E3 2013 : Watch my Pc go up in value

[Bells]

6 days countdown to E3 Sirs and Mam's let's get this done!!

So, we are on the upcoming days of one more E3. First of all, right of the bat, start organizing now. Cause last year we had a livestream chat party to watch the conferences and it was awesome... also, year of the bow. So we should do that again.

Second, Microsoft is Ice Skating uphill on this one, but that doesn't mean Sony is ready to steal the show. The WiiU is in a Hole right now and in gamestop, and the Ouya is on t he parking Lot so everything is on the table and this just might be the craziest E3 ever or the Worst of all time (last?)

It all comes down to exclusives and launch titles now. We are on the verge of a new console cycle (enough with "generation"... ) and Oculus Rift and even a goddamn threadmil for gaming promssion us a Future of VR.

What are you guys up for? What is going on?

If Steam puts up a Sale during E3 i'm going to loose my goddamn mind...

C'mon people, put your thoughts together and let's get hyped for this shit... i mean... someone has to......

[Arcanum]

6 days countdown to E3

Bit early, don't ya think?

Also fun fact: Spike TV will only be airing the Microsoft and EA conferences. Because Call of Duty and sportz*.


*may not be just because of CoD and sprotz but it's the most likely case

[Grandmaster_Skweeb]

http://i44.tinypic.com/9uri11.jpg

[Locke cole]

Will our chat party be looking at the Nintendo Direct? Because I'm most interested in that.

I'll still join for the other conferences, hough. You never know what will be the next "year of the bow" or "tectonic lobsters"

[Aldurin]

If Steam puts up a Sale during E3 i'm going to loose my goddamn mind...

They'd better, I want them to show aggression in this now-vulnerable market so that companies freak their shit and either clean up their act or fall under the unstoppable power of quality service and "how the fuck do you have it on sale for that cheap?". Steam Box is looking for dicks to punch, and it just so happens that Microsoft and Sony are waving theirs around right now.

[Arcanum]

Well it is a nice time for a pre-summer-sale sale.

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Since this is going to be announced at E3 anyway (well in more detail, they already announced it to get people hyped) I'll post this here. Warframe is coming to the PS4, and will still be F2P. Looks like Sony's going to be open to F2P models from the get-go, which is always great news.

Also the trailer is fucking amazing, even if you're not a fan of the game you should check it out. (http://ca.ign.com/videos/2013/06/04/warframe-is-coming-to-playstation-4)

[Bells]

gotta tell ya... Free Warframe is one hell of a Launch title for the PS4. Much like Warhawk was for the PS3.

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Bit early, don't ya think?


Not when SOny already comes out swinging their punches early like this...

https://twitter.com/BriProv/status/342412075953422337/photo/1

[Krylo]

http://i44.tinypic.com/9uri11.jpg

So you're the guy out front there, right?

[Grandmaster_Skweeb]

I wish!

All that hat money, man.

[Revising Ocelot]

They'd better, I want them to show aggression in this now-vulnerable market so that companies freak their shit and either clean up their act or fall under the unstoppable power of quality service and "how the fuck do you have it on sale for that cheap?". Steam Box is looking for dicks to punch, and it just so happens that Microsoft and Sony are waving theirs around right now.

I'm not holding my breath. Problem with Steam sales in the last year or so is that they're really starting to look weak in comparison to the prices that Amazon, GMG etc. are now starting to offer, and those all come with Steamy keys. Or hell, Humble Bundles. Alan Wake + DLC together was being Humble'd for whatever price/£2 for steam key, and right as that ended it went on sale on Steam for... £4. And I'm sure you remember the THQ bundle.

Also that farce with the 'unofficial' Steambox thing a few months ago is likely making Valve redraw their plans.

[Azisien]

Gotta watch out for them Steam sales, sometimes they are just a handful of days ahead of a major price drop for the game in question, if that.

But who am I kidding, man I still love Steam. Shut up and take my money. As long as Rome II runs on High settings, I won't have to buy a new PC this year.

Also Skweeb, that photo made my day.

[Bells]

Alright alright, for those who want to live chat... here is the playbook:

NPF Chat to follow the conferences, share the link to the streams here.

Microsfot opens the event at 9:30 am with their conference. PDT time, so make sure to convert it for your time zone.

i'll be working, so i won't be able to join you fellas for that one and the EA one at 1pm PDT. I'll be around for the Ubisoft one at 3pm and the Sony one at 6pm. All PDT time.

Second option is the Steam group chat. If that's the better choice, please someone make an event notification for it!

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Trust me on this one...

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Start the video at 4:50 and just watch.... i just genuinely busted out loud laughing.

[Kyanbu The Legend]

I'll be here for the whole thing it seems. I'm looking forward to seeing how MS recovers from all of this negative feedback.

[Locke cole]

PDT time
Pacific Daylight Time time?

Anyway. I may or may not be able to make the Microsoft conference.

Which would be a shame, because it's sure to be a bit of a ride, that.

Will we be setting up a chat for the Nintendo Direct on Tuesday?

[phil_]

Start the video at 4:50 and just watch.... i just genuinely busted out loud laughing.So, I just did what Bells said to do right here. Is this game just outright celebrating the murder of people who didn't do shit because lolwhocaresterrorz?

Wow, and I thought last E3 celebrated the indiscriminate murder of brown people. Getting ahead of the game, Calladuty.

[Bells]

you gotta love how they make sure you hear "foreign speech" right before you go murdering ... cause y'know... why neutralize a combatant when you can send your super dog to rip their throats off only to then shoot them....?

[Kyanbu The Legend]

I want to say they are not trying to be racist just because they aren't white and we're clearly fighting the army of the week, but defending a CoD game is very hard to do if not impossible given the franchise's reputation.

I don't believe in racial difference and tend to out right ignore things pertaining to it. There's only 1 race, the Human race. This whole Black, White, brown, ect thing is just silly labeling that showed have been phased out a decade ago IMO.

Anyway, I wonder if the Sonic Lost World demo will be among the playable WiiU games during the Best Buy E3 event. I hope so because I really want to try it out. X3

[Arcanum]

So does anyone have links to streams for the events?

[Ramary]

Console wars are over, we might as well stop playing inferior video games. (http://www.dewanddoritos.com/)

[Arcanum]

Well, off to go pre-order a dozen Xbones.

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So someone on NeoGaf leaked the following info. Take this with a massive dose of salt, as this is just a rumor, but it will be funny to see how much of this is true.

1. Confirmed Microsoft is actively attempting to get developers to not
mention PS4 versions. If they don't say "OUR GAME IS EXCLUSIVE FOR
XBONE" expect a PS4 version. #truthfact

2. More DRM messaging at Gamescom. There is no rental strategy. Try to sweep it under the rug and hope people don't remember.

3. Cloud power was designed as DRM. Period. DRM was Microsoft's idea. EA
and Ubisoft are supporters, Activision slightly less so.

4. DRM plans are actually worse than what they've stated.

5. Mirror's Edge 2 at MS conference.

6. Prince of Persia (reboot?) at MS conference.

7. Secret Phil Spencer game = World of Tanks

8. Live paywall still there.

9. Dead Rising 3, and exclusive DLC for another Capcom game at MS conference.

10. No online paywall for PS4. Unconfirmed.

11. No DRM info for PS4.

[Azisien]

Stoked for Dead Rising 3 (if true). Will wait for PC version.

[Bells]

i'm at work now, so i can't even check any gaming sites... but do we have links for the streams yet? I don't really want to rely on Kotaku or IGN... their feeds are usually fairly decent, but laggy... if i can get it on the source, the better.

[Arcanum]

Reddit thread with links to a bunch of shit, including multiple streams. (http://www.reddit.com/r/Games/comments/1g1vo2/official_rgames_microsoft_e3_conference_thread/).

[Bells]

Reddit thread with links to a bunch of shit, including multiple streams. (http://www.reddit.com/r/Games/comments/1g1vo2/official_rgames_microsoft_e3_conference_thread/).

