Pokemon Sun and Moon: Adorable Starters Edition

[Tev]

The Starters and Legendaries got released today. (www.pokemon.com/us/pokemon-video-games/pokemon-sun-and-pokemon-moon/)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v110/Loneglade/Starter_zps1wuocilk.jpg

As per the usual, I'm fairly certain the fire starter (Litten) is the most adorable and amazing.

The Legendaries look like a Sun-faced lion monster and the Moon Queen of all Zubats.

[Flarecobra]

SO getting Pyros..er, Litten. Because kitty.

Also, have a video.

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Looks like we're going on a tropical vacation this time.

[Tev]

Which is really funny for me because when I ran a Pokemon RPG game for my friends a year or so ago, I made up my own region from scratch and based it off of the Hawaiian Islands. There weren't any new pokemon or anything, I just picked out 150ish that looked like they'd be in a tropical region.

[greed]

The owl and cat both rule. The seal....

Hawaii is cool and makes sense due to the huge expat Japanese population and given that and the tropical imagery it was going to be Hawaii or Brazil.

Also character customisation is back. The trailer shows clothing changes and

http://i.imgur.com/mJxvKwU.png

YES. Good to see that doesn't join the pile of 'amazing shit we get for one generation' that Gamefreak loves to grow.

[Bard The 5th LW]

Gonna get so Lit.

[greed]

Probably taking the owl but I'll trade for the cat so I can have both.

[Flarecobra]

So, who will name their fire cat after Pyros? :P

[Solid Snake]

If I actually played Pokemon I'd definitely choose the seal because everyone on the interwebs is hatin' on the seal right now and that poor cute animal did nothing wrong, what the fuck do you all have against cute seals?

[Tev]

Nothing, it's just not the fire starter. If it was a fire seal, it'd be my starter.

[Flarecobra]

It wouldn't matter what element it was, I chose Litten because kitty.

[Arcanum]

People hated on http://i.imgur.com/XFzZTiJ.png but he turned into a badass http://i.imgur.com/cAfJX8y.png so I'm withholding judgement until we see evolutions.

Although my judgement won't matter because I always pick the fire starter regardless of everything, so Litten #1 all day every day.

[Solid Snake]

Why is fire such a popular element among Pokemon players?

[phil_]

Because one-in-two pokemans is water type and grass is so boring it's weak to bugs.

Addendum: What's more fun, watching grass grow or watching fire grow?

P.P.S.I'd choose the sealIf it was a fire seal, it'd be my starter.It's a sea lion; seals don't have visible ears. It's like you didn't spend your childhoods watching sea lion shows at Kings Dominion.

[greed]

The sea lion is reminiscent of clowns and clowns are creepy and terrible.

The professor looks cool and I hope he ends up nearly as cool as the best professor. Rowan the Asshole.

[Tev]

P.P.S.It's a sea lion; seals don't have visible ears. It's like you didn't spend your childhoods watching sea lion shows at Kings Dominion.
I know it's a sea lion. I've been using the terms interchangeably because I'm too lazy to type one more word sometimes.

To answer Snake about fire types: For me it was the nostalgia of going at the early game in hard mode with type disadvantage against Brock and Misty's gyms back when I was playing Red and Blue. Plus Charmander was my favorite starter then and has since colored my expectations for every other Pokemon game.

EDIT: Plus all the fire starters in the TV series have been the most adorable.
EDIT EDIT: Except Tepig. He was the only fire starter I wasn't overwhelmingly happy to have. But that might have just been me suffering from Fire/Fighting fatigue.

[Flarecobra]

In Gen 1, I varied up who I picked, so I can't say any real preferance either way.

Gen 2, I went with the fire type because I thought it was the cutest, and Quilava is probably my favorite Gen 2 pokemon.

Gen 3: I went with the grass starter... I think it was this point that I really started to lean to the reptilian types.

Gen 4: Back with the fire type, as Gen 4 was rather lacking in them.

Gen 5: My favorite: Serperior, from the grass-type starter (Notice a trend?)

Gen 6: Once again, fire type with Fennikin, and I was quite satisified with the psychic attacks of the final form.

Gen 7 seems to be the one that bucks my trend.

[Tev]

I look forward to the battles.

https://67.media.tumblr.com/3a9206f062fd521a07488f18fcd90887/tumblr_o74hzmIKve1s6v5vdo1_400.gif

[BB]

I went grass/fire/grass/water/grass/water, and I'll be going Grass once again in gen 7. Odd number gens are grass gens apparently!

