Capcom Ruins Everything

[Arcanum]

Many of you remember Dragon's Dogma, or "That game that was fucking amazing, let's pray Capcom doesn't shoot themselves in the foot before they make a sequel."

Well guess what. They fucking shot themselves in the foot.

Following in the same vein of Street Fighter IV, Super Street Fighter IV, and Super Street Fighter IV Arcade Edition, the upcoming alleged "DLC" for Dragon's Dogma, Dark Arisen, will be a re-released full version of the game with additional content!

Here's some (http://www.digitalspy.ca/gaming/news/a453303/dragons-dogma-dark-arisen-releasing-in-april-new-story-trailer.html) news articles. (http://ca.ign.com/articles/2013/01/23/dragons-dogma-dark-arisen-release-date-and-details-revealed?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+ign%2Fnews+(IGN+All+News)) Much better source than those other two links (http://www.capcom-unity.com/neilgortz/blog/2013/01/23/delve-deep-into-terror-with-dragons-dogma-dark-arisen-this-april)

The game will cost $20 $40 USD, and will be available digitally and as a physical disc on the PS3, and only as a physical disc on the 360 (a "Games on Demand" version will be on the 360 in the future).

All Capcom had to do was release this as $10 downloadable DLC. But no, they have to keep going with their asinine concept of re-releasing games.

I hate Capcom. I hate them so much.

[Bells]

And no fucking Pc Version....

...god damn it Capcom. I wanted to protect you, i want to say good things about you... but God Fucking dammit STOP EATING THE DRYWALL!

[Locke cole]

At least it's not the price of a full game.

[Azisien]

Thread title correction: Capcom continues to ruin everything. No one surprised.

[Arcanum]

The thread title was more of an affirmation than a breaking news update.

[Kyanbu The Legend]

Whelp, saw it coming. Was hoping with how they handle SFxTekken's update, that they learned that people don't like buying the same game again. But apparantly that's not the case.

Thank god I'm use to Capcom shooting themselves silly with every bad decision.

Here's hoping their new line of MM games don't suffer the same fate.

[Solid Snake]

Saves from the previous game can be carried over and owners of the original title who purchase Dark Arisen will receive 100,000 Rift Crystals, unlimited Ferrystones and the Gransys Armour Pack consisting of six brand new costumes. Dark Arisen will also introduce an easier travel system along with simplified menus, which will be retrofitted to the original game when purchased.

...Sounds like Dark Arisen just includes the original game for new players so they can catch up without buying the original title too. But purchasing it will just install new content if you've already installed the original game. (Hence the 'retrofitting.') Plus, there are incentives for purchasers of the original game to buy the DLC. Save states carry over, tons of rift crystals and unlimited Ferrystones.

If the expansion content is substantial and significant enough to justify the price, I don't see the issue here at all.

[Kyanbu The Legend]

Keyword "IF".


With Capcom, it could go either way.

[Azisien]

On the other hand, I bought both Dead Rising 2 and Dead Rising 2: Off the Record. Both on day one. Is Capcom the real enemy here?

[Karrrrrrrrrrrresche]

They did this with Dead Rising Off the Record as well. Moronic and ridiculous.

[Arcanum]

New underground realm to explore featuring over 25 new enemies
More skills/equipment/augments:
Level 3 Skills
DD:DA provides each character class with a new tier of skills, giving players new devastating abilities and skills to master
Over 100 pieces of new equipment
All-new high-level weapons and armor sets for players venturing into the underground caverns
14 new character/Pawn augments
New tiers of equipment enhancement
Increased character customisation options
Item appraisal
Option to select Japanese voiceover



That's all the new content. And the latest trailer makes the "new underground area" seem like a new Everfall floor(s) (Of course I could be wrong).

All in all it sounds like $10 DLC material. And they have no reason to not release the additional content as DLC alongside the re-release.

And Capcom has a history of re-releasing games, which is something that should not be condoned or defended. It's bad enough they get away with it with fighters (not to mention the same shit happens with sports games and call of duty).

[Marc v4.0]

...Sounds like Dark Arisen just includes the original game for new players so they can catch up without buying the original title too. But purchasing it will just install new content if you've already installed the original game. (Hence the 'retrofitting.') Plus, there are incentives for purchasers of the original game to buy the DLC. Save states carry over, tons of rift crystals and unlimited Ferrystones.

If the expansion content is substantial and significant enough to justify the price, I don't see the issue here at all.

