Cyberpunk 2077

[Bells]

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The teaser shows how the Psycho Squad might acquire a new member.

The Psycho Squad specializes in combating "psychos" — individuals who overuse implants and substances that boost or otherwise alter the human body.

There comes a point when they overdose on these innovations, and their bodies start to rebel against their biological body parts as well as all things organic around them. Simply put, they start killing people, who they now derisively call "meatbags."

When a psycho goes on the rampage, strange things can happen. There's carnage, and the psycho might be taken down by regular police, but they're not always able to get the job done.

When things spin out of control, they call in MAX-TAC (Maximum Force Tactical Division), popularly called the Psycho Squad.

In Cyberpunk 2077, the player will be thrown into a dark future. The metropolis of Night City is a stage set to tell the tale of one individual, raised on the streets, who tries to lift himself up from the gutter and find a way to survive amongst boostergangs and megacorporations in a city of filth and sin. Drugs, violence, poverty and exclusion haven't disappeared by 2077, as people stayed they were for centuries – greedy, closed-minded and weak. But not only ghosts of the past trouble mankind, but new issues have appeared. Psychos go on rampages and the streets are filled with junkies addicted to a new form of entertainment – the braindance, a cheap way to experience the emotions and stimuli of someone else, someone living a more exciting life.

Entering the mind of a serial killer means not only seeing the monstrosity he performs, but also living his lust to kill and fulfillment.

An open World Cyberpunk RPG from the creators of Witcher and Witcher 2.

First of all, i loved that they call the "super police" the Maximum Force Tactical Division. Secondly, Witcher 2 looked badass and played like a badass game.

I hope this title has more broader appeal cause the people behind this do some really great games, and they really improved after each one... a Cyberpunk Open World RPG gives me huge "Mass Effect" Vibes, specially when you bring the Witcher back into the mix... so, we'll have to wait i see a bit more, i guess?

Skyrim + Deus-Ex ... even Capcom would have a hard time screwing THIS one up.

[Azisien]

Count me in.

[Arcanum]

Cyberpunk Open World RPG

How does any of that give you Mass Effect vibes?

[Bells]

Sci Fi RPG Shooter with Branching storyline, sidequests and Conversation Wheel.

[Arcanum]

I've looked around and nowhere mentions a conversation wheel, or that it's a shooter. Especially considering http://i.imgur.com/5F9uj.png

For those who don't want to squint:

So, you want to know what kind of game Cyberpink 2077 will be? The short description is that it will be a story-heavy, nonlinear, open world RPG based on the well known Cyberpunk pen&paper system and setting. Building open world games is something we aremastering right now, and we believe that properly joining nonlinear gameplay with an excellent story telling will bring a totally new quality.

So basically nothing like Mass Effect other than it's set in the future.

edit- More info from an IGN article

In 2077 as we imagine it, technology will be so advanced that implants will fit in the tip of a needle, making modification easy. The decision to change will therefore be largely aesthetic and ostensibly harmless.

[...]

When somebody walks around with a chrome hand, it’s not because there’s some underlying technology that makes their hand look like that. It’s because they think chrome hands look cool. When somebody has a leg with servomotors, it’s because they choose to look extreme (like the best new carbon fiber bike). And their choice is completely based on style, it extends and enriches their style. You’ll get access to a rich arsenal of firearms, but if you want to have blades because they look cool, go for it. All these elements will make it into Cyberpunk 2077. 'Style Over Substance' is our core theme, after all.

[Bells]

Sorry i shouldn't been more specific about it, i'm just assuming it will be out of Witcher having that feature.

the idea of Style of Substance is not really a new one, it's just another of saying "play it your way". Alpha protocol said the same thing about itself too...

I mean, melee vs ranged is great to have the option and all... but if Guns just completely OWN melee, players will just gravitate to that like in any game.

Although, heavy character customization is totally a thing i'm on board with.

[Kim]

Oh, cool, another game trailer trying to beautify violence against scantily clad women.

AAA games sure are making this, "Don't buy AAA games," deal easy for me.

[Magus]

Oh, cool, another game trailer trying to beautify violence against scantily clad women.

AAA games sure are making this, "Don't buy AAA games," deal easy for me.

Nah, you're going to have to actually back this one up. All contextual clues point to the fact that indestructible cyborg lady with scythe hands is going to own their asses after she gets done with her slow-motion blink.