Oooh nice

Got this from there:

http://www.e3countdown.com/

[phil_]

For the first time since I was ten, I'm not excited about E3. This is somewhat alarming. Let me know the specifics of how every publisher and hardware company is going to screw their customers; I just can't see myself watching hours of streams this year to find out personally.

[Azisien]

Microsoft conference was actually....not bad? Huh, weird.

Can't wait for The Walking Dead Rising 3. :crying:

[Ryong]

500 dollars?
Bunch of multiplatform games?
Hahaha fuck it.

[Kyanbu The Legend]

At $500 it's gonna sell worse then WiiU. Speaking of WiiU, sales went up over in Europe.

[The Artist Formerly Known as Hawk]

Stoked for Dead Rising 3 (if true). Will wait for PC version.

I love how this has become the default response to every game announced for the Xbone.

[Azisien]

Maybe I'm just not poor but $500 seems pretty reasonable to me given the speculated hardware it's packing? 8 core CPU, 8GB ram, Radeon video card, blu-ray drive, blah blah blah.

Not that I'm saying buy one. Good lord no. But there's plenty of reasons besides price to conclude that!

[Bells]

when the PS3 was annouced at 499 US dollars the internet imploded and then exploded and then achieved singularity between Giant Enemy Crab and Riiiiiiiiiiidge Racer... why would this be ok?

[Arcanum]

It's actually $500 + tax + Gold Subscription so for the "complete" console it'll cost you over $600.

[Kyanbu The Legend]

Yup though the Kinect adds a good $100+ to that price.

[Azisien]

It's actually $500 + tax + Gold Subscription so for the "complete" console it'll cost you over $600.

Well I can't defend the Gold subscription crap (BUT HEY AT LEAST I CAN NOW ENJOY HALO 3 AND ASSASSIN'S CREED II FOR FREE, WOOOOO)

Tax...a given, don't even know why this is part of an argument. Everything has tax. Unless you evade taxes, which I recommend.

And yeah, I dunno, costs less than a friggin' iPhone.

P.S. Why would anyone buy a Kinect?

when the PS3 was annouced at 499 US dollars the internet imploded and then exploded and then achieved singularity between Giant Enemy Crab and Riiiiiiiiiiidge Racer... why would this be ok?

Well the Internet does have a tendency to do that... But then again, I guess my response to learning that is the exact same. Not that expensive for a device that'll ideally last you years of entertainment [it will break in 3 months].

[Kyanbu The Legend]

Because they are bundled with every Xbox One. A mandatory purchase.

[Arcanum]

Well I can't defend the Gold subscription crap (BUT HEY AT LEAST I CAN NOW ENJOY HALO 3 AND ASSASSIN'S CREED II FOR FREE, WOOOOO)

Meanwhile, over on PS+... :smug:

Tax...a given, don't even know why this is part of an argument. Everything has tax. Unless you evade taxes, which I recommend.

Not really an arguement, it just irks me that people don't factor in tax when discussing prices of new consoles, because you're making them seem cheaper than they really are.

[Mr.Bookworm]

At this point, I'm just waiting to see how awful the PS4 is.

I suspect it's gonna be pretty awful, given that Sony's just been riding the wave of Microsoft's fuck-ups, and have been going "NO COMMENT" every time someone tries to ask them about DRM or whatever.

Maybe I'm just not poor but $500 seems pretty reasonable to me given the speculated hardware it's packing? 8 core CPU, 8GB ram, Radeon video card, blu-ray drive, blah blah blah.

It's only $30 less than the 360's launch price adjusted for inflation, so plus the stuff the 360 didn't have, it's a relatively reasonable price.

PS4 would be $700 if it followed the same formula, but I doubt they'll do that.

[Kyanbu The Legend]

PS4 was already confirmed to be a great deal cheaper then the PS3 was at launch. So it's expected price is believed to be around $400 to $450.

[Azisien]

Meanwhile, over on PS+... :smug:

Not really an arguement, it just irks me that people don't factor in tax when discussing prices of new consoles, because you're making them seem cheaper than they really are.

Yeah PPlus has been pretty good to me, soooo many free games (sorry, "free" games). I'm so very sad my membership expired while Demon's Souls was free though. It's one I never got a physical disc for, would have loved to grab it.

Your point is valid, and I think you've actually stumbled upon something that is a constant plague for retail workers. Because nobody ever mentions the tax, and execs only say "$499!" all these dudebros assail the poor, soul-crushed retail worker with stuff like "What?! $600?! But the man on the picture tube said $499!" and "Does the new doggie in Call of Duty make the game tax free?"

[Bells]

PS4 was already confirmed to be a great deal cheaper then the PS3 was at launch. So it's expected price is believed to be around $400 to $450.

Confirmed!? Really? Cause that would be a pretty big deal...

Also, c'mon people i'm evading work for this... give me the dirt and the goods!! What about those exclusives?! How about the clusterfuck of rentals, trades and used sales? any news on that front?

[Locke cole]

How about the clusterfuck of rentals, trades and used sales? any news on that front?

Ahahaha.

Good luck on that front, considering they went so far as to cancel post-E3 roundtables that would have allowed people to ask those questions directly.

[Ryong]

Don't forget DAY ONE PACKAGE
"We thank everyone who buys games day one so they don't know how bad they are until too late!"

[Karrrrrrrrrrrresche]

Meanwhile, over on PS+... :smug:


So is Sony going all out on this time and protecting their users information by putting the plaintext file in a password protected folder, or should we expect the first massive security breach to come in about half a year after the console release?

[Arcanum]

Mirror's Edge 2! Battlefront 3! Wooooo!

[Locke cole]

Sports! Sports! Sports! Sports!

Sports!

Also:

"We are not producing any games for Wii U"
(two weeks later)
"So here's an Xbone game where you can use a tablet."

[The Artist Formerly Known as Hawk]

Also, c'mon people i'm evading work for this... give me the dirt and the goods!! What about those exclusives?! How about the clusterfuck of rentals, trades and used sales? any news on that front?

Well see, I have been off all day, so I could have checked out the news and streams this entire time, and then let you know what's what, I just simply chose not to. Like, it wouldn't be any effort to click a few mouse buttons and type a few keys, but I feel like my time would be better spent like, browsing tv tropes, watching youtube videos totally unrelated to E3, or maybe just, I dunno, vacuuming or some shit.

Basically anything would be more productive and worth more of my time than watching E3.

[Arcanum]

The Division by Ubisoft actually looks really awesome.

EWJD8DMasCU

Sadly it will only be on consoles.

[Bells]

Well see, I have been off all day, so I could have checked out the news and streams this entire time, and then let you know what's what, I just simply chose not to. Like, it wouldn't be any effort to click a few mouse buttons and type a few keys, but I feel like my time would be better spent like, browsing tv tropes, watching youtube videos totally unrelated to E3, or maybe just, I dunno, vacuuming or some shit.

Basically anything would be more productive and worth more of my time than watching E3.

You probably can't see it but i'm wagging my fist soooo hard at you right now...


Also... i did a thing...

I apologize for the Portuguese, this is for my Games channel on youtube. I Just felts like capturing my honest to gosh darn reaction

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[Arcanum]

Well fuck. The Attack on Titan theme really does make everything a thousand times better.

[Locke cole]

...Welp.

At this point, the question is not whether Sony or Nintendo have won E3.

all we know is that Microsoft has lost.

[Kyanbu The Legend]

Pretty much yeah, Sony's got a strong line up of games though. We'll have to see what Nintendo brings to the table tomorrow.

[Doc ock rokc]

...Welp.

At this point, the question is not whether Sony or Nintendo have won E3.

all we know is that Microsoft has lost.

Microsoft didn't lose.

Microsoft got FUCKING OWNED! I don't think they will recover from this for a good long time.

[Krylo]

You shmucks are my officially unofficial news source for this kind of thing.

Now someone do reporting so that I don't have to watch this stuff myself or wait for some shitty games blog to talk about it.

[MasterOfMagic]

Summary of PS4:

399 USD
Doesn't need internet to work
This short video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kWSIFh8ICaA
PS Plus required for multiplayer


I think that's the main bits.