Yeah, I'm with Snake on this one, really. You people have a pretty odd description of 'Ruins Everything'

[Solid Snake]

Keyword "IF".


With Capcom, it could go either way.

Based on the description provided it certainly sounds like they're adding more content than the typical $5 or $10 DLC.

...But I really don't see the issue here unless the 'retrofitting' doesn't work and installing Dark Arisen essentially means having two Dragon's Dogmas on your Hard Drive. (Even then, presumably, you just delete the original DD content without deleting the original DD saves, and your original saves carry over.)

The way this would really be a ripoff is if Capcom forced folks who already played DD to replay the original game because save states from DD wouldn't carry over to Dark Arisen. That would be ridiculous. That's what I initially thought Capcom must've been doing when I first glanced at this thread. Turns out it's not what they're doing at all.

As is for new gamers it's a net positive that a recently released title is included along with the expansion as something of a bonus. The key question is whether the new Expansion content (and the new tweaks like an easier fast travel system that would apply to the original game) justifies the higher price tag. We don't know that yet, but it's possible it will, and if it does then Dark Arisen will actually be one of the best value deals for newcomers I've seen in this generation's DLC and still be worth it for the Vets. And if the DLC turns out to be really shitty, you probably wouldn't buy it in the first place, and it won't stop you from enjoying the original DD content.

In the scheme of things Capcom's down a lot of things lately that are far worse than this (see: that 3DS Resident Evil game.)

[Arcanum]

I admit this is great for new players, and people who haven't played Dragon's Dogma should definitely do so and this will be great for them.

However, this is still a massive slap in the face to the roughly one million people (www.eurogamer.net/articles/2012-07-30-dragons-dogma-scales-reach-1-05-million-units) who already purchased DD.

Like I said in my previous post, there is no reason for them to not release the additional content as DLC.

[Solid Snake]

That's all the new content. And the latest trailer makes the "new underground area" seem like a new Everfall floor(s) (Of course I could be wrong).

All in all it sounds like $10 DLC material. And they have no reason to not release the additional content as downloadable DLC alongside the re-release.

And Capcom has a history of re-releasing games, which is something that should not be condoned or defended. It's bad enough they get away with it with fighters (not to mention the same shit happens with sports games and call of duty).

At worst, you're saying that Capcom is charging $10 more than they should to folks who already own DD, while giving newcomers who don't own DD one of the best deals this console generation. That's your worst-case scenario here, and it already assumes that the DLC content has a $10 pricetag value.

I mean, I've paid $10 for some craptastic DLC. Tales of Graces, which is a phenomenal game, asks you to pay $10 just to access a few costumes. Here we're being promised new enemies, a new island to explore, increased ease of access and fast travel that will apply even to replays of the original title, new costumes, free ferrystones and rift crystals...I mean, this sounds like it has the potential to be a legitimate old-school style expansion.

It may not be, in which case it's just disappointing overpriced DLC. But the whole "re-releasing Dragon's Dogma and including it with the DLC" argument is a terribad one. It's something that's a huge net gain to encourage new players to join in. It's not hurting you as a DD veteran unless the new content doesn't justify the pricetag.

EDIT: You seem to be assuming that Dark Arisen would be worth less than $20 if it wasn't packaged with the original game, and therefore Capcom's gouging veterans by overcharging them for a second copy of the original game. But, isn't that what the extra incentives (ferrystones, rift crystals, costumes) are for? And who's to say that Capcom didn't value the Dark Arisen expansion on its own as worth $20 in value, but just tossed in the main game for free to encourage newcomers to join in and increase the userbase?

...Would you have been this angry if Capcom packaged Dark Arisen as just a DLC, without the original game, but still charged $20 and instead advocated that the DLC was worth the $20 pricetag? Wouldn't you then say something like, "Let's wait and see, after the reviews are out we can determine whether Capcom overcharged or not?" There's nothing different here.

[Kyanbu The Legend]

Based on the description provided it certainly sounds like they're adding more content than the typical $5 or $10 DLC.

...But I really don't see the issue here unless the 'retrofitting' doesn't work and installing Dark Arisen essentially means having two Dragon's Dogmas on your Hard Drive. (Even then, presumably, you just delete the original DD content without deleting the original DD saves, and your original saves carry over.)

The way this would really be a ripoff is if Capcom forced folks who already played DD to replay the original game because save states from DD wouldn't carry over to Dark Arisen. That would be ridiculous. That's what I initially thought Capcom must've been doing when I first glanced at this thread. Turns out it's not what they're doing at all.