I'm sorry but unless this is self-parody at this point...or your definition of misogyny is any act of violence against any female character in any context, ever.

[Kim]

It's a trailer that beautifies violence against a sexualized woman.

That is the trailer in its entirety.

Yes, creating a piece of media that is nothing more than beautifying violence committed against sexualized women is sexist.

It's pretty straight forward.

[Magus]

I think the point of her being scantily clad/helpless is for this to then be juxtaposed with the fact that she has bulletproof skin and scythe hands. As it starts, we see several bullets heading towards a seemingly helpless woman. The bullets then begin bouncing off her skin. The camera pans out to she she has scythe hands. A guy is about to shoot her from behind, she finishes blinking, having captured all the information around her in a split second. The presumption is she kills the guy since she is then shown putting on a helmet in the transport at the end there.

[Kim]

And you see nothing wrong with sexualizing a woman to make her seem vulnerable?

[Magus]

Not in this context? Being in your underwear would be the most vulnerable a person would be short of naked. It's not like she's in a frilly bra and panties. But anyway, if you think that people are encouraged to identify with the storm troopers shooting her then whatever...

[Kim]

Not in this context? Being in your underwear would be the most vulnerable a person would be short of naked. It's not like she's in a frilly bra and panties. But anyway, if you think that people are encouraged to identify with the storm troopers shooting her then whatever...

Find me a trailer wherein we watch bullets break beautifully off the face of a sexualized man in his underwear.

[Bells]

Glorification of male types in game is not a perfect direct mirror of how female characters are portrait in gaming media... you can't ask for a 1:1 direct comparison, because this is not done in a streamlined fashion.

For male glorification you look at FarCry 3, and for as awesome game as it is, you see the "Arian Destined White American" saving an island full of Brown people by killing a whole bunch of other brown people...

This trailer is leading you in... First you see the beauty, then you see the bullets and you immediately think of her as a victim. it's engineered for that... then the bullets bounce off and we think something isn't right. Then we go down and we see the Blades and the robotic unnatural things she carries and it causes discomfort and doubt. Then it opens the shot and you see a bunch of Bodies around her and you understand the the Beauty is actually the beast.

So far it fits their "Style over substance" theme... Witcher is also a very Sexualized game, the producer doesn't shy away from poking some mature nobs on their themes... the handling might be up to interpretation and discussion though.

We know too little at this point, their sales pitch has a Sexy woman, fine... PR that shit, that's how they sell games now. Sex, Guns and WuBWuBWuB... but if they really go deep and serious into Cyberpunk themes and other mature subjects like the Exploration and Greed of self and others, i'm not going to discard it as an idea just yet...

Witcher 1 and 2 were damn good games... these people have some good faith credit with me to not judge their game based just on a teaser trailer and some PR Early papers...

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[Kim]

It's a sexist advertisement. If developers want to advertise their games with sexism, then I will not support their games.

Also, the way women are sexualized in media and the way men are glorified in media are both for the benefit of men.

It's not remotely equivalent because they both serve male fantasies. Neither are for women.

Men are never painted as victims in the same way women are either. This is also a way in which the trailer is sexist. Violence against the woman by men is made beautiful. She's sexualized for the male audience. The entire trailer is a basket of sexism for men.

The company decided that's the message they wanted to send with their product. Ergo, I will not support their product.

The Witcher games, from what I recall, are also incredibly sexist, so this falls in line with what I expect from the company. The same company that reduces women to collectable porn cards and rape victims.

EDIT: Synk, I hope your example is a joke, because equating Superman standing upright in his outfit to a scantily clad woman with her legs spread is a really piss-poor example. A really, really piss-poor example.

[Magus]

Find me a trailer wherein we watch bullets break beautifully off the face of a sexualized man in his underwear.

Damn, that's pretty specific.

EDIT: Here, this is the closest thing I can find, from Hawkeye #3:

http://i50.tinypic.com/kd8j8j.jpg

Anyway, I think you're overreacting a bit, is all. But obviously you don't have to buy something you don't want to.

[Kim]

Damn, that's pretty specific.

EDIT: Here, this is the closest thing I can find, from Hawkeye #3:

http://i50.tinypic.com/kd8j8j.jpg

Not remotely close.

Good god you dudebros are bad at this.

