Valve Mafia - "You are all incompetent cowards!"

[Ryong]

Well now that's weird.

[BahamutFlare]

My role has the period at the end. That was what I thought you guys were originally talking about.

Rhiya, In the My Little Pony Mafia, there was a character restricted to only image posting. Gem, suspicions. can you point fingers? Or have any idea?

[Rhiya Ravenwing]

*OMGIMGSNIP*

"You are the Pyro, BLU "Hmmmphmph!" Tracker."

Oh wow, another roleclaim. So what happens to the rest of us with all this left-right-centre "I'M BLU!!!" exclamations?

And if Masked Jedi is the only person who hasn't made a contribution to this game so far, what are the ramifications of lynching him on basis of inactivity?

[rpgdemon]

It's essentially a no-lynch. RO said that he's going to GM kill any inactives. Fenris, what was your power?

[Fenris]

It's essentially a no-lynch. RO said that he's going to GM kill any inactives. Fenris, what was your power?

Stopping or forcing lynches, a night power that I won't disclose yet, and another night power that I don't actually know what it does that I can't use until Night 4.

Kinda curious.

[Aldurin]

Ok, if Gem is the tracker (which I assume is watcher) then he should try to communimacate who he tracked last night and what the results were. Basically who did he target, and then who targeted the person he targeted/was targeted by his target?

[Ecks]

So Jedi is more than likely out of the running as far as voting goes... And the roleclaims stand at Earl, Fenris, Gem, and rpg.

Not a whole lot to go on. I'm still suspicious of Earl's claim, vanilla in a Valve setting just doesn't seem plausible to me. Though he did mention in his post something about "Vanilla powers" so perhaps even as a Vanilla he has access to something?

Could you elaborate more on that, Earl? Or was that exactly what you meant when you said "Whatever that means" in that you literally have no clue?

I might not be too active today (realtime, not Day 2). It's Memorial Day, and I'm going to be visiting family. I might still post from my phone, but then that's a might.

Don't have enough time to make an informed vote, it'll look rushed and everyone will start pointing fingers at me for singling someone out. I may drop in later with a vote.

EDIT: I forgot, Ryong didn't actually roleclaim, did he? He only outlined his win condition and it is implied he's BLU. Or at least non-RED.

[Aldurin]

I was literally only told it was "Vanilla BLU", with no explanation. I just found it odd since generally people say plain old 'nilla. It may be something but it's probably nothing.

Vote: Bahamutflare

For actually admitting to using metagame on D1, and then being the last vote on the brief bandwagon against me D2 (possibly using your different reasoning to not look like more of a bandwagoner when it started breaking up). For me it looks like you're wanting to take out potentially dangerous townies, using your metagame reasoning against Fenris to try to take him out, and then with how nightkill info works, it would have been great for scum if they managed to fully drive the bandwagon on me and get a early D2 townie lynch.

I'd like to see your thoughts before I consider unvoting you. But it definitely feels like you're scum trying to get rid of townies, preferably those that could be dangerous to you.

[Ryong]

No I never did roleclaim. I don't think there's a reason for most of these roleclaims, though.

I'm agreeing with Aldurin here.

[BahamutFlare]

What meta did I use on D1? I said I don't mind when people use meta D1. For me, it's tolerable. It sparks conversation. My votes D1 were based on how the meta was reacted to, not actually meta themselves.

As for D2, I bet we all have powers, and while I did bandwagon on you, I felt a few things wrong with the claim.

Because I'm going to not be at the computer for a while, I'll say this. A vote for me is a vote for no lynch.

[Ryong]

So like a third of the players are getting saxton hale'd?

Clearly the best mafia game ever.

[Ryong]

I just realized.

I was finding it weird how we found only the ashes of Arhra and we have a pyro but we're totally okay with taking that roleclaim at face value.

So, hear me out:

Oron was a vengeful townie, right? So Bookie was either SK or mafia. The zombie horde clearly isn't RED, there'd be some flavor involving noticing that, while we can't see uniforms we can see who's a zombie. I'm thinking Geminex is lying with his claim. SK fits Pyro very well and given that the only known spy we have is town - unless said person is lying - I am inclined to believe Geminex is the SK. Therefore.

Vote:Geminex

[Sifright]

I just realized.

I was finding it weird how we found only the ashes of Arhra and we have a pyro but we're totally okay with taking that roleclaim at face value.

So, hear me out:

Oron was a vengeful townie, right? So Bookie was either SK or mafia. The zombie horde clearly isn't RED, there'd be some flavor involving noticing that, while we can't see uniforms we can see who's a zombie. I'm thinking Geminex is lying with his claim. SK fits Pyro very well and given that the only known spy we have is town - unless said person is lying - I am inclined to believe Geminex is the SK. Therefore.

Vote:Geminex

Thinking about this I actually agree a couple of things stand out as problematic with gems roleclaim.

Firstly the pyro as a tracker thematically doesn't fit. Pryos in Tf2 burn EVERY ONE indescriminately to check if they are a spy. So SK fits pretty perfectly. Second he typed up text in doing his roleclaim. Maybe RO gave an exception for it but that doesn't fit with the rest of what he's picture posted so far.

I've got fuck all else to go on for mafia targets apart from maybe Bahamut.

So it's a toss up between either of them for the moment. I think going for Gem might honestly be the best option for now.

Vote:Gem

Fos: Bahamut, Rihya

[Ryong]

Like okay maybe Backburner pyro would track people, but it'd be for killing them, too.

There's a lot of characters more fit to the task of watcher.

[rpgdemon]

I was thinking the same thing: A pyro that isn't burning people isn't a pyro. I thought Pyro would be able to spycheck, like, he could choose one person each night to hit with fire, and if it was Red, they'd die, but watcher doesn't make sense.

Unvote: Aldurin
Vote: Gem

[Geminex]

MPPPPPPH!

MPPH MMN MMMMPH MMPH MMMPH MMP MMMPH MPPH MMMMMPH!

!!!!!!!!!

"You are the Pyro, BLU "Hmmmphmph!" Tracker."
Night 1
2. Inbred Chocobo
l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l l
vvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvv
13. Gregness

Edit:
There's a lot of characters more fit to the task of watcher.
???



Pryos in Tf2 burn EVERY ONE indescriminately to check if they are a spy. So SK fits pretty perfectly.
Full friendly fire is still available as a server option but is rarely used in standard TF2 play.

[Ryong]

So.

Either you're saying the truth on something we have no idea if it's true and no way to prove and there's another Pyro - I'm trying to think of another Valve character with fire - who's the SK or you're lying.

Occam's Razor here.

[Fenris]

One way to see if Gem is telling the truth is to ask if IC targetted Greg last night.

[Geminex]

One way to see if Gem is telling the truth is to ask if IC targetted Greg last night.
P3ALwKeSEYs

[Geminex]

So.

Either you're saying the truth on something we have no idea if it's true and no way to prove and there's another Pyro - I'm trying to think of another Valve character with fire - who's the SK or you're lying.

Occam's Razor here.

Mmphmmph nnph? (http://www.infinitelooper.com/?v=nTbL5elVXrU&p=n#/106;108)

Mmmph...

[Ryong]

Retreating my vote for now.

Unvote:Geminex

Haven't played Half-Life much ::V:

Unless you, IC and Gregness are somehow in cahoots in which case we're all fucked but, again, Occam's Razor here.

[Aldurin]

What meta did I use on D1? I said I don't mind when people use meta D1. For me, it's tolerable. It sparks conversation. My votes D1 were based on how the meta was reacted to, not actually meta themselves.

My bad, I misread those posts. It still seems scummy since you voted for Fenris for defending himself against metagaming, on the basis of it being unnecessary if he was town.

Specifically you went after Fenris for defending himself here.

He didn't say it was irrelevant til I said it was irrelevant. He was arguing beforehand about that meta stuff. If you think something is irrelevant, then why argue it? He obviously felt the need to defend himself from a reason he dubbed to be pointless and have no merit. So why did he seem so concerned about it?

It doesn't matter if I'm arguing for or against metagaming. I think it's ok to do D1. End of discussion. My argument is entirely over how he handled the meta argument rather than the meta itself.

Fenris was arguing it because it was getting votes against him, so he had good reason to defend himself. It's really bad game form to vote for someone because they're trying to defend against votes on them, regardless of the reasoning.

FoS: Geminex

I don't feel like we have enough to go on with Gem until we get confirmation from IC and Greg. But I'm still wary.

[Rhiya Ravenwing]

Sorry, I'm operating on a phone for this post, and can't see all the images or vids placed by Gem. So sorry if I'm a tad brisk.

Why did I cop another FoS? I was trying to figure out what a pyro does. As far as I was concerned, TF2-wise I'm agreeing with Gem about how it's played. Ryong, didn't you say you haven't played TF2 before? Or just haven't played it in a while? now's a pretty good time to jump on and refresh your memory on it, maybe?

When I played TF2 at least, I've never been on a friendly fire server. Yes the pyro will indiscriminately spycheck, but if person getting checked is on the pyro's team, or not an opposing spy, literally nothing happens. If they're not, however, they get lit up on fire pretty well...

As to HL2 characters, the only character i know of there that has any burning weapon capability is Gordon Freeman, but i haven't played hl2 either :(

[Revising Ocelot]

Mission ends in 36 hours!

(extended because it'd be ending at 2AM my time otherwise)

[Ryong]

I have played TF2 extensively and there have been no actual mechanics updates since I stopped. Gem believes it's a Strider from HL2.

Until IC and Gregness report we can't really do shit.

[BahamutFlare]

Aldurin, at the time, he had 1 vote on him. I'm not sure if I voted at that time. Otherwise that would be two. Granted Fenris was right later. A bunch of people could bandwagon or people follow from any reason.

[Fenris]

Aldurin, at the time, he had 1 vote on him. I'm not sure if I voted at that time. Otherwise that would be two. Granted Fenris was right later. A bunch of people could bandwagon or people follow from any reason.

It was 2, you and Earl.

Which was why I was like, now wait a second, are we seriously doing this okay we're doing this RAGE

[Aldurin]

It was 2, you and Earl.

My only vote for that day was toward rpgdemon. You meant to say Sifright, correct?

[rpgdemon]

My only vote for that day was toward rpgdemon. You meant to say Sifright, correct?

To be fair, my voting was mostly based off of what two of his previous scummates said he was saying in scumchat before. Can you two explain yourself, and Fenris, can you explain your position on that? You did a pretty good job already, but I want to hear the dialog here.

[rpgdemon]

In fact, I KNOW I didn't vote for him in the early "I'M BEING TOTALLY META" phase, because I voted Sif, and you all thought that was suspicious and wanted to lynch me. I only switched my vote once his previous hivemates said he was lying about the previous game. What do you have to hide, Aldurin, by throwing me under the bus?

[Aldurin]

What do you have to hide, Aldurin, by throwing me under the bus?

What? Are you reading my posts? My last one was to literally point out to Fenris that I didn't vote for him on D1, pointing out a possible name confusion. Saying that I voted for you D1 was stating fact that happened (and you saw me unvote when I tentatively accepted your claim). My position may seem conflicting from D1's if that's what you mean, but that was because I actually looked into the whole discussion more. I am in no way throwing you under the bus, you're just blatantly misreading my posts.

[Fenris]

My only vote for that day was toward rpgdemon. You meant to say Sifright, correct?

Yeah, I get you two confused sometimes.

Rpg, my position on what, exactly?

[rpgdemon]

What? Are you reading my posts? My last one was to literally point out to Fenris that I didn't vote for him on D1, pointing out a possible name confusion. Saying that I voted for you D1 was stating fact that happened (and you saw me unvote when I tentatively accepted your claim). My position may seem conflicting from D1's if that's what you mean, but that was because I actually looked into the whole discussion more. I am in no way throwing you under the bus, you're just blatantly misreading my posts.

I totally misread your post. I thought you said you voted for Sifright, and that Fenris meant me, and I was like, "That in no way happened." Which is why you didn't say that.

[rpgdemon]

Fenris, your position on the perceived dichotomy between how you said you were going to act in the previous game, in the scummy-chat place, and how you said, this game, how you act if you're scum. If the other two are lying/misinterpretting what you said back then, they might be scummates again this game, and figure, "We've got two against one here, we'll say Fenris told us this last game."

[Fenris]

Fenris, your position on the perceived dichotomy between how you said you were going to act in the previous game, in the scummy-chat place, and how you said, this game, how you act if you're scum. If the other two are lying/misinterpretting what you said back then, they might be scummates again this game, and figure, "We've got two against one here, we'll say Fenris told us this last game."

I said shit came up because it did, I just took time out of sleep in order to win the game, which is why my activity increased.

They weren't really lying about what was said, they just weren't paying attention to what was done.

[Gregness]

Okay, while I think it's weird that the pyro would be a tracker rather than, say, a PO, I did in fact get roleblocked last night.

Whether it was IC or not I couldn't say.

[Fenris]

Also, everybody in this game should chip into this discussion right heauh (http://www.nuklearforums.com/showthread.php?p=1200144) because it very well change the entire way we do mafia at NPF!

[BahamutFlare]

Fenris, while you said things like we need to figure out who's scum and what not, what have you found out on who is scum or not?

[Gregness]

Actually, I want to hear from Inbred Chocobo. I had my suspicions of him yesterday, but I let them drop in the light of certain other actions he took but with the information RO sent me when he informed me my night action failed and with gem's claim that IC targetted me I have strong suspicions that he's scum.

Since we're not allowed to quote GM posts verbatim, what I'll say is that I had targetted Oron with my night power, and was informed that I was lept upon by a "mad cackling figure" who gave me "new and humiliating nightmares" and all I could do was stagger around the rest of the night. If I had to guess, that sounds like a L4D2 jockey and while it's possible someone else targetted me as well (since I wasn't exactly making friends D1) the current evidence suggests that IC is scum (unless we're willing to believe that infected are town aligned).

Vote: Inbred Chocobo

[Sifright]

........... Oh man, now I'm not sure what to think, that totally fits with my thoughts about Oron as well.