As is for new gamers it's a net positive that a recently released title is included along with the expansion as something of a bonus. The key question is whether the new Expansion content (and the new tweaks like an easier fast travel system that would apply to the original game) justifies the higher price tag. We don't know that yet, but it's possible it will, and if it does then Dark Arisen will actually be one of the best value deals for newcomers I've seen in this generation's DLC and still be worth it for the Vets. And if the DLC turns out to be really shitty, you probably wouldn't buy it in the first place, and it won't stop you from enjoying the original DD content.

In the scheme of things Capcom's down a lot of things lately that are far worse than this (see: that 3DS Resident Evil game.)

Honestly while you have a point, this is still capcom, the same company that sold the Japanese MM fanbase a rereleased MMBN1 with a few perks and disgused it as a new "cross-over" game sold at full price. Thankfully, that thing never saw the light of day over seas.

I want Capcom to be awesome-ish again as much as the next guy but I'm not going to hold my breath on anything just yet. Not till they're on a roll again.

[Arcanum]

EDIT: You seem to be assuming that Dark Arisen would be worth less than $20 if it wasn't packaged with the original game, and therefore Capcom's gouging veterans by overcharging them for a second copy of the original game. But, isn't that what the extra incentives (ferrystones, rift crystals, costumes) are for? And who's to say that Capcom didn't value the Dark Arisen expansion on its own as worth $20 in value, but just tossed in the main game for free to encourage newcomers to join in and increase the userbase?

...Would you have been this angry if Capcom packaged Dark Arisen as just a DLC, without the original game, but still charged $20 and instead advocated that the DLC was worth the $20 pricetag? Wouldn't you then say something like, "Let's wait and see, after the reviews are out we can determine whether Capcom overcharged or not?" There's nothing different here.

Yes, I would be just as angry. It's not hard to look at a list of content and judge its relative worth.

Your faith in Capcom is nice, but hilariously naive. They have a history of pulling this kind of bullshit. It's not acceptable.

[Solid Snake]

Your faith in Capcom is nice, but hilariously naive. They have a history of pulling this kind of bullshit. It's not acceptable.

Uhh, no. I'm going to say a big fat "no" on this one.

The new content is:

* New location to explore. Presumably new missions and whatnot, too. The two articles linked to seem to disagree as to whether it's underground or on an island. Maybe both.
* Streamlining fast travel for both the expansion and the original game.
* New tier of abilities for every class, and for the pawns too.
* 25 new enemies with new attacks and abilities to fight.
* Lots of new equipment.
* Better menu and interface.
* Japanese voiceovers available.
* The original game is included for newcomers which is a fucking insanely awesome deal for them.
* The vets get free ferrystones and rift crystals 'instead', which are actually items being sold right now in the DD section of the store.
* All the new features are accessible with original save files. Furthermore, the new content doesn't just apply to the expansion, but to any theoretical replay you attempt of the original game.

By contrast, let's look at some DLC provided by other companies that aren't Capcom:

* Far Cry 3 is charging $10 to unlock six new missions, four rare animals to hunt and a new weapon.
* Assassin's Creed 3 is charging $29.99 for the Tyranny of King George extra content.
* Dead Island charges $10 to access "four arenas" of, uhh, fighting waves of zombies.
* FFXIII-2 charges $3 per costume (with enough optional costumes to buy for Noel, Serah, and Mog to easily eclipse $20.) Plus, to unlock a SINGLE new boss in the Coliseum costs $2. A SINGLE new weapon unlock is $1.
* Mass Effect 3's Omega expansion costs $15 and it's not that long. Hell, you don't even get new content with any of Shepard's squadmates there. It's a few new missions tied together with a single storyline. Want to get a few new weapons and costumes with that expansion? You're paying over $20.
* Unlocking a few new vehicles in Saints Row the Third cost $3 apiece, with total costs of unlocking several costumes, vehicles and weapons approaching $20 fast before you even get to new missions.
* New TAUNTS for multiplayer cost $1 each in Uncharted 3. A single new multiplayer mode costs $6. Individual pieces of a single cowboy outfit for your multiplayer avatar will cost a net total of more than $6 if you purchase them all. There are 333 add-ons total.
* Individual costumes for characters in Tales of Graces cost $4 apiece. To purchase an outfit for every character in any given party would cost $16. That's $16 for four goddamn costumes.

...And you think THIS is an example of Capcom at its worst? This is a far better DLC deal than most the ones I'm seeing on the Playstation Store.