Anyway, I think you're overreacting a bit, is all. But obviously you don't have to buy something you don't want to.

Pointing out that something is sexist and saying I'm not going to spend sixty fucking dollars on something sexist is overreacting.

I'm pretty sick and tired of calling anything out at all being reduced to "overreacting".

People like you defending sexism any time its called out and then blaming the person calling it out is the sort of misogynist bullshit that deters many women from calling out sexist bullshit in the first place. It's a decidedly anti-woman attitude.

[Magus]

Pssh, well you started from a basis that it was an impossible task, so it shouldn't be surprising to you.

[synkr0nized]

EDIT: Synk, I hope your example is a joke, [...]

To assume I would use the "lolitrollu" post icon in a serious post is a poor choice as a reader.

[Magus]

When I said overreacting I meant more statements like this: "The same company that reduces women to collectable porn cards and rape victims."

Of course maybe they should just avoid making sex into a game at all...

[Kim]

When I said overreacting I meant more statements like this: "The same company that reduces women to collectable porn cards and rape victims."

That is a thing that company does.

It was an accurate description the company's previous products.

[Magus]

I think it's more that they shouldn't have made sex into a game within the game.

[Arcanum]

It's a trailer that beautifies violence against a sexualized woman.

That is the trailer in its entirety.

Nope.

And you see nothing wrong with sexualizing a woman to make her seem vulnerable?

Explain how the impervious-to-bullets killing machine is vulnerable please.

[Kim]

Magus is the one who said she's half-naked to make her seem vulnerable.

Or are you arguing that she's half-naked just for the sake of being eye-candy.

Because that would also be sexist.

[Magus]

Ah, but it would be more sexist, so let's go with mine.

[Arcanum]

Sorry i shouldn't been more specific about it, i'm just assuming it will be out of Witcher having that feature.

the idea of Style of Substance is not really a new one, it's just another of saying "play it your way". Alpha protocol said the same thing about itself too...

I mean, melee vs ranged is great to have the option and all... but if Guns just completely OWN melee, players will just gravitate to that like in any game.

Although, heavy character customization is totally a thing i'm on board with.

In a single player game as long as the alternatives are viable then it doesn't matter what is the "best." Look at Dark Souls. The highest DPS in the game is Dex/Faith, and the best way to tank is to pour points into Vit and use a Fire/Lightning/Chaos weapon. Yet there are still people making crazy builds that are just as viable and even more fun.

To clarify, just trying to get some discussion going here, not trying to argue with you. I agree that if guns way outgrade melee, and the melee combat ends up clunky, then it will be pretty lame. It depends entirely on how much they take to heart the "pen&paper" style they mentioned and how much freedom/variety they have with cybernetics and implants. (edit2- Actually a good example of guns vs melee is a game called Warframe that's in closed beta right now. It's a third person action shooter dungeon-crawler-esque game. You have your primary gun, your pistol(s), and your melee. Fighting at range is definitely the "safer" or "better" option, but the melee in the game is just so satisfying (most enemies get cleaved in two if you're using a blade, or blown to bits and launched back if you're using a blunt weapon) that the melee kills (as of the last global stats they released for fun) number in the millions. So really, even if guns way outclass melee in Cyberpunk, if the melee combat is satisfying you'll find people playing it.)


edit1--

Oh no, the half-naked is definitely meant to imply she's vulnerable. And then everything else in the trailer shows you that no, she's not, she's actually the least vulnerable person in the entire trailer. I was trying to point that out with my comment but I guess I was being too subtle.

[Kyanbu The Legend]

So... It's kinda like ghost in the shell?

It sounds interesting I guess. Might check it out as we get close to it's release.

[Kim]

Oh no, the half-naked is definitely meant to imply she's vulnerable. And then everything else in the trailer shows you that no, she's not, she's actually the least vulnerable person in the entire trailer. I was trying to point that out with my comment but I guess I was being too subtle.

So, we return to exactly what I said to Magus.

You do not think sexualizing a woman to make her appear vulnerable is sexist.

It is.

[Magus]

If it's anything like Ghost in the Shell then it will be sexist because they used to have the Major get naked in that one all the time for no apparent reason.

Also by the way as much as I defend this particular trailer artistically since it was pretty cool the game will probably be sexist at least to some degree. No argument about that.

Anyway, I have a bone to pick with these jerkasaurs, which is the whole "Coming: when it's done" bullshit at the end there. You ain't Valve, CD Projekt.

EDIT: Well underwear-clad does not automatically equal sexy, as I said earlier, this is pretty utilitarian underwear, though I am probably underestimating the male libido of my fellows...

I mostly require Victoria Secret ad-level underwear. This is like a Sears ad-level underwear.

[Bells]

To clarify, just trying to get some discussion going here, not trying to argue with you. I agree that if guns way outgrade melee, and the melee combat ends up clunky, then it will be pretty lame. It depends entirely on how much they take to heart the "pen&paper" style they mentioned and how much freedom/variety they have with cybernetics and implants.

Oh no discussion at all, i totally agree... "have your cake and eat it" style of Game making is a very hard thing to do. What i'm liking so far is that they have a firmly pressed foot on RPG, and they are focusing on how you play your character but they are not (so far) playing around with "be any class you want" stuff...

Because, balancing the usefulness of a Katana in a game that also allows you to have a SMG is one thing... it's doable. But doing that and ALSO doing the "be a hacker or a stealthy assassin or a tank" thing is hardly ever done right...

This game is now in the list of games i know little about and whish to know more soon, right next to Watchdogs. Also... 2013 is going to have some real pretty games, me likey.

[Arcanum]

You do not think sexualizing a woman to make her appear vulnerable is sexist.

It is.

Except replacing her with a man in his underwear would imply the same level of vulnerability. Lack of clothes = exposed = vulnerable. Please stop putting words in my mouth.

Anyway, I have a bone to pick with these jerkasaurs, which is the whole "Coming: when it's done" bullshit at the end there. You ain't Valve, CD Projekt.

Pretty sure Blizzard was doing that first.I could be wrong though.


@Bells, make sure you read my second edit in that post (it's at the end of that paragraph you quoted, wouldn't surprise me if I threw in that edit while you were making your post). Also I have a faint suspicion that this game won't be coming out in 2013 :P (but judging from their secret message, their "other project" might be).

[synkr0nized]

Also... 2013 is going to have some real pretty games, me likey.

Let's hope that's backed up with some content and quality.

[Kim]

Except replacing her with a man in his underwear would imply the same level of vulnerability. Lack of clothes = exposed = vulnerable. Please stop putting words in my mouth.

There are a million less fetishy outfits that could be used to convey vulnerability. This is trying to make that vulnerability sexy.

Fun fact: Latex outfits that squish your giant tits against your chest with zero support and super-tight panties are not very utilitarian. At all.

[Kyanbu The Legend]

So yeah this game is already off to a pretty bad start. And it doesn't even have a demo yet.


Honestly I can see what they might have been trying to do. Which was showing that nothing is ever what it seems. The hero is pined down by the mooks, only to turn out the hero is not so helpless.

It's just that you really can't do this with a sexualized half naked female character.

That's a pretty big mistake. One that pretty much paints this another bad cliche'd title in the works, well to me anyway.

[Arcanum]

There are a million less fetishy outfits that could be used to convey vulnerability.

Name one that someone won't find sexual or attractive.

e- or hilariously out of place.

[synkr0nized]

Honestly I can see what they might have been trying to do. Which was showing that nothing is ever what it seems. The hero is pined down by the mooks, only to turn out the hero is not so helpless.

That's the hero? I thought she was one of the "psychos" that the squad shown at the end -- the one the hero will likely be recruited into or already be in at the start of the game -- has been dispatched to handle, seeing as the police forces at the scene are likely very dead in the next few seconds, if not immediately when she closed her eyes.

[Arcanum]

Synk, Kyanbu doesn't know what he's talking about.

When you start the game you’ll create a character from the ground up and then experience Night City as a totally open world setting. CD Projekt RED seems committed to providing as few obstacles to exploring the setting as possible.

From here. (http://ca.ign.com/articles/2013/01/10/cyberpunk-2077-cd-projekt-reds-open-world-sci-fi-epic)

[Kyanbu The Legend]

Ah my mistake then.

Name one that someone won't find sexual or attractive.

e- or hilariously out of place.

Casual Civilian clothing can help achieve this.

[Kim]

Name one that someone won't find sexual or attractive.

e- or hilariously out of place.

The outfit she's wearing is intended to be fetishy. That was the intent behind the design. One look at it makes that evident.

I'm done wasting my time trying to convince sexists that sexism is happening, tho. You seem perfectly happy to defend and reinforce it so I'll just pretend you don't exist from now on.

[Nique]

Surely as reasonable people who can agree on the essential, if not literal, meaning of words used in language, we can agree that the this clip is utilizing sex to advertise the game? The suggestion that the outfit and pose of the character in question isn't meant to tantalize male heterosexual viewers is frankly ridiculous.

EDIT: I said this (http://www.nuklearforums.com/showpost.php?p=1205415&postcount=185) a while back and I think it bears repeating. I was talking about violence and the CoD series specifically, but it applies to images of women (and men) and sex in video games as well.

Part of the problem is, I think, that we're experiencing a bit of a cultural backlash. 'Gamers' have for so long been forced into defending their past time against accusations of it's corrupting influence that it's probably easy to be dismissive towards any genuine criticism of the media.

Like, here let's just lay this out there: Violence and sex, among other things, in video games are a problem. But not for the reason your Jack Thompsons have been saying for the last 20-30 years. Those are censorship arguments that challenge free speech issues and they're basically wrong. But the use of violence, sexuality, etc, in video games can and does send certain messages about how we as a culture view women, minorities, gender roles, and in this case, warfare and politics. Some of those messages are demonstrably problematic.

The ad we're looking at juxtaposes a women being sexualized with her also being dangerous. Now, being sexualized ain't so bad! But HOW is she being sexualized? Well, for one thing a skimpy outfit tends to contribute to women being objectified. Not always, but it's a factor. Also, she's in a very vulnerable position, like, she is straight up being brutalized in this scene and we're ostensibly supposed to be attracted to what's happening in this scene (like, this is a pretty beautiful looking ad, you have to admit).

These represent problematic things! Why is this ad trying to turn me on TO THE FACT that this character is being attacked?

[Ramary]

Duh.

It is a trailer everything about it is meant to advertise.

GUNS. CYBORGS. BOOLETS. SLOOOOWWWWWWW MMMOOOOOOOO. TITS.

I mean you get more attention with breasts then a proper all rounded female character, mainly cause you can't get one of them good females interesting enough in the span of a trailer, so TITS.

[Nique]

I guess what I'm saying is that using sex to sell is (probably) fine but the way in which it is done should leave the person being sexualized with their agency/ consent in tact. This ad doesn't do that.

[Kim]

Most instances of sexualizing women's bodies to sell stuff is sexist in the current culture.

[Arcanum]

To clarify on my earlier points, I was forever and always addressing the woman's state of undress, not the sexualization. Is the state of undress sexist? No. Is the way they portrayed her undress sexist? Yes. In hindsight I should have clarified this, but I was preoccupied with other matters while writing those posts (note to self: Don't multitask when posting on NPF because then you're gonna have a bad time).

This post:
Name one that someone won't find sexual or attractive.

e- or hilariously out of place.

was both calling out your hyperbole and a jab at the fact that basically anything else can be sexualized easily. Once again, in hindsight, it was a poorly made post.

I'm done wasting my time trying to convince sexists that sexism is happening, tho. You seem perfectly happy to defend and reinforce it so I'll just pretend you don't exist from now on.

Still I'm glad to see that you're willing to make assumptions and jump to conclusions and, when all else fails, go "blah blah blah I can't hear you, surely this will solve sexism." Kudos.

[Nique]

Most instances of sexualizing women's bodies to sell stuff is sexist in the current culture.

Totally.

It's probably just that it's a little easier for me to entertain hypotheticals in these types of discussions cause the amount of derailing that causes hasn't driven me totally mad yet.

[Aldurin]

Interested, but I'll have to see how the mechanics go since if it's cutscene-level rendering, it may as well be a movie trailer for the functional end of the result. It sort of gives me the same initial vibe as Dishonored, where the talk is they're going for a unique setting and open gameplay mechanics, but the hype always outruns the actuality and the novelty of it all wears off quickly after I start playing it. Dishonored was a good game, though it still felt like "linear with some more wiggle-room to feign open-world gameplay" functionally and the extent of the setting quickly became a dog chasing it's own tail over the same few driving details of the world from a stylistic standpoint.

Basically I'm wary but keeping an eye on it.

[Bells]

Actually, in certain points of the trailer i was not sure if it was all CG... i think they mixed CG with game assets there. I mean, again, Witcher looks prety freaking awesome... CD Projekt can do some really cool looking stuff.

Of course this is not looking like the final product... but even so, i know this company knows how to deal with the cool looking stuff, all i want to see now is how they focus on gameplay and what they are bringing from the "pen and paper" aspect

[The Artist Formerly Known as Hawk]

I'm wary of any game whose first trailer is entirely CGI. Give me some actual gameplay footage and then we'll talk. That said, the concept is interesting enough, however I do hope we're not shoehorned into being the cops, some of us actually like playing the power hungry maniacs at times. Though it's being described as a free-roaming rpg so I'd imagine that means either side is playable.

[Bells]

these days they make CG`s that look just like Gameplay footage exactly cause of that... i loved the Watch Dogs presentation on this E3, but if someone told me that it was an interactive cutscene i would totally believe it.

Game trailers with not gameplay footage is a no go for me 100% of the time, but if it`s just a teaser, i`m ok with it. Cause the game is still pretty early in development...

[Azisien]

It's a teaser, they'll show off gameplay soon enough.

The teaser was pretty obviously hyper-sexualized so anybody not seeing that should try adjusting their perception. If the scythe lady had at least been wearing some booty shorts instead of straight up panties we could have conjectured it was just a night at the club until the scythes started flying, but as it was... Yeah.

None of which is enough to shift my interest in an otherwise promising game, gosh I love sci-fi, but at least know what it is.

[Flarecobra]

Put me in the "Show me some gameplay, and we'll talk." camp there.

[Azisien]

I heard they are, probably, announcing Witcher 3 shortly. So we might see some gameplay from either of them with that announcement.

[Krylo]

Name: Cyberpunk 2077
Okay, cool. I like cyberpunk. When done well.
Description: Open world RPG with more basis on form than function.
Well, getting kind of of interested now.
Creators: Witcher and Witcher 2. AKA RapeMcGrimDark the RPG with a side of Sex Card collecting and 'choices' which make no sense, are entirely binary leaving me with little room for doing what I actually want, and have consequences that make even less sense.

Welp, fuck this game then.

Edit: The teaser was pretty obviously hyper-sexualized so anybody not seeing that should try adjusting their perception. If the scythe lady had at least been wearing some booty shorts instead of straight up panties we could have conjectured it was just a night at the club until the scythes started flying, but as it was... Yeah.

If you pay attention to the background, I'm pretty sure Scythe-Lady is on a poster, so it seems like she was probably a stripper or burlesque actress before flipping out and going murdercrazy.

So you know, woman expressing sexuality turns into murder beast.

Take that as you will.

Which should be poorly. Just for the record.

Edit 2: Poster is at 44 seconds.

Also@People saying she killed everyone after, note when she puts on the helmet at the end her head is apparently shaven and she's in some kind of transport with the guy who had the gun to the back of her head.

[Bells]

If you pay attention to the background, I'm pretty sure Scythe-Lady is on a poster, so it seems like she was probably a stripper or burlesque actress before flipping out and going murdercrazy.

So you know, woman expressing sexuality turns into murder beast.

Take that as you will.

Which should be poorly. Just for the record.

Edit 2: Poster is at 44 seconds.

You really think it`s her?! I would just take that as any other blonde model with wavy hair really...

Also, why stripper or Burlesque dancer?! Why can`t she be a Model (Lingerie or Not) or even just a clubber girl? Hell, maybe she is just a psychopath that kills for money and uses the money to make herself prettier with implants and augmentation.... Style over Substance is a core Theme here.

Also, as you guys keep mentioned the card collecting stuff from Witcher 1... they removed that for Witcher 2 y`know... they actually did it for it being a bad thing that added nothing to the actual game and because people were against it.

[Azisien]

If you pay attention to the background, I'm pretty sure Scythe-Lady is on a poster, so it seems like she was probably a stripper or burlesque actress before flipping out and going murdercrazy.

So you know, woman expressing sexuality turns into murder beast.

Take that as you will.

Which should be poorly. Just for the record.

Edit 2: Poster is at 44 seconds.

Also@People saying she killed everyone after, note when she puts on the helmet at the end her head is apparently shaven and she's in some kind of transport with the guy who had the gun to the back of her head.

Ah, thought you initially meant the other poster at the start, which was I think a different woman. I didn't catch the one at 44 seconds.

Anyway, the lack of gameplay footage is the biggest negative, the hypersexualization is a small negative. Neither outweighs my positives of science fiction, cyberpunk, and I like the games this company makes. Including Witcher, for all its faults.

Also, my interpretation of the footage is a little different. I think the "woman expressing sexuality turns violent, men subdue her" thing is a stretch. It's not wrong, but I think the idea here is far more simplistic. Cyborg lady going crazy, artist team makes her attractive and risque. My heterosexual male mind actually saw the horrible murder scene first, and linked that to the police opening fire, not her clothing or posture. Could have been a dude doing it and I would have reacted the same way, except without a small voice in my head that whispers "yo, animated boobs, dudebro."

All of which is NOT to say, again, it is not using sexuality to try and entice the audience. It is. But where that is an immediate deal-breaker for some people, it is not for me. React poorly, yes, shun entire operation, nope.

[Bells]

All said and done, i think Dead island probably broke us all regarding trust to CGI trailers fo games...

[Krylo]

Also, my interpretation of the footage is a little different. I think the "woman expressing sexuality turns violent, men subdue her" thing is a stretch. It's not wrong, but I think the idea here is far more simplistic. Cyborg lady going crazy, artist team makes her attractive and risque. My heterosexual male mind actually saw the horrible murder scene first, and linked that to the police opening fire, not her clothing or posture.

See this is all accurate, and it's possible the feminine sexuality -> evil thing wasn't actually, consciously, intended, but the clothing and posture and sexualizing her was and regardless of whether it's the first thing you think it is doing what Liz was talking about.

But back to the feminine sexuality -> evil, the problem with it getting through, even if not consciously done by the art team--like maybe they weren't thinking that and were just, put her in front of a burlesque club 'cause it makes sense with her dressed that way that this is what she was doing (why else would she be wearing that out and about?), however, regardless of what they were thinking, feminine sexuality being evil is a thing in our culture and our society, and when art plays into that whether, consciously or subconsciously, it needs to be called out.

It needs to be called out because, firstly, when it's called out it allows people to process it as what it is instead of internalizing it subconsciously. Like you said, you don't really think about it, but you're still seeing that and you see it a A LOT, because we all see it a lot, every woman in a horror movie (never have sex because you will die to a horrible monster), to action movies (the villainous woman is almost always more sultry than the heroine who is 'innocent' and pure), to, well all movies, TV, and video games really.

And when you see something that pervasively in culture it does have an effect on you, and by calling it out and saying, yo, this shit be whack dog, it gives you, me, and everyone else a chance to not be affected by it and to snap out of (some of) the conditioning we go through by society and culture.

It also serves to tell the people doing it that it's not cool and allows them to recognize what they're doing if they don't recognize it already.

Like, I hated the Witcher so I'm probably not gonna touch this thing ANYWAY so I don't even need to worry about whether the problematic content of the ads (and probably the game, I mean WITCHEEEEERRR) are enough to not buy the game, 'cause everything else is probably gonna make me want to murder babies anyway.

I'm just like, pointing out the issue with having this woman, who is most likely of that profession, turning into a violent murderer, vis a vis societal standards and cultural mores.

[synkr0nized]

Also@People saying she killed everyone after, note when she puts on the helmet at the end her head is apparently shaven and she's in some kind of transport with the guy who had the gun to the back of her head.

My mistake, then. I thought that was a different woman, and they were on their way to the scene.

The description does say "how the Psycho Squad might acquire a new member", though, so I shouldn't have drawn that conclusion.

[Bells]

My mistake, then. I thought that was a different woman, and they were on their way to the scene.

The description does say "how the Psycho Squad might acquire a new member", though, so I shouldn't have drawn that conclusion.

That particular part made me think "Syndicate" right there... the good one. The old one.

[Amake]

All of it is making me think of Shadowrun, which could be good cause I've played the SNES one to death. But, yeah, because of the advertising I'm going to not buy it unless and until it's proven itself to be a timeless classic that can stand on its own without relying on teh sexy. If you can still get it in five or ten years, then I'll know it's probably worth playing.

(This formula could probably be applied to a lot of games I just realized.)

[Krylo]

Try the Genesis one, Amake.

It's totes boss as well.