[Locke cole]

Also, some games, if you're ino that.

Like Final Fantasy Versu- I mean, Final Fantasy XV.

[Krylo]

This short video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kWSIFh8ICaA


Best thing I've seen all day.

Worth 399 alone.

[Aldurin]

Nothing about the rape joke in the Killer Instinct gameplay reveal? And trash talking for a badly unprofessional display to be the sewage cake for that shit icing.

30 seconds in.
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Also the best summary of E3 so far. (https://twitter.com/ohDeku/status/344290454591918081)

[Mr.Bookworm]

At this point, I'm just waiting to see how awful the PS4 is.

I suspect it's gonna be pretty awful, given that Sony's just been riding the wave of Microsoft's fuck-ups, and have been going "NO COMMENT" every time someone tries to ask them about DRM or whatever.

Welp, I was pretty much entirely wrong

All hail my new brickish overlord.

[Arcanum]

PS4 will have a 500GB hard drive. No word on if it's swappable yet.

Also,

Nothing about the rape joke in the Killer Instinct gameplay reveal?

Those of us that were in the NPF chat caught it. General reaction was "wow what the hell did he just say?" or "that was a very poor choice of words."

I didn't really feel like being the one to bring it up in this thread.

[Krylo]

I heard about it, yeah.

It's pretty terrible.

I also heard that Sony had a woman then playing an FPS game and actually doing well and enjoying herself?

Like, apparently Sony just gave Microsoft ALL the fuck yous. Every single last one.

[Arcanum]

Basically here's the score for E3 so far:

Xbox 1 - Playstation 4

[The Artist Formerly Known as Hawk]

The Division by Ubisoft actually looks really awesome.

EWJD8DMasCU

Sadly it will only be on consoles.

Ok, this does look pretty good.


399 USD

This seems about right.


Doesn't need internet to work

Thank god!

This short video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kWSIFh8ICaA

This is fucking fantastic. I don't think there's enough ice in the world for that burn.

PS Plus required for multiplayer

Damnit Sony, so close!

EDIT; Basically here's the score for E3 so far:
Xbox 1 - Playstation 4

But, that would imply that MS scored at all.

[greed]

Found this gif, seemed pretty apt description of the situation. If you want Mikasa (the bystander) can be Ninty.

http://i.imgur.com/H8uOw13.gif

Also between my prexisting PS+ sub and my preorder my $400 PS4 will come with 2 free games packed in. That's pretty good value, so functionally $300 for the console. Actually kinda excited for next gen now, whereas before I was drained and kinda resigned to just havign a 3DS and WiiU for a few years til I could 1. get a Steambox whenever the hell that's dropping, 2. Sony and MSoft sort themselves out. But now Sony look like they're coming out of the gate strong so that's cool.

Also Hawk PS+ is kinda worth a sub now without multiplayer requiring it, just saying totally worth $5 a month for all the free shit on it and discounts.

[The Artist Formerly Known as Hawk]

Also Hawk PS+ is kinda worth a sub now without multiplayer requiring it, just saying totally worth $5 a month for all the free shit on it and discounts.

I duno, seeing as I've gone so many years now already without having to pay anything for multiplayer, having to suddenly do so just irks me somewhat. Especially since I don't particularly buy things from the store all that often, and I haven't actually played online much recently anyway. If I just decide on the off chance that I want to play some multiplayer right now I can do so without charge, but to do that on the ps4 I now have to pay £5 extra, and may not even play all that much for that month. Just seems like a waste of £5.

[Tev]

Best summation I've seen so far on Tumblr:

E3 2013
Microsoft: Let's take stuff away from them
Sony: Let's give them stuff
Nintendo: *curled up in a pile of money and playing Animal crossing New Leaf*

[Inbred Chocobo]

Welp, Megaman is going to be in the next Super Smash Bros game. I am already sold on it.

EDIT: And of course checking on forums I see someone already things that Megaman is overpowered and needs a nerf...

[krogothwolf]

Welp, Megaman is going to be in the next Super Smash Bros game. I am already sold on it.

EDIT: And of course checking on forums I see someone already things that Megaman is overpowered and needs a nerf...

OP MEGAMAN, PLS NERF NOW!!!!

Lol, sounds about right.

Honestly, I don't play much multiplayer on my ps3 right now, a 5 dollar sub to play multiplayer is really kinda annoying even with free stuffs. I can live without freestuffs but if I get 1 game that I want to play multiplayer on for the PS4 I'm forced to spend 5 bucks. It's a little annoying since steam on the pc is free still.

[Kyanbu The Legend]

I'm not so sure about the WiiU's future now. X, Beyonetta 2, Smash 4, and Sonic Lost World look great but this system is still getting more delays on it's must have titles. And worse of all, thanks to porting everything between the WiiU and 3DS, The WiiU is now not only competing against the PS4, but the 3DS as well. -_-;

WiiU is likely to start dropping in sales (again) and I can't help but feel that Nintendo may be killing it off in 2016/2017 at this rate (rather or not a new console follows is debatable). Well Nintendo, I'm still getting a WiiU and PS4 (though PS4 will be first now). But it seems you really are going the way of Sega. I can't deny it any longer. And it's sad because the Gamepad had a lot of potential too. Well... At least Sony is technically doing the same thing with Vita to an extent.

I lost Sega, and now I'm losing Nintendo...

[Tev]

I lost Sega, and now I'm losing Nintendo...Don't fret so much. Nintendo still has a more than respectable share of the market and seems to have found its (very broad) niche; catering to the casual gamer across all ages.

They aren't going anywhere as long as their competition keeps focused on expensive multimedia consoles and appealing to hardcore gamers.

[Gregness]

I know a lot of you guys don't really like Yahtzee, but he put this upcoming generation's problems pretty succinctly. (http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/zero-punctuation/7417-Next-Gen-Buyers-Guide) (this is a week old though, so no E3 stuff covered)

[The Artist Formerly Known as Hawk]

So I just heard about Killer Instincts day 1 launch plans on the Xbone. It'll be f2p, but only has 1 character. All others must be bought via microtransactions.

/Headdesk. Words fail me.

[Kyanbu The Legend]

If it only has one character then what's the point of it being free if you have to buy the others. -_-

sigh...

[Aldurin]

So I just heard about Killer Instincts day 1 launch plans on the Xbone. It'll be f2p, but only has 1 character. All others must be bought via microtransactions.

/Headdesk. Words fail me.

The guys that made Silent Hill: Downcoming (*pat-esque rage*) I MEAN HOMECOMING are learning from the Trippl Eh developers.

[Loyal]

There's more info on the new Smash Bros here. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vQD1yJinzeQ)

Bowser's nimbler, Pit's got some new moves based on KR: Uprising, Toon Link is likely out of the roster based on one of the 3DS stages, and there's a third new fighter revealed, who nobody could have seen coming...

[Arcanum]

Just looks at the fine catalog of games Double Helix has worked on. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double_Helix_Games)

And then realise that none of them are fighters, and that they're all rather terrible.

[Kyanbu The Legend]

Wii Fit Trainer! XD

Ah that's hilarious and her final smash seems pretty op too. lol

[Arcanum]

Some tweets confirming info on the PS4 (http://imgur.com/a/zSN57)

Yes the PS4 will need PS+ for multiplayer. Other features like Netflix don't need PS+.

Confirmed 500GB hard drive, and confirmed that it can be swapped out just like the PS3.

Also, PS4 will be region free.

[The Artist Formerly Known as Hawk]

Just looks at the fine catalog of games Double Helix has worked on. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double_Helix_Games)

And then realise that none of them are fighters, and that they're all rather terrible.

Heh, tbh I'd never actually heard of them until now. Reading that and seeing their history, I can see why. I do love this entry though;

Double Helix Games cites on their website that the combined development experience totals 20+ years[1] and that it is one of the largest and most experienced game developers in the world

Hahaha, no.

[Magus]

Summary of PS4:

This short video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kWSIFh8ICaA



HERE SONY TAKE MY MONEY JUST TAKE IT

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So I just heard about Killer Instincts day 1 launch plans on the Xbone. It'll be f2p, but only has 1 character. All others must be bought via microtransactions.

/Headdesk. Words fail me.

To be fair, as long as its Jago, Orchid, Cinder, Glacius, or Spinal I'd kinda be okay with that.

lol wait XBone? lololol no

[Kyanbu The Legend]

Some tweets confirming info on the PS4 (http://imgur.com/a/zSN57)

Yes the PS4 will need PS+ for multiplayer. Other features like Netflix don't need PS+.

Confirmed 500GB hard drive, and confirmed that it can be swapped out just like the PS3.

Also, PS4 will be region free.

Sounds good so far. lack of free online multiplayer is a shame but meh... that's not too bad. Personally I don't really care about online player on anything that's not PC anymore and havn't for the last few years.

[RobinStarwing]

The X-Bone is X-Done and X-tinct.

The Console Wars were won by Nintendo and Sony.

Nintendo gets the victory point for not even acknowledging Microsoft's douchebaggery.

Sony for not only trash-talking Microsoft, but actually talking about GAMES, GAMEs, AND MORE GAMES at their Press Release Conference.

Both for showing they care about all gamers, even those who buy used.

[krogothwolf]

Xbone is giving PS4 free advertisement ideas!

Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JwYUGtI6guY

[akaSM]

Xbone is giving PS4 free advertisement ideas!

Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JwYUGtI6guY

That video's on the previous page :V (different uploader though)

OTOH:

Xbox is so bad it needs a ambulance... WiiU,WiiU,WiiU?

It was worth it.

[Arcanum]

http://i.imgur.com/waUskH8.jpg

[Locke cole]

Kiby: Eats to get in shape.

[Azisien]

So I just heard about Killer Instincts day 1 launch plans on the Xbone. It'll be f2p, but only has 1 character. All others must be bought via microtransactions.

/Headdesk. Words fail me.

Actually it depends on the price of the characters, but it's a neat price model for a fighting game I think. At the very least worth an experiment.

Fact: F2P models are 100% guaranteed to increase the number of players that try your game. This in turn will (depending on many factors but especially game quality) translate to more players that stick with your game.

Fact: Most fighting game players will attach themselves to 1-4 characters at most. A smaller fraction play all characters.

Thought: If the costs are something like $5 per character, that's a cheaper game for the majority of fighting game players ($5-20 cost to play the game), but with a model that focuses more on volume of players than cost per player. Then, create a bundle that unlocks all characters for $60, or whatever the cost of the game would charge if it were following a "normal" price model. So folks that would normally just go to the store and buy the disc right off at launch can do exactly that.

Worst case scenario it's a shit game or they overcharge on all the prices or both and we have a failed fighting game. Boohoo. ;)

[Loyal]

So according to various internet hangouts, the Villager, as of a few hours ago, is now a crazed serial axe murderer.

God I love the internet.

[POS Industries]

Actually it depends on the price of the characters, but it's a neat price model for a fighting game I think. At the very least worth an experiment.

Fact: F2P models are 100% guaranteed to increase the number of players that try your game. This in turn will (depending on many factors but especially game quality) translate to more players that stick with your game.

Fact: Most fighting game players will attach themselves to 1-4 characters at most. A smaller fraction play all characters.

Thought: If the costs are something like $5 per character, that's a cheaper game for the majority of fighting game players ($5-20 cost to play the game), but with a model that focuses more on volume of players than cost per player. Then, create a bundle that unlocks all characters for $60, or whatever the cost of the game would charge if it were following a "normal" price model. So folks that would normally just go to the store and buy the disc right off at launch can do exactly that.
Fact: It will not have a competitive scene because no organizers are going to pay for every character individually.

Fact: It will not have an online scene because no one's going to pay for day one DLC.

Fact: It will undoubtedly be dead at launch.

Even if this were a good idea for a fighting game, which it really isn't, this is still not even a good F2P model. The successful F2P games have given players a healthy amount of content with extras that enhance the gameplay experience without it being destroyed in their absence. You don't need to actually buy anything to get the full TF2 experience, for example. By contrast, you can't even get an adequate amount of actionbars in SWTOR without throwing money at BioWare.

[Azisien]

Fact: It will not have a competitive scene because no organizers are going to pay for every character individually.

Fact: It will not have an online scene because no one's going to pay for day one DLC.

Fact: It will undoubtedly be dead at launch.

Even if this were a good idea for a fighting game, which it really isn't, this is still not even a good F2P model. The successful F2P games have given players a healthy amount of content with extras that enhance the gameplay experience without it being destroyed in their absence. You don't need to actually buy anything to get the full TF2 experience, for example. By contrast, you can't even get an adequate amount of actionbars in SWTOR without throwing money at BioWare.

I admit it is a poor design decision to only have 1 character and not a handful of them, but nah, I think my notion is fine and if they followed it, it would be a good idea. Possibly better than the normal course.

If they had an all-content bundle, which most F2Ps do, if it was priced similar to buying a retail game, this has no effect on the competitive scene, because any tournament organizers would purchase all the content no problem.

My whole notion is, of course, null and void if they went the Marvel Heroes route and release a mediocre game with 4 character unlocks costing ninety-facking-dollars.

Edit: Another good idea would be something like Planetside 2 where they let you demo paid content for a limited time before you buy. This would work pretty well in a fighting game if you're considering what characters to buy.

[Arcanum]

Well it's a good thing all of that is just a big misunderstanding. (http://www.eventhubs.com/news/2013/jun/11/killer-instinct-free-play-was-misconception-glacius-be-fully-playable-evo-2013-and-40-training-lessons/)

In particular a few rather important notes were made, the first thing mentioned was that there was a small misconception with the game being free-to-play. While the game is a launch title for the Xbox One, fans will be able to purchase the full game on it's release. There will also be a demo which comes with Jago as playable character where you can play all of the game's modes including online mutliplayer.

If you decided after playing the demo that you liked the game, you can selectively purchase packages which feature various characters.

[Bells]

well, now that at least makes sense...

[RobinStarwing]

Still just proves the X-bone is made to bone us all.

...and years from now there will be the legend of a landfill filled with X-bones because no one wanted it and Microsoft got cut in half and bought by Sony and Nintendo.

EDIT: And every Operating system from that point forward will say, "It's a Me! Windows!"

[Aerozord]

I always wait before I pass judgement. People were downing the Wii when it launched and it sold better than the other two combined.

[Bells]

Yeah, but the Wii was never truly competing with xbox and PS3, it was it's own thing. Cheaper than both, family oriented... if anything else, the Wii proved that high sales are not in direct relation to quality...

Most of the top Wii games barely (if at all) used motion functions and were heavily 1st party titles.

The State of the WiiU now is also very affirmative of this...

So, it's not truly impossible for the Xbox team to turn this around.... Sony did a fairly decent job of that (too slow though) with the launch of the Ps3... but i'm not holding my Breath.

[Marc v4.0]

and Microsoft got cut in half and bought by Sony and Nintendo.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

No, don't be silly

[POS Industries]

Well it's a good thing all of that is just a big misunderstanding. (http://www.eventhubs.com/news/2013/jun/11/killer-instinct-free-play-was-misconception-glacius-be-fully-playable-evo-2013-and-40-training-lessons/)
Wow, they are really really bad at communication if they managed to foul up saying "there's a free demo at launch."

But these are the same guys that thought showing a woman very much not having fun playing their game and making rapey-sounding comments at her was a great way to sell their game to the audience, too, so maybe they just need to hire a better marketing team in general.

[Azisien]

Well I feel a little dirty for defending the game, so let's be clear I was just defending the potential price model (as I had interpreted it personally). As far as I have seen and read thus far, Killer Instinct can go return to its dank, dark hole of not existing again.

[Arcanum]

Well hot damn, the PS4 just keeps getting better. (http://www.joystiq.com/2013/06/12/playstation-plus-price-not-changing-video-services-dont-requir/)

Furthermore, free-to-play games won't require PlayStation Plus for online multiplayer. During a separate roundtable Joystiq was present at, Sony Worldwide Studios President Shuhei Yoshida said, "As far as free-to-play games are concerned, it's the publisher's decision whether they put it inside or outside of PS Plus."

[akaSM]

I'm sold on the PS4, and when it comes to consoles, I'm a Nintendo person.

[Flarecobra]

And guess what?

Yes, this happened. (http://games.yahoo.com/blogs/plugged-in/microsoft-gamers-no-internet-buy-360-172308365.html)

[RobinStarwing]

And guess what?

Yes, this happened. (http://games.yahoo.com/blogs/plugged-in/microsoft-gamers-no-internet-buy-360-172308365.html)

Yeah....X-bone is so X-pwned.

[Arcanum]

I couldn't think of a clever way to deliver the following news, so here it is.

Dead Rising 3 designed to appeal to call of duty fans. (http://www.destructoid.com/dead-rising-3-designed-to-appeal-to-call-of-duty-fans-256136.phtml)

:(

[POS Industries]

I couldn't think of a clever way to deliver the following news, so here it is.

Dead Rising 3 designed to appeal to call of duty fans. (http://www.destructoid.com/dead-rising-3-designed-to-appeal-to-call-of-duty-fans-256136.phtml)

:(
And guess who helped them get there! (http://www.justpushstart.com/2013/06/e3-2013-capcom-says-microsoft-helped-with-dead-rising-3/)

I swear to god, the hits just keep on coming.

[Red Fighter 1073]

And guess who helped them get there!

I swear to god, the hits just keep on coming.

Although to be fair, in that article and the Videogamer article it links, I feel like the article title seems somewhat misleading. From the quote and the overall article, it seems like the Art Director was more talking about how the capabilities of the Xbox One system itself played a factor in how DR3 could be developed as far as "explosions, animations, the amount of guns in the game" go. He doesn't really explicitly say that Microsoft team helped them in the actual development of the game.

With that said though, it's definitely pretty miserable to see the direction that DR3 is going. Take out all of the things that made the first two games unique and fun, and you have a bland, boring, cookie-cutter zombie game that appeals to no one. There are so many zombie games that I feel like DR3 needs that quirkiness of the first two games to set itself apart from the bland oversaturation of the zombie "genre".

[Yumil]

I was super happy to see I was wrong about Sony following Microsoft on various stuff. But then I saw this (http://kotaku.com/third-party-publishers-will-have-final-say-on-used-game-512643240)

So, uh Sony may or may not be ok with publishers dictating whether used games are available for use. The only thing really confirmed is that online passes are gone from first party sony titles. The Playstation itself will not have any inbuilt gating, but it doesn't mean that publishers can't implement their own.

One possible thing to come from this is that it may be much harder to trade in publisher gated games on the PS4 than it would be for the XBOne, since the XBOne would have a uniform system, while the PS4 would be publisher specific. However, I hope that Sony not making it mandatory really curbs this.

Another thing is, if it's up to the publisher, some of your games may require that 24h checkin. Again, who knows. Sony didn't really give any specifics other than the publishers can do what they want to, Sony games won't do any of this, and Sony just won't implement it in the system as a default.

So again, Sony got a lot of good will at E3 and currently are quite a bit stronger due to it, but if publishers embrace their own DRM to compliment the XBOne, I don't know how much that's going to hurt them.

[Bells]

did you.... actually watched the conference? Or at least read about that stuff

Seriously man, what the hell?!... i don't know what console you are talking about, but that is not the PS4 in the news right now. hell, the comment section of the page you linked already explains a bunch of things you seemed to have misinterpreted...

[Krylo]

PS4 is sticking with the current paradigm, which technically allows publishers to put in DRM and Online Passes (in fact they have been doing so).

However, the current paradigm isn't the dystopian black future of the X-Box One.

Like, it'd be cool if they just said 'nope, none of that shit on PS4,' but there's only so much of a fuck you that can be given to publishers in the name of courting players without ending up like Nintend circa N64/Gamecube--except, you know, without Mario and Link to drive sales.

[Arcanum]

Yumil it helps if you use articles from reputable (http://www.destructoid.com/did-sony-confirm-drm-on-ps4-after-all-not-quite--256052.phtml) sources. (http://www.gamefront.com/sony-third-party-drm-refers-to-playing-used-games-online-only/)

The Online Pass program for PlayStation first-party games will not continue on PlayStation 4. Similar to PS3, we will not dictate the online used game strategy (the ability to play used games online) of its publishing partners. As announced last night, PS4 will not have any gating restrictions for used disc-based games. When a gamer buys a PS4 disc they have right to use that copy of the game, so they can trade-in the game at retail, sell it to another person, lend it to a friend, or keep it forever.

Essentially, they're talking about letting publishers use online passes, and no other kind of restrictions.

In a nutshell, you can buy a used single-player game for the PS4 and play it all you want. If you want to go online with it, you may have to deal with some sort of publisher-determined DRM, be it an Online Pass or whatever

[Yumil]

What's to stop a publisher from saying the game requires you to play online and that you need an "online pass" to play from a used copy?

[Krylo]

Same thing that stops them now? Especially if the X-Box One fails as hard as it looks like it's going to for all this anti-used stuff.

Like, it's not perfect, but trying to draw an equivalency to the X-Box One is pretty weak.

[Yumil]

Same thing that stops them now? Especially if the X-Box One fails as hard as it looks like it's going to for all this anti-used stuff.

Like, it's not perfect, but trying to draw an equivalency to the X-Box One is pretty weak.

If XBox One doesn't fail, and it's up in the air whether or not it will or not, a precedent will have been set that this is ok. Unless Sony specifically states that it's not ok to do this stuff and takes a hard stance on publishers, there is a possibility of this happening there too.

I am not buying either at launch. I may not buy either for most of their lifetime. I have my PC, the Oculus Rift is coming, I don't need a console. Heck, I just recently bought a PS3(well a dead one that I bought for cheap then brought it back to life).

I think that XBone can still pull itself out of this rut while keeping the features it has(and we loathe) by making deals with cable/satellite providers to provide a cheaper console for contracted service. They've already tested the waters with the $99 Xbox 360 with a year of XBox Live, I can see very soon that we'll hear that if you sign up with two years of Direct TV/insert television provider that you'll get a $200-$300 XBOne and they'll still get their sales. They've very much marketed this as a multimedia solution (you can watch tv) and if you look at the contract phone services(which are just as crappy compared to prepaid alternatives) and how they stay in business, this may be an excellent move. I would not partake, I don't want the console or whatever service they'd be paired with, but I can see it happening.

Just because the hardcore crowd doesn't like it, doesn't mean that they won't be marketable. Their early adopters won't be as apt to purchase it, but again I don't think we can count Microsoft out.

[Aldurin]

Oh there will be a certain amount of sales (brand loyalists and people like Woolie who can't wait for Mirror's Edge 2 to be released on PC) by default, if you literally sell a pile of shit (not labeling it manure) then someone will buy it. But it won't be the kind of sales that justify the sheer amount of effort Microsoft has put into this. It will fail in retrospect, though they'll still play it up for a while even in the face of abysmal sales.

Between Windows 8 and this, Microsoft is going downhill on mistakes they refuse to recognize and if they continue to do so then they will fail and will fully deserve it (or the government bails them out and the majority of the gaming community and open-source supporters rage shit on that government in response.)

[POS Industries]

Oh there will be a certain amount of sales (brand loyalists and people like Woolie who can't wait for Mirror's Edge 2 to be released on PC)
What, Woolie can't buy a PS4?

[Aldurin]

What, Woolie can't buy a PS4?

Oh right, Woolie doesn't even have money. I forgot that Mirror's Edge 2 wasn't exclusive (good move).

[RobinStarwing]

And as of today.... (http://www.joystiq.com/2013/06/13/ea-online-pass-staying-dead/)

Maybe DRM/Online Passes are on the way out too.

[krogothwolf]

Sony can't really take a hard stance with publishers on Online Passes/Used games anyways. They aren't the PS2 of old in which they fully and completely controlled the market. They can't push away publishers right now by making a hard stance on it. Honestly there is nothing wrong with what Sony is doing with leaving it the way it is.

[Bells]

Not only that but Microsoft built an infrastructure and a business model around what they are doing. Even if a publisher does not want any of that they will still have some of it in their games by design.

Sony, on the other hand, already made a clear statement that their hardware does not have that infrastrucutre. Online F2P games are not behind the paywall of PS Plus, and that no first party titles will have any of that DRM stuff. Plus, this extend to all Physical copies of games to regarding trading and selling used.

So... yeah... those are worlds apart.

[Tev]

Sharing a Tumblr thing:

http://25.media.tumblr.com/2889929ecf12a9ee747fe476c9e49c9d/tumblr_mob1a81Ofb1so3p0wo1_500.jpg
http://24.media.tumblr.com/6672a3512c47309effc2f49eb02320b7/tumblr_mob1a81Ofb1so3p0wo2_500.jpg
This year at E3 during the Xbox panel during a scripted “trash talk” bit someone made a scripted rape joke (male gamer to girl gamer who sucks at a game: “just wait, it’ll all be over soon.”) and then they acted like it wasn’t a big deal and then they released an expensive, anti-consumer (DRM on physical games) piece of hardware. And then Sony just released the PS4 which is just the PS3 but better graphics and $100 cheaper than the Xbox. So THAT happened.

But then Nintendo just quietly released a bunch of great looking sequels for all of it’s major franchises (Mario, Pikmin, Donkey Kong, and Smash Bros.) and every single one of those games interestingly features playable female characters who haven’t been seen in decades like Dixie Kong and Princess Peach - and Pikmin now has a new female hero.

One of my favorite things about Peach in the new Mario game is that one of the power ups is a literal “cat suit” and Peach’s “cat suit” doesn’t sexualize her at ALL. You can’t even see her boobs. She just looks like she’s wearing over-sized footie pajamas it’s so cute. Also they added a pink letter to the Mario logo just to accommodate Peach’s re-inclusion into the franchise as a character with actual agency!

So at the end of the presentation they tell you to go to the Smash Bros website to find out about new characters. And then they announced this character, Wii Fit Trainer, on the site. And in an interview the director said he gets thousands of requests for almost every video game character under the sun and he’s gotten absolutely zero requests for this character and he put her in the game to be funny and defy fan expectation. This character is literally “hey fuck you we’re the ones making the games around here, and we’ll be goofy and funny if we want to and also check it out another female character in Smash.”

Also the inclusion of the Animal Crossing villager is interesting because Animal Crossing is VERY popular with girls and even though the villager is male I’m 100% certain his alternate costumes will include the girl default villager character. So that’s neat. The three Smash characters they announced were two girl(ish) characters from two girl(ish) games and then Mega Man.

Also in the new Animal Crossing game boys are allowed to cross dress and all of the animals are explicitly genderqueer in the dialog. Characters say stuff like “Boys can ware make up if they want to, I mean, it’s 2013, who cares?” and just today a jock rhino was looking deeply into my eyes and asking me to hike a football and I asked him if he loved me (which was one of the option out of other options about sports) and he was like “Oh I guess a lot can happen when you look into someone else's eyes like that, huh?” He didn’t even care that we’re both guys. Also in the new Pokemon game you can be black.

Basically what I’m saying is Nintendo is quietly and systematically making their games more socially progressive and Microsoft made a rape joke and then said “what? it was a joke.”

[Ramary]

I will vouch for the new Animal Crossing also having your male character run like a girl too if you are wearing a dress and wig.

Also the whole rape joke thing was unscripted so claims Microsoft. However the guy was still told to trash talk, and the lady was basically meant to lose. I am the last person to see stuff like rape culture in everything, but that was really rapey.

[Bells]

Tev, do you have a link for that? cause that stuff is actually pretty neat and i missed a lot of nintendo annoucements so that just flew way over my head... kinda cool how they are making that stance without making it into a "big deal", just a natural state of things.

Edit: Expect for the Peach catsuit thing..... cause you know... internet. But that's hardly nintendo's fault or intent... it's just... internet.

[Tev]

Here you go. (http://bradofarrell.tumblr.com/post/52826618740/this-year-at-e3-during-the-xbox-panel-during-a)

Edit: Expect for the Peach catsuit thing..... cause you know... internet. But that's hardly nintendo's fault or intent... it's just... internet.
I think, looking from the picture, that there just is a catsuit item in the game and anybody can have it. They were just pointing out that in the case of Peach, Nintendo didn't sexualize her in it. They just made it look like everyone else's version.

[Flarecobra]

Apperentally Ouya tried to crash E3. Police may have been involved. (http://games.yahoo.com/blogs/plugged-in/ouya-tries-crash-e3-feuds-esa-171508817.html)

[Bells]

Here you go. (http://bradofarrell.tumblr.com/post/52826618740/this-year-at-e3-during-the-xbox-panel-during-a)


I think, looking from the picture, that there just is a catsuit item in the game and anybody can have it. They were just pointing out that in the case of Peach, Nintendo didn't sexualize her in it. They just made it look like everyone else's version.

Luigi and a toad are wearing the suit on that picture, so it's just the new Gimmick it seems. Probably allowing you to crawl up vertical walls and maybe pounce longer than a normal jump.

Still a good thing to know that Peach will be in it as playable. Always felts weird to have "mario, luigi and 2 toads" in that game...

[POS Industries]

Still a good thing to know that Peach will be in it as playable. Always felts weird to have "mario, luigi and 2 toads" in that game...
Maybe they have to go rescue the yellow Toad this time.

[The Artist Formerly Known as Hawk]

Hahaha it just gets better and better. Xbone is going to be available in 21 countries come launch day. The 360 was available in 46 countries. If you're not living in one of those countries then you are completely locked out of playing games even if you import a system, because of online account bullshit.

Source (http://www.xbox.com/en-US/xbox-one/pre-order-xbox-one/disclaimer)

MS couldn't force people to buy from their competitors any harder at this point.

[Tev]

If you're not living in one of those countries then you are completely locked out of playing games even if you import a system, because of online account bullshit.The best part is who is not on that list: Japan.

[Yumil]

Apperentally Ouya tried to crash E3. Police may have been involved. (http://games.yahoo.com/blogs/plugged-in/ouya-tries-crash-e3-feuds-esa-171508817.html)

They rented a spot across from the convention center. ESA in response rented the spot in front of them and lined it with trucks to cover them. They then rented the spot in front of that. ESA called the cops, the cops saw that everyone had their permit and left.

Sounds about right. Its common for that space to be rented out, though it's usually to people inside the convention hall.

[Aldurin]

And now for some professional E3 footage.

39TUFxSGtYE

[Locke cole]

Yeah, I'm really excited for this new Mario game. Peach being playable is just sucha nice touch, and it makes it feel like the crew of four from Mario 2.

I'm guessing that the full extent is, as always, Luigi jumps higher than Mario but has no traction, Peach can float but is slow, Toad jumps low but moves fast, and Mario is in the middle.

[Bells]

And now for some professional E3 footage.

39TUFxSGtYE

I'm just going to assume that im not the only one that would like to see Arin, Jon, Matt and Pat playing Mario Party versus...

[Kyanbu The Legend]

The best part is who is not on that list: Japan.

Honestly though, that was expected. The 360 died a slow hard death over there. They'd just lose money launching it there. MS pretty much admitted defeat to Sony over there.

[Magus]

lol so they decided to just completely give up the Asian marketspace. Well that'll turn out well.

[Ramary]

Poland is not on the list. As in where CD Projeckt RED is located. They were on stage at the Xbone conference for Witcher 3. They did not see the list of countries till after the conference.

[Bells]

"We want your game on our console, and we want to present you as a selling point to our brand new console, putting you and your franchise center stage. But FUCK YOU if you want to play it in your country."

Nice going Microsoft.

[RobinStarwing]

"We want your game on our console, and we want to present you as a selling point to our brand new console, putting you and your franchise center stage. But FUCK YOU if you want to play it in your country."

Nice going Microsoft.

I am thinking Microsoft is trying to imitate EA's model of doing business.

"Let's make horrible, HORRIBLE choices in how to talk to and interact with customers! They will still be stupid enough to sell their souls to us!"

....
Yeah....not going to work out. Didn't work for EA either.

[Aerozord]

Edit: Expect for the Peach catsuit thing..... cause you know... internet. But that's hardly nintendo's fault or intent... it's just... internet.

How many people seriously found that sexy? I mean its a full body catsuit that if anything hides her curves. Cute yea, but about as innocent as you can get.

[Kyanbu The Legend]

How many people seriously found that sexy? I mean its a full body catsuit that if anything hides her curves. Cute yea, but about as innocent as you can get.

Yeah but I think he means, fan artist will "alter" it to make it so. Internet loves doing that.

[RobinStarwing]

How many people seriously found that sexy? I mean its a full body catsuit that if anything hides her curves. Cute yea, but about as innocent as you can get.


Rule 34 will get invoked on that cat suit....

[Aerozord]

Rule 34 will get invoked on that cat suit....

if there is one thing rule 34 doesn't need, its an excuse to give a girl catears

[Kyanbu The Legend]

Wow even the lead director is getting tired of the same old Zelda. (http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/194319/Zeldas_Aonuma_If_we_dont_change_we_might_die.php)

[Loyal]

How many people seriously found that sexy? I mean its a full body catsuit that if anything hides her curves. Cute yea, but about as innocent as you can get.

Some men aren't after fame, or anything else logical, like money or power. Some men can't be bullied or reasoned with - but they might be available for commissions. Some men... just want to make the world porn.

I mean shit, just hours after Wii Fit Trainer was announced for the new Smash Bros...

[Kyanbu The Legend]

Rule 34 knows no delays. Always on time, like clock work.


Woah my post count was 4444 for a while there.

[Locke cole]

Wow even the lead director is getting tired of the same old Zelda. (http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/194319/Zeldas_Aonuma_If_we_dont_change_we_might_die.php)

Not exactly new, since the stated mission for the new Wii U Zelda is to challenge established notions like "you gotta do the temples in order" and other things.

[Yumil]

Not exactly new, since the stated mission for the new Wii U Zelda is to challenge established notions like "you gotta do the temples in order" and other things.

Whats funny is for the first few games I sequence broke all the time, without knowing I wasn't supposed to.

Like in my first play through of Link to the Past, I had hit one of those dark/light world tiles in the forest before completing the Palace of Darkness and noticed I was blocked off by the pegs. Once I completed the Palace of Darkness and had the hammer I of course went back to explore and ended up in Thieves Town, which I then completed because it didn't need anything other than the hammer from the dungeons.

I don't remember why, but the next dungeon I ended up doing was Misery Mire, which shoulda been impossible as there's one section that requires the hook shot. I remember being stuck on that and finally figuring out a way to bomb myself across. I think I did the rest of the dungeons in order though. I found it odd talking to my friends about the dark world dungeons in the order I did them and it not matching up with any of my friends(they did the normal Palace->Swamp->Skull Woods->etc.. path).

[Locke cole]

Veterans would encourage you to do Misery Mire before the Ice Palace, at least.

Because screw that block puzzle.

[Azisien]

Each purchase of the Xbone comes with a personalized video of one of our marketing team members strangling a puppy, delivered straight to your hard drive*!

*Assuming you pass our three layers of online authentication and give us your credit card details.

[Shyria Dracnoir]

Saw this on a Tumblr post with no other source listed, so take with a shaker of salt, but...

http://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc230/Shyria_Dracnoir/tumblr_moeyttqAY01riub9mo1_500_zps3677aa5c.jpg

http://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc230/Shyria_Dracnoir/tumblr_moeyttqAY01riub9mo2_500_zps00750d66.jpg

The latest rumors surrounding the Xbox One are that the demos that Microsoft allowed people to play on at E3 were not running on an Xbox One, but instead running on high-end PCs with Titan graphics cards.


If this is the case, they were running the games on a system that is around 3x faster than the Xbox One.

These rumors are backed up by images that clearly show a high-end desktop under the displays of the Xbox One stands at E3.

[Aldurin]

But we already have enough shit-icing on this shit-cake of a fiasco!

[akaSM]

Does that mean that I'll be able to run xbone games on my PC?....or maybe you need a PC to use a xbone because, Microsoft knows no one wants windows 8 and, wants to boost it's sales...like 2 turds for the price of 4!

Deal of the century!

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Wow even the lead director is getting tired of the same old Zelda. (http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/194319/Zeldas_Aonuma_If_we_dont_change_we_might_die.php)

Tutorial haters.

Y Zelda cant crawl?

[Locke cole]

Zelda can do the duck-walk, though.

[The Artist Formerly Known as Hawk]

But we already have enough shit-icing on this shit-cake of a fiasco!

But you can also have a nice big blob of shit-whipped cream to go on top of your deliciously moist shit-cake, and if you pay £100 extra you get 3 servings of shit-ice cream covered in a shit-chocolate sauce! Wouldn't you like that too?

[Loyal]

Damnit guys I ate like twenty minutes ago.

[Revising Ocelot]

I could do an impression of The Great Mighty Poo over Skype, if it helps.

[Bells]

Saw this on a Tumblr post with no other source listed, so take with a shaker of salt, but...

http://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc230/Shyria_Dracnoir/tumblr_moeyttqAY01riub9mo1_500_zps3677aa5c.jpg

http://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc230/Shyria_Dracnoir/tumblr_moeyttqAY01riub9mo2_500_zps00750d66.jpg

That's windows 7 right?

If this is true than not even microsoft uses windows 8 for gaming for fucks sake

[Arcanum]

This doesn't really surprise me. I bet Sony did something similar with its PS4 games. If it's true that they were using Titan cards then yeah that's ridiculous, but E3 is all about wowing the press and getting people hyped up. It's just now people got a peak behind the curtains, so they're freaking their shit.

[Grandmaster_Skweeb]

doesn't exactly set a good precedence for them when they route W8 as the new big thing everyone needs..and don't use it themselves. on rigs that have significantly better specs than their console product.

Quality product confidence there on both fronts.

[Kyanbu The Legend]

Microsoft... that PR just keeps getting worse huh.

Geez this might be their worse E3 over all in terms of PR.

[Aldurin]

Microsoft... that PR just keeps getting worse huh.

Geez this might be their worse E3 over all in terms of PR.

And Sony walks away happy because while their PR wasn't necessarily fantastic, it was definitely not the garbage their main competitor shat out, slipped on and faceplanted in, and then was shoved into again by Sony the moment they tried to get up.

[Aerozord]

This doesn't really surprise me. I bet Sony did something similar with its PS4 games. If it's true that they were using Titan cards then yeah that's ridiculous, but E3 is all about wowing the press and getting people hyped up. It's just now people got a peak behind the curtains, so they're freaking their shit.

its why I never trust anything I see a E3, I know its all a big show and there is no reason to think the actual game will resemble what we see. Especially when it comes to new consoles when alot of it is theoretical demonstrations of what it could potentially do at some point.

Like PS3 years ago was trying to show off all its fancy graphics and was a rare case where the hardware could actually do that, but big deal because it was such a pain to tap into its full processing power few devs even bothered.

My point is even if the games were on the actual console I wouldn't trust finely crafted demos of a game. Its relatively easy to make a single section of a level look beautiful and play flawlessly. Its another to make 10+ (often atleast 20+) hours of game look and play great

[Loyal]

My point is even if the games were on the actual console I wouldn't trust finely crafted demos of a game. Its relatively easy to make a single section of a level look beautiful and play flawlessly. Its another to make 10+ (often atleast 20+) hours of game look and play great Someone explain to me why this is a problem...?

e: Like assuming they aren't doing some pre-rendered thing that is in no way representative of the actual game, but that doesn't sound anything like what Aero is describing.

[Aerozord]

Someone explain to me why this is a problem...?


because it means there is no reason to believe they are showing the product that will actually be on the market. Since its not the actual product why should I base my buying preferences on what they show me? I'm not gonna cater to their hype-machine and viral marketing. Hand me a demo playing on native hardware then we can talk.

edit: and in case this was the missunderstanding. I find nothing ethically wrong with this, put your best foot forward. I just dont see much reason to care about it.

[Loyal]

If they were showing the product that "would actually be on the market" they wouldn't have any need for a show like E3 because their product is already on its way out the door.

Do you understand the idea of a demo?

[Bells]

E3 Demos out of PC's is something we already know it happens. Thing is... most consoles are pretty much PC's made to specific demands. Most devkits are overly specialized PC's too...

When a console is about to launch in a 6 month window i would imagine that any consoel shown on stage is merely a shell, a case, and that the actual finished product is in production. Given that excuse i can mostly accept not having a good dozen of perfectly functioning devices displayed on the show floor.

Still... the gaming communicty grows more and more tired with scripted demos, pre-rendered trailers and an overall lack of a finished product that reflects what the consumer will actually buy available to display on stage.

I think it is VERY import to be made known that E3 is not Kickstarter. We as consumers are not generating buzz for concepts and tech demos. that's not what we want. What we want is to see, play first hand, be excited about finished products or at least stuff that reflects the final product.

with each passing yea rit becomes a bit easier to spot the clearly pre-rendered-as-gameplay videos and the scripted demos on stage. If it's legit, it's fine... even Assassin's Creed Black Flag crashing on stage was fine. The game is not finished and ons tage demos are prompt to mishap, it happens. But from FF13 and Madmax and so fort, i really no longer feel the hype for those games...

[Azisien]

This E3 did not seem as bad as, say, the PS3 launch E3, where the tech demos were a whole load of made-up bullshit that didn't ever happen. Most of the gameplay footage I saw this year is all within the realm of possibility, if not straight up gameplay footage most of the time.

I actually liked the Microsoft conference (though still not the console). I hate that they have some great exclusive games on the way, and I hope it's time-limited exclusivity. Apparently I am not the only one mad about DR3 being exclusive, because the DR3 facebook page is getting trolled non-stop.

Not sure about the Xbox One booth specifically. The sources on the stories aren't great, but if it's true these "dev kits" are running GTX700 series cards, hah, yeah right, Microsoft.

[Aerozord]

E3 is kind of pointless. This is the video game industry, the largest entertainment medium in the world. We dont need a big fancy show to generate interest in the industry. The only time we ever get new information from E3 is because companies intentionally hide it for E3. Even when that new information appears, as I said there is little reason to assume its indicative of the actual game being produced. In this day and age we dont need big press events, they can easily disseminate this information any time they want over the internet.

What E3 does do is tie up alot of resources that could go into making these games. Remember these demos and trailers are designed to impress not to be functional in actual practice. This often means little can be salvaged for actual use.

[Loyal]

Again, I don't see the problem here.

I can't even understand what you're arguing. The closest I can get assumes you're treating cinematic trailers and gameplay demos as the same thing, which is utter nonsense. They aren't going to create a bunch of assets for a gameplay demo and then throw them out, with the exception of some placeholder assets which would have been created anyway because that's part of the process.

The argument that shows like E3 are a waste of time is also kinda weird because it's a form of marketing. They have a show which is guaranteed to get enormous numbers of viewers, what better way is there to get people excited for your game? It's like saying Superbowl advertisements are a waste of time/money because other means of advertisement exist already.

[Bells]

Well, we don't really need the oscars either, but....

The real difference is only that E3 deals with Pre while the Oscars deals with Post.

Also, there IS a second layer to E3 one that we will mostly like not experience (most of us at least) and that's being on the show floor experiencing the games and talking with the people making it.

Trailers and screenshots make a lot of noise, sure, but the opinion of Journalists and bloggers and youtubers about the games they just saw and PLAYED makes a big difference. That's something E3 can provide that is exclusive to it's medium in scope and approach.

I'll take just for a light hearted example, the recent "Two Best Friends at e3" video, where Mat was talking about the new Killer Instinct. That game left a bad impression on the Stage due to stupid bullshit, but it looked impressive.

Then, this youtuber guy picks the thing up, Plays it freely, turns to the camera and goes "it's a street fighter 4 clone". I know this guy has relations with the Tournament scene of fighting games and that he, and friends of his, play the things competitively. So, that nudge of information told me a LOT about a game being hyped as shit that is not even out yet. But now i know what to expect out of it, and E3 provided that opportunity that no amount of PR could deliver as legit as Mat just did.

So, E3 is not useless... it's just too much fluff. This year was actually pretty focused. remember the previous ones? Bullshit laser tag on stage.... weird puppet shows that go no where... celebrities cameos... cirque du solei... i mean, wtf!

[Ramary]

Bullshit laser tag on stage.... weird puppet shows that go no where... celebrities cameos... cirque du solei... i mean, wtf!

But that is the best part of E3, E3 2010 was so memorable because it was like the event horizon of all the stupid shit that came with it.

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[Aerozord]

So, E3 is not useless... it's just too much fluff. This year was actually pretty focused. remember the previous ones? Bullshit laser tag on stage.... weird puppet shows that go no where... celebrities cameos... cirque du solei... i mean, wtf!

yea expos in and of themselves have a point. Though going off what you said E3 has a smoke-n-mirror to fact ratio thats really out of whack. Its because its the big one is why its also the least reliable.

[The Artist Formerly Known as Hawk]

This thread was more fun when we were discussing how terrible Microsoft are.

[Arcanum]

Speaking of how terrible Microsoft is, it turns out they're not as terrible as the internet mobs would have you believe. (http://www.forzacentral.com/forum/threads/xbox-one-games-did-not-run-on-high-end-pcs-at-e3.39428/)

The Xbox One games at E3 were running on Xbox One dev kits and not high end PCs. A particular developer showing off the game Lococycle did not finish porting their game to Xbox One so they ran their games on PCs at the event.

The lead for the developer below confirming they were the only ones at the event doing it and they were doing it on there own. There is another guy who was behind the scenes at E3 and said that the games were running on Xbox Ones and the crashes proved it. Another picture shows the game RYSE running on Xbox Ones on the floor and a video shows the UI run on a Xbox One showing off features on camera.

[Arcanum]

Xbox One? More like Xbox One-Eighty. (http://www.giantbomb.com/articles/microsoft-to-pull-complete-reversal-on-xbox-one-dr/1100-4673/) (okay I totally stole that joke from 40 thousand other people who thought it up first, but still, it's funny).

Anyway,


No more always online requirement
The console no longer has to check in every 24 hours
All game discs will work on Xbox One as they do on Xbox 360
An Internet connection is only required when initially setting up the console
All downloaded games will function the same when online or offline
No additional restrictions on trading games or loaning discs
Region locks have been dropped


It looks like MS learned that you actually can not tell gamers what they want and how they want to play their games.

I will admit, I'm a little sad that they went with the smart choice because it would have been extremely entertaining to watch the Xbox One fail horrendously. Now it actually has a chance.

[Loyal]

http://i.imgur.com/T4rYutM.gif

[The Artist Formerly Known as Hawk]

Of course, by now a lot of people have probably already put in pre-orders for PS4 or are so dissillusioned with MS that they will still not buy it, so the damage may already have been done.

It could still fail catastrophically.

[Ramary]

The fact they even attempt such a thing should be a reason they fail. I am kinda disappointed that many people's minds will be changed by this move.

[Bells]

To have minds be changed by this alone would be a fools game to play.

[Grandmaster_Skweeb]

Microsoft has a fair bit too much pride to let this slide. they've never taken well to caving in to pressure and backpedaling on their 'innovations.' my guess is they'll bake the restrictions into tiered account groups. Get X bonuses with Y 'features' kind of deal.

This reeks of a desperabe last ditch bid for positive rep. Now they just have to make the kinect an optional peripheral and their bid would be more successful. as is it is kinda half-assed without that.

A friend put it this way, which is pretty amusing and accurate, "You can't pour gasoline on someone's leg, light it, then hose them down with an extinguisher immediately after and expect praise for putting out the fire you started."