[Grandmaster_Skweeb]

Monster Hunter Frontier Online is likely never to cross the great pond. Therefore, capcom is and always will be terrible.

/end thread.

[Azisien]

Since I'm pro-murdering all physical publishing of games, every time a physical game is published or re-published with new content, it ruins everything. Everything gets ruined all the time though, so who cares.

I didn't play the original Dragon's Dogma, so I guess this little bundle is actually great for me. Despite whoever's misgivings at the move, they probably just made a sale thanks to this thread.

[Kyanbu The Legend]

Eh that can back fire horribily. But that's not worth getting into right now. Least not in this thread.

[Arcanum]

Uhh, no. I'm going to say a big fat "no" on this one.

The new content is:

* New location to explore. Presumably new missions and whatnot, too. The two articles linked to seem to disagree as to whether it's underground or on an island. Maybe both. Latest trailer shows solely underground areas, implies heavily it takes place in the Everfall Rewatched the trailer, I'm somewhat mistaken. Gonna go with "wait and see" in regards to the new area
* Streamlining fast travel for both the expansion and the original game. Could have been done via patch
* New tier of abilities for every class, and for the pawns too. Every skill gets a new level, meaning damage boost and maybe an extra effect if you're lucky
* 25 new enemies with new attacks and abilities to fight. Pretty rad
* Lots of new equipment. Equipment is a broad term and includes head, chest, leg, gloves, boots, under-chest, shoulder, utility armor slots, plus weapons for every class. Could easily be done via DLC or content patch
* Better menu and interface. Pretty rad
* Japanese voiceovers available. Pretty rad if you're into that
* The original game is included for newcomers which is a fucking insanely awesome deal for them. Pretty rad
* The vets get free ferrystones and rift crystals 'instead', which are actually items being sold right now in the DD section of the store. Considering how easy it is to get money in the endgame of DD, and how easy it is to buy the max amount of rift crystals and more ferrystones than you will ever need, not as big of a deal as you're making it out to be
* All the new features are accessible with original save files. Furthermore, the new content doesn't just apply to the expansion, but to any theoretical replay you attempt of the original game. Can be done via DLC

Added my thoughts in bold underline. As for the other half of your post, and I mean this in the most polite way possible, no fucking shit other companies have done more idiotic things with DLC. This may surprise you, but just because I made a thread hating on Capcom's idiotic policies doesn't mean I approve of every other type of DLC. This also isn't a thread about Capcom being at their worst. This is a thread about Capcom slapping Dragon's Dogma fans right in the face.

I am still excited to see how the DLC fares, and what exactly it holds. That doesn't mean I'm not allowed to be angry at Capcom for doing stupid shit.


I didn't play the original Dragon's Dogma, so I guess this little bundle is actually great for me. Despite whoever's misgivings at the move, they probably just made a sale thanks to this thread.

Mission accomplished.

edit-
Trailer in question (I also revised one of my points above after rewatching it)

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[Marc v4.0]

I don't feel slapped in the face by one iota. I think Capcom, if it's worth the price, has done a damn good turn as far as treating fans of DD. I mean, hate on them for their shitty practices when they happen, but don't hate on them when they actually do something decent just because "Lawl, Capcom."

[Krylo]

Uhh, no. I'm going to say a big fat "no" on this one.

The new content is:

* New location to explore. Presumably new missions and whatnot, too. The two articles linked to seem to disagree as to whether it's underground or on an island. Maybe both. Latest trailer shows solely underground areas, implies heavily it takes place in the Everfall Rewatched the trailer, I'm somewhat mistaken. Gonna go with "wait and see" in regards to the new area
* Streamlining fast travel for both the expansion and the original game. Could have been done via patch
* New tier of abilities for every class, and for the pawns too. Every skill gets a new level, meaning damage boost and maybe an extra effect if you're lucky
* 25 new enemies with new attacks and abilities to fight. Pretty rad
* Lots of new equipment. Equipment is a broad term and includes head, chest, leg, gloves, boots, under-chest, shoulder, utility armor slots, plus weapons for every class. Could easily be done via DLC or content patch
* Better menu and interface. Pretty rad
* Japanese voiceovers available. Pretty rad if you're into that
* The original game is included for newcomers which is a fucking insanely awesome deal for them. Pretty rad
* The vets get free ferrystones and rift crystals 'instead', which are actually items being sold right now in the DD section of the store. Considering how easy it is to get money in the endgame of DD, and how easy it is to buy the max amount of rift crystals and more ferrystones than you will ever need, not as big of a deal as you're making it out to be
* All the new features are accessible with original save files. Furthermore, the new content doesn't just apply to the expansion, but to any theoretical replay you attempt of the original game. Can be done via DLCAdded my thoughts in bold underline.
Just curious here: How is "Could have been done as DLC" a negative when we're talking about a thing that's being done as DLC?

Like it sounds like you'd rather this be like 2-5 $5 dollar DLCs and then a $10-15 DLC on top of it, instead of 1 $20 dollar DLC?

[Solid Snake]

I am still excited to see how the DLC fares, and what exactly it holds. That doesn't mean I'm not allowed to be angry at Capcom for doing stupid shit.

My point is that Capcom really isn't doing anything differently with this DLC than every other gaming company out there.
In fact, the irony here that I've been trying to point out is that Dark Arisen is actually a much *better* DLC bargain than the models employed by a lot of other companies for a lot of other games. If anything this is a positive sign that should be applauded on Capcom's part, they actually seem to be learning.

For $20, you're getting a lot more here than you're getting with $20 applied towards DLC for most other AAA games on the market. That's particularly true for newcomers to DD, who are getting the full game and its expansion for $20 less than a year after its release. Granted, if the expansion sucks, than its an awful DLC regardless of the content that's been promised, but we can't know that right now based on a single trailer or "Capcom's past reputation." It's certainly purporting to offer sufficient quantity; it's the quality of the content that remains in doubt.

So you're upset with Capcom in the one instance when you shouldn't be upset with Capcom. So upset in fact that you've created a thread entitled "Capcom ruins everything" when this extra content sure as heck isn't 'ruining' Dragon's Dogma. You're letting anger for Capcom's prior decisions effect your ability to objectively analyze what's going on here.

TLDR: This is an average-at-worst, above-average-at-best DLC deal for veterans of Dragon's Dogma. It's a phenomenal deal for newcomers to the game. At the very least, it should encourage a lot more purchases, which means a lot more pawn usage and a much more vibrant community. The original post here seems to be off in some parallel universe wherein this is the worst thing that could possibly happen for Dragon's Dogma fans. That's simply not true.

[Marc v4.0]

Just curious here: How is "Could have been done as DLC" a negative when we're talking about a thing that's being done as DLC?

Like it sounds like you'd rather this be like 2-5 $5 dollar DLCs and then a $10-15 DLC on top of it, instead of 1 $20 dollar DLC?

And the complaint would have then been Capcom nickle and diming users for features that could have easily been released as an expansion! ::V:

[Arcanum]

Just curious here: How is "Could have been done as DLC" a negative when we're talking about a thing that's being done as DLC?

Like it sounds like you'd rather this be like 2-5 $5 dollar DLCs and then a $10-15 DLC on top of it, instead of 1 $20 dollar DLC?

The implication was that those things can be delivered to players via download instead of necessitating re-buying the game.

But since apparently I haven't said this enough in this thread so far:

The additional content should be released as downloadable content alongside the re-release containing both the additional content and the original game. This would let people who already own the game purchase the content that they want at a lower price, since they wouldn't have to buy the game they already own a second time.

And Capcom doesn't want to do that which is why they are Satan. (p.s. that's a hyperbole since apparently I need to point these out)

[Solid Snake]

The additional content should be released as downloadable content alongside the re-release containing both the additional content and the original game. This would let people who already own the game purchase the content that they want at a lower price, since they wouldn't have to buy the game they already own a second time.


Didn't I address that earlier? You're discounting the possibility that Capcom sincerely believes the new content alone is worth $20 -- or very close to it -- and in that case they are essentially tossing in the original game in an effort to expand the Dragon's Dogma community.

At worst, it might be, what -- an extra $5 or so for the ferrystones and the rift crystals that you might not want? But expansions that offer a comparatively broad amount of content for a higher price often include content that I personally wouldn't want to pay for if they were offered individually.

And you're not even sure right now whether this expansion might actually be great enough in quality to merit the price Capcom's asking for it. Based on the amount of content they're promising, it certainly isn't impossible for the additional content alone to justify a $20 purchase.

[Bells]

No... Capcom is just reveling on their own Bullshit again and being terrible. This is really all there is to it. From DLC on the disc, to rehashed games with extra sprinkles... it's a bad practice and they are on the cutting edge of it.

[Azisien]

Okay thread in review:

- This seems like a great deal for newcomers.

- It probably should be digital DLC because hello, 2013, and also that's just additional exposure/convenience for current owners. But the fact that it isn't is really just wasteful or shortsighted, if anything, not really all that bad.

[Solid Snake]

No... Capcom is just reveling on their own Bullshit again and being terrible. This is really all there is to it. From DLC on the disc, to rehashed games with extra sprinkles... it's a bad practice and they are on the cutting edge of it.

Isn't the content offered digitally on PS3?

[Arcanum]

Okay thread in review:

- This seems like a great deal for newcomers.

- It probably should be digital DLC because hello, 2013, and also that's just additional exposure/convenience for current owners. But the fact that it isn't is really just wasteful or shortsighted, if anything, not really all that bad.

Azis wins the prize.

Isn't the content offered digitally on PS3?

They offer the entire thing, the exact same as the physical retail disc version, on PSN 'cause they(PSN) have been doing that a lot with games recently. It'll be available digitally on XBL through Games on Demand some time after launch, but again, it's the same thing.

[Marc v4.0]

So, Azis wins the prize of completely proving you wrong? Correct me if I am wrong (actually, don't, because I am already correct so it would be rude to do so) but isn't "Wasteful, Shortsighted, but not all that bad" completely different than "Capcom are Satan!"?

I think it is. If you look close enough, and really think about it, I think you will see that it is, too.

[Arcanum]

And Capcom doesn't want to do that which is why they are Satan. (p.s. that's a hyperbole since apparently I need to point these out)

Well I was wrong. Pointing it out does nothing.

edit- THE PLOT THICKENS. (http://www.capcom-unity.com/neilgortz/blog/2013/01/23/delve-deep-into-terror-with-dragons-dogma-dark-arisen-this-april)

Finally was assed to do some more digging around for source material since the articles I read refused to put an actual source link. That above link was courtesy of DD's Facebook page. (http://www.facebook.com/dragonsdogma?ref=ts&fref=ts)

In North America Dragon’s Dogma: Dark Arisen will be available at retail stores for Xbox 360 and PlayStation 3, and as a download from PlayStation Network on April 23, 2013 for $39.99.

Looks like this sweet deal just got a fistful of Capcom Satan magicks.

edit2- Azis also loses his prize in light of these recent developments, because it just went from "not being that bad" to "Capcom being shitty Capcom"

[Locke cole]

Meh. It just sounds like Street Fighter 2.

[Nikose Tyris]

...But nothing actually changed from what you said earlier. It's just repeating it.

I think I'm going to buy this; I put off buying DD for ages, so it just seems smart.

Thanks Snake for highlighting the selling points so clearly.

[Kyanbu The Legend]

God damn it, Capcom. It's like they're trying to piss people off now.

[Marc v4.0]

Ok, 20 bucks was a good deal all around, 40 bucks is only a good deal for new people. I'll wait till it drops to 20 bucks.

[Solid Snake]

...If it's $40 and not $20, and if there's no option available to download the expansion DLC separately, then yeah, it starts to look a lot more like a douche move from Capcom.

[Arcanum]

I take full responsibility for being dumb and trusting the first few sites to show up on google when I initially searched this instead of looking for an actual source.

People who have never purchased Dragon's Dogma before should still definitely buy this, because DD's a great game and even without the additional content $40 is a steal. The extra content and improvements will just make it even better.

[Grandmaster_Skweeb]

You guys honestly expected something outside of the norm of capcom gouging for shit they already released, with just a few bells and whistles and glitter sprinkled on top? They have a well established track record for doing this and raking in hand over fist, why stop now?

Silly silly people.

[Solid Snake]

You guys honestly expected something outside of the norm of capcom gouging for shit they already released, with just a few bells and whistles and glitter sprinkled on top? They have a well established track record for doing this and raking in hand over fist, why stop now?


I wanted to believe, Grandmaster Skweeb
I just wanted to believe in the decency of humanity for a change

[mauve]

Oh Capcom. How can you create such amazing games as Ghost Trick:Phantom Detective, the Phoenix Wright series, and Devil May Cry 1 and 3, and then turn around and do things like reselling a whole game with a few new features instead of offering it in both a DLC download and a full game version, like Batman Arkham Asylum/City did so that you can make money off new AND returning players while only -mildly- insulting either group.

Also, Capcom, I'm still unsure how I feel about this "DMC" nonsense in which Dante is a brunette and it's totally the Devil May Cry origin story even though there already WAS a very successful DMC origin story. I want to automatically hate it, but I haven't actually played it so I'll tone the hate down to mild disgust for now. (Seriously, DMC 3 was probaly the most popular and best executed game in the series. Why make a prequel to it when it's already a prequel? Is it retconning DMC3 away or is it an additional backstory? I don't even know.) So yeah. Totally off subject, but you still lose points for that too, Capcom.

[Azisien]

Well fuck that I'm not giving up my prize just because you folks can't read.

[Magus]

Once again being a cheap bastard pays off again!

Dishonored is I think literally the first non-Game of the Year edition game I've bought since Grand Theft Auto IV, I figured since I was getting it so cheap and that it was so great I wouldn't really regret paying another 20 down the road. Oh, and Assasin's Creed games but there are no Game of the Year editions of those still in print.

But anyway the bullshit they pulled with Street Fighter IV should have tipped everyone off, I would think...

EDIT: Wait, I bought Red Dead Redemption non-Game of the Year.

[Bells]

the second thing that bothers me (the first is that early adopters always get screwed by Capcom) is the fact that purchasing these "rehashes" encourages the company on keep going with the same practices over and over...

[Azisien]

Not only am I keeping my prize, but I'm not even gonna buy the game anymore. Forty bucks, forget that! I don't even care if it's Dragon's Dogma. Graphical featured release on PC with mod support, then maybe. Or $15-20 in the bargain bin on console.

[Arcanum]

Also, Capcom, I'm still unsure how I feel about this "DMC" nonsense in which Dante is a brunette and it's totally the Devil May Cry origin story even though there already WAS a very successful DMC origin story. I want to automatically hate it, but I haven't actually played it so I'll tone the hate down to mild disgust for now. (Seriously, DMC 3 was probaly the most popular and best executed game in the series. Why make a prequel to it when it's already a prequel? Is it retconning DMC3 away or is it an additional backstory? I don't even know.) So yeah. Totally off subject, but you still lose points for that too, Capcom.

I want to like DmC (ugh just typing it like that to reference the new one makes me sad) because Ninja Theory is awesome (Heavenly Sword and Enslaved are absolutely fantastic games, even with their flaws), but ugggghhhhh. Although critics have been liking it? I dunno. Hopefully them cashing in on the DMC name brand will let them create another new IP.

e- Azis I already donated your prize to charity. It was a pony. They may have used her to feed homeless children instead of letting them ride her.

[Kyanbu The Legend]

Oh Capcom. How can you create such amazing games as Ghost Trick:Phantom Detective, the Phoenix Wright series, and Devil May Cry 1 and 3, and then turn around and do things like reselling a whole game with a few new features instead of offering it in both a DLC download and a full game version, like Batman Arkham Asylum/City did so that you can make money off new AND returning players while only -mildly- insulting either group.

Also, Capcom, I'm still unsure how I feel about this "DMC" nonsense in which Dante is a brunette and it's totally the Devil May Cry origin story even though there already WAS a very successful DMC origin story. I want to automatically hate it, but I haven't actually played it so I'll tone the hate down to mild disgust for now. (Seriously, DMC 3 was probaly the most popular and best executed game in the series. Why make a prequel to it when it's already a prequel? Is it retconning DMC3 away or is it an additional backstory? I don't even know.) So yeah. Totally off subject, but you still lose points for that too, Capcom.

Okay time to explain the DMC thing.

Long story short, Capcom wanted to make a DMC5. But the creator of the series said no, he didn't want DMC to be milked. DMC4 was meant to be the last game in the series. No more after that.

Capcom says "no" and makes DMC5(a.k.a DmC) anyway. And uses it to reboot the series into something they can milk without legal issues. This is actually part of the reason why Dante's appearance was changed. Due to a potential lawsuit fomr the creator of the series whom apparantly owns Dante's likeness.

And as for his hair... it turns white at the end. So it'll be white in DmC2 onward.

As for the game itself, it's actually pretty damn good. My uncle picked it up and it's feeling pretty good so far. only complaint is that it's not ball busting hard like the original DMC games were.

[Arcanum]

Due to a potential lawsuit fomr the creator of the series whom apparantly owns Dante's likeness.

Don't they have a DLC costume pack coming out really soon that lets you look like the original Dante?

[Kyanbu The Legend]

I didn't know about that. I wonder if they either...

1. bought the rights to the character.
or
2. the creator of the series (sorry can't remember his name at the moment it's been awhile) ok'd it.

I could be wrong on this one. Either way, it's Capcom's attempt to shut the angry sonic fa- I mean DMC fanboys up.

Sorry it's just that after peeking into Gamefaqs for a bit, its hard to tell the 2 apart anymore.

[Magus]

Money talks, bullshit walks.

[Kim]

I doubt the creator owns the likeness. That's not how property rights for these things work. At all. Same for the series. Sounds like a bunch of fartz, Kyanbu.

What I would actually wager is that Capcom is involving western development studios to make games that appeal to western audiences more, because game development is getting fucks expensive and selling well in Japan simply isn't enough to recoup the costs and make a significant profit anymore on AAA titles. Capcom has actually trying to westernize their other games a lot as well.

That's all they did with DmC. They handed it to a western studio to westernize it so it would sell well and they could rake in cash moneys.

[Kyanbu The Legend]

I doubt the creator owns the likeness. That's not how property rights for these things work. At all. Same for the series. Sounds like a bunch of fartz, Kyanbu.

What I would actually wager is that Capcom is involving western development studios to make games that appeal to western audiences more, because game development is getting fucks expensive and selling well in Japan simply isn't enough to recoup the costs and make a significant profit anymore on AAA titles. Capcom has actually trying to westernize their other games a lot as well.

That's all they did with DmC. They handed it to a western studio to westernize it so it would sell well and they could rake in cash moneys.

Ah I see, my mistake then.

[Marc v4.0]

http://www.siliconera.com/2013/01/23/why-dragons-dogma-dark-arisen-is-a-40-retail-game/

So, hey, some interesting stuff in there!

[Arcanum]

So they couldn't release it as standalone content like Infamous 2's Blood Festival or RDR's Undead Nightmare, and just throw in the save import feature? Just sounds like they're trying to put out some fires because if they really wanted to release the content on its own they could have found a way.


In more DmC hilarity news: Yo dawg I heard you like prequels so we made a prequel to your prequel. (http://www.joystiq.com/2013/01/24/dmc-prequel-comic-the-chronicles-of-vergil-unleashes-first-dig/http://www.joystiq.com/2013/01/24/dmc-prequel-comic-the-chronicles-of-vergil-unleashes-first-dig/)

[Bells]

Dante`s hair turns white at the end of the new DMC? I thought it only turned white during the devil trigger (when he also gets the "blood coat" ) ...

Also, is the sequel to that game being called DMC 2: Run DMC?

Cause it`s just as stupid as the current "Devil May Cry: Devil May Cry"

PS: Also... wait for classic Dante to be a DLC Skin on this game....... just wait...

[Kyanbu The Legend]

DmC isn't a prequel, it's a reboot.

[Solid Snake]

http://www.siliconera.com/2013/01/23/why-dragons-dogma-dark-arisen-is-a-40-retail-game/

So, hey, some interesting stuff in there!

I don't understand how Capcom could claim that Dragon's Dogma wasn't designed to allow for DLC when there's already been DLC released for Dragon's Dogma.

[Nikose Tyris]

I don't understand how Capcom could claim that Dragon's Dogma wasn't designed to allow for DLC when there's already been DLC released for Dragon's Dogma.

I would be... remiss if I didn't explain that there is a difference between the DLC available and the addition of new maps and creatures. It could be that the team felt that releasing a console patch with so much heft onto the original game could cause instability and bugs. It's not something entirely new to my eyes- I did see it while working.

I'm not saying this is an actual thing with this title, but there has been previous issues.

Edit: Also, I may be misremembering, but I believe there is a rule capping 'game data' files (i.e. your updates and patches in size) on the PS3 to a specific size. I think it was 2gb? That's like 3 years ago now so it might not be a thing anymore.

[Aldurin]

Nikose is right, as when you're dealing with programming of that scale it's possible to dig yourself a hole that you can't cram a giant patch into. So if that really is the issue with DD where they didn't set up the programming to handle installing a patch then they would need to write all of the new content directly into the game data and release that separately.

It's still a thing that shouldn't have to happen, but unfortunately this is the case for DD. Hopefully if they plan more DLC and content then DD:DA will have its code properly set up so that they're confident with actually have the DLC as a separate thing.

[Bells]

and let us all hope this AAA developer stops sucking like a "tied for third place" Indie developer when it comes to make their games...


...also still butthurt that we don`t get a Rival School's revival..

[Azisien]

The take away here is that Capcom is bad at programming games.

Which we've known for a while, so, yeah.

[Ramary]

PS: Also... wait for classic Dante to be a DLC Skin on this game....... just wait...

It was announced before you even posted. $4. No joke.