious than anyone who did?

As for the start of this day, yes! I did point out some inconsistencies in Nikose' story. I'm still not entirely sure I buy it! But BF made some good points in his defence, and the fact that he was willing to risk Aldurin exposing him is a point in his favor as well. You'll notice I mentioned this once and never again.

But if you consider me suspicious just because I have reasonable doubts in regards to the things Nikose says, then all you're really doing is punishing rational debate. We have to talk about things! And you can't tell me that my doubts weren't reasonable, both yesterday and today, can you?

[Ecks]

Gem's points are well made. Between the two, I'm willing to give Gem the benefit of the doubt that he's town. Sif, on the other hand, I'm still holding on to some suspicion given his misstep earlier (I quoted it in an earlier post). I do believe it was a setup, though, it's too convenient, and I would rather not assume scum to be that stupid.

I would like to point out what Gem said above about Vauron, he switched his vote to Nikose without any explanation whatsoever and then disappeared.

Things just aren't adding up here... I need some more time to go over the thread, I think. Sif looks suspicious, so there is a lead on a lynch there... I wanna be damn sure before I throw a vote out.

[Ecks]

I can think of a few ways to validate certain claims besides that. Ecks, what are your thoughts on Sifright and Geminex? I said that I would be open to swapping them around so I would be up for lynching either Sifright or Geminex, so in your opinion, which one and why?

In actual answer to your question IC, between the two of them Sifright looks the most suspicious, so if we have no other leads I would vote in this direction.

[Inbred Chocobo]

Okay, I can't speak for anyone else, but...

This doesn't seem right. At all.

I voted for Nikose on day 1. By the time I did, there were already 2 votes on him, I think. One of those was IHMN's. I had my own suspicions, based on what he had posted so far. Not good suspicions, but this was day one, what could you expect. I articulated these suspicions. When Nikose roleclaimed, I retracted my vote, because I didn't want to risk killing our Bodyguard.
At the end of day 1, votes were tied. You'll notice that my vote wasn't on either side. If I had wanted Nikose dead, I coulde have murdered him then and there! Instead I abstained.

You'll notice that out of the people who did vote for Nikose (IHMN, RPG, BF, Vauron), two are definitely town, one is someone you consider town, and one is lower on your list of suspicions than I am. So why on earth am I, someone who specifically didn't vote for Nikose, more suspicious than anyone who did?

As for the start of this day, yes! I did point out some inconsistencies in Nikose' story. I'm still not entirely sure I buy it! But BF made some good points in his defence, and the fact that he was willing to risk Aldurin exposing him is a point in his favor as well. You'll notice I mentioned this once and never again.

But if you consider me suspicious just because I have reasonable doubts in regards to the things Nikose says, then all you're really doing is punishing rational debate. We have to talk about things! And you can't tell me that my doubts weren't reasonable, both yesterday and today, can you?
The biggest reason was that you were the loudest, and then people couldn't shake the idea once you dropped off. While you still didn't stick around for it, you contributed to an almost-lynch on him.

You raise a good point however, how can I make that claim with Fenris in trusting going after rpg was a townie call when at the time of you voting Nikose, that wasn't a townie call either (at least, that is what I am seeing from that interpretation). I have a few questions for you though Gem. One, I can't for the life of me place what role fits you right now, would you mind filling me in on that? Two, between Sifright, and Ecks, who do you consider the worst threat and why? Third, what is your opinion on Vauron anyway, I mean, I don't know what to read off him, I wonder what other people think.

Next is a question aimed at Sifright. Of Geminex and Ecks, who do you consider a threat and why? Considering Ecks is leaning on you, and I am willing to bet Geminex is going to chime in wanting you, whats your opinion on both of them?

For now, I am going to

Unvote: Ecks

and leave it at that, I want to see someone else's response to all this besides 2 names on the list.

[BahamutFlare]

When there were a few votes on Ecks, Gem started pushing Nikose a bit more. This got Nikose to almost lynch. He completely took the heat off of Ecks. I suspect that Ecks and Gem are red scum team.

Sif, if both lynchees were people you thought were town, then RPG might have saved the game right then and there by going no lynch.

A roleblocker is usually a town gifted ability. This means, that I would deem Fenris to be town. A mimic is an unusual power. Neat but interesting. But let's look at IC's power in general and Ecks claim. I doubt so very much a vanilla town exists. I mean, we have a watcher die. So even if the role isn't powerful, it isn't vanilla. Vanilla would probably be reserved for scum. And you didn't give your name meaning you don't have a safelist or your name gives you away. Wrong formatting too with the role claim.

Vote: Ecks

[BahamutFlare]

As for Sifright, I'm not so sure. I'm going Gem and Ecks first and foremost. I could see him trying to set up a WIFOM to create confusion against himself. I'm being framed (By myself) by the SK (Which is also myself) is a good tactic.

[Vauron]

I also haven't seen any posts from Fenris or Vauron... and Vauron has me curious, because he flipped his vote onto Nikose but didn't detail a reason why. Could be he felt there was reason enough already outlined by earlier posts but then why not at least say that much?

I suppose I should have put down some reasoning for my votes. Bare in mind that I'm inexperienced to the point where I keep needing in to look up terms, but I felt that Gem had a valid point. As to my initial vote, well, that was mostly being silly. Didn't have any real reason in that case, just threw out a random name.

I wonder whether having no prior history with the other players is an asset or a penalty.

[Moogle0119]

That leaves inactives, which plays to my prejudices but again, I'm trying to be fair here. I fingered Greg and Moogle specifically because they have only posted once each, early on day one, and neither have been heard from since.
I always find it suspicious when people get their facts wrong. I posted twice on Day 1 (this post being my 3rd post). It's very possible that it's just a harmless mistake, but it always gets to me that you could be exaggerating and misconstruing other facts as well. I also don't believe your roleclaim one bit since as BF just stated, I don't believe there is a vanilla townie in a game this small.

Vote: Ecks

A roleblocker is usually a town gifted ability. This means, that I would deem Fenris to be town
Roleblockers have been both, town and scum roles in past games as well as both. I'm pretty convinced there's 1 scum roleblocker as well as 1 town (yellow mafia good guys) roleblocker in this game since both you (BF) and rpgdemon were pepper sprayed last night.

Edit: While Fenris can be pretty much confirmed as a roleblocker at this point (unless IC is lying, I find this doubtful though) we still don't know WHICH roleblocker he is yet. Either way though, assuming the worst and that he is the scum roleblocker, we know for a fact that he isn't making any night kills which may come in handy.

[Vauron]

As to going inactive regardless of what role I was given? Frankly, I don't think I'd have posted much more if I was a bodyguard or vigilante.

My suspicions now mostly lie with people as inactive as I've been.

FOS Moogle

[Nikose Tyris]

I am 100% confident that there are no Vanillas in this game.

Unvote

VOTE: ECKS

[Aldurin]

Buttcount!

Ecks: ^_^^_^^_^
Nikose
Moogle
Bahamutflare

6 butts to lynch. 2 days and 8 hours left.

[Ecks]

I always find it suspicious when people get their facts wrong. I posted twice on Day 1 (this post being my 3rd post). It's very possible that it's just a harmless mistake, but it always gets to me that you could be exaggerating and misconstruing other facts as well.

I guess I must have missed your second post somewhere, it was an honest mistake.

That said, believe me, or don't. All I will say is lynching me really only hurts town. And sorry if I didn't follow the format completely, BF, I really didn't think Average Joe, Vanilla Gangster, Mafia-aligned really said anything more useful about me other than "dude without a role."

You're all entitled to think that there aren't any vanilla roles, and there's not a damn thing I can say to convince you otherwise.

That said, pretty sure Gem's not scum either, it doesn't add up that way. I'm really starting to think the scary players are the ones not posting very often.

Vote: Gregness. He's said the least out of anyone here, and I'm willing to bet he's either SK or the scum killing role.

[Inbred Chocobo]

...A roleblocker is usually a town gifted ability...


Wanted to comment that that is not actually always true. Roleblocker is a greater ability for Mafia to possess, as its a way for town to combat a follow the PO when one reveals himself and the bodyguard stops it.

I think in this case however Fenris is town as he would've blocked Nikose instead of rpgdemon. Oh, by the way Bahamutflare, I blocked you. I honestly was thinking your claim was shit, but then 3 kills happened that night so I am much more willing to believe you.

Also, I am willing to believe Ecks if we could have someone else also claim Vanilla Town. If no one else claims they are also a Vanilla Townie, then its pretty much obvious Ecks isn't. If someone else does, well then its a possibility that he is a lame Ice cream flavor, or part of a group trying to save him.

[Geminex]

One, I can't for the life of me place what role fits you right now, would you mind filling me in on that?

Fine.
I'm Ronnie Range, Vengeful, Mafia Aligned.
If I get lynched, I flip out and take one of you with me. I don't have anyone in mind yet, and if I do, I won't say. That way, I'm not blackmailing you and you (or, rather, scum) can't use me.

The biggest reason was that you were the loudest, and then people couldn't shake the idea once you dropped off. While you still didn't stick around for it, you contributed to an almost-lynch on him.
As for this, this is funny. You say I was "the loudest". But in both cases, I made one singular post pointing out inconsistencies with Nikose, before withdrawing. I get that I provoked a response! But if I can provoke such a response with one post, do you think that's cause I was trying really hard? Or wouldn't that indicate that the points I made weren't all that bad? Or maybe the people who responded to me had some ulterior motive to respond the way they did?

I don't know which it is! But please belive me when I say I wasn't pushing. Pushig would've been a lot more insistent.

Anyway, it's past 2 AM and I don't wanna go through the rest of the thread just yet. I will say that I agree with Nikose when I say that I doubt there's any vanillas in this game.

[Moogle0119]

Crap, I totally forgot that IC already mentioned he copied Fenris's roleblocking powers. That accounts for all the roleblocking that occurred during N1.

I think in this case however Fenris is town as he would've blocked Nikose instead of rpgdemon.
You're probably right about that, however there's also the possibility that if Fenris were a scum roleblocker, he collaborated with whoever is performing the scum kills to neutralize rpgdemon and ensure the kill went through. Just a possibility.

[BahamutFlare]

To ensure the kill goes through, you still roleblock Nikose. What else is gonna happen? The fact that RPG got peppered and killed means that whoever did it had no collaboration. I think we can safely assume that the roleblockers are not scum.

[Nikose Tyris]

Hey, BF

Fuck you.

Roleblocking me means I die.

[Fenris]

Crap, I totally forgot that IC already mentioned he copied Fenris's roleblocking powers. That accounts for all the roleblocking that occurred during N1.


You're probably right about that, however there's also the possibility that if Fenris were a scum roleblocker, he collaborated with whoever is performing the scum kills to neutralize rpgdemon and ensure the kill went through. Just a possibility.

I roleblocked rpgdemon because I think he was playing rather poorly at this particular game, and a townie using their power role poorly ends in bad things (see Earl mayoring the bodyguard in MLP Mafia, vig hits the PO, etc.).

Night one, few leads, but I couldn't help but feel that nullifying the possibility of rpg derpin around was the best choice.

[BahamutFlare]

It has been said numerous time Nikose. I think it's obvious. I don't think Fenris would not know that. I don't think any roleblockers are scum or collaborating with anyone Nikose. Otherwise you would have had something happen to you more than likely.

Also, that means IC sprayed me.

[Fenris]

Also also, I just kinda got thrown down shit creek with half a paddle again so the attention paid to this game will suffer greatly.

[Inbred Chocobo]

It has been said numerous time Nikose. I think it's obvious. I don't think Fenris would not know that. I don't think any roleblockers are scum or collaborating with anyone Nikose. Otherwise you would have had something happen to you more than likely.

Also, that means IC sprayed me.

I told you that like, posts ago, pay attention man.

[Aldurin]

a townie using their power role poorly ends in bad things (see Earl mayoring the bodyguard in MLP Mafia)

Fenris, who was Herp Derp, Retarded Vanilla, Jerk-Aligned, suddenly dropped dead. Everyone rejoiced. Not really Fenris is still alive and the day continues.

[Inbred Chocobo]

Fenris, who was Herp Derp, Retarded Vanilla, Jerk-Aligned, suddenly dropped dead. Everyone rejoiced. Not really Fenris is still alive and the day continues.

Might as well go ahead and

Vote: Ecks

and make this post so people realize that the above post from Aldy was a joke.

[Ecks]

Welp, I guess I'm fucked no matter what I do.

Unvote: Gregness
Vote: Ecks

At least I'll be confirmed upon death.

[Nikose Tyris]

Suicide is dishonorable in a mafia game. It's always better to fight in every regard.

[Vauron]

^_^Ecks

While I'm still highly suspicious of Gregness and Moogle, Ecks' claims ring false and no one else seems quite as scummy.

[Aldurin]

6 butts on Ecks, voting is over.

[Aldurin]

After a couple of slips, Ecks turned more attention on himself than he wanted. Suspicions began to grow and as the group advanced on him he pulled out a knife and slit his own throat. Quick examination revealed he was Black-ops veteran, Assassin, Town Aligned. This sent a chill through the crowd, they didn't expect this much backup from the police department, and who knew how many other people they outsourced on.

It is now Night 2, which will last for 3 days and 4 hours or until all possible night actions are sent in.

[Ecks]

I never said exactly what I would be confirmed as ;)

Also I didn't exactly lie when I said my death would hurt town either.

Hey at least I survived to day two, I'd say that's pretty good for my first scum role.

/deathpost

[Aldurin]

For some reason everyone could sense that this night was more hectic than the last. There were once again gunshots, but everyone felt there was an underlying feeling of urgency behind it. The law enforcement already lost someone, so everyone was sure that they wouldn't want to waste time preparing for the right opportunity to declare an arrest.

When the morning came around, everyone gathered as usual. Sifright was clearly the victim of last night's pepper-spraying, his eyes still inflamed and the sneezing fit still relentless. The search through the halls turned up Inbred Chocobo, who was Sir Gizmo, Inventor, Mafia Aligned, and Geminex, who was Vengeful loner, Serial Killer, Self-Aligned. A makeshift pepper-spray can lay near Inbred Chocobo, its contents empty, but there was nothing else of interest.

It is now Day 3, with 8 people left it takes 5 votes/butts to lynch. Planned deadline of 3 days from now.

[Fenris]

It is now Day 3, with 8 people left it takes 5 votes/butts to lynch. Planned deadline of 3 days from now.

8? I count 7. Who am I missing?

[Sifright]

So, I've a pretty bad habbit in past games of roleclaiming early on and making town shit all over it's self deciding whether to burn me alive or take me at face value! So i've left it a whole day later than normal to roleclaim!

I am Sneaky Sanchez, Tracker, Mafia-Aligned,

As the tracker I can target one person each night and find out who they targeted that night but not what action they performed

I investigated Moogle0119 on Night 1, he targeted IHMN that night the same night he was killed.

Night 2 however i got no information as I was pepper sprayed and oh god it burns.

So from my investigation we know that Moogle0119 is either the mafia's killer or part of the town scum.

Not sure where to go from there, it might be better to vote one of the more inactive players out instead and not risk hitting our night killer and i realize this information could be a double edged sword, but i figure every one in the mafia should have this information to make a more informed decision. I'm leaning towards moogle being a mafia player personally.

So with that in mind

heavy

FOS
Gregness
Vauron
Moogle


^_^:Moogle

Double edit: I added the vote on moogle as my edit

[Nikose Tyris]

9) Sifright - Some people think he was framed. I honestly don't think the kills this night were done in reference to anything the posts made, just people picking targets almost randomly, maybe some preference. I have a feeling IHMN's was one of those preference targets, and I see Sifright making that decision. Betting scum here

So my list is this

1) Ecks
2) Sifright
3) Geminex
4) Vauron
5) Moogle
6) Gregness

This is ordered based on the likely hood of them appearing scum.

And now?
1) Ecks - Scum
2) Sifright
3) Geminex - SKum
4) Vauron
5) Moogle
6) Gregness

I'm willing to base my suspicions off of IC's "Totally correct so far" accusations, and while I do not trust Sifright, I'm open to either lynching in order down the list, or (temporarily) skipping Sifright.

I'm going to wait to hear Moogle's defense of himself.

[BahamutFlare]

Moogle seemed on D2 to try to cast suspicion/doubt on the roleblockers. And town went after the roleblocker at night. So I'll wait for a defense.

However, I'd like to point out Sif being the only pepper victim and 2 kills instead of 3 happened at night. Sif may be trying to blame Moogle to get us to lynch the wrong guy. I'm almost thinking that this is a frame job. Gem probably went for IC being a roleblocker. Vig went for Gem. Mafia for no one. I'm kinda leaning this direction as a matter of Sif and Moogle.

Also, Ecks, I totally called you D1.

[Ecks]

Hey now, none of that, I'm dead :P

[Aldurin]

8? I count 7. Who am I missing?

Math is for the lesser masses, so I blame them.

7 people left, 4 butts to lynch.

[Moogle0119]

Funny Sif. Looks like you randomly picked the wrong person to try to frame though. Roleclaim time!

I am Mafia Don, Leader, Mafia aligned. My power is that only once this entire game I can pick a player during the day and neutralize all votes on that player and moving the lynch to the person with the 2nd most votes. The effect won't be shown until the end of the day but it will prove my innocence completely.

So let's do this then. Everyone else is probably unsure of who to trust at this point (my claim or Sif's) so I'll propose that we place 2-3 votes on Sif and then place 4 votes on myself. I will use my power to protect myself from the lynch. If I'm lying about everything and really I'm a scum role, then I'll be killed by the lynch. If I'm right, then the lynch will be redirected to Sif for lying about being a watcher and town aligned.

I fully expect Sif to start defending himself by claiming "oh well my powers may be faulty/bad info".

Vote: Sifright

[Sifright]

Nope, my power is dead on and if thats your line I say we test it and prove you wrong easiest lynch ever.

[Sifright]

Also.

I'm so confident in myself for this i'm going to place a vote on myself to help ensure i have the second highest vote tally for when we lynch him.



un^_^:Moogle

^_^:Sifright

[Moogle0119]

Cool. Everyone else vote for me then (unless Sif and/or one of his scum buddies decides to switch votes). Easiest lynch ever indeed.

[Nikose Tyris]

Vote: Moogle.

[Gregness]

Sure, let's go with this then. Though, I feel like I should point out that if this goes as Moogle says, that only confirms his power, not his alignment.

Vote: Moogle

[Moogle0119]

Gregness - Although I can't copy & paste the PM as per rules, it does actually state that my identity will be given away once my power is used. I can only guess that it will hopefully reveal my alignment as well, but I don't anything beyond that honestly.

P.S. Plus it's very rare for any scum to have powers that manipulate votes like this.

[BahamutFlare]

If there are 2 scum roles left, then Sif can unvote and vote, his buddy can vote, and effectively get a free lynch on whoever they want. Though it would out them as scum. I'd feel better putting Sif to 3 and Moogle to 4.

[Sifright]

If there are 2 scum roles left, then Sif can unvote and vote, his buddy can vote, and effectively get a free lynch on whoever they want. Though it would out them as scum. I'd feel better putting Sif to 3 and Moogle to 4.

Good point I'll unvote myself incase moogle and scum team vote hammers me.

un^_^:Sifright

[Moogle0119]

Sif, you need to either vote for me or yourself. I really don't care who votes for who, as long as I have the most votes on myself and the second most are on you. With you just invoting, it already shows you're trying to manipulate the votes to screw over this plan.

[Sifright]

I don't trust you not to screw me over and try and votehammer but your right I should have put my vote on you afterwards.

^_^:Moogle

There you go vote on you.

[BahamutFlare]

Vote: Sifright

Just as a safety net.

[Moogle0119]

Sif, not like it really matters but how exactly would I do that if I'm already voting for you?

Edit: You're the one who has changed your votes twice in the last 4 hours alone.

[Vauron]

^_^: Moogle

I've been suspicious of Moogle anyway.

[Sifright]

because I think you are lieing I think you are scum and I think when i get to three votes you will have your scum mate vote me lynching me.

[Aldurin]

Majority reached, voting is closed.

[Aldurin]

Everyone turned toward Moogle, and began to surround him in order to make sure that he wouldn't get away. Suddenly Moogle reached into his pocket and produced the Ring of the True Mafiate, proving him to be the Mafia Don, Leader, Mafia aligned. Everyone who was in favor of stringing him up earlier suddenly backed off, unsure of what to do. Then the attention turned to Sifright, who had already made enemies and had pushed so hard to imply that Moogle was someone else. The group dived on him as he tried to pull a gun, and a misfire rendered it useless during the scuffle. When they finally managed to snap his neck, they found contract papers proving Sifright to be Vigilante McBadass, Rolestealer, Town Aligned. He was carrying extra pockets, probably to store equipment he would find, but they were empty.

It is now Night 3, which will last until Wednesday evening or when all possible night actions are submitted.

[Sifright]

Hahahahahahahaha



Edit:still laughing

double edit: now im sad

[Aldurin]

The gunshots! WHY WOULDN'T THEY STOP? That was all anyone could hear during the night, then suddenly there was silence. As everyone went around to look for dead bodies it became clear that Bahamutflare was once again victim to the pepper spray. In one of the hallways was Gregness and Vauron dead on the floor. The walls were peppered with bullet holes and the ground was almost dangerous from the amount of bullet casings. It appears both of them were having an epic duel in the hallway, but nobody was the winner. Gregness is Mr. Trenchcoat, Vigilante, Mafia Aligned. Vauron is Sleeper Agent, Scanproof, Town-Aligned.

It is now Day 4, with 4 people left it takes 3 to lynch. I'm not even gonna bother setting a time.

[rpgdemon]

DEADPOST:

Who's the fourth? I count three.

Edit: Ah the still alive thing in the OP was confusing.

[Fenris]

Things we know and why we know them:

There is one Scum left. If there were two, the game would be over.

Moogle is Confirmed as Mafia.

This leaves myself, Nikose, and BahamutFlare as completely unconfirmed as Mafia.

We all know my role is that of roleblocker, due to Inbred's stuff.

Bahamut has claimed bulletproof, but it is unverified.

Nikose has claimed bodyguard, and that has never been counter-claimed, so I am inclined to believe his claim as Mafia.

This leaves us with basically two options, vote for me, or vote for Bahamut.

Of the choices, I will obviously butts Bahamut, as he is not me and I know that I am Mafia.

Looking at it logically, it seems that we're looking at the possibility of a bulletproof/vanilla scumbag or a roleblocking scumbag. I find the bulletproof scumbag to be a bit more likely, based on history, and given Aldurin's relative inexperience in terms of mafia GOing.

Meta as fuck, but it's what I got.

^_^: BahamutFlare

[Nikose Tyris]

...Based entirely on whimsical fuckery?

^_^: BahamutFlare

May god have mercy if I'm wrong.

[Moogle0119]

I'm heavily leaning towards voting BF myself, but I'll hold off on my vote to hear what BF has to say first.

[Inbred Chocobo]

http://homebot.everyboty.net/pix/222.gif
/Deathpost

[BahamutFlare]

Wait. Let's use common sense. If I'm scum, then why did I press so hard on Ecks D1. and D2. I was more suspicious of Sif's bs claim and caught the tracker BS before Moogle claimed. Gem was SK, so agreeing that I was suspicious of him doesn't matter much. I've been spot on for nailing scum this game. You disregard the proof I'm not scum and say I am based on Aldurin being a GM.

Whoever is mafia between Nikose and Fenris is not thinking at all. Through this conclusion, it's Nikose not thinking at all. Nikose just acts scummy.

The Wall, BulletProof, Mafia Aligned full claim btw for those curious.

I believe Fenris is scum though. Sure he is confirmed as roleblocker, but that doesn't mean anything. As someone stated, roleblocker is more helpful as a scum role. Why was I sprayed Fenris? Becuase you don't believe my role claim and didn't want to take a chance with my night action performing if I had one? You want to lynch me now since you can't roleblock me and kill me at night but you can roleblock and kill Nikose. You peppered RPGdemon because he was playing well. And you didn't want anything happening because he would've targeted someone helpful to you. You saying he was playing terribly was wrong. RPG was playing well and being logical forcing the no lynch.

Remember don't be too hasty. If you're wrong, scum wins. Before I posted once for the day, I had two votes on me. Now unlike using Aldurin as a reason, I give you my reasons. Why sacrifice 2 members of scum if they were 1 away from winning before? To give me credit? I played awful as scum if that was the case and you guys know it.

Vote: Fenris

[Moogle0119]

Fenris, you never have fully roleclaimed either yet have you? Now would be an excellent time to do so.

[BahamutFlare]

Hey now, none of that, I'm dead :P

We seem like we are on the same team obviously right? [/sarcasm] Making a second deathpost to comment on my one post of bragging against catching him D1.

I'm curious to Nikose's full claim too. But less so than Fenris.

[Moogle0119]

^ what BF said. Nikose let's hear your full roleclaim too.

[Fenris]

I'm on my smartphone, so this will probably be brief and full of typographical errors and such.

Roleclaim: Peter "Pepper" Parsons, Roleblocker, Mafia-aligned

I pepper spray people at night and this prevents them from acting.

Concise rebuttal to above points:

Rpg always plays terribly, and I in no way regret blocking him as he probably would have put himself on the line to save Vauron or some shit.

I blocked sif two nights ago because he seemed scummy. Why would I purposefully block my own faction if I were scum?

I blocked you last night because of the remaining people, you seemed (and still do seem) the scummiest. Vauron had just killed sif, so he seemed fairly innocent to me but fortunately Greg thought otherwise.

Maybe more to come once I'm at a computer.

[Gregness]

The gunshots! WHY WOULDN'T THEY STOP? That was all anyone could hear during the night, then suddenly there was silence. As everyone went around to look for dead bodies it became clear that Bahamutflare was once again victim to the pepper spray. In one of the hallways was Gregness and Vauron dead on the floor. The walls were peppered with bullet holes and the ground was almost dangerous from the amount of bullet casings. It appears both of them were having an epic duel in the hallway...

This is approximately how it went down.

8GA1KhsWvRI

[Aldurin]

Pretty much, Gregness. Though my version has more backflips off the walls and bullet-on-bullet action.

[Fenris]

Why was I sprayed Fenris? Becuase you don't believe my role claim and didn't want to take a chance with my night action performing if I had one?

Exactly this.

[Nikose Tyris]

My full claim is... you're going to hate this. -_- But I swear to God, it's word-for-Word what Aldurin said.

The Goddamn Bat- I mean Bodyguard, Bodyguardm Mafia aligned

I'm Yellow. I'm willing to believe that Moogle is Yellow [For obvious reasons].

The last mafiate is either BF, or Fenris. BF and Fenris are both skilled enough to bullshit their way through, so I'm at that "Flip a coin" phase.

[Moogle0119]

I'm pretty convinced that Fenris isn't scum due to the fact that I can't imagine scum roles using their own powers against each other to make one of them seem innocent (especially with Sif being a role stealer). The only other possibilities are Nikose or BF. I'm willing to take my chances and say BF is the remaining scum role, though if we're wrong we can just have Fenris roleblock Nikose tonight to prevent him from killing either of us and we'll kill him the following day. Either way will result in a win for the mafia.

Vote: BahamutFlare

[Nikose Tyris]

Mind you, It's entirely in Fenris' character to traitor his own team to make himself look clean, then sweep the board, like he can potentially do now.

Like I said- flip of a coin.

[BahamutFlare]

I forgot he sprayed Sifright that night. I honestly don't like Nikose's roleclaim now either, but I like Moogle's plan as long as Fenris isn't scum. Which I'm hoping he isn't.

Unvote: Fenris
Vote: Nikose

[Moogle0119]

Well if that ends up being true, then you have to be sure protect whichever one of us that Fenris decides to kill.

Flip a coin indeed.

[BahamutFlare]

Although, I like how the claim is the only thing. Not the fact that I was against 3 scum all game. I typed up that big huge post and meta is the reason it wasn't considered. No one thinks that maybe Nikose lied about their power role? He's basically unconfirmed.

I'm gonna also predict I was targetted N1. Those empty shells were because they hit me weren't they Nikose? And you used it like you guarded yourself. and I fell for it and helped you guys along?

Oh well, I have no idea which one of you is scum. Here's hoping for the next day for mafia.

[BahamutFlare]

I'm on my smartphone, so this will probably be brief and full of typographical errors and such.

Roleclaim: Peter "Pepper" Parsons, Roleblocker, Mafia-aligned

I pepper spray people at night and this prevents them from acting.

Concise rebuttal to above points:

Rpg always plays terribly, and I in no way regret blocking him as he probably would have put himself on the line to save Vauron or some shit.

I blocked sif two nights ago because he seemed scummy. Why would I purposefully block my own faction if I were scum?

I blocked you last night because of the remaining people, you seemed (and still do seem) the scummiest. Vauron had just killed sif, so he seemed fairly innocent to me but fortunately Greg thought otherwise.

Maybe more to come once I'm at a computer.

BS on the claim. There is no dash in between mafia and aligned. Aligned is also capital. Although Nikose didn't give an actual roleclaim either.

[Moogle0119]

I'm 50/50 on the scum being you (BF) or Nikose at this point. Either way, mafia will win tomorrow unless Fenris is scum and targeted his own teammate to prove his innocence later down the road, while avoiding night kills until it came down to this point as well as possibily preventing his own teammate (the one he pepper sprayed) from stealing a power to help their own team. All this is VERY unlikely.

P.S. If Fenris IS the remaining scum role I'd rather lose to him for executing such a plan perfectly than either of you since that would be one hell of a deserved and impressive win.

[Ecks]

/deadpost

We seem like we are on the same team obviously right? [/sarcasm] Making a second deathpost to comment on my one post of bragging against catching him D1.

Because I was trying for gentlemanship and sportsmanlike conduct.

Dick.

[Fenris]

BS on the claim. There is no dash in between mafia and aligned. Aligned is also capital. Although Nikose didn't give an actual roleclaim either.

On my phone fuck youuuuuu

[Aldurin]

Ecks, shut up.

There is x/y * pi days left, and there are votes on people. Carry on.

[Moogle0119]

I think we have 3 votes on BF actually

[BahamutFlare]

I got majority on me Aldurin. Moogle did vote for me, and Nikose, and Fenris.

[Aldurin]

You're not the GM, you don't know nothin'!

The man was considered unstoppable, but that didn't even make the others pause for a moment. Bahamutflare was overpowered and revealed to be The Wall, BulletProof, Mafia Aligned. Everyone was suddenly on edge because now there was only 2 possibilities left and they didn't have much time to deal with them.

It is now Night 4.

[Aldurin]

Moogle heard the gunshots again, and not wanting to risk losing valuable information, went over to see who the victim was. Nikose, who was The Goddamn Bat- I mean Bodyguard, Mafia aligned, lay dead in the hallway, apparently pepper-sprayed before he was shot between the eyes. He heard the click of a gun and turned around to find Fenris, who all along was Eager Cadet, Roleblocker, Town Aligned, pointing the gun at his head and showing the police badge. It was an amazing score for the recent recruit, the whole organization was brought down, their leader captured, and all outside help didn't have to be paid anymore. As he walked out of the bunker with Moogle handcuffed the rest of the force from his precinct roared with applause. It felt great to be the hero again.

Moogle was later put on death row and ended up stabbed in jail due to a mentally broken Jester in the next cell. Fenris went on to become the police chief of his precinct, still considered a national hero for a long time after the events that took place back in that operation.

Town wins. Post on how you all failed at mafia to come up shortly.

[Sifright]

hahahahaha, this thread is a perfect example of why multi step plans always faiiiiil

[Fenris]

hahahahaha, this thread is a perfect example of why multi step plans always faiiiiil

Mine worked just fine, thankyouverymuch.

[Ecks]

No its a perfect example of no one ever give me a scum role again I am horrible at pretending to not be scum.

Also my suicide vote Day 2 was to get the lynch to go through and end the day early. But Vauron man... fucking talk to us before you do stuff dude, you almost screwed the pooch. If Fenris wasn't THE fucking man Mafia would've won this game.

[rpgdemon]

Fuck you all, I knew Fenris was scum from the beginning. And I would have saved the town with my D1 no-lynch if you all weren't stupid.

My scum list:

-Sifright
-Fenris
-IC
-Vauron

Jerks.

[Ryong]

Don't mean to backseat or anything, I only just kept up with the couple last days but:

Dude with pepperspray, doesn't sound like a cop, no way.

...Really?

[Aldurin]

Here's the role descriptions with the synopsis of their actions.

Nikose:
The Goddamn Bat- I mean Bodyguard, Mafia aligned: An expert in keeping your partners alive, you've quickly risen to the ranks of the mafia inner circle.
Once per night you may select a player to save. The selected person will be unkillable until the next day.

Night 1: Protects self.

Night 2: Protects self . . . AGAIN.

Night 3: Protects self.

Moogle:
Mafia Don, Leader, Mafia aligned: Your expertise in the earliest incursions allowed you to quickly sieze power, and your word is just short of absolute law.

Once during the game (and only once) you can protect a player during the day, neutralizing votes on them and moving the lynch to the runner-up, should the protected have the majority vote at the time. The effect will not be revealed until the end of the day, but your identity will be given away with it too.

Day 3: Uses power to protect himself and move the lynch onto Sifright.

Gregness:
Mr. Trenchcoat, Vigilante, Mafia Aligned: Your nickname comes from the trenchcoat you always wear, rumored to be lead-lined and have enough secret pockets to get anything into any secure zone. It comes to no surprise that you'd have a gun on you right now.

Once per night, you can select a target to kill. Beware that if you kill two mafia-aligned players in a row, you will also gain miller status for the rest of the game.

Night 1: Target rpgdemon for a kill

Night 2: Target Geminex for a kill

Night 3: Target Vauron for a kill

rpgdemon:
Recon Jon, Detective, Mafia Aligned: Scopin' out areas and what each person can do is your gig, and you do it well.

Once per night, you can select a player to scan. At the end of the night, you will get details on their role and alignment.

Night 1: Targeted Gregness.

IHMN:
Silent Slim, Watcher, Mafia Aligned: You're far more observant than most people realize, and that gives you an edge in these situations.

Once per night, you can select one person to see who they target and who targets them. Once during the game, you can foreit this action and watch the whole group, recieving info on who targets who, but identified by role instead of name.

Night 1: Using secondary action.

Bahamutflare:
The Wall, BulletProof, Mafia Aligned: Rumors still spread about whether or not you can actually die.

You are immune to all nightkill attempts, but not lynching attempts.

Inbred Chocobo:
Sir Gizmo, Inventor, Mafia Aligned: You can make anything from anything, but you'll probably need a reference of what you're making first.

On Night 0 (or night 1 if you want to wait), you can scan any person to see their role. Once you get that result, you automatically get the same power as them (if they have a power) and can use that power starting as early as night 1 (if applicable).

(Recieved Roleblocker power from Fenris)

Night 1: Targeted Bahamutflare with roleblock.

Night 2: Targeted Sifright with roleblock. Targeted by Geminex for nightkill.


Town roles: (Ecks, Fenris, Sifright and Vauron)

Fenris
Eager Cadet, Roleblocker, Town Aligned: You're still fresh meat in the police force, but that doesn't hold down your excitement. Though for some reason you do have an alarming obsession with pepper-spraying people.

Once per night, you can target someone and prevent them from targeting anyone else with their ability (if they have one) for that night. You can choose to target two players, shooting the pepper spray can to roleblock both of them (and you, meaning you can't perform the faction kill that night). Taking the second option will revert you to vanilla for the rest of the game.

Night 1: Targeted rpgdemon for the roleblock.

Night 2: Targeted Sifright(?) for the roleblock.

Night 3: Targeted Bahamutflare with the roleblock.

Night 4: Targeted Nikose with both the roleblock and the kill.

Vauron
Sleeper Agent, Scanproof, Town-Aligned: You managed to get yourself within the mafia organization during its earliest days, making it nearly impossible for them to consider that you're actually a trained federal agent.

When scanned, you will show up as Mafia Aligned.

Night 2: Targeted Inbred Chocobo with the faction kill.

NIght 3: Targeted Gregness with the faction kill.

Ecks
Black-ops veteran, Assassin, Town Aligned: You were hired for this bust due to your subtelty on the field.

Once during the game, you may make the faction kill a disappearance if you're the one performing the kill. Any actions you take cannot be tracked by any means.

Lynched Day 2.

Sifright
Vigilante McBadass, Rolestealer, Town Aligned: You can adapt to any situation and make use of any equipment you find.

For the first faction kill that you perform, you will gain the abilities of the victim (should they have any.)

Night 1: Targets the first faction kill against Nikose.

Self-Aligned:

Geminex
Vengeful loner, Serial Killer, Self-Aligned: The mafia took away everything from you, and the police did nothing to help. They all need to die.

You can perform one nightkill each night. You win when everyone else is dead.

Night 1: Target IHMN for the kill.

Night 2: Targeted IC for nightkill.

All roles were assigned randomly (I literally rolled decrementing dice for each assignment.)

The two wildcard roles to give some more uncertainty to the game were Sifright and IC. IC immediately responded back to scan Fenris, who at the time I was just about to roll for. Thus IC became a roleblocker and knew Fenris' role excluding flavor and alignment. Now think guys, what kind of lame-ass mafia uses pepper-spray, while the police have it as standard equipment?

Day 1 took an interesting turn when rpgdemon made the call to force a tie and spare Bahamutflare from the lynch, which I honestly feel was a good move on his part since the town needed numbers.

Night 1 went pretty interestingly. Both investigation roles were wiped out by Gregness and Geminex, while the scum assumed that Nikose wouldn't protect himself and sent Sifright to try to kill and take his power. Fenris went ahead and roleblocked rpgdemon and IC blocked Bahamutflare (fun fact, pepper-spray combo would not have worked on him since his power is not targetable).

Day 2 had more direction than day 1 when Ecks claim fell apart quickly. Not much more to be said.

On Night 2 Fenris decided to roleblock Sifright since IC outed his role, so everyone would know it was him when it happened. Then Vauron went to get rid of IC. Geminex also went after IC and was promptly killed by Gregness.

Day 3 was when Moogle went all badass with his role, since Sifright chose the one person he shouldn't have claimed against and that lead to them playing vote chicken until Vauron stepped in and closed the lynch (Man, I got dem rage PMs good).

Night 3 resulted Vauron and Gregness fighting to the death in an epic showdown while Fenris wandered off to douse Bahamutflare with pepper spray. This whole time Nikose was still protecting himself.

Day 4 was where Fenris capitalized on the shakiness of Bahamutflare's claim and managed to secure victory during the night by using both his roleblock and kill on Nikose to get past his defense (I didn't wait for Nikose's PM since it wouldn't have mattered).

Overall, I like how it went, though I was really torn about giving the scum 4 people instead of 3. I am disappointed that some roles never got into play (Sifright's felt like a running gag after Night 2).

For a final note:
DON'T TRUST FENRIS, DUMBASSES!

[rpgdemon]

I'd also like to point out the blatant defamation of character.

In the first game I'd ever played, I called out the scum, and was dead because they were the majority because people were no good inactives.

In the game where I was SK, I managed to get the town to not lynch me, by saying I was SK but could turn good, and was very close to winning that one, but there was really no way out of it when I roleclaim SK.

In another game, we had a group of three people who were our own faction, with no kill power, and only one secret vote. We should have won that one, but we were misinformed about how our secret vote worked. We thought we had one one per round of voting, it was only one, ever. We ended up winning anyway though, by merit of the game being comprised entirely of neutral factions.

[Moogle0119]

Wow, I totally overlooked the whole pepperspray-cop connection. Either way, well played Fenris!

[Ecks]

DON'T TRUST FENRIS, DUMBASSES!

Sigged for posterity

[BahamutFlare]

I was right on each time with my accusations. Ecks, Gem (for the wrong reasons), Sif, Fenris. My defense was spot on wasn't it? I wrote that whole big post explaining why Fenris was scum was so spot on and no one paid any attention to it. I'm limiting myself to one or two sentences next game.

Granted, town being a third of the population with a SK on the loose was unexpected. Holy cow.

Also, sorry Ecks, but you were giving me ammo I could use to prove I was mafia. I'll dissect anything to get some information whether it be used for defense and offense.

Fenris, when you said that you were really busy in RL, was that a tactic to lurk? Because I noticed that after you said that, you posted more often. Which made me suspicious early on.

[Geminex]

Good game, well played. I kinda think that 4 (potential) deaths per day was a bit much, but it defintely made for a pretty frantic game, and that was quite enjoyable! Nights seemed a bit long at times, but that was cool.

Bodyguards protecting themselves is such bullshit, but since scum had a roleblocker, it all worked out.

4 town to 8 town does seem a bit much, but eh. It ended up being pretty balanced in the end, so no cause for complaint.

I was quite pleased to get SK, but I'll have to keep my head lower next time.

And yeah, I think, from now on, we can just assume that Fen is always scum. Always.

Anyway, that was fun, thanks to earl for setting it up, and nicely done to everyone who played. I'd nominate Fenris for MVP for speaking up when it counted, and Sifright for second MVP for almost going through with his dastardly plan. And he would've gotten away with it too, if it weren't for that meddling Ecks.

So, who's next?

Edit:
Oh, and since I never got around to making my deathpost, here it is now:
http://i.imgur.com/IebdQ.png
<3 you, earl!

[BahamutFlare]

It was a well made game though Aldurin. Congrats on your first one hosting. Good balancing for the most part.

[Aldurin]

Nights seemed a bit long at times, but that was cool.

I literally cut every night short due to all potential actions coming in. Way to complain.

[Fenris]

Fenris, when you said that you were really busy in RL, was that a tactic to lurk? Because I noticed that after you said that, you posted more often. Which made me suspicious early on.

No. I got thrown a huge curveball that has taken and is taking up the entirety of my free time. This is legitimate.

[Ecks]

Truthfully I had Moogle or Greg pegged for SK and Vig, and I was sorta right only Greg turned out Vig and Moogle was actually Mayor.

Great game everybody, can't wait for the next one to start up! I'll try not to be so goddamn transparent next time.

[Inbred Chocobo]

What sucks is that when I died, at sat back and then tried to determine if I was truly right about those roles again, and then realized. Wait... FUUUCCKKCKCK FENRIS IS USING FUCKING PEPPERSPRAY, SHIIIIIIT

But I was dead, and I couldn't go back and change anything. Ah well, good game, glad to see at least I was right on 4/6 of my list, and wrong on my safe list by 1, but oh well.

[Fenris]

also bodyguards who can protect themselves are fucking stupid, just sayin'

y'know, since it makes an unkillable townie once they claim

also bodyguards who can protect themselves are fucking stupid, just sayin'

y'know, since it makes an unkillable townie once they claim

Even though I was a roleblocker, like, you made all of my blocks public, you asshole

My defense was spot on wasn't it?

Obviously not, considering nobody bought it.
You want to lynch me now since you can't roleblock me and kill me at night but you can roleblock and kill Nikose.

I wanted to lynch you because you were the only person who wasn't confirmed as town, not because I couldn't kill you.

I was under the impression that I could roleblock you and kill you just as easily as I did Nikose.
You peppered RPGdemon because he was playing well. And you didn't want anything happening because he would've targeted someone helpful to you. You saying he was playing terribly was wrong. RPG was playing well and being logical forcing the no lynch.
I peppered rpg because he was playing terribly. He lucked into suspecting me, and I didn't know what his role was and I didn't want to get vig'd or investigated. He's very good at drawing correct conclusions for the absolutely fucking dumbest reasons, it's baffling.

[Aldurin]

also bodyguards who can protect themselves are fucking stupid, just sayin'

y'know, since it makes an unkillable townie once they claim

That probably wouldn't have been as bad if Nikose wasn't the bodyguard. And remember that unlike bulletproofs he had the roleblock vulnerability.

Even though I was a roleblocker, like, you made all of my blocks public, you asshole

Blame IC for immediately wanting your dick power, because you wouldn't have had to give any fucks if he didn't expose you.

[Fenris]

That probably wouldn't have been as bad if Nikose wasn't the bodyguard. And remember that unlike bulletproofs he had the roleblock vulnerability.

You have the weirdest stipulations on when and how roles work.

I actually blocked Bahamut on the hopes that Greg would take him out overnight, as the scumteam had figured out the roles of everybody at that point.

I peppered rpg because he was playing terribly. He lucked into suspecting me, and I didn't know what his role was and I didn't want to get vig'd or investigated. He's very good at drawing correct conclusions for the absolutely fucking dumbest reasons, it's baffling.

It's like he plays so terribly that the universe doesn't know how to handle such magnificent levels of suckitude and it pulls it back around to the other side of the failure spectrum in desperation for equilibrium.

[Aldurin]

You have the weirdest stipulations on when and how roles work.

I actually blocked Bahamut on the hopes that Greg would take him out overnight, as the scumteam had figured out the roles of everybody at that point.

Once per night, you can target someone and prevent them from targeting anyone else with their ability (if they have one) for that night.

I probably should have clarified that this would only work on targetable powers and not passive powers. But I still maintain my original standing on how mister invincible gives no fucks about some pepper juice in his eyes.

[Fenris]

I probably should have clarified that this would only work on targetable powers and not passive powers. But I still maintain my original standing on how mister invincible gives no fucks about some pepper juice in his eyes.

The main flaws in my plans were simply assumptions that this game would be run in a similar manner as the rest of them, when like, I could roleblock and murderface simultaneously if I so chose, and I knew that after night 2 when I peppered Sif and Earl was like "so are you or Vauron going to make the kill" and I was like "that's odd, Vauron, duh, I'm blockin' peepz"

[Sifright]

The bodyguard being able to self target was the biggest curve ball to be honest, never played a game where that was an expected part of bodyguard even in nikose FR mafiagame I wasn't able to protect myself until near the end of the game when my entire team was dead.


My super secret plan which didn't work was to get all the scum faction voting me so we would have three votes on me and then when the town had three votes on moogle two of use would switch to voting on nikose or bahamat and one of our team would get the final vote on moogle meaning moogle either took the death or pushed the death onto nikose.

double edit: sadly i didn't explain the plan very well and i got welped.

[Vauron]

Yeah, I should have both payed more attention to the number of votes that had been cast, and asked for clarification of Sifright's plan.

[Ecks]

My hope in claiming vanilla was in not picking a big flashy role that would have to be demonstrated or risked a counterclaim, with not drawing attention to myself being the goal. It backfired horribly because as others eventually got around to stating this was an "everyone has a role" game. That said, that is exactly how I would have played town were I not scum and in possession of the knowledge of the scum team so I guess I really need to lurk moar and be more of an asshole and less helpful overall.

I second Earl's lament that some powers never got to be used. Not that it would've mattered in my case as the rolewatchers both died night 1 anyway and thus my power was completely redundant, except that neat little tidbit about making a kill a disappearance. I would've liked to have seen how that would have worked when the night post was made. But we bet on nikose and let sif try to rolesteal, figuring it would be more useful in the long run to have a scum-bodyguard than to disappearify somebody night 1.

[IHateMakingNames]

Almost 2:1 on town to mafia plus a SK. How it came down to a last vote is shocking.

[rpgdemon]

It was my pro moves. ^_^

[Gregness]

Pepper spray... PEPPER SPRAY!

FUCKIN' DEEEEEEERP

Should've seen that.

That said, I think I can be proud of a 67% scum ratio with my night kills. And, to be fair, I was torn between Vauron and Fenris for my last night kill, but I decided on Vauron both because of IC's suspicions of him (and he'd been proven right multiple times throughout the game) and because his last vote on Moogle seemed hammer-y.

[Sifright]

Pepper spray... PEPPER SPRAY!

FUCKIN' DEEEEEEERP

Should've seen that.

That said, I think I can be proud of a 67% scum ratio with my night kills. And, to be fair, I was torn between Vauron and Fenris for my last night kill, but I decided on Vauron both because of IC's suspicions of him (and he'd been proven right multiple times throughout the game) and because his last vote on Moogle seemed hammer-y.

Hahaha I was litteraly in awe of the fact no one made that connection I was expecting at any moment some one to go HOLD ON.

[Ecks]

Ordinarily I would ask that roleblockers be given much less glaringly obvious descriptions of powers but then not even I made the connection until Fenris went out and said something.

But no seriously next time please don't do something so obvious ONE OF US might be smart enough to figure it out... maybe.

[Aldurin]

But no seriously next time please don't do something so obvious ONE OF US might be smart enough to figure it out... maybe.

The idea before IC ruined that dynamic is that you could eventually figure out that the role blocker running loose was probably scum, but that went out the window the moment that IC confirmed Fenris to that role. It wouldn't have been as crippling for Fenris if he wasn't exposed, assuming that in that alternate reality people made the connection (and acted on it, that's the next big part of that thought process).

[Sifright]

to be fair I wasn't joking when I said Fenris is basically always mafia

[BahamutFlare]

Just because no one bought my defense doesn't mean that I was wrong. I have the persuasion of a mute guy.

Also, pepper spray. Since IC was using it too, I honesty didn't think of that connection.

[Fenris]

to be fair I wasn't joking when I said Fenris is basically always mafia

What are the chances I'll be mafia next game? Pretty low, I bet!

Also, like, I was almost never ever mafia until the games came back here recently with Homestuck. Since then, I've been a mafiate often. It's a lot more fun on this side of things.

Just because no one bought my defense doesn't mean that I was wrong. I have the persuasion of a mute guy.

The reason that you were right in calling me scum is because I was literally the only other person who wasn't confirmed. All of your speculation about my actions was way off base.

[Ecks]

Hey I know this is as off topic as all hell Fen but can you please update the Game List thread pretty please it is wildly inaccurate and not up to date.

[Fenris]

Hey I know this is as off topic as all hell Fen but can you please update the Game List thread pretty please it is wildly inaccurate and not up to date.

I already did, Slowpants McWaybehind!

Mind you, It's entirely in Fenris' character to traitor his own team to make himself look clean, then sweep the board, like he can potentially do now.

Like I said- flip of a coin.

It sure is.

[Inbred Chocobo]

I already did, Slowpants McWaybehind!

Requesting Ecks name be changed to this.


Also, main reason I picked to copy Fenris is that he is the hardest person for me to determine what role he has in every game, as I can never read the guy. Having a way to doublecheck his role, I decided to jump on the chance and do so.

[Ecks]

Fucking do it.

In the words of Patrick Stewart, make it so.

[Fenris]

Fucking do it.

In the words of Patrick Stewart, make it so.

I did, but somebody decided to change it back. :(

[Geminex]

Synk did, by request.

Admin fight!

[Ecks]

Yeah sorry man but damn i didn't actually expect you to, y'know, do it. So I asked synk to put it back for me.

Also also for the record if i say shit like that in a thread or whatever please regard it as a joke, if i seriously want my name changed i'll pm someone about it.

It was hilarious for a day though man, logging in to that was just the best shit ever.

EDIT: Also if I'm typing in my usual Cyan my post is usually unserious. If I drop post color and use actual punctuation and grammar, then I'm either making a mafia post or being serious (and I'll usually say as much in a post if its not a mafia thread).

[Fenris]

EDIT: Also if I'm typing in my usual Cyan my post is usually unserious. If I drop post color and use actual punctuation and grammar, then I'm either making a mafia post or being serious (and I'll usually say as much in a post if its not a mafia thread).

You weren't posting in Cyan!

[Ecks]

Good point. I'll be more consistent in the future. My apologies.

[Gregness]

IC, I'm curious what tells you were getting that let you finger basically every person on the scum team except Fenris. I admit that perhaps I could have been following the thread a little closer, but I didn't think there were enough scumtells flying around to out all of them.