Unvote:gem

Vote:InbredChoc

Inbred I'm going to need to see a roleclaim.

[Fenris]

Fenris, while you said things like we need to figure out who's scum and what not, what have you found out on who is scum or not?

I'm suspicious of greed, maybe bard, maybe rpg, and I'm paranoid that Gregness is playing me for a chump by playing the game so well.

But mostly greed because he's been super inactive under the veil of being in Australia and he's pulled that before as scum multiple times.

I'm bad at guessing games :(

[Aldurin]

Unvote: Bahamutflare
Vote: Inbred Chocobo

Results take priority over suspicions. I'd wager on the roleblocker being scum, so I would like to see Inbred's claim, too.

[Ryong]

Vote:InbredChocobo

Yeah this just seems too weird.

[Geminex]

I'd wager on the roleblocker being scum,
P3ALwKeSEYs


Unvote: Bahamutflare
Vote: Inbred Chocobo

Vote: Inbred Chocobo

Unvote:gem

Vote:InbredChoc
gSSa87AUxeU

Edit:

Vote; IC

[Gregness]

*snip*

I'm paranoid that Gregness is playing me for a chump by playing the game so well.

*snip*

Yeah, the feeling is mutual. Basically, my Worst Cast Scenario is that you flip scum since you've been agreeing with me so much.

Also, we've got 5 or 6 votes on IC now, let's hold off on any more 'till he gets a chance to say something.

[Sifright]

Unvote:Inbred

I want information before I decide

Edit: and we lynch

[Ecks]

I have to leave my vote now or I dont get a vote in before deadline. Work just took over the next 18 hours of my life, so I'm voting now.

vote: inbred chocobo

I may get a chance to be more active after this shift, but at the expense of some sleep. Given the evidence above, and my earlier suspicions from day 1, I feel confident here, unless we get a roleclaim.

[Rhiya Ravenwing]

*shudder* the Jockey from L4D2... freaks me the fuck out. That was the second most terrifying thing for me in that game, the first being wandering witches (which I seem to disturb all the freaking time)...

Vote: Inbred Chocobo

[Fenris]

We should at least give IC the chance to roleclaim and then immediately disregard it in the search for VENGEANCE.

Or, whatever. Deadline will come up pretty soon and if IC can't come up with a convincing argument in his limited time, then I say we don't try to force the lynch and we just let it go through via deadline.

[Fenris]

We're currently at 6 votes for Inbred, don't make it 8.

[Revising Ocelot]

Mission ends in 10 hours!




totally not doing a vote count right now as it's 4AM and my sleeping schedule has gone almost completely FUBAR again

[Gregness]

So that's, what, 6:00am PST?

[BahamutFlare]

So that's, what, 6:00am PST?

Yes, 5:50 I guess to be exact. Either way, it'll be nice to have some information. I want some color on the front page! Hopefully red.

[Ecks]

I'd like some clarification as to why dead people from last night haven't given up any information. Can RO explain why or why not, and if not, why can't you tell us?

My vote stays til I hear from IC.

[Rhiya Ravenwing]

I'd like some clarification as to why dead people from last night haven't given up any information. Can RO explain why or why not, and if not, why can't you tell us?

My vote stays til I hear from IC.

Speculations are fun!

Maybe there's a specific passive role out there that's constantly active? Ie: you won't know until you've done away with said passive role who's who?

Though in this case, it brings out a more interesting gameplay if the dead remain mysteriously unaligned. Won't know until RO informs which team won...

[Revising Ocelot]

http://i.imgur.com/MBkRX.png

"SAXTON HAAAAAALE!"

The manliest Mann's man to have ever lived leaps out from Frontier's pit and points a rugged manly finger at Masked Jedi, also known as Gordon Freeman, BLU "..." Bodyguard.

"This weasel, I'm sure you fine folks have noticed, has been standing around doing absolutely nothing for the last several days! He is IDLING! And only the POOR and IRISH dare idle for hats under my watch!"

With one patented Saxton Punch™, Masked Jedi is sent flying into the atmosphere. Saxton then runs through the wall to continue his unending quest to sell products and get in fights.

The crowd is so awestruck by Saxton's dynamic entrance and exit that they quickly decide to throw Inbred Chocobo, AKA The Jockey, BLU "Eeheeheeaaahaaaahagh!" Roleblocker into the pit to keep The Announcer happy, so that they may dreamily talk about Mr. Hale for the rest of the round. Unfortunately, the round ends just a second later.



Day 2 is over and Masked Jedi and Inbred Chocobo are dead! The server is now loading plr_pipeline.

[Revising Ocelot]

http://wiki.teamfortress.com/w/images/thumb/2/20/Pipeline01.jpg/800px-Pipeline01.jpg

The server loads up Pipeline. RED and BLU push their carts into the middle, then promptly duck back into the base as a salvo of grenade spam from Demoman bots flies through the center.

However, a few enterprising individuals take it upon themselves to sneak into the side routes...



It is Night 2! Those of you with night roles, PM me with your actions in the next 24 hours.

[Inbred Chocobo]

Deathpost: (I'm doing it because I can)

So, honestly what happened here? I had a family emergency that pulled me out of town Sunday around Noonish, and I never managed to even get to a computer until just right now.

Looks like I missed a lot, ah well, thankfully being dead means I don't have to catch up.

[Revising Ocelot]

The Demoman bots get bored with grenade spam, and switch to Spy. Since the Spy AI is terrible, they achieve absolutely nothing and the two teams are able to converge again.

Draped over a railing, the corpse of Bard the 5th LW is found, with a single wound from a sharp pointy object in his back. This somehow caused his internal organs to all simultaneously fail.

On the other side of the map near the spawn door, Fenris is also dead. Nobody really wants to get close to take a better look, but it seems he choked to death.

Finally, lying in the middle of the area Geminex is found, with a distinctly bullet-shaped hole in his face. Boom!

Night 2 is over! The server is changing map to de_dust. (don't post yet)

[Revising Ocelot]

http://i.imgur.com/JjM5l.png

Day 3 begins! The map is now de_dust for approximately 72 hours. (you may post!)

[BahamutFlare]

Vote: Gregness

With a third death added to the mix, and Gregness roleblocked earlier. I can only assume that it was his doing.

[Sifright]

Every one needs to roleclaim.

I think I know what the 'condition' is that makes you town and the role claims will help me expose the Red players.

I will Roleclaim as well later.

[Sifright]

Current Fos list

Bahamut, Gregness, Rihya and Greed

[Ecks]

Okay guys, it's time to start getting things in order.

I am the Space Core, BLU "Dad, I'm in space!" Mason

There are two other players that I am in a mason group with, who shall remain anonymous until they choose to roleclaim.

I also have other information that I'll disclose later, once my groupmates roleclaim, regarding our power and what it was we've been up to the last two nights.

[Ryong]

Oh god not de_dust

FoS:Gregness

I have a hunch on someone, but I don't know if they're vigilante or SK and, again, it's only a hunch.

I'll roleclaim later if needed.

[Aldurin]

With a third death added to the mix, and Gregness roleblocked earlier. I can only assume that it was his doing.

While this is very possible, do keep in mind that N1's lack of a third kill could also be from hitting a bulletproof or two killers targeting the same person (both of these happened in my game). It's still pretty suspicious though.

FoS: Gregness

[Aldurin]

Actually, there'd have to be four potential kill roles originally if Oron was a Bomb, as that would leave three killers to do their thing last night. I just don't know what the fourth kill role would be. Still lends a lot more credit to the theory of Gregness being a killer that was roleblocked N1.

Vote: Gregness

[Ecks]

I'll disclose more information on my power later, once the others roleclaim, but I do have information that may or may not be helpful regarding Greg.

I discovered that he is carrying the Medigun.

If I'm guessing right on the 'condition' Sif alluded to earlier on what makes you town or scum, then I'm going to

FoS: Gregness.

Mind you, having the Medigun might make him the Doctor. Whether he's BLU or RED though remains to be seen.

EDIT: I'd also like to point out that it takes 5 to lynch, as we're down to 9.

[Revising Ocelot]

Yeah, as I was typing up the PMs and post earlier today I suddenly suffered from a serious attack of REAL LIFE HASSLING. Sorry for that.

5 to lynch, as Ecks said.

[BahamutFlare]

Unvote: Gregness

We still have a vig out there and I need to stop being hasty.

[Gregness]

*snip* ...the current evidence suggests that IC is scum (unless we're willing to believe that infected are town aligned).

Vote: Inbred Chocobo

*snip*

Inbred Chocobo, AKA The Jockey, BLU "Eeheeheeaaahaaaahagh!" Roleblocker

*snip*



What what the the fuck fuck? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LdQguGTBnZw&t=11s) Seriously RO?

Vote: Gregness

With a third death added to the mix, and Gregness roleblocked earlier. I can only assume that it was his doing.

As we've just learned from me, when you assume you make an ass of yourself.

I'll disclose more information on my power later, once the others roleclaim, but I do have information that may or may not be helpful regarding Greg.

I discovered that he is carrying the Medigun.

If I'm guessing right on the 'condition' Sif alluded to earlier on what makes you town or scum, then I'm going to

FoS: Gregness.

Mind you, having the Medigun might make him the Doctor. Whether he's BLU or RED though remains to be seen.

EDIT: I'd also like to point out that it takes 5 to lynch, as we're down to 9.

I really would rather that not have come to light since I'll have a gigantic target on my back now (not that I don't already I suppose), but I am Medic, BLU "The healing is not as rewarding as the hurting." Doctor.

I tried to save Oron N1, and for some reason I was convinced that the night was 48 hours and didn't get a PM in last night. :mad:

Also, this whole not getting alignment info from night deaths is seriously lame.

[Ecks]

Also, this whole not getting alignment info from night deaths is seriously lame.

Agreed.

I'm still not one hundred percent convinced that you're BLU. Scum has been known to have Doc roles before.

[Gregness]

Agreed.

I'm still not one hundred percent convinced that you're BLU. Scum has been known to have Doc roles before.

I dunno man I guess I don't really blame you. We have town aligned zombies, cats and dogs are living together, it's a fucking madhouse.

[Sifright]

Role claiming up in this shit myself.

Adventure Core, BLU "Happy Explosion Day, gorgeous." Mason

Okay I am masoned with Ecks. We as the mason group can choose one player per day and scan for either their equipment on their Class quote.

NOW then, I'm pretty certain that if you go by the flavor ALL the blu players are from outside of the TF2 universe, ERGO the reds are TF2 Characters.

Vote:RPGdemon

Something to keep in mind about him claiming correct formating, the very first fucking post contains the correct colour formating to roleclaim with and presumaby the role stuff was down formated the same way in PMS and only had to replace RED with BLU again the first post shows BLU vs RED with correct formating go check. The mafia would not have to work hard to claim in a valid format.

The win condition was the only thing we had that could truly prove if you were blue or not.

Only people I trust implicitly Ecks, Ryong and one other dude who we are masoned with. I can't remember if Aldurin is alive but if he is I semi trust his roleclaim

With that out the way I suggest lynching Rpgdemon to check the validity of the Red vs BLU flavor idea. I'm not for lynching gregness just this turns out to be wrong and tf2 characters ARE blu as well.. If TF2 characters are blu though I'm seriously wondering if this isn't a bastard game will be very very sad if it is.

Edit: To clarify Ryong isn't masoned with us, he gave the correct town victory condition

[Aldurin]

Unvote: Gregness

I would just prefer not to rush at a medic claim immediately. And the problem is that it's kinda impossible to verify since he was roleblocked N1 and didn't even get his action in N2, which may or may not be an excuse for no results. I will tentatively accept it though.

For Sif and Ecks: What was your other scan? It'd help to get more info on anything right now.

[Sifright]

I performed an class quote scan on Arhra, but was role blocked. Looking into why it happened I believe who ever is playing Glados roleblocked me.

edit: for thoughts, if i'm wrong about TF2 characters not being red, then it's possibly antagonists from each game universe, so surviver(you can play as both sides in L4D) for l4d, combine in half life 2. Glados/wheately in Portal 2 (Only thing is both characters side with the protagonist at some point So eurghhh)

Edit edit: but i'm 99% sure it's TF2 as red

[Sifright]

Unvote: Gregness

We still have a vig out there and I need to stop being hasty.

Role claim do it.

[rpgdemon]

I performed an class quote scan on Arhra, but was role blocked. Looking into why it happened I believe who ever is playing Glados roleblocked me.

edit: for thoughts, if i'm wrong about TF2 characters not being red, then it's possibly antagonists from each game universe, so surviver(you can play as both sides in L4D) for l4d, combine in half life 2. Glados/wheately in Portal 2 (Only thing is both characters side with the protagonist at some point So eurghhh)

Edit edit: but i'm 99% sure it's TF2 as red

I'm 100% sure it's not. I suppose it's time to elaborate on my Drunkard role. It's complicated, and probably designed so that explaining it neutralizes it for the day. I will try to be terse, and you will see why.

As in TF2, whenever a player dies, I can pick up their weapon. In this case, I can loot a dead player's corpse, and take their abilities.

Each time I post, I (The Demoman) take a drink. If the word count in each post is too high, it counts for multiple drinks. This is why all of my posts yesterday were very short, as I was not given a word count to stay below.

At the end of the day, if I am not too drunk, I am able to use one of the weapons I have picked up. If I do not, I will loot a dead player at random.

I looted Ahra, N1, who was the Sniper. I don't know his alignment. He was carrying the Bazaar Bargain. I don't know if I can post the exact description of it, but in short, it can't be used N1, and very slowly ramps up to kill two people, when it's fully charged.

N2, I used it on Geminex, because I didn't believe that there would be two players who were given word count limits, and because his role claim seemed fishy.

I am going to avoid posting for the rest of the day, unless I need to, to hopefully be able to act as an impromptu Vig.

[Aldurin]

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Whelp there goes any hope of counting kills to get anything useful.

[Sifright]

I'm 100% sure it's not. I suppose it's time to elaborate on my Drunkard role. It's complicated, and probably designed so that explaining it neutralizes it for the day. I will try to be terse, and you will see why.

As in TF2, whenever a player dies, I can pick up their weapon. In this case, I can loot a dead player's corpse, and take their abilities.

Each time I post, I (The Demoman) take a drink. If the word count in each post is too high, it counts for multiple drinks. This is why all of my posts yesterday were very short, as I was not given a word count to stay below.

At the end of the day, if I am not too drunk, I am able to use one of the weapons I have picked up. If I do not, I will loot a dead player at random.

I looted Ahra, N1, who was the Sniper. I don't know his alignment. He was carrying the Bazaar Bargain. I don't know if I can post the exact description of it, but in short, it can't be used N1, and very slowly ramps up to kill two people, when it's fully charged.

N2, I used it on Geminex, because I didn't believe that there would be two players who were given word count limits, and because his role claim seemed fishy.

I am going to avoid posting for the rest of the day, unless I need to, to hopefully be able to act as an impromptu Vig.

Nothing in that post helps to prove you are BLU, the fact you denying being red doesn't change anything any player would. Your role is one that is typically mafia orientated as well in that you can take items from corpses.

[Geminex]

Mmmmmmph!

[BahamutFlare]

I disagree with TF2 characters being the enemy because I'm

Scout, BLU "LOOK AT ME!" Lynchproof.

I'm kind of curious as to this: Maybe scum team decided to be bold and out themselves as masons. They are being completely honest with the idea and everything except for the alignment. In which case, Aldurin would be don being Wheatley? I'm still suspicious over Aldurin's claim most of all being vanilla.

If you vote ANY body to check the theory of TF2 must be evil, it has to be me. Then we can have Any town aligned killers hopefully ping the right people. It has to be me, because instead of minus one town which I believe to be the case. We'd be going into night with the same people.

I trust the TF2 people the most. Maybe there's a spy in which case, the main enemy of each Genre would be our best bet. Someone not RPG, is the Bazaar Bargain thingy a sniper weapon or a spy weapon? Cuz I'm surprised if there isn't a spy in this game with a pyro out there.

[Sifright]

*Snip*

as to this: Maybe scum team decided to be bold and out themselves as masons. They are being completely honest with the idea and everything except for the alignment. In which case, Aldurin would be don being Wheatley? I'm still suspicious over Aldurin's claim most of all being vanilla.

*snip*


Doesn't make sense thematically The three personality cores are used to corrupt wheatley so that he.... gets beaten by chell...

You know what..

Unvote:Rpgdemon

Vote:Aldurin

There is no way in hell Wheatley and the personality cores would work together...

[Sifright]

double post, You felt Gems role claim was fishy despite the fact that he specifically stated he checked IC and that IC targeted Greg. Which then Greg confirmed that he was blocked on the night in question and THEN on top of that IC got lynched proving to all of us that it was IC that role blocked Greg proving Gems role claim at least the function if not the alignment.

Yea..... Now i'm not sure who to vote.

[Ecks]

See the only problem with claiming masons as scum is its taking a huge risk, and doesn't serve any propose unless they are already suspected of being scum in the first place. Why out yourselves when you have zero attention on you in the first place?

I actually do agree with you on earl being vanilla, that doesnt seem likely in this kind of setting.

I'm going to

Vote: Aldurin for now.

[Aldurin]

Bazaar Bargain is a sniper weapon. I will note that I am not masoned with anyone, and am just as much in the dark as everyone else, if that's your concern Bahamut.

[Sifright]

okay, did any one else target and try to kill Geminex during the night? If no one did so then rpgdemon having killed a fellow Tf2 character would prove my theory wrong.

Things to note, killing me in the night phase would remove the ability to prove the other members of our mason cadre.

I Was the first person to confirm the win condition that Ryong posted.

[BahamutFlare]

But having absolutely little to no suspicion and claiming masons as scum could reap huge rewards. There would be little to no suspicion unless someone crazy AKA me brings up the biggest sneaky treachery that they can think of. I could see this plan going without a hitch and I can see it as blowing up big time. Maybe you don't involve all scum team, so you have a backup plan.

As town, we can assume that we are minus one scum. But that's it. Unless there is reason to suspect that another dead person was scum.

I believe RPG's claim bc why would you ever say "I killed someone that may or not have been BLU unless they were BLU." I'd keep that a secret unless called out on it.

BTW, we need 6 to lynch, not 5. We have 10 people alive unless I miscounted. I want to hear from all you nonactive people. And does Mason faction have any more powers?

[BahamutFlare]

Also why do we have a bodyguard and a doctor? Seems redundant unless one is scum. One is town. Since Masked Jedi was a Doctor.

FoS: Gregness

[Rhiya Ravenwing]

On the other side of the map near the spawn door, Fenris is also dead. Nobody really wants to get close to take a better look, but it seems he choked to death.


.... Why did Fenris post when he was dead? Please tell me that was just a cockup?

[Rhiya Ravenwing]

Derp. Misread on my phone. ignore my last comment :(

[Sifright]

So Aldurin, you have no night powers at all right?

Because my being roleblocked N1 seems to fit suspiciously well with either Wheatley or Glados being a roleblocker. Given we've lynch out the town roleblocker it sounds like a second one would be mafia...

[Aldurin]

Just noticed I misread my PM so I should probably reveal my actual role power right now. My Moron power isn't vanilla. I was told I would be given the identity of GLaDOS if I survived night 2, through incompetent investigation work (hence the delay) to find her due to Wheatley's inherent dislike and fear of her. I didn't think all that much of it, since I figured one of us would probably be dead by then anyway, if not both (so my roleclaim D2 actually was to kick things along, like I said then). I probably shouldn't have claimed vanilla and just said I had a power I wasn't going to reveal yet.

The results told me that Ryong is GLaDOS, member of the RED team.

Vote: Ryong

I really do feel dumb for not reading the PM correctly so this info would be out immediately. Sorry.

[Sifright]

Ryong, give us a roleclaim please.

edit: more inclined to believe Ryong is BLU at the moment, I think we might even be at mislynch and lose.

[Ryong]

Well then.

I am the Soldier, BLU "C'mere, cupcake!" Delusional. I am apparently a vanilla - because I'm only equipped with the Equalizer and thus can't do anything with it. I was expecting to get a power from it eventually - like, I guess, being a bomb at the very least - but when Oron turned out to be the bomb and I never got anything more I figured I'm just a vanilla. Unless I am a bomb who doesn't know about it because I'm delusional, fuck if I know.

[Sifright]

Just noticed I misread my PM so I should probably reveal my actual role power right now. My Moron power isn't vanilla. I was told I would be given the identity of GLaDOS if I survived night 2, through incompetent investigation work (hence the delay) to find her due to Wheatley's inherent dislike and fear of her. I didn't think all that much of it, since I figured one of us would probably be dead by then anyway, if not both (so my roleclaim D2 actually was to kick things along, like I said then). I probably shouldn't have claimed vanilla and just said I had a power I wasn't going to reveal yet.

The results told me that Ryong is GLaDOS, member of the RED team.

Vote: Ryong

I really do feel dumb for not reading the PM correctly so this info would be out immediately. Sorry.

Well then.

I am the Soldier, BLU "C'mere, cupcake!" Delusional. I am apparently a vanilla - because I'm only equipped with the Equalizer and thus can't do anything with it. I was expecting to get a power from it eventually - like, I guess, being a bomb at the very least - but when Oron turned out to be the bomb and I never got anything more I figured I'm just a vanilla. Unless I am a bomb who doesn't know about it because I'm delusional, fuck if I know.

HMMMM, on the one hand I don't know if I like the idea of a player claiming basically vanilla....

on the other hand why the hell would you conceal that information Aldurin, it smacks of desperation that you are bringing it out now, especially as it seems you can't investigate any one else, ergo you should give the info out straight away otherwise you would have risked dieing with out telling any one the identity of a player you 'know' to be red.


soooo, with Ryong naming the win condition earlier I'm going to have to stay on his side.

[Ryong]

Again, I'm delusional: maybe I have a power that I don't know that'll activate on my death or something.

Before I forget:

Vote:Aldurin

[Ecks]

In answer to bfs question, no, we have no other powers. All we can do is scan a person for either their equipment or quote.

Given the lack of information on our dead, I am seriously getting bastard game vibes. I will be so pissed if that is the case.

On to the recent roleclaims. I'm still highly suspicious of Earl, even more now that he admitted to lying in his original roleclaim. Ryong turning up "vanilla" is a little disconcerting, though ro might have a secret effect for Ryong's role.

I'm standing by my vote.

[BahamutFlare]

Ok. I'm going to put this out there. Mason group probably isn't scum. Although there may be a scum member in it like a traitor. Dunno. For now, assuming Blu since Aldurin/Ryong is scum.

Honestly, I'm going to go on my general assumption that everyone here are geniuses plotting the best plan in the world.

If Aldurin was scum, why would he pick Ryong as his target when there are plenty more people he thought was suspicious. I.E. Me, RPG, anyone else he FoS'ed. If he put one of those names out other than Ryong, how tempted would you be to vote?

D1, I thought Ryong was really suspicious, and who knows the help Ryong had, or spy work he had in order to guess the win condition. However, we still have plenty more people that need to roleclaim, so I'm not entirely sure who to vote. There are so many better lies than Ryong.

[Ecks]

It never occurred to me that there might be a traitor in the masons. Sif, do we out him or wait for him to roleclaim? His inactivity is actually alarming me now.

[Ryong]

BahamutFlare: I'm guessing he found the whole win condition deal suspicious and wanted to force a roleclaim.

Ecks: Don't think traitor's a common role outside of bastard games and this doesn't seem like a bastard game.

[Ecks]

Lack of information from night deaths seems to indicate otherwise... If this is "there is no RED team" I will murder ro through the internet.

[Rhiya Ravenwing]

The unrevealing of roles in night kills is highly suspicious. I don't know about any of you, but have you had experience in a game where the GO (in this case, RO), was actually the real killer and everybody was actually all townies?

Because I had a very hilarious game where that happened. It ended pretty badly for the townies (for obvious reason). Then again, this is another speculation.

Also, guys, let's not jump on Aldurin so fast right now. Remember, he plays Wheatley, and is, hence, an utter moron. His suspicions (if he has a night role where he is able to 'investigate') probably are complete bogus, since Ryong had confirmed(?) his BLU status D1. If he has investigative roles (I really don't know anymore, this is all too confusing), everybody he'd point his finger at in the night will show up as GLaDOS due to his overwhelming idiocy.

However, Wheatley has indeed survived N2. Was he given the role of GLaDOS? I don't know. Aldurin may be 'cunningly' hiding that new factor by feigning ignorance (as per the custom of Wheatley's characteristics of complete idiocy) to his original role?

[Ecks]

Link or at least name that game. I wanna read it.

In light of Rhiya's post (I never played portal 2) I am even more confident in my decision to vote Earl.

I will reserve an FoS: Ryong however.

[Geminex]

Remember, he plays Wheatley, and is, hence, an utter moron.
We know, but what does that have to do with him playing Wheatley?

[BahamutFlare]

I'm still suspicious of Gregness being a Doctor. Why would we have a doctor and a bodyguard on the same game? If they target each other, then we have an unstoppable mason group basically of 2.

I really think Gregness is a scum Doctor. Anybody else find this suspicious or can answer me the purpose it may have?

Vote: Gregness

[Rhiya Ravenwing]

Link or at least name that game. I wanna read it.

In light of Rhiya's post (I never played portal 2) I am even more confident in my decision to vote Earl.

I will reserve an FoS: Ryong however.

I can't actually link, due to the fact it was a RL game, lasted about 5 rounds (with all the townies pointing at everybody else as scum), and the asshole GO was just that - a complete asshole. However, I have to admit it was clever play on the GO part. He had everybody fooled until two townies remained who actually cottoned on to what was happening.

Initially, after IC was voted out and revealed to be BLU despite his mad, bizarre role (Seriously, Infected were supposed to be EEEVVIIIIIIL in my eyes!), I was about to finger point at Gregness and Geminex for being totally scum. But with how the game is panning out, I'm going crazy with confusion - especially since night kills don't seem to reveal roles.

Should I spoiler?
In Portal 2 Wheatley manages to usurp GLaDOS's control over the testing facility Aperture Sciences (turning it into Wheatley Sciences) with the help of the main chick character whose name I forgot (and don't have wiki open to the references). He then taunts and reduces GLaDOS into a potato-powered AI and tries to kill them - near the end, actually, but that's a given for all psychopathic killer AI. In Wheatley's case, he's a complete dumbass and still fails. During his powertrip as the AI controlling the entire Aperture Sciences facility, everything starts breaking down because, well, dumbass.

Between the time of GLaDOS's awakening and Wheatley's ascension, Wheatley is seen constantly trying to foil GLaDOS's plans as she tried to restore the facility and continue her testing.

After Wheatley's Ascension, it was revealled he didn't have the same 'inhibitions' as GLaDOS did when she tested (such as homicide, per se), and also got addicted to what seemed like a 'test and reward' system built into the facility's computers that made Wheatley euphoric after a successful test completion by a subject. Unfortunately, an 'immune system' was also built in, making Wheatley increasingly more resistant to the euphoria release after each test. While GLaDOS could resist the urge to test faster and harder because of her other programming restrictions, Wheatley couldn't.

Throughout the entire game (well, after GLaDOS crushes Wheatley after she's awakened), Wheatley is also shown to be sparking/increasingly malfunctioning.

In all seriousness though, I think RO might be playing us. With all these BLU roleclaiming it's doing my head in.

Especially with how all the characters aren't what we expected them to be (Ie: Inbred Chocobo being a BLU-aligned zombie when in the L4D2 game Jockeys are vicious hump-humiliating infected specifically working against survivors of the zombie apocalypse)

Otherwise, Aldurin's making my scum-detector (not my role, just my gut feeling) do all kinds of funny things.

1. Because he accused Ryong despite multiple supports against voting for him.

2. Because Wheatley is only sorry about his own fallacies after he gets sent to space.


~~~

Delayed inspection: I started writing this post 3 freaking hours ago. I would like to make pointy fingers at RO's intro post:

"Yes, he brought a cougar last time. Anyway, you know the drill. Let them fight amongst themselves until one side or another is dead, I don't care who. Both sides, ideally. You can even dress the... 'extras' up in some of the spare RED and BLU costumes, I'm sure they'll love that. Now, I need to redirect these launch codes to aim at Madagascar. We'll see who really 'shuts down everything' around here."

This might be completely moot fucking point, but it really looks like RO gave us a gigantic E-peen-sized hint about RED vs BLU? Something about that bolded, underlined sentence I'm pointing at looks a little off-kilter for me, especially if my speculations about the GO functioning as the real mafia or non-BLU might actually be true.

~~

Am I even allowed to respond to Gem's second deathpost?

[Aldurin]

on the other hand why the hell would you conceal that information Aldurin, it smacks of desperation that you are bringing it out now, especially as it seems you can't investigate any one else, ergo you should give the info out straight away otherwise you would have risked dieing with out telling any one the identity of a player you 'know' to be red.

As I already said, I'm a dumbass that misreads my PMs, hence why it came late. As for the false claim it was because I wanted to hide my power (not be as big of a target) while still wanting to claim because I felt like we needed a kickstart.

Also Gem earns all of the fuck yous.

[Ecks]

BF, we don't have any other powers. At all. Also, Earl is not mason #3. Nor is Greg.

I'm sorry Earl, if you have a power you dont want revealed, you simply say so. Lying about it makes you look really suspicious. If you are in fact that dumb I'm sorry for overestimating your mental faculties.

[Sifright]

BF, we don't have any other powers. At all. Also, Earl is not mason #3. Nor is Greg.

I'm sorry Earl, if you have a power you dont want revealed, you simply say so. Lying about it makes you look really suspicious. If you are in fact that dumb I'm sorry for overestimating your mental faculties.

Harsh as that comes across I have to agree with him, you don't lie about your powers as town you keep silent.

The only problem I can see is that He might be the equivalent of a insane cop, who only gets incorrect results.

Personally I doubt that though.

Largest FOS -- Gregness (for being a second medic type.)

[greed]

I'm going to role claim for two reasons everyone else is doing it so I should to prevent someone running a lynch on me when I'm absent for most the high activity time this is a real threat, and I have something to share.

I am Barney, BLU "Yeah, I'm gonna need me some privacy for this one!" Cop.. Basically I'm the PO and have the ability to read the colour, role but not the bonus gear of players.

My night 1 investigation was Sifright who turned up as a mason, so I can tell you at least he isn't a mason traitor.

Also my night 2 was Fenris but I apparently got interrupted by "the head humper" who I'm assuming is Kleiner's pet headcrab.

This leads me to think

1. Fenris was Kleiner and therefore likely BLU, the crab's guarding his body.
2.We can't search dead people
3. The crab was related to my role and it just randomly fucks with Barney like in the game.

[Rhiya Ravenwing]

.... Fuck...

What the FUCK.

Ok, something is seriously hilariously scummy. I just did the FASTEST headcheck to all the bloody roleclaims and this shit is not matching up

So, in lieu of this, I'm going to leave a big blinking target on my back for night kills and do the quickest bloody list-off, no quotations cuz screw that:

Roleclaimed and Alive:

Ecks - BLU Mason
Gregness - BLU Doctor
Sifright - BLU Mason
Greed - BLU Cop
Aldurin - BLU Moron - Can potentially turn into a RED?! How much can we trust this guy's speculations?
rpdgemon - BLU Drunkard
Ryong - BLU Equalizer
Bahamut - BLU Lynchproof

No Roleclaims but still alive:

Moogle
Rhiya

Dead (Role known when possible):

Arhra - SUSPECTED SNIPER/VIGILANTE WITH A RAMPING SNIPER RIFLE.
Oron
Mr Bookworm
Bard
Inbred Chocobo - BLU Roleblocker
Masked Jedi - BLU Bodyguard
Fenris - claim BLU Inventor
Geminex - Claim BLU Tracker


That's 12 out of 18 players already roleclaimed, including 2 confirmed roles eliminated. There are 10[/i] players still alive, 8 of whom has roleclaimed BLU, leaving 2 (me included) who are suspects and have not roleclaimed yet.

I'm not leaving out the possibility that the four unknown deaths may include the scum, but chances are if all of us are roleclaiming BLU and honestly think themselves BLU, the four uknown that have died may also roleclaim and believe they are BLU.

IF - and only IF my speculations point that way - and everybody genuinely believes they are BLU, then RO is pulling some hilarious shenanigans that we still yet do not know of.

However, the other likelihood is that some of these BLU claims are so scummy it's like wading through dry concrete.

Here are some of other pointers I will make. Hell, I will even colourcode some of this so it'll make it easier on the fucking eyes:


Greed is vouching Sifright's status as BLU MASON, and that Fenris was protected by head-crab power.
Greed is by proxy vouching that Fenris is indeed KLEINER. Whether or not he was actually BLU is still up to speculation, since the head crab interfered.
Sifright and Ecks both are vouching for each other's MASON status, which is backed up by Greed's investigations N1 on Sifright.
This in turn supports (but still very weakly) Ryong's claim of BLU DELUSIONED (whatever the fuck that means), since they vouch for Ryong's claim of his win condition. It also supports Sifright's BLU status due to his instant back off from D1 vote, after IC's initial accusation. (Something about this bit doesn't seem quite right.)


Geminex (deceased, who cares, relevant info, <3'd your role, seriously) vouched [B]IC of having a night role by showing (through elaborate interpretive dance) that yes, IC was indeed ROLEBLOCKER preventing Gregness from performing his night role. Geminex's claim was backed up by Gregness. Both their claims were CONFIRMED with a bit of "wtf" factor when we all lynched IC, revealling he was also BLU.


Gregness claims to have attempted to use his role as DOCTOR on Oron in the first night, which sounds a little suspicious. However, since Gregness was ROLEBLOCKED N1, we'll never know if this claim is true or not. This is a bit more scum-sounding. However, I'm under the assumption that the Role of Doctor is they choose someone to 'heal' or 'protect' in one night, but they don't know who it is? If this was the case, what are the coincidental chances of attempting to heal Oron N1 if Gregness didn't know Oron is about to die?


RPGdemon's claim of drunkard and role ties in with Geminex's 'headshot' death, but he's still not out of the woods yet. However, he also claims looting Arhra N1, and the extra description of the gun sounds very plausible that Arhra may actually be the TF2 sniper (unconfirmed Team though). rpgdemon's character is probably drunk off his ass after that massive post he made about shooting Geminex.


Moogle has not been SAXTON-HALED out of the game yet, despite contributing nothing to D2. Speculations are that he's still active and potentially has a night role.


Who the hell is ISAAC(mentioned in RO's intro post)???

With the way I placed that listing, there is Two major 'groups' essentially vouching for one another (in Gem's case, it's more skeptical that's a 'group'), which, unfortunately, look like it can be 'linked' with IC's BLU status and Sifright's activity.

Before people go ahead and start saying "RHIYA YOU'RE TOTALLY SCUM FOR POINTING THIS SHIT OUT AND USING REVERSE PSYCHOLOGY AND SUMSUCH SINCE YOU STILL HAVEN'T ROLECLAIMED", I'd like to point out that my Roleclaiming will probably be moot point, and will do jack shit all to contribute to all this mess. I won't fall back to the "it's my first time playing" excuse either because, well, it's not. At least, it's my second time being involved in a forum game, but I know the game well from playing with RL mates. One of whom is an asshole and has pulled this kind of "GO is the true mafia mwahaha" shit before (onoz, I have reverted to meta!)

Which now leads me to the speculation - if all these conjoining correlations are such, how can we tell who's truly scum if everybody can vouch for almost everybody else?

My Conclusion:

FOS: Revolving Ocelot
FOS: Isaac
FOS: Rhiya
FOS: Moogle
FOS: rpgdemon

Also: fuck you guys you don't need to know my role.

[Sifright]

Im going to role claim for moogle as it's abundantly obvious he is the our third mason member. and he is the Fact core. Ecks will vouch for him as well.

Rihya, if you are blue you should have the same win condition.... The fact that you don't think Ryongs win condition is any proof of him being blue is kind of odd to say the least.

Edit: woooo pretty colours.

[Rhiya Ravenwing]

I didn't say that. I say Ryong's statement of win condition is supported by you guys.

[Sifright]

I see one group of five players.. Myself, Ryong, Moogle, Ecks and Greed. and greed and Ryong are loosely in this group you've proposed the other player have no corroborating claims that are really credible except for Rpgdemon, if he indeed is the one that killed Gem.

So i'm working on the assumption the first five are all town, and that RPG might be town as well.

That leaves us with

Bahamut, Gregness Rihya and Aldurin as my potential red list.

[Rhiya Ravenwing]

And yes, I will say that his win condition claim is the same as mine, but would you believe that after all the facts and correlation I painstakingly drew?

[Rhiya Ravenwing]

If Bahamut really claims Lynchproof, that leaves 2 nights before rpgdemon can kill Bahamut. However, rpg can die before then by whoever suffocated Fenris, or whoever stabbed Bard.

[Sifright]

Isaac is Doctor Kleiner

[Sifright]

Rhiya Can you confirm or deny if you are the Spy.

[Rhiya Ravenwing]

UN-FOS: Isaac

I'd like to admit Gregness has the least amount of backing of good-doing among all the current roleclaims. Again, we can't do much if Bahamut is really lynchproof.

If Moogle is a Mason, then that just leaves me without a roleclaim. Aldurin right now is playing really incompetently, and I don't meta enough to know if that's suspicious or not, or he's actually being forced to play like an idiot.

All these speculations are based off me knowing what alignment I am, what role I have, and then everybody else's claims.

Either someone is lying really REALLY well, or RO is playing us! That's my speculations.

[Sifright]

UN-FOS: Isaac

I'd like to admit Gregness has the least amount of backing of good-doing among all the current roleclaims. Again, we can't do much if Bahamut is really lynchproof.

If Moogle is a Mason, then that just leaves me without a roleclaim. Aldurin right now is playing really incompetently, and I don't meta enough to know if that's suspicious or not, or he's actually being forced to play like an idiot.

All these speculations are based off me knowing what alignment I am, what role I have, and then everybody else's claims.

Either someone is lying really REALLY well, or RO is playing us! That's my speculations.

every one has role claimed the fact that you haven't is the most suspicious part of all this, your earlier post was very useful for town I can't deny that but not posting your role is really hurting your credibility in my eyes.

[Rhiya Ravenwing]

How is it hurting my credibility? There were 3 deaths in one night. One was claimed by rpgdemon, another was a backstabbing and the third was suffocation.

For all Aesthetics purposes I could be either the one who choked Fenris to death (since he was Dr Kleiner, and a confirmed role easily targetted by the Mafia), or the one who stabbed Bard (who was unconfirmed, and had earlier informed RO he wasn't going to be able to play).

Take your pick. With the information I presented to you above, which one do you think I am?

[Sifright]

I'm just going to say that I think Bahamut may be the 'spy' currently pretending to be the scout there is an item in TF2 that lets you fake your own death when you are attacked which the spy gets I'm certain that is the item he has. A double lynch on him would finish the job. HE suggested a lynch on him now because it would lead to a win for the Red team, IT would presumably show up as him being lynched as the blue scout and then he would hope for the town vigilantes to kill me, whilst red shoot some one else leading to two blue deaths in the night....

Edit: The credibility thing is about you being town, not the credibility of your content.

[Rhiya Ravenwing]

... so far from TF2 we have (kind of confirmed)
A scout (if Bahamut really is a scout)
A Pyro
A Sniper (Arhra? Maybe?)
A Soldier
A Demoman

That leaves unclaimed:
Engineer
Spy
Heavy

The reason why I refuse to comply with a roleclaim is because if there has been single roleclaims of TF2 classes, maybe I am seeing a pattern here, or I am actually one of the unclaimed roles, and Bahamut is actually what he claims he is.

Again, I am basing all my speculations on roleclaims, vouches, etc, as well as my own Valve character and alignment.

[Rhiya Ravenwing]

I don't need to justify my credibility of being town. I am shooting myself in the foot for presenting an argument like this if I am RED.

[Sifright]

Hmmm..... Who ever Stabbed bard was a spy... So i have to wonder if there are a bunch of people with more than one power. Arguably the masons could all be said to have three powers each.

WE can talk to each other, We knew each others alignments, and we have a scanning power.

Fenris claimed Isaac Kleiner with a lot of separate powers as well...

Rpgdemons Claim comes with a lot of powers due to the ability to pick up random items.

So five people with multiple powers assuming all of us are telling the truth, Any one else out there with multiple powers?

[Rhiya Ravenwing]

Blugh. Alright, alright. It's late, and I had to read over my inane ramblings and ravings to figure out this: If Moogle is the third Mason, and BLU, then I will come forward and roleclaim Spy, BLU "Oh dear, I've made quite a mess." Vigilante.

Fuck you. Now we're ALL BLU, and what does that amount to?

[Rhiya Ravenwing]

I backstabbed Bard on the basis I had no information on him save for a few comments strewn here and there, and the fact that he was going to be redundant soon anyway.

I have no idea who could've suffocated Fenris, damnit.

[Rhiya Ravenwing]

Triplepost: And I was the holdup on N1 when RO called overtime, because I wasn't at my computer in 2 days.

[Sifright]

So my list of Suspicion from most to least based on how they've played not ignoring claims and thematic inconsistancies

Gregness (being a potential medic makes killing him risky but honest the fact that We had a bodyguard already is reason enough to warrant killing him with nothing proving his claim)

Bahamut ( Claim lynch proof and daring us into lynching him to test my TF2 character theory, only a good move if he truly believes that will expose all the red players, other wise town essentially waste a lynch in good faith and end up giving the red team a free night to kill)

Aldurin (claiming Wheatley, lieing about being Vanilla now claiming Ryong is Red when we have good reason to believe he is blue.)

Tentative Rhiya.

[Ryong]

FoS: Gregness
Think he's a mafia doctor.

FoS: rpgdemon
This seems like a mafia role and if I'm right then mafia'll have 3 kills per night very soon.

so

Unvote:Aldurin
Vote:rpgdemon

FoS:Aldurin
accusing me of being mafia while playing against town? Weird, no?

[Rhiya Ravenwing]

By all means FOS me. You don't know my gameplay, nor have you actually seen me play mafia before. I'm almost like a wildcard in this fashion. But whatever facts I placed above can be cross-examined by every one of you and with your claim of Moogle being also Mason, as well as my roleclaim... well, you guys can decide what the hell's going on. In fact, the last few sections in this post alone will probably give everybody every reason to set their votes on me.

To be honest, Ryong's statement can also be bogus. If you say Aldurin is claiming Vanilla Wheatley, and Ryong's power appears to be either unknown even to him or just plain vanilla, then both of them are suspects. If that's the case, you (Sif), Ecks, Greed and Moogle might also be suspects.

The only reason why I'm not pointing fingers at your guys' claims as the Masons and Greed for scum play is because Greed's comments about Fenris and the headcrab. If it wasn't almost midnight now and me having had a long day, I'd probably go back and do a crapton of post hunting. Whichever way I see it, your stories fit together too perfectly, like it was orchestrated or something. Again, potential scum activity? However, if you guys are truly in cahoots with each other as mafia (with extra powers), I say we're pretty fucked anyway. Before N2 I was quite happy wanting to shiv the life out of you (though now I come to think of it, a knife vs a robot probably means I'd fail my attempt), Sifright, until IC got role-reveal-lynched. Then I changed my mind and went after Bard because you give a lot more information than he would've in regards to scumminess the next day.

What I still don't get is why rpgdemon killed Geminex at night, despite his roleclaim being supported by IC's lynch and Gregness' night activities. He literally went "THOSE TWO! ONE OF THEM IS SCUM!", and granted we lynched the wrong one, but his power was still useful! With him out of the game, we can paint less of a confirmed picture about who interacts with who at night.

With Gregness' claim, I can't trust him either. Then again, both nights he's been ineffective (or has he???) in his role, whether it was due to absence or just simply being roleblocked as was confirmed with IC's N1 activity.

Incidentally, we have two supposed roleclaimed Town-Aligned killing roles right now. There is still a third we need to worry about who is killing off all the supposedly strongly-supported roles. N1, somebody got flamed the shit out of. N2 somebody got suffocated (potentially garotted? It's another SPY weapon that can be found last I remember)

The potential Greed + mason claim being bogus worries me incredibly, and I will put my skinny little french neck out on the chopping block to suggest a potentially scum-alert-inducing Role-Revealing Lynch, especially on one of the masons.

Before everybody votes for me, let me present my reasoning thus far:
Everybody is claiming they're BLU.
Night kills do not reveal roles or alignment. Day-lynches DO.
The single lynch we've had (as well as an IDLER) were both BLU.
The masons and Greed are the best tied-in with their alibis.
Lynching one of the Masons (it's a HORRIBLE idea, but damnit someone has to propose it) will confirm their status, giving them greater power to sway the vote next day, and also will stop me from trying to kill you guys at night and turn my attention towards more suitable targets.
Lynching me for even thinking about this will reveal that, yes, I am BLU, and my proposals may therefore weigh more heavily in the next day's decisions. However, you will also get one less Town-aligned kill role, and the more I think about it, the more I don't fucking trust rpgdemon or Gregness at this time with their roleclaim.
Lynching somebody non-mason, not Greed and not me, which may reveal another BLU will result in me probably trying to carry out what I was going to do N2 (ie: target Sif, one of the masons, or Greed out of sheer suspicions that they are elaborately orchestrating a master plan). If I'm intercepted by Gregness, woopity-freaking-doo for you guys (also Either Greed or I may die tonight if our roleclaims are true, whether it's by the hands of the Mafia, or even rpgdemon)


The list of reasons why this is such a horrible and risky and never-played-before idea is MASSIVELY OBVIOUS. Here's some worst-case-scenario pointers (I'm not going to list them all. You guys can probably come up with countless more):

For one, why the hell should you guys trust my proposal, on this, especially if you now know I claim to have a killing role? I've even named my targets! Plus I've been mostly unhelpful in my comments from D1 until today. Whether it's out of the sheer "I'm just laying low" excuse, or whatever, I'm scummy even by proposing this reasoning.
Hitting a mason for a role-reveal daylynch may tip the scales during night. Since the supposed mafia have one less target to deal with, it will be easier getting rid of the more exposed remaining mason or even the Police.
Remember, there are three potential killing roles that seem to be still active. If I am not who I claim myself to be, and am risking all my gameplay on this 'gamble', then potentially two killing roles will be able to take out at least two Masons at night, leaving 1 to attempt to sway the vote next day (not expecting help from the 'vig' or the other killer) versus a potentially less trusting crowd of players (essentially, 1 confirmed town - either a mason or Greed - out of 6, 0 out of 6 if rpgdemon's actually scum and his sniper rifle goes off as well). My math is terrible in the middle of the night, so I have no idea if I counted correctly there... EITHER WAY, MY MATH SAYS IT'S BAD.
If what I said above is true, there will be potentially 2 out of 6 voting against the last Mason/Greed (or 3 out of 6 voting against BLU, and that means BLU loses.)
It's a really, really, REALLY bad idea to begin with I'm acknowledging this. Seriously, why do all the terrible ideas occur when I'm really tired? You can probably scrap this idea. It's terrible.
You can probably get away with lynching me and investigating others at night. The risk in trusting a BLU-aligned SPY is too great.


... Please tell me I am making some sense here (it's 1:30am now and brain is goop). Now how much gut feeling does everybody have in regards to my scumminess, or am I presenting an actually plausible argument/vote suggestion here? I'm not sure if I make much sense while sleep-deprived...

[Moogle0119]

Thank you Sif and Ecks, yes I am the 3rd mason as they've pointed out. My low activity is two fold

1. I've been without a computer for over a week now and can really only check the thread o the my phone (posting from my phone like this is a gigantic pain) and...
2. I've also been getting bastard mafia vibes from this game since Night 1 yielded no results on the dead players. Not being able to gather any information from the deaths hurts using any sort of reasoning or logic in determining who to lynch next.

My guess is we're all BLU and I got tricked into wasting my time playing another ridiculous bastard game or the scum team have been given a safe list to roleclaim from (much like I did in the Batman mafia game I ran).

[Rhiya Ravenwing]

Scum accusations will be read in about 7-8 hours' time. I'm to bed.

[Rhiya Ravenwing]

Thank you Sif and Ecks, yes I am the 3rd mason as they've pointed out. My low activity is two fold

1. I've been without a computer for over a week now and can really only check the thread o the my phone (posting from my phone like this is a gigantic pain) and...
2. I've also been getting bastard mafia vibes from this game since Night 1 yielded no results on the dead players. Not being able to gather any information from the deaths hurts using any sort of reasoning or logic in determining who to lynch next.

My guess is we're all BLU and I got tricked into wasting my time playing another ridiculous bastard game or the scum team have been given a safe list to roleclaim from (much like I did in the Batman mafia game I ran).


Yay someone that has been getting the same vibe as I have been getting.

Also, yes safe list plausible as well.

[BahamutFlare]

Sifright, I was saying I trusted RPG's claim, so instead of voting him and seeing him turn up BLU, I'd rather you vote me and we'd not be down 1 townie. You can lynch me today, tomorrow, the next day, I'm not 1 shot. If I was scum, the only way to kill me is a Vig. And if the Vig/Vigs are dead, then I'm immortal, scum auto wins. Also, can't be spy now since someone roleclaimed it.

What we know now, Rhiya killed 1 person last night. RPG killed one person last night. Someone else killed one person last night. This means that it can't be a bastard game.

I think the highest chance of having a stable outcome is this.
Lynch Gregness today. Greed should investigate Ryong. Mason Group should investigate Aldurin. This way, the next day should be pretty clear cut. RPG shouldn't have a kill tomorrow because he said his weapon needs to charge. Not sure who Vig should target.

[Revising Ocelot]

Ok, if one more person accuses this of being a bastard game I'll just end it right here and now. Everybody thinks the game is shit, so why should I continue running it? I am fucking fed up of everybody private messaging me in AJAX chat how they're going to "have words" and "be so angry" because of jumping to conclusions.

[Fenris]

It's not that uncommon for games to have roles concealed upon death at night; you all are spoiled ninnies.

Stop harrassing RO about this and make an effort to have fun instead of jumping straight to the bitching about it phase.

[Gregness]

Yeah, seriously guys I'm as frustrated as the rest of you with the general lack of information in this game but I haven't been getting bastard vibes from it.

For the record, Fenris' MLP mafia game didn't reveal role information from night kills either and that game was pretty well received.

[Ecks]

I'm gonna go with bahamut's plan for now.

Unvote: Aldurin
Vote: Gregness

Its risky, but we have to make some progress here. Also guaranteeing one of us masons is getting sloted tonight :/

[BahamutFlare]

I did find a hitch in the plan though. You guys can only check the quote. Which it seems to me that I believe that all the roleclaims are legit except for the color. People may not be lying about the quote itself. Although there is a chance that people are lying. Oh but you can analyze items they have too, so that may indeed work.

It's not a 100% chance that masons will lose a member either. With these roleclaims of Vig, PO, half-Vig and night stories to back up their actions. (Other than PO. No night stories, but if true, could be much worse than any actual threat.)

Also, The only thing that worries me about Shyria is that I can't help that thinking SK rather than Vig. This just leads to WIFOM of whether or not Sniper or Spy would be a SK and Half Vig.

[Sifright]

I actually think Ryongs plan is the most sound, town guys dont exactly loot corpses but it's def a mafia thing.

Unvote:Aldurin

Vote:Rpgdemon

[Ecks]

Now that I've had a little more time to think about it, i'd rather risk a pseudo-vig than a possible doc. Though I'm still leaving an FoS: Gregness out there.

Unvote: Gregness
Vote: rpgdemon

[Sifright]

Now that I've had a little more time to think about it, i'd rather risk a pseudo-vig than a possible doc. Though I'm still leaving an FoS: Gregness out there.

Unvote: Gregness
Vote: rpgdemon

Honestly, I'm pretty sure Gregness is mafia. The problem is Rpgdemon being mafia is a distinct possibility and the risk of him having two kills a night makes it

[Ecks]

Makes it... What?

I'm not forgetting about greg. He is still high on my suspect list.

[Sifright]

Dangerous. Even if he was town and i'm pretty damn sure he isn't, that power shooting into the dark would hurt town tremendously. given the night stuff the possibility of mafia having 2+ night killers remaining, systematically lynching the night kills out sounds like it might the best option. I'd hope to use greeds power to actually draw a proper bead on some reds but thats looking unlikely as he will probably be killed. :(

[Moogle0119]

Following suit with my mason partners.

Vote: rpgdemon

[Rhiya Ravenwing]

To RO: I'm sorry my accusations made everybody go up in arms about a potential bastard game. It's just I've had experience about it before this game and yes, it was a little fun while it lasted, but it was also a really big dick move the GO pulled. Thank you for clarifying, despite however negative it was.

I have a feeling that scum is still pulling our legs in terms of swaying the vote. My sole reason is that they look like there is a particularly core group right now, all their alibis tie in with each other, and right after N2 end Sifright calls for a rolecall, which I thought was uncessesary because, well, everybody roleclaimed BLU.

But eh, whatever. I'll wait until the lynch happens to decide who I vig.

Vote: rpgdemon

[BahamutFlare]

Why go after a pseudo Vig because of that? We already found out roleblocker was town. If you think someone is a higher chance of scum, let's go for the higher chance of scum first. RPG doesn't have any kill power tonight. Therefore, if he kills, we know he's lying and scum.

Does this seem logical?

[Rhiya Ravenwing]

Bahamut, rpg killed Gem - who had a stronger support in regards to his tracker ability when he pointed out IC's night role interacting with gregness.

What does rpg have backing him? The fact that yes he picked up a weapon that gives him a killing role, and that he has to be extremely terse with his posts otherwise he does nothing at night.

[BahamutFlare]

If he has a killing role, then that doesn't mean scum. There's RPG killing. There's you killing. And there's a Red team killing that's a group. I just feel that Gregness is probably 90% scum and coul. RPG, I'm probably closer to 40%. I go for the people I think are more suspicious. And you'd be at 75%. I just prefer to go after who is most suspicious than maybe suspicious.

I'm more suspicious of a role that can kill everyday and is spy rather than a vig that kills once every two days. There's also the fact that if RPG kills tonight, then we know 100% he is scum. If he is telling the truth, he can't do anything tonight. And we are safe. This part says even if RPG is scum, go after someone else tonight at least.

Actually mason group, check Ryong. If his quote is something Glados like than you know that he is lying. If it's truth, than Aldurin is lying. Not sure what I said before. We don't even need Greed than. Greed can check whoever.

[Aldurin]

. . . I'm rather annoyed that my information is being more or less disregarded for a hunch. But giving someone the ability to kill two people is extremely dangerous regardless of alignment, so I'll fall in and put down rpg.

Unvote: Ryong
Vote: rpgdemon

[Revising Ocelot]

That's 5 votes on rpgdemon!


The gaggle of misfits notice that someone has been hanging at the back, away from everyone else. Furthermore, he seems to be mingling with the Terrorists, who are taking a break from their constant bunny-hopping to brag about their l33t sniper rifle skills. Jealousy and envy of the phat weapons runs high, and it is decided that rpgdemon must be brought down to size!

Wasting no time, the group throws rpgdemon at the Counter-Terrorists, who are still busy bunny hopping around the rest of the map. Upon seeing an obvious Terrorist they all promptly open fire, but rpgdemon starts... having spasms? Teleporting? Aw hell, that bullet DEFINITELY went through him. But he remains unharmed! Must be...




Warning: Connection problem. Auto-disconnect in 10 seconds.

Yep. Bad case of LAG.



Day 3 is over and the lynch has failed! The server is now loading arena_sawmill.

[Revising Ocelot]

http://wiki.teamfortress.com/w/images/thumb/7/78/ARENA_Sawmill_Center_Shed.jpg/800px-ARENA_Sawmill_Center_Shed.jpg

The server wises up that it should be running TF2 maps, and not CS:S maps. Mixing things up with a rarely played arena server, the torrential rain and buzzing of rotary saws inspires a stunning case of lethargy.

But not for all...

It is Night 3! Those of you with night roles, PM me with your actions in the next 24 hours.

[Revising Ocelot]

As per usual for Sawmill, the sawblades bug out and go invisible, lulling the two teams into a false sense of security and almost standing right in their path.

Decorating one of the basketball hoops, Aldurin is found dangling with a bullet hole right through his head.

In the other hoop, rpgdemon is also found with a slightly different, but no less effective void in his own head.

Finally, greed seems to have been torn in half by one of the saws, but his two halves both look like they choked to death before he had time to split.


Night 3 is over! The server is changing map to cp_foundry. (don't post yet)

[Revising Ocelot]

http://wiki.teamfortress.com/w/images/thumb/a/a4/Cp_foundry_blu_final.png/800px-Cp_foundry_blu_final.png

Day 4 begins! The map is now cp_foundry for approximately 72 hours. (you may post!)

It takes 4 votes to lynch.

[Ecks]

Holy fucking shit.

My scan resulted in a random failure last night (thanks RO :P).

So I have fucking nothing.

I am no longer giving Ryong the benefit of the doubt. I am only trusting Sif and Moogle from here on out.

Rhiya, who did you kill last night and why? Since you are the Vig (or so you claim) you will not have a problem with discussing this?

For that matter, everyone that claimed a night role, speak up.

[BahamutFlare]

I told you guys there were worse people for scum to deal with. Mason group is 100% safe. Also, why did the lynch fail? Does everyone have 1 shot lynchproof powers (Which is all anyone really needs usually.)? Wtf. My role seems vanilla now.

Vote: Gregness

Back to basics. Also to RO: Your pic didn't upload.

[Ecks]

Yeah I'm not sure why the lynch failed either. He died either way, but I don't know if that was Rhiya's doing or not so I can't figure out if it was a scum/SK kill or not.

I'm gonna have to second Greg here, I feel like we wasted a lynch yesterday. And I want to hugely FoS: Ryong here, I don't think Earl getting killed last night and my scan failure are a coincidence.

Vote: Gregness

[Rhiya Ravenwing]

A MASSIVE FOS: Bahamut. There can't be two lynch-proof players in one game. He stinks real strong of scum. He might, however, be bullet-proof (if that's what the night-equivalent is called), and a vigilante target would've been useless.

I'm going to come forward and declare that I have two murder weapons as the vig: the Butterfly knife and the Revolver, as befitting the spy custom. I shot RPGdemon last night with my Revolver on account he didn't reveal his unlynchable status, hence wasting a precious vote on him. That speaks a crapton of scum.

Since Fenris declared he was able to stop a lynch, it was implausible rpgdemon had that ability either.

The fact that the game hasn't ended is good, meaning the the night roles have actually been taking out some scum as we bumble along (unless I got the ratio of scum vs town wrong. Is 4-5 scum unusual in a game of 18 players?). Either way, we know we have 1-3 scum(s) still lurking around.

Greed's death... can mean two things:

1. The mafia can murder one of their own to look better to townies for vote-swaying, especially when Greed's vouched for one of them (I'm looking at you, Masons)

2. He was telling the truth, and we should (suggested, at least) all mindlessly follow the voting patterns set out by the confirmed masons.

Option one is highly unlikely, mainly because if Greed was in cahoots with the masons as scum, they'd have won the game now, especially if Greed was alive with majority votes (4/7).....

We don't know the number of remaining scum (thanks to the cunning ploys of RO for making people think rather than calculate by blocking night kill role reveals), but it has to be 3 or less at this point.

To that conclusion, I have to say: Sifright! Ecks! Moogle! Who did you guys investigate/research last night?

[Ecks]

I scanned Ryong last night, and got what RO called a random failure. Am I allowed to post the scan result pm, RO?

EDIT: I would like to point out that we are only allowed one scan per night. And as we mentioned previously, it can be for the class quote OR the equipment, not both. I asked for class quote.

[Rhiya Ravenwing]

Fuuu I took too long on my post and got ninja'd haha.

Well if your scans didn't reveal anything, I'm accusing Bahamut of being scummy, for the above reasons.

The reason why I ended up not shooting one of you guys was because I was taking a very risky blind gamble as Vig, see above post.

[Rhiya Ravenwing]

ugh... I keep getting delay posted >.<

Thanks for clarifying, sorry.

If the scans on Ryong came up as a failure, it could be his item (what DOES the equalizer do in TF2 game?)

[Ecks]

I'm a little leery of attempting to vote a claimed lynchproof, on account of the lynch failure yesterday. And thank you very much for not shooting one of us last night. I was hesitant to reveal this yesterday because I didn't want to tip our hand, but in light of the fact that none of us were told that our scans could randomly fail I guess it doesn't really matter. Our likelihood of getting a garbage scan result increases when one of the members of our group dies.

Seriously RO next time you include a chance for a scan result to fail please warn the players you give the power to. I am not amused.

EDIT: I'd like to theorize that the SK is the one choking people. Since Rhiya revealed her equipment, we know who was stabbing and who's been doing some of the shooting. I think the scum have a gun as well (or that was rpg using his weapon before getting killed himself). Not too sure what else I have at this point. But there's that for you.

[BahamutFlare]

Rhiya: RPG, Fenris were both lynchproof one shot. But it seemed they had other powers in addition meaning that it was 1 shot. So this makes it 3 for this game. I almost wonder if RPG picked up Fenris's shotgun and used it himself. Although since it was 1 shot, it'd suck if it reusable 1 shot.

Also your 1 and 2 ideas are horrible. A PO is awful to have around as scum and is usually the first to go.

I assume that the ability of whoever Ecks checked out is scum. BC I'm betting the equalizer somehow actually means scanproof. Or you were roleblocked.

Gregness, if you were town, you would've protected Greed. I can only assume you're 100% scum now.

[Ecks]

Yes I'm double posting :P

I was dumb and misread my role pm, apparently the chances of getting a garbage result were always there, they just increase as mason members get wasted.

EDIT: Also guys, stop fucking talking about mafia in AJAX. RO feels he has to pm people about clarifications now because you fuckers keep bitching him out in chat. Knock it the fuck off or they're going to shut mafia down again.

[Gregness]

I tried to ubercharge Sifright last night and got a failure as well. I was told that I was so leery from a night of humping (courtesy of IC) that I didn't notice a wall spring up and knock me unconscious for the rest of the night. Obviously SOMEONE got night actions through, but are we just fucking swimming in roleblockers or something?

PS: don't lynch the doc, dumbasses.

PPS: seriously, what scumtells are you guys getting? Let's hear some concrete accusations.

[BahamutFlare]

Why would you even target Sifright Gregness? For playing the game so well, the PO is a better choice to target than a mason guy. Especially since scum can target any mason member, but we have only 1 PO. You're better than that.

Ok maybe Ryong isn't scanproof than.

[Ecks]

I'm actually going to switch to Ryong for now, I really don't like how Earl accused him of being GLaDOS and then wound up dead last night. He could have lied on his win condition for all we know...

Unvote: Gregness
Vote: Ryong

[BahamutFlare]

I'm actually going to switch to Ryong for now, I really don't like how Earl accused him of being GLaDOS and then wound up dead last night. He could have lied on his win condition for all we know...

Unvote: Gregness
Vote: Ryong

As far as we know, it could be WIFOM too. It may be a frame job. Not that I trust Ryong. But I think Greg is 100% scum. Ryong is 90%.

[BahamutFlare]

Nah you know what? Either Mason has a traitor, or Ryong is 100% scum, or Rhiya is scum and can kill and roleblock or whatever.

Rhiya, what's the difference between the butterfly knife and revolver when you kill someone? Anything?

[Rhiya Ravenwing]

Bahamut - all I'm saying is one-shot lynch-proof or not, RPG didn't declare his, despite 'declaring' the rest of his drunkard role. Not only that, but he elaborated extensively on his drunkard role, none of which included his lynch-proof status. When our lynch failed, that spoke volumes of scum to me, which was why I offed him at night as opposed to my original plan (offing one of the masons). Fenris did, albeit the next day since he wasn't awake to defend himself D1.

Let's look at it this way:
D1: No lynch (Fenris)
N1: 2 night kills. (I was unable to PM my target)
D2: IC, Masked (BLU, BLU)
N2: 3 night kills (I finally got my shit together)
D3: No lynch (rpgdemon)
N3: 3 night kills

A third lynchproof player is a little too much, no? We've gone almost nowhere in day-lynches.

What ideas? I was listing my own thoughts.
THEORY 1: Greed was actually scum and now that he's 'confirmed' one of the other scum (ie: sifright) to be a mason, which in turn means that sifright can list his companions as masons too. There was only 10 people left D3. If he could confirm 3, that's a hefty amount of votes that can be directed anywhere. Plus they'd have the trust of Ryong, and a bunch of others. Even losing one of themselves to a potential SK still lurking about wouldn't bother them much.

THEORY 2: was that Greed was telling the truth and that Ecks, Sifright and Moogle are our solid chances to winning as town.

Yeah people need to stop complaining now. I done-fucked up in my theories D3, since half of it's already gone out the window with the recent new information.

I'm really really not sure about gregness. The only information we have is from IC, telling us he got roleblocked.

Who I am suspicious of is the person who's also claiming lynchproof, and that's you, Bahamut.

delayed post reply:
The difference is I shoot them instead of stab them in the back. Also, I'm naturally assuming RO cunningly gave me two weapons because one won't work on one type of characters (ie: I'm pretty certain he'll go "You can't stab a machine!" if I did attempt to off one of the personality cores), but the other will, so I will also have a possibility of getting a no-kill.

[Rhiya Ravenwing]

Err, not IC, more like IC roleblocked Gregness.

And, what, if there's a second roleblocker that's not me. I kill people.


Intimately.

[Ryong]

First up:

I'm with Rhiya here on Bahamut's lynchproof claim, now that we had rpgdemon also do it.

So, I'm assuming Aldurin - Wheatley - killed greed, then rpgdemon killed Aldurin and then Rhiya killed rpgdemon. The last part is 100% confirmed, I don't think Aldurin wanted a scan on him and rpgdemon just went and killed whoever he had a hunch on.

Thematically, masons don't seem to be aligned with Wheatley, so I wouldn't count on them being mafia.

So...

FoS:BahamutFlare - two lynchproofs in a game?
kindof FoS:Rhiya - possibly SK?
FoS:Gregness - would be undefeatable combo with bodyguard, thus shouldn't be on same team?

[Ecks]

So what, we test his unlynchable status, and possibly waste a lynch? No, I say Rhiya stabs him next night, and we lynch either Greg or Ryong.

We cannot afford another wasted lynch. If everyone else insists on greg I'll switch my vote back.

[Rhiya Ravenwing]

Incidentally, I'm not going to throw my vote in until all the three masons have spoken up (or at least two of them, since I know Moogle has trouble with the internet right now).

I'm also quite suspicious of Gregness, but not as much as I am of Bahamut.

[BahamutFlare]

I have no problem with you targetting RPG after that. If I was Vig, I'd have done the same. Not complaining about that. I just wanted to know if there was a diff between the butterfly knife and revolver.

However, the Greed theories still confuse me as to why people would do that. I'm going towards theory 2 more than 1. Hence it's not like I have much to do for the rest of the game other than sit back and argue. If you think Gregness is scum, and he could be protecting scum, then it makes sense for him to be taken out, so our Vig who is hopefully a Vig, takes out Ryong.

Also, can you people listen for once? 3 lynchproofs in 1 game. RPG, Fenris, and me. I can't really defend this point. I was given what I was given. I bet they had 1 shot though. Honestly, I can't be lynched. I moon you and you can't kill me until night. It's why I was always suspicious of Fenris and RPG now because their roles were both souped up versions of mine.

The FoS on Gregness is also one thing brought up so I do agree with that. A killer is always FoS'ed late game even as Vig. Although the targets I can understand as benefiting town, so I'm not too worried.

Gregness or Ryong I can get behind a vote. Mason groups are fairly common in mafia games, especially pretty large ones, so I trust them. Major props for getting their whole group this far into it. That's just ridiculous luck. Although it seems to happen usually.

[Rhiya Ravenwing]

I'll back off you for now, Bahamut, mainly cuz I did some more really terrible maths (seriously, people should not look at me in doing these maths)

So, from what crazy theories that vaguely make sense on my side, we have:

"Confirmed Town":

1. Sifright (Mason)
2. Ecks (Mason)
3. Moogle (Mason)

"Claims":
4. Rhiya (vigilante)
5. Gregness (Doctor)
6. Bahamut (Lynchproof)
7. Ryong (Wheatley, still unknown alignment)

I am siding with the mason's decision right now. If they lynch Greg or Ryong, it will look like this before night roles activate:

1. Sifright
2. Ecks
3. Moogle

4. Rhiya
6. Bahamut
7. Ryong or Gregness

5.Ryong or Gregness (X)

If I off someone at night, let's say Bahamut:

1. Sifright
2. Ecks
3. Moogle
4. Rhiya
5. Ryong/Gregness

6. Bahamut (X)
7. Ryong or Gregness (X - lynch)

Mafia will off either the possibly remaining Town-aligned killer (in this case, me), or a confirmed Mason:
1. Mason
2. Mason
3. Mason/Rhiya
4. Ryong/Gregness

5. Mason/Rhiya (X - mafia)
6. Bahamut (X)
7. Ryong/Gregness (X - Lynch)

That leaves one person essentially who may be scum come next day. Ryong, Gregness, or Bahamut. And 3 masons who will win the game. IF on the other hand there's still a 3rd killer roaming around, a 2nd mason might be offed:

1. Mason
2. Mason/Rhiya
3. Ryong/Gregness

4. Mason/Rhiya (x - Mafia)
5. Mason (X - SK)
6. Bahamut (X)
7. Ryong/Gregness (X - lynch)

... Actually yeah as long as 2 masons/1 Mason and if I'm actually who I say I am are alive, then yes BLU win.

Note: This is purely based off if I am actually the Vig.

If, however, the mason are actually scum (which is highly unlikely, because they wouldn't have killed one of their own members off N3 just for the uncertainty factor, since they'd win today due to having more numbers than BLU)

... Am I making much sense?

[Ryong]

I'm not Wheatley, I'm the delusional blu soldier.

I don't think anything but a town win is a possibility right now, we just have to off whoever's mafia.

Vote:Gregness

[Rhiya Ravenwing]

Sorry about that, Ryong. I keep mixing you with Aldurin like an idiot somehow. Ugh.

We have 72 hours (well... 69 now) to vote. I'm more inclined to wait until Sifright is able to put in his two cents.

[Gregness]

Why would you even target Sifright Gregness? For playing the game so well, the PO is a better choice to target than a mason guy. Especially since scum can target any mason member, but we have only 1 PO. You're better than that.
*snip*

Yeah, I sorta dropped the ball on that one. Greed made one(?) post D3 and it was the one post I missed. =8^(

Just as an aside though, if I got roleblocked again (seems likely given the flavor text I paraphrased earlier (unless IC's roleblock is the roleblock that keeps on blocking)) then it didn't matter who I targetted last night, greed was dead.

*snip*
FoS:Gregness - would be undefeatable combo with bodyguard, thus shouldn't be on same team?

As we get further and further along into the game, with all the roleblockers and how information starved town is, the bodyguard/doctor combo might have been there as a balance point. On the other hand, the "Bodyguard" role might work differently than my power. I am said to make the completely immune to anything that would kill them (TF2 ubercharge) but a bodyguard might just, like, die in place of the target or whatever.

So what, we test his unlynchable status, and possibly waste a lynch? No, I say Rhiya stabs him next night, and we lynch either Greg or Ryong.

We cannot afford another wasted lynch. If everyone else insists on greg I'll switch my vote back.

So, as I see it: if the "masons" are actually scum, then town is boned and we've almost got no way to win. So, with that in mind I'm going to assume they're legit since there's basically no point otherwise. Ecks is right that trying to test BF's lynch invulnerability is a gamble we can't afford right now.

That leaves me, Ryong and Rhiya.

I've got some slight, nagging suspicions of Rhiya due to some things she said in a couple posts yesterday, but they're not strong enough that I trust them completely yet. I'm certainly not voting for myself, and in light of Ryong admitting to lying earlier,so this makes the next bit easy.

Vote: Ryong

EDIT: I misread Ryong's post, but I'm leaving in the erroneous part of my post for transparancy.

[Gregness]

Hmm, I dunno, on second thought, Ryong has that whole victory condition fiasco from D1 as evidence of his townhood so:

unvote: Ryong

For now.

[Rhiya Ravenwing]

Think you can clarify which posts about me the previous day you found suspicious?

Because I believe every single post I made D3 were filled with scummy comments. Especially when I said something about lynching a mason (which thankfully didn't get carried through). Thankyouhaveagoodday.

[Sifright]

I just woke up and got finished reading through the back log. Will reread it again more carefully

So I'm pretty surprised none of my mason team was killed but greed getting slotted has removed any more information channels.

I'm more inclined to trust Ryong, but its striking that we got role blocked. we all ignored the spat between aldurin and Ryong.

The reason I did that is because i wanted to test Aldurins claim by scanning Ryongs class quote. Which got roleblocked. So thinking about who would benefit the most from that.

Hey Ecks, don't copy paste your roleblocked text but what was it?

[Sifright]

HMM.

okay my proposed plan of action.

Lynch Gregness. Rhiya kills Bahamut during the night if the game doesn't end with Gregnesses death. (bahamut being lynch proof sounds like mafia power or a simple way for a mafia player to go na uh! you can't kill me dont even try, so basically a bluff)

Leaving Mason/Mason/Mason/Ryong/Rhiya left. IF we assume there is still one more red after that.

We will randomly choose one of our mason team to scan Ryong. If his claim is true we lynch Rhiya the next day as the only remaining target if Ryong is lieing he dies.

obviously if there is a red player left after all this. Then a mason will die during the night.

We still have a lot more time though to decide so for the moment i'm going to spend a little longer deliberating and reread everything from start to finish so i can get a proper overview of what happened.

[Sifright]

Things to consider, about proof we have about players in any form

Ryong (Answered The win condition correctly, Claiming Delusional Soldier, otherwise stating vanilla **Not keen on the idea he is vanilla my only point of contention**)

Bahamut (Claims scout and Lynch proof has no corroborating evidence - Could be a mafia bluff)
Bahamut what is your scouts equipment?

Gregness (Claims to be town doc roleclaim TF2 medic, We have proof that at least has the TF2 role via Scan we don't know his alignment - Problems he would be the second town doc.)

Rhiya (claims spy and is taking credit for a few of the kills - Killing RPGDemon, doesn't shift my trust on Rhiya one way or another it was the optimal thing to do for a red player if RPGdemon was telling the truth because it means he would have two kills allowing him a very good chance to hit at least one red, wanting to slot a mason during previous game day has made me rather leery )


In fact lets have every one list their equipment and it's quote. It probably won't help but we have time and farming information at this stage is the most sensible thing we can do.

Lastly Greed was double killed. This leads to some problematic possibilities.

1) Red team have two night kills
2) There is a Red team and a SK at large.

[greed]

MOTHERFUCKERS/deathpost

[Rhiya Ravenwing]

Rhiya (claims spy and is taking credit for a few of the kills - Killing RPGDemon, doesn't shift my trust on Rhiya one way or another it was the optimal thing to do for a red player if RPGdemon was telling the truth because it means he would have two kills allowing him a very good chance to hit at least one red, wanting to slot a mason during previous game day has made me rather leery )

I'm taking credit of two kills because I have nothing else in that aspect to hide. Would you have rather me killing one of you masons as I was threatening to do prior to the failed lynch? The way I see it, if I am an SK, I have absolutely no chance of winning at this point in time, especially after I've outlined all the possibilities of me actually being either the RED or an SK. In fact, every post I've made has possibly been incredibly detrimental towards my health (that is, my status of being alive) up until... well ok I'm still making some hilariously scummy posts even now.

I will openly admit ever since D1, up until D3 prior to the failed lynch I have been very intent on killing you (Sifright) on one of the nights. N1 I was absent and therefore didn't. Prior to N2 happening I actually PM'd RO that in the case of my absence, I wanted to knife you. Then when IC and Masked Jedi came up BLU I changed my mind to Bard for some completely random reasoning. When the no-lynch happened D3, I immediately went after rpgdemon because he said nothing about that ability, and he would've risked getting drunk to say something like a "Don't lynch me, I can't be lynched today" kind of thing if he was BLU.

I have a killing role. I backstabbed Bard (which gave no information as far as that's concerned, aside from me 'borrowing his earpiece before the fatal stab'), and shot rpgdemon a few times in the head after his connection 'stabilized', according to RO. That's all you can get from whatever the heck I've been doing in my recent activity, and I will hit somebody tonight (if we don't weed out the last of the killers in today's lynch)

And today, I am putting my entire trust in you because 'clearly the masons are our path to winning'. My vote unanimously goes towards whoever you suspect the most. If that is Gregness, then I will vote him, even if I think it's a bad idea.

My most concerning thing right now is Bahamut. He's claiming Lynchproof, but there were two others who displayed similar versions of it (maybe they were single-use, not sure about RPG's but Fenris' certainly sounded like it was a "I can stop any ONE lynch - not just on myself - in the entire game" kind of version), and that's once again ringing all the scum bells in my head.

If my concerns are correct and I actually can't kill Bahamut at night, then die in the same night, there might be a bigger problem (though I suppose you can just swing the vote to get 'im).


.... wait how do you know Greed was double-killed? The guy who strangled him could've just tried to make it look like an accident?

[Sifright]

*snip*
.... wait how do you know Greed was double-killed? The guy who strangled him could've just tried to make it look like an accident?

Because I've never seen a game where you can ask GM/GO to do stuff after your action to the target, as misdirection

Edit: if a night kill fails on baham we can just lynch him out with superior numbers so i'm not worried in that regard at all

[Rhiya Ravenwing]

I'm banking on SK and Mafia. If double-kill, likely they 'assumed' the other would've tried to off someone else. That still leaves me with my claim on RPG with my revolver, and possibly RPG's last action in killing Aldurin.

However, that doesn't explain why there were only 3 kills N2, and still 3 kills N3. rpgdemon informed us he 'used' his sniper rifle to off someone. If he was telling the truth in that respect, and there was another separate entity like the SK, it would've leapt to 4 kills N2, unless the SK hit another mafia-targetted character, but they looked like separate, individual kills. Therefore, the saw + choke does still seem like a single-entity kill. I can be incredibly wrong and incompetent in my reasoning though.

My next question then is: why are we voting for Gregness if you know his class by scan? He might actually benefit us tonight if something terrible goes wrong, and he's no longer disoriented from the horrible N1 face-humping. Then again, he missed one night on the claim that he 'thought it was 48 hours instead of 24', and was terribly incompetent the other two nights (one because of IC, not sure now about N3).

[Rhiya Ravenwing]

I mean, I don't know if it's plausible, but if we lynch Ryong (especially with the Aldurin fiasco), on the small faith that Greg is who he says he is, then he can save one of us tonight, you can scan one of his other attributes as yes/no, and then we and go from there?

That's IF this entire plan doesn't go belly-up in the first place.

Just sayin'.

[Ecks]

Okay, my pm went sort of like this (paraphrasing here):

"I'm proud of you son."
"Dad, are you space?"
"Yes, now we are a family again."

But that's not what Ryong actually said. Random failure!

So yeah, Space Core hilarity. Why did I get the crazy one?

Moogle needs to chime in. Other than that I still think we're safer lynching Ryong and letting Rhiya off Bahamut the night action, while we choose one of the mason group to scan greg. If thats a sound enough plan I say we go for it, unless there is compelling enough evidence to vote in another direction.

[Rhiya Ravenwing]

So options are:

Sifright: Vote Greg, Rhiya kills Bahamut, Scan Ryong.

Ecks: Vote Ryong, Rhiya kills Bahamut, Scan Greg.


... essentially?

[Sifright]

Yes, that is correct.

I'd also like to point out that killing Ryong is silly of all the unverified players he is the most trust worthy due to his win condition claim early on.


My biggest worry is if Rhiya is actually mafia.

That would lead to, 2/7

if we end up lynching a blue

2/6 Then Rhiya and her mafia mate get a kill in each

leading to 2/4 meaning mafia wins.

Edit: bluuuh fucked up my post with bad copy/pasting

[Rhiya Ravenwing]

Honestly? The same could be said about the Masons being mafia and orchestrating this cunning ruse. However, once again, yadda yadda Greed's death yadda...

You can't trust me fully. But what are the odds of you guys winning if you really think I'm scum and knock me off today, assuming I have either mafia or SK role?

Night would look like this:

Sif Mason
Moogle Mason
Ecks Mason

Bahamut (??)
Ryong ('confirmed BLU')
Greg (??)

If offing me reduces a kill count by 1, you're still looking at 2 killers. They may go for a mason each, especially now that means they can sway the vote their way:

Mason
Mason
Mason

Ryong (??)
Bahamut (??)
Greg (??)

Rhiya
~~

I'm going to say this (another scummy comment woo), that IF, say, I was the vigilante, and the mafia know I'm not siding with them, then they will try to get rid of the last Town-aligned killer role as well, leaving what my above figures show - decisive town victory.

~~

'Course, if the Masons themselves are mafia (which at this point I think is highly unlikely), we're boned either way since we're so trusting of them all ::V:

But let's not think that eh?

Also, wait until Gregness replies? there's still 2 whole days left to ponder, or we can end this early.

[Ecks]

Sif, what evidence do we have that he wasn't lying with his win condition claim? Did greed scan him or something or were we just taking his word for it? I am still really unsettled that earl wound up dead after accusing him. What if youre wrong? One scan on Ryong has already failed. What if gregs claim is legit and we lose our doc, giving scum one less obstacle to victory. The only confirmables right now are you, me, and moogle. I dont trust anyone else enough to give them the benefit of the doubt after the results from last night. If Rhiya is who she says she is, then she'll most likely use her night kill on bahamut. If we lynch greg and youre wrong sif, we're fucked.

[Rhiya Ravenwing]

*SNIP*
If we lynch greg and youre wrong sif, we're fucked.

Nope.

BLU is fucked if I'm a big fat dirty motherslotting liar in my Vig claim and have been playing you guys all along.

If I am telling the truth, selecting Ryong or Greg to lynch doesn't matter in the outcome. I will knock Bahamut out at night (or attempt to), the baddies will potentially have to kill me (at the least), leaving majority Masons to point fingers during the day should there still be baddies around.

What we're debating here is how fast to end this game, and if it's Greg or Ryong we kill, should you be inclined to trust me in my Vig claim.

It all boils down to whether or not I'm a killer and I'm on your side.

[Moogle0119]

I'm with Ecks in that I don't really trust anyone anymore outside of our mason group. Ryong's investigation coming back as negative really makes me suspicious of him again despite his claiming the correct win condition back on Day 1.

However, I do agree with the plan that Rhiya is laying out for the time being. If Rhiya ends up killing somebody else other than Bahamut then we lynch her tomorrow regardless of any claims of "mis-directed kills" or whatnot. Because honestly that's the best I can come up with without being able to tell exactly what roles people are when they get killed during night. I'll vote with whatever Ecks and Sif decides on though.

P.S. I should be able to post more consistently now, computer is fixed (thanks for putting up with my absence).

[BahamutFlare]

Well, if I don't die, for some odd reason during the night, you guys aren't killing me in the morning. That much is for certain. All these plans hitch on Rhiya being Vig and doing the right thing.

Equipment:
BONK! Atomic Punch
Tiny Little Head

Unvote: Gregness
Vote: Ryong

[Ryong]

We currently have two killers, rpgdemon was murdered last night, remember?

[Rhiya Ravenwing]

We currently have two killers, rpgdemon was murdered last night, remember?

Yes we went through this. I killed rpgdemon for a reason I explained in the previous bunch of wall'o'texts.

[Ecks]

BF, I'm unfamiliar with tf2 except in a very basic level. Can you explain what those do?

[Rhiya Ravenwing]

Tiny head means he's hard to headshot. Bonk is a drink that makes him invulnerable for a period of time, but then he is slower and easier to kill.

[Ecks]

Man I am gonna have to have ro pm me some time and send me his formula for this game, I get the feeling theres more to this than just your basic average mafia game.

[Sifright]

The problem is, we should try and make plans that take into account the fact that Rhiya might be on the red team, as we have no outside evidence. I'm not saying Ryong is trust worthy but at least we have something to go on.

Ecks if your dead set on Ryong i'll vote him. I think it's a mistake though

[rpgdemon]

Screw youuuuu I hope the game ends soon so I can post.

[Ryong]

If offing me reduces a kill count by 1, you're still looking at 2 killers.

This is what I was talking about.

We only have two killers and that includes you.

[Ecks]

Im not trying to strongarm anybody into voting my way. If Rhiya is really the vig and not scum, lynching her means we lose our night kill. I might just be getting jittery feels here, idk. Theres always a risk of botching a lynch... but we're running out of options. I'm just not sure of anyone and Ryong seems like the safest choice here.

Dont want to lose our night kill
Don't want to lose our doc

What exactly does Ryong do? I don't trust his claim anymore.

[Sifright]

Okay...
Rhiya


in your role pm you will have a section that states 'you posses X' what comes afterwards
detailed description please

[BahamutFlare]

I've never played TF2 either except as a Pyro at my friend's house for 1 time. I have no idea what is involved. So I thought Bonk atomic punch was weird, but both support the fact that I'm just hard to kill.

[Sifright]

Okay...
Rhiya


in your role pm you will have a section that states 'you posses X' what comes afterwards
detailed description please

Poke.

[Fenris]

Poke.

dude it's barely been an hour

/deadpost

[Ecks]

Yeah sif, she lives down under. Different timezones, etc.

[Rhiya Ravenwing]

That message was indeed posted at 4:51am, when I was deep in sleep :p
Message reads:

As befitting a master killer, your weapons are simple but elegant:

Buttefly Knife
For greeting your enemies up close and personal.

Revolver
For greeting your enemies... well, personally at least, if not close.

~~~

It's like... 7am right now. I got an exam soon, so I won't be replying anytime until it's over.

... With the exception of voting.

[Sifright]

That message was indeed posted at 4:51am, when I was deep in sleep :p
Message reads:

As befitting a master killer, your weapons are simple but elegant:

Buttefly Knife
For greeting your enemies up close and personal.

Revolver
For greeting your enemies... well, personally at least, if not close.

~~~

It's like... 7am right now. I got an exam soon, so I won't be replying anytime until it's over.

... With the exception of voting.


HMMM..

That doesn't look much like how my pm showed items but that could be due to REASONS, I won't state why because this could be the only way we have to identify reds.

Ryong, Bahamut and Gregness throw a up a post describing how your items look (format wise) and what it states about them.

[Rhiya Ravenwing]

Hey, well. I'm French, and Le Spy. Of course I'm going to have something awesome and descriptive for such a suave character :D

[Ryong]

You Possess:

The Equalizer
Which is totally ineffective at killing anyone because you're always at full health.

[BahamutFlare]

I already listed my items and they were described a lot more by Rhiya than my PM, so seriously why are you guys stalling mason team? Pick someone, vote, and then see what night brings.

[Sifright]

meh fuck it, I don't trust Rhiya and i think killing ryong is a mistake but i'll go for it.

Vote:Ryong

[Moogle0119]

Vote: Ryong

[Ecks]

Someone seems in an awful hurry to get night started. I'm trying to make the best decision here, hurrying things along is only going to cause mistakes that we dont need right now.

FoS: BahamutFlare

Sticking with my vote. Lets see this through.

[Sifright]

I've noticed by doing this we've allowed Scum to vote hammer if we chose wrong, really we should have forced every one else to vote. See how things fell, but it's a bit late at this point.

[Revising Ocelot]

Wasting no time, the fires of the Foundry are started up and Ryong, also known as GLaDOS, RED "Killing you... is hard" Roleblocker is thrown into the furnace, in as much as a giant robot construct can be thrown into a fire. And she probably uploaded her mind into a potato beforehand. Regardless...



BLU Team wins!


Summary posts will come later when I feel less like death warmed up, I'm hellishly ill right now.

[Revising Ocelot]

But one thing first: RED -really- screwed themselves over by losing half their number on Night 1 by targeting the wrong people.

[Sifright]

wat. Well!

[Ecks]

I'm not gonna say it.

Not gonna say it.

Not gonna- FUGGING TOLD YA SO!

There I said it.

/victorypost

[Sifright]

Maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan, so Ryong was the dude that roleblocked me. Welp

[Fenris]

"He said the right victory condition," you said. "Let's all trust him," you said.

Thanks a lot, Sif.

(P.S. join my game errybody)

Also, I played terribly this game.

[Sifright]

hahaha, I wonder how many of my hunches were right. like the whole IC thing i was thinking DONT LYNCH IC HE STOPPED US KILLING RYONG AND HES BLU! *hurr durr* I didn't say anything cause I didn't want to be wrong and get lynched, plus i wasn't sure because zombies.

[Oron]

Wait, isn't the Sniper from Australia?

There must be a connection between Ahra and the Sniper! Cover your heads, people.

I looted Ahra, N1, who was the Sniper.

Huh. Lucky guess.

Supporting Ryong. Yeah, yeah, his win conditions match up with BLU's. For all we know, he could be a member of scum team, and their win conditions are "You win when all non-RED are dead." It wouldn't be too hard to guess what town's win conditions are in that case. Even if RO didn't send him his win conditions, I'm not going to just take that at face value. But you did.

Wasting no time, the fires of the Foundry are started up and Ryong, also known as GLaDOS, RED "Killing you... is hard" Roleblocker is thrown into the furnace, in as much as a giant robot construct can be thrown into a fire. And she probably uploaded her mind into a potato beforehand. Regardless...


Yeah, nobody listen to the guy who explodes.

Also, I really hope Bookworm was scum. Otherwise my expected early death was in vain.

[Sifright]

Huh. Lucky guess.





Yeah, nobody listen to the guy who explodes.

Also, I really hope Bookworm was scum. Otherwise my expected early death was in vain.

You can't expect us to think a boomer is town!

[Geminex]

Mmh-hmm-hmm-hmm-hmm, Mmmmmmph!
Mmh nmh huddada hmm mmph mmmph mmph-
Mph?

Hudda?

I can fucking talk again?!

Finally.

[Sifright]

Mmh-hmm-hmm-hmm-hmm, Mmmmmmph!
Mmh nmh huddada hmm mmph mmmph mmph-
Mph?

Hudda?

I can fucking talk again?!

Finally.

You can't talk because UR DEAD!

[Revising Ocelot]

A role list for your pleasure:

1. Serial Killer - RADIANT Sniper - rpgdemon
2. Mafia Godfather - RED The Gaben - Mr. Bookworm
3. Mafia Traitor - RED Wheatley - Aldurin
4. Mafia Roleblocker - RED GLaDOS - Ryong
5. Mafia "Role Cop"(not really, same functionality as Masons) - RED Spy - Arhra
6. Town Doctor - BLU Medic - Gregness
7. Town Vigilante - BLU Spy - Rhyia Ravenwing
8. Town Bomb - BLU Boomer - Oron
9. Town Bodyguard - BLU Gordon Freeman - Masked Jedi
10. Town Cop - BLU Barney - greed
11. Town Mason - BLU Space Core - Ecks
12. Town Mason - BLU Adventure Core - Sifright
13. Town Mason - BLU Fact Core - Moogle
14. Town Roleblocker - BLU Jockey - Inbred Chocobo
15. Town Inventor - BLU Dr. Kleiner - Fenris
16. Town Bulletproof - BLU Heavy - Bard the 5th LW
17. Town Tracker - BLU Pyro - Geminex
18. Town Lynchproof - BLU Scout - BahamutFlare

[Inbred Chocobo]

This was definitely an odd game, but random family events kept me away from it. It was probably a good thing however as I was getting bad mis-readings, so maybe it was a good thing I wasn't there to defend myself.

[BahamutFlare]

I knew Ryong was scum D1. I'm never letting anyone off of D1 hunches ever again. Way too much "I wanna be your buddy."

Sorry Gregness for accusing you near the end. Even though you were roleblocked, wasn't sure what the heck you were.

Ok. RPG, how did you become lynchproof one day? What happened D3?

[Rhiya Ravenwing]

BAHHAHAHHHAHAAA I played so terribly in this game. Still, it got us a win. YES!

[Geminex]

Your posts were fun to read!

And I'm glad that at least one person appreciated my attempts at communicating with you guys.

[BahamutFlare]

Gem, you actually gave us a bit of information. Your posts worked out great.

Rhiya, you played well. I think most of us clueless townies were in the dark mostly. Your idea of lynching the mason was something I considered. As long as you had fun, it's all that matters anyway!

Good game everyone.

[Mr.Bookworm]

I still maintain that the mafia got fucked over, stacked deck-wise, in this game.

We only had 3 (and a half, maybe, with Aldurin) people in the first place, with one other scum, an entire town filled with power roles, and us without any particularly spectacular roles on our side (I still don't actually know what Arhra's role was, especially given that note on RO's list).

There was also a whole layer with items and choosing who to attack that A) Wasn't really expanded on sufficiently, and B) I can't actually see how you had any way of figuring out balance, given how incredibly convoluted the whole thing seemed to be.

I mean, part of it came down to shitty luck on Night 1, but I'm still not seeing how we ever could have won this, given an entire non-vanilla town and our low numbers.

[Geminex]

I'm just sad I didn't get to use all my clips. : (

Like this one!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t348e24vDyA
(For use when I have no idea)

Or this one!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fLrpBLDWyCI
(For use when people make stupid arguments)

Or this one!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-9RuaB3c9FQ&feature=relatedv
(For when someone suggests lynching masons)

Or this one!
http://www.infinitelooper.com/?v=vavbI85driQ&p=n#/0;4
(For when a discussion is going aroudn in circles. Thinking back, I could have used it on day 1.)

[Sifright]

*snip*
We only had 3 (and a half, maybe, with Aldurin) people in the first place, with one other scum, an entire town filled with power roles, and us without any particularly spectacular roles on our side (I still don't actually know what Arhra's role was, especially given that note on RO's list).*snip*

Arhra had the ability to scan a players equipment or class quote if it works the same as the masons scan.


Man, just noticed only 4 on the red team that is pretty small I thought there would be at least 5.

[Ryong]

I did the best I could.

I had fun with how Rhiya and Sifright had crazy complete trust on me for most of the game.

So, what happened:

N1: Blocked Sifright, Bookie went and killed Oron and got bomb'd.
N2: Blocked Geminex, killed Fenris.
N3: Blocked Gregness, killed greed.

I thought if I killed aldurin that night it'd raise too much suspicion and I knew I was fucked when I saw that rpgdemon had killed him.

Aldurin never was RED, he wasn't stated to be in our team, so really he was just a vanilla BLU that knew who I'd be D2, so yeah, no way we could win.

[Aldurin]

The first point I want to make is that powerless traitor roles are the worst thing to have, even more so than miller. I was basically told "You're Red, but you only know who one other Red is and you don't get any Red privileges until he dies." This is a pretty awful thing to have because it's pretty near impossible to work towards your goal (I had to worry about accidentally leading a lynch on a fellow Red) and the only thing you have to help you towards that is your ability to post. I would have honestly been happier with Mafia Vanilla, because Traitor in this form is essentially a direct downgrade from that.

Also, the amount of lynch-blocking opportunities in place seems somewhat excessive in the face of how night deaths didn't give identities.

[Revising Ocelot]

Thing is that 5 Mafia would have meant 12 town, which would have swung the game massively in Mafia's favour from my POV.

[Rhiya Ravenwing]

16. Town Bulletproof - BLU Heavy - Bard the 5th LW


I dunno. I reckon the equipment added that little bit of extra uncertainty into the game. Like how Bard is bulletproof and I still killed him... With a knife

That was a fun intense last day. So glad everybody didn't turn on me despite all the scummy comments I kept up.

Ryong, you played us like a harp. It was great. I was so close at D3 to accusing the masons of outright scum play by banding together like that, and then attempting to swing the vote onto one of them. It was only the no-lynch on rpg that really made me rethink like mad.

[Ryong]

Thing is that 5 Mafia would have meant 12 town, which would have swung the game massively in Mafia's favour from my POV.

But we had 3 mafia. Aldurin never was a part of our team.

[rpgdemon]

So, I had no idea I was lynchproof. I had Lag and the Razorback as my things that would help me survive, along with the gun. I assumed the Lag/Razorback kept me from night kills, so I was surprised when I was lynchproof.

And then I was even more surprised that the spy killed me at night with a not-stab.

[Rhiya Ravenwing]

Razorback meant i would've died. Hence when RO gave me two weapons I knew there will be roles out there that I can't backstab, or can't shoot :3

[BahamutFlare]

Oh that sucks about Aldurin though. The traitor thing may have been a bit over the top. Honestly, with a bomb, you already have scum being minus 1 unless they lynch or Vig gets him. I think that 1 more scum would've been fine. I honestly thought that Gregness being a scum Doctor would've made sense given the circumstances.