[Shyria Dracnoir]

Unless there are any super standout version exclusives, I may end up putting Moon and a 2DS down for my Christmas list this year

[Kyanbu The Legend]

While I was not expecting a tropical theme so soon after the gen 3 remakes. It does look very pretty. Also we finally get a cat starter.

[Solid Snake]

Now I'm sorely tempted to try my very first Pokemon just so I can bludgeon all the haters with the sea lion. REVENGE on you cat lovin' foo's

[Menarker]

I'm torn.

On the one hand, I love kitties.
On the other hand, that dapper looking barn owl looks adorably appealing.

[rpgdemon]

I greatly enjoy this: http://kumagawa.tumblr.com/post/144149097383/heard-that-u-were-talking-shit

[Flarecobra]

I'm torn.

On the one hand, I love kitties.
On the other hand, that dapper looking barn owl looks adorably appealing.

Solution: Take one, get a friend who has the other breed you one and give it to you.

[Tev]

And here's the next stage up...

http://66.media.tumblr.com/f541680e4bf5e73eaefacc690c422e58/tumblr_o737to3PjF1r9s07oo1_400.jpg

Still feeling good about my fire cat choice. Hoping for Fire/Dark......

[Flarecobra]

Are these the real ones? I'm not finding anything that backs it up...

[Tev]

It was from the Tumblr rpgdemon linked to. The post said that it was leaked and then removed only to be confirmed later. I haven't dug any deeper yet.

[Flarecobra]

Well, anyway, got an article that strongly suggests the final evolved forms types.

Grass/Flying
Fire/Ground
Water/Fighting.

http://www.inquisitr.com/3101123/pokemon-sun-and-moon-starter-evolutions-leaked-from-pokemons-official-site/

[Tev]

Looks like that art from above is actually fake.

http://www.pixiv.net/member_illust.php?mode=medium&illust_id=56828680

I can't read what's behind this link, but others that have been discussing it are very certain the art isn't real.

[Tev]

New Trailer is here!

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Of note:
-We meet Professor Kukui
-Learn the types and names of the legendaries (Solgaleo [Psychic/Steel] and Lunala [Psychic/Ghost])
-We get four different racial customizations for the male and female main characters
-The professor has a "mysterious assistant" named Lillie
-Your boyfriend's name is Hau
-For some inexplicable reason, a Rotom has possessed your Pokedex and is going to be your most annoying traveling companion ever since you lost Joey's phone number.

[BB]

Lillie is the best thing that ever happened

EDIT: ever

[Flarecobra]

Minor aside here: Manaphy is available over Mystery Gift this month for those who wish to snag one.

[Kyanbu The Legend]

New Trailer is here!

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Of note:
-We meet Professor Kukui
-Learn the types and names of the legendaries (Solgaleo [Psychic/Steel] and Lunala [Psychic/Ghost])
-We get four different racial customizations for the male and female main characters
-The professor has a "mysterious assistant" named Lillie
-Your boyfriend's name is Hau
-For some inexplicable reason, a Rotom has possessed your Pokedex and is going to be your most annoying traveling companion ever since you lost Joey's phone number.
But Dat Rattata. It was the top percent of top percent! He beat a Mewtwo once you know.

I wonder how soon you'll be allowed to access the Pokemon Bank in Gen Seven. Would love to transfer my Jolteon, Pigeot, Nedoking, and Nedoqueen over from my E-Shop copy of Pokemon Yellow over to Moon Version for at least the Pokemon League and Post game stuff.

[Revising Ocelot]

The design of the female protagonist http://i.imgur.com/nktanpo.jpg

[Bum Bill Bee]

OMG, brown protags in a pokemon game, what HAS the world come to!?


And as for the starters, I may just go with the clown seal, just to see what clown names I'd give him. Zeebo? Zombozo? Horney? Homey? Darph Bobo? Gamzee? Cheeso? The Great Melinko?


I certainly couldn't call him Sweethtooth though...

[Flarecobra]

We got some new pokemon information! (http://serebii.net/news/2016/14-June-2016.shtml)

[Nikose Tyris]

BATTLE ROYALE

FOUR POKEMON ENTER

ONE POKEMON LEAVES

[Flarecobra]

BATTLE ROYALE

FOUR POKEMON TRAINERS ENTER

ONE POKEMON TRAINER LEAVES


Fixed it for you. :)

And as you can see in this screenshot, you arn't stuck with the rooster hat.

https://66.media.tumblr.com/449dae1076e5eb5bcc2ee141c5080824/tumblr_o8s85csNk31ru89vdo1_540.jpg

[rpgdemon]

BATTLE ROYALE

FOUR POKEMON TRAINERS ENTER

THREE POKEMON TRAINERS LEAVE
Fixed it for you. :)


Fixed it for you. :)

(Battle Royales go until one trainer is eliminated, then the remaining 3 get points based on how well they did)

[BB]

With no further news of Lillie this was the most disappointing Pokemon update ever

[Tev]

Yeah, all we really got were some Route 1 pokemon.

Grubbin's kinda cute though....

http://66.media.tumblr.com/0f412ced3d9f039a2da592eddea2abeb/tumblr_o8rtsvV60z1r8sc3ro1_500.png

[Menarker]

Grubbin might be evolve into something special down the line. The pokedex entry that was provided for Grubbin implies it might gain an electric type.

"Grubbin relies on its sturdy jaw as a weapon in battle and as a tool for burrowing through the earth. Grubbin loves electricity, which is why it can be found near power plants and substations. By wrapping tree branches in the sticky threads that it spews from its mouth, Grubbin can swing around like an actor on suspension wires!"

[Tev]

So, has anyone seen this yet?

http://hackbag.tumblr.com/post/145992628191/this-was-on-actual-television-to-be-seen-by

[Tev]

Hey, some new pokemon!

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[Tev]

New stuff!

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[BB]

I'm loving pretty much everything I'm seeing from this game. Looks like it's really shaking up the formula but remaining distinctly pokemon. My only complaint is they finally make a grass dragon and they give it to one of gen 1's worst pokemon?

Also, the trailer apparently all but confirms one of the many many "leaks" is genuine, click here (http://metro.co.uk/2016/08/01/final-forms-of-pokemon-sunmoon-starter-pokemon-leaked-6042274/) if you're not spoiler shy.

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[Kyanbu The Legend]

I'm already buying this game day 1. Ice type Ninetails only sealed the deal even more. I NEED IT!!!!! Please Nintendo, please let this be a buff to Ninetails. I bothers me how average it is compared to other fire types despite being a nine tailed fox sprite. T_T

ON the other hand. I think the new Sandcrew is 4x weak to fighting and fire... Some one hates that little guy...

[Flarecobra]

So, any bets that the DBZ moves will be a THING to stay?

Though I do hope we still have the option to catch the normal versions... if not...well... always the pokemon bank.

[Kyanbu The Legend]

Most likely yeah. The reimagining are treated as new pokemon. The Z moves might stay, we still have mega evolution though new one's haven't been shown off yet.

[Arcanum]

So they're adding a way to track and train IVs now. (http://www.serebii.net/sunmoon/hypertraining.shtml) I think this is a great choice, since IVs are a horribly obscure mechanic that can only be manipulated through excessive hours spent breeding. However I already have some friends on Facebook who are elitist breeders when it comes to pokemon (spending those hundreds of hours breeding to get the "perfect" pokemon) complaining about the addition.


Also I really hope those sketches aren't the actual final form, mainly because I don't want yet another Fire/Fighting starter.

If it turns out they are true, then I guess I'm picking a grass starter for the first time ever.

[Kyanbu The Legend]

No matter what they say, there's really no skill to IV breeding. It's grinding that was overdue for a retool. And I'm glad we can finally train them even farther to max out IVs since it's required to play in competitive and actually stand a chance.

[Menarker]

No matter what they say, there's really no skill to IV breeding. It's grinding that was overdue for a retool. And I'm glad we can finally train them even farther to max out IVs since it's required to play in competitive and actually stand a chance.

Agreed. Although I hope we'll also have the option to train them in the other direction, reducing stats too. Stuff like Gyro Ball which works best when your speed stat is lower, pure special attackers who don't want Atk stat in case of confusion affliction, or trying to get the right combo of IVs for Hidden Power (They should fix up Hidden Power so Fairy type can be used).

Heh, imagine the justification for it:

"Magnezone lounged about on the couch watching for a week; Its Speed IV dropped by 1!"

[Flarecobra]

Interesting thing, looking at the formula... it's not really all that easy to get a dark-type Hidden Power attack.

HPtype= [(a+2b+4c+8d+16e+32f)*15/63]

where a, b, c, d, e, f (the "type bits") are the least significant bit of their respective IV's. If a number is odd, its least significant bit is 1, and it is 0 otherwise.

a depends on the HP IV.
b and c depend on the Attack and Defense IV's respectively.
d depends on the Speed IV.
e and f depend on the Special Attack and Special Defense IV's respectively.

And as a result, the sum will end up somewhere between 0-15, which then translates to the element type the attack will be.

So to include Fairy, they'll have to completely rework the formula... which really should be done anyway because having a less then 2% chance for a dark-type HP attack while everything else is 16%-17%... yeah.

[Kyanbu The Legend]

And that's why I don't like using Hidden Power. It just didn't work out for me.

[Flarecobra]

Some new info has come out.

Aloha Meowth: Now Dark Type.
Aloha Marowak: Now Ghost/Fire. (Gen 1 callback anyone?)

And new pokemon:

Sunabaa and Shirodesuna, Ghost/Ground types. Patterned after sand castles.
Yowashi, Water type. Can change form.
Nuikoguma, Bewear's pre-evolved form. Same typing.

And finally, the new Baddie Team.... Team Skull.

Images can be found here. (http://nintendonews.com/blog/corocoro-leaks-alolan-meowth-marowak-four-new-pokemon/)

[Kyanbu The Legend]

Hmm I'm a little surprised they showed Aloha Meowth and Marowak but not their evolved and pre-evolved forms respectively.

Kind of odd to do that for this set of reveals. Guess they'll be shown next.

[Malek]

They didn't show off aloha exeggcute when they showed us exeggcutor either.
It's possible that the pre-evolved forms won't be changing in these cases, but I'd be surprised if Persian didn't change.

[Token]

Eggsecute doesn't really need one. It's a group of seeds, they just grow higher.

[Flarecobra]

Have a new trailer, and more new pokemon info!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Py2LxgWBaRQ

[Tev]

https://67.media.tumblr.com/eb9257d60a425649df72cc40a163dbc8/tumblr_oc0lmw06sz1sluwcco1_540.png

Well doesn't this look pretty......

[Flarecobra]

Too bad it's fake. Source. (http://retrogamerblog.com/post/148958992792/dragonair-alola-form-fanart-by-edwardantelio)

Anyway, have another trailer that shows off new pokemon.

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[phil_]

I'd like to congratulate whoever on the localization team got that bear named "stfu."

[Kyanbu The Legend]

Oh my god that's perfect! XD

[Flarecobra]

So, we got confirmation that the snorlax line will be in the game in today's Nintendo Direct, (http://www.pokemon.com/uk/pokemon-news/dont-miss-out-on-munchlax-in-pokemon-sun-and-pokemon-moon/) as well as a new form for Rattata.

https://68.media.tumblr.com/99130e09f6e788942e99791d14e5f5ba/tumblr_octwgokI9m1r8sc3ro1_r1_540.jpg

Alolan Rattata- Dark/Normal

"In Pokémon Sun and Pokémon Moon, you'll discover Rattata that are different from the Rattata you've met before. Unlike ordinary Rattata, urban areas are Alolan Rattata's main habitat. They are nocturnal and live in nests of several dozen. Alolan Raticate serve as their bosses.

As a countermeasure to the exploding Rattata population in the Alola region, Yungoos were imported and released. To better avoid Yungoos, Rattata changed their preferred environments and circadian rhythms. These adaptations to their new environment led to their changed form.

Alolan Rattata have an excellent aptitude for sniffing out delicious fresh foods in Alola. They pay no attention to foods that aren't fresh."

And also, a new trailer.

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[Tev]

You know, at first that Snorlax was scary when they were all "after fifteen years of sleeping, he's ready to unleash his ultimate moves!" and then they ruined it because his ultimate attack is that his lard-butt sits on your pokemon until they are flat.

[Kyanbu The Legend]

So that's what I get for preordering the game. Not bad and honestly a little terrifying to know that Snorlax can move like O_O.

Well we are getting a free legendary every month so It all balances out.

[Flarecobra]

Wait a second... does this mean Joey is secretly an agent of the Dark side? No wonder he keeps calling! He's trying to turn you!

[Kyanbu The Legend]

Wait a second... does this mean Joey is secretly an agent of the Dark side? No wonder he keeps calling! He's trying to turn you!

Mother of Arceus... it all makes sense now... :eek:

That Fiend!


Also

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Aether are making artificial pokemon in secret. Calling it now.

[Daimo Mac, The Blue Light of Hope]

So is Zygarde now Jenova?

[BB]

Aether are making artificial pokemon in secret. Calling it now.

Aether could be making dynamite from cubone skulls and I'd still cheer them on for as long as Lusamine continues to look like that

[greed]

With all the stuff about Team Skull actually caring for their own and being a pseudo-family, combined with all the dead obvious villain stuff about Aether I am totally calling Aether revealing themselves as villains in Act 2 and you teaming up with a reformed Team Skull to save the world from Lusamine pulling some sort of Ragyo/Gendo act.

Aether could be making dynamite from cubone skulls and I'd still cheer them on for as long as Lusamine continues to look like that

Me and my boy Guzma will stop her.

[BB]

Just don't ruin the hair and we're good.

[Daimo Mac, The Blue Light of Hope]

Well, some more news. It appears to unleash the Z Movie, you and the 'mon need to channel the Ginyu Squad a bit.

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[Tev]

So was I the only one who was let down by that Eevee Z move? Like, that was a wonderful setup to some Captain Planet-level craziness with all the eevolutions or some mega elemental cannon attack or something.....and it just ended in a simple power boost.

[Flarecobra]

I note the "affection" mechanic actually has in-game effects now, such as an increased dodge chance, and a change to survive a KO blow.

[Tev]

I guess I'm going to have to start taking better care of my pokemon.....

[Flarecobra]

I wonder how that'll affect "nuzlocke" plays.

[Bard The 5th LW]

So was I the only one who was let down by that Eevee Z move? Like, that was a wonderful setup to some Captain Planet-level craziness with all the eevolutions or some mega elemental cannon attack or something.....and it just ended in a simple power boost.

It was such a letdown that I almost feel like the whole setup had to be a joke.

[Kyanbu The Legend]

I note the "affection" mechanic actually has in-game effects now, such as an increased dodge chance, and a change to survive a KO blow.

Yup, ever since Gen 6. That should still be the case here.

And judging by the Moon Exclusives so far. I semi regret preordering that version so soon. Sun version got my favorite Lycanroc. The one I'll get in my moon version looks a little...unhinged... >_>;

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So was I the only one who was let down by that Eevee Z move? Like, that was a wonderful setup to some Captain Planet-level craziness with all the eevolutions or some mega elemental cannon attack or something.....and it just ended in a simple power boost.

Considering how bad all of Eevee's states are. I'm actually pleased it gets a seemly large boost to all stats instead. Because good lord it needs that badly.

[Tev]

Considering how bad all of Eevee's states are. I'm actually pleased it gets a seemly large boost to all stats instead. Because good lord it needs that badly.Yeah but that boost could have come with a temporary sprite change or something. I wanted it to look like my eevee went super saiyan or something. Glowing gold aura.....something!

[BB]

My friend Pasq points out that Eevee's Z move is a soft confirmation that there's no new eevos in this gen. Which is fine, because the best one already exists.

[Kyanbu The Legend]

Yeah but that boost could have come with a temporary sprite change or something. I wanted it to look like my eevee went super saiyan or something. Glowing gold aura.....something!

Yes, Captain Eevee could have been awesome looking.

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My friend Pasq points out that Eevee's Z move is a soft confirmation that there's no new eevos in this gen. Which is fine, because the best one already exists.

There's usually a 1 gen gap between eevolutions so there's that adding to the chance of there not being any new ones this time around.

Was kind of hoping for a Ghost one as an Opposite to Sylveon. But it's good we still have Sylveon, the best of the best of the best of Eevolution goodness.

Sylveon needs a Dragonite commercial of it's own.

Sylveon is love, Sylveon is life, Sylveon is best Poke!

[BB]

Sylveon, the best of the best of the best of Eevolution goodness.

Sylveon needs a Dragonite commercial of it's own.

Sylveon is love, Sylveon is life, Sylveon is best Poke!

https://66.media.tumblr.com/d4285b9626bd912538555422ec08a19a/tumblr_oac4jp2CYE1rc9mw1o1_400.gif

[Tev]

New stuff!

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[Kyanbu The Legend]

Rowet's second evolution is fabulous.

[Menarker]

That transferable version of Ash-Greninja is gonna practically ensure that few people will choose the water pokemon starter this gen unless its final stage happens to be competitive enough to compete at the uber tier.

[Kyanbu The Legend]

That transferable version of Ash-Greninja is gonna practically ensure that few people will choose the water pokemon starter this gen unless its final stage happens to be competitive enough to compete at the uber tier.

Yup, Poor little guy is going to be greatly ignored outside of it's fans depending on how it's final stage performs. It's hard to complete with semi-Mega Greninja.

[Arcanum]

Just dropping by to point out that one of those box islands is a forced labor camp for your unwanted pokemon. It's also called Isle Aphun, aka "isle of fun" to trick your pokemon into thinking they are playing a fun game mining in a cave all day.

[BB]

So what's special about Ash Greninja aside from fancy looks?

[Tev]

I believe it has a special unique attack.

[Daimo Mac, The Blue Light of Hope]

Yup, Poor little guy is going to be greatly ignored outside of it's fans depending on how it's final stage performs. It's hard to complete with semi-Mega Greninja.


I will get the Ashinja but I will be maining Popillo if only cause it is adorable

[mauve]

Dartrix has 90's Brendan Fraser hair.

[Arcanum]

That transferable version of Ash-Greninja is gonna practically ensure that few people will choose the water pokemon starter this gen unless its final stage happens to be competitive enough to compete at the uber tier.

Yup, Poor little guy is going to be greatly ignored outside of it's fans depending on how it's final stage performs. It's hard to complete with semi-Mega Greninja.

I mean, Ash-Greninja still has to compete against a regular Greninja with Protean. It's going to have to get quite the upgrade to make it worth not using that ability.

[Menarker]

So what's special about Ash Greninja aside from fancy looks?

I believe it has a special unique attack.

If it is anything like the anime, then it'll boost up its existing 'signature' move (Accelgor is the only other pokemon with Water Shuriken in its movelist and its Non-STAB) Water Shuriken to a level comparable to the Naruto series' Rasen-Shuriken, possibly on top of some stat boosts.

*View video at the 5:55 mark.* Spoiler alert as this episode is the final battle of the Kalos League.

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If my hypothesis is true, then the difference between Protean Greninja and Ashinja is that Protean is more of a mixed element attacker that relies on taking advantage of super effective hits, perma-STAB and damage-buff items like Life Orb to make up for its merely average Sp.ATK stat (103), while Ashinja would have higher stats and a single nuke-move (would it still have priority?) at the expense of requiring that it manages to defeat a pokemon first to trigger its transformation, making it a poor lead but excellent revenge-killer. (That and Water Shuriken is viewed as a sub-par water type move compared to Hydro Pump and Surf in its base form when it has yet to defeat an enemy). Reliance on a single move would also make it more vulnerable to the move Torment (or the ability Cursed Body). And if the Water Shuriken move is still water-type, Ashinja would be walled by those that resist or absorbs water type moves.

[Kyanbu The Legend]

My guess is the Ash Water Shuriken will probably have a base power of 120+ if it's not treated as a Z move.

[Flarecobra]

So there have been a couple of small leaks.

Alola Grimer, who will be Dark/Poison. Presumably a Muk version will follow soon.

And Jangmo-o will be evolving into a Dragon/Fighting type.

[Daimo Mac, The Blue Light of Hope]

So there have been a couple of small leaks.

Alola Grimer, who will be Dark/Poison. Presumably a Muk version will follow soon.

And Jangmo-o will be evolving into a Dragon/Fighting type.

I an't help but notice a sudden influx of Dark Types showing up as Alola Forms, well three atleast, Grimer, Meowth and Rattata

[Arcanum]

The more stuff that I see about Sun and Moon the more I'm convinced to skip this generation. The additions and changes they are making look really cool, and I'm sure the mechanics of the game will be great, but I really dislike a lot of the designs/look of the new pokemon and the Alola forms. Like, Black/White and X/Y had a lot of designs that I really liked, and my teams in those games were almost exclusively new pokemon (well obviously for B/W since you didnt get old pokemon until after the Elite Four, but even after that point I kept a lot of the new pokemon on my team).

But looking at the designs for these new pokemon and I can't help but glance over at my copy of Alpha Sapphire (which is my first time playing gen 3) which remains unfinished because I can't stand the majority of the gen 3 designs. Not to mention the amount of water routes in the game, which seems like Alola will share as well.

I hope the games do well, and that they carry over the successful bits to the next generation, but I don't see myself playing this iteration of the game.

[Kyanbu The Legend]

I'm liking Type:Null's evolution so far, Silvadi. Beautiful and it can be what ever type it feels like being through the use of it's own version of the "plates" held items.

The versatility is strong with this one.

[Menarker]

Pokemon Sun/Moon demo has been released. People have been attempting to data-mine the game. It was discovered that while Nintendo has removed the default sprites of the pokemon from the demo hidden data, they forgot to remove the shiny sprites. Nintendo has been trying to perform damage control on various sites and forums, but much of the damage is already done. (Someone is gonna get fired for this oversight...)

So in essence, all new pokemon sprites have been data-mined (at least those that have been encoded in the demo in the first place).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mJnB7EHQ2XU

This gen looks like a smaller one to be sure. Fewer new pokemon, many of which are just Aloha version of pre-existing pokemon. (Unless there is more pokemon that just haven't yet been inserted as data in the demo).
The fact that the Ultra-Beasts have their own shiny sprites hint that they might be capable of being captured. Although the shiny sprites could be there just to prevent glitches (like ??? typed Arceus being in the code in its first iteration. Just cause its there doesn't mean the players will use it or even see it in normal gameplay.)
No new megas. They seem to be focusing on Aloha forms and Z-moves.
Several new moves are revealed as well (perhaps not in the above video). Moves like Aurora Veil (Reflect and Light Screen at the same time but likely limited to a select few ice type pokemon like Aurorus), Psychic Terrain (Increase power of psychic moves, those on ground cannot be affected by priority moves), Laser Focus (The move used right after this move is 100% sure of critting), and Throat Chop (Disables 'sound moves' like Hyper Voice, Supersonic, Sing, and essentially all moves that Soundproof would block).

Wimpod's evolution is amazingly terrifying! Similar in impact to Magikarp evolving to a Gyarados. The evolution looks like it could fit in an Aliens Vs Predators movie (and possibly WIN).
Peckipeck's evolution seems to be single stage (like Swellow). The alternative idea that people are thinking of when they look at the video above where it changes species entirely from Woodpecker to Toucan (like I thought at first glance) is honestly nonsensical. Or at least I hope it is.

EDIT: Also, the previous thoughts I had about AshGreninja (Ashinja?) seems to be correct. Apparently its hitpoints and both defense stats stay as is, its speed stat takes a small increase of 10, while both attack stats jump by 50 points each, violating previous examples of mega-evolutions being 100 point increase (although its technically not a mega and it needs to defeat a pokemon first before it can change form). Also Water Shuriken is being changed to being special type this gen, and Battle Bonding to Ashinja makes Water Shuriken stronger.

According to Serebii, Z-moves have their power and physical/special typing based on what the power and physical/special typing of the base move that is being used to make the pokemon eligible for the Z-move.
For example: Gigavolt Havoc from Thunderbolt is 175 base power and Special. Nuzzle makes it have 100 and is Physical. Electro Ball it is 160 and Special.
Paralyze status affliction nerfed to reduce a pokemon's speed to half, instead of 25%.

EDIT2: Why do several of the Aloha forms basically consist of "normal pokemon + slight shape-change + human body hair"? Aloha Geodude, Rattata, Diglett (FABULOUS. =3 ) are basically the same pokemon but slap on a human-hairdo. >_>

[Kyanbu The Legend]

And the starter leak was true after all, YES!! I get my Ranger Rowlet! X3 That hoodie made of leaves is awesome.

I downloaded the demo earlier today, I'll get to playing it vary soon.

[Bard The 5th LW]

I am so down with that Chester Cheeto Monster cat so long as its typing is Fire/Dark and not Fire/Fighting.

But why the fuck is Alolan Persian Doraemon meets Garfield. Who thought that was a good idea.

[Flarecobra]

I just want to punch in Team Skull's faces.

[Arcanum]

Not a fan of the Ultra Beasts, not a fan of any of the Alolan forms except Marowak and Sandslash, and there's only like 8 of the new designs that I like.

I think the big thing that's turning me away from this gen is the Alolan forms. I like the idea behind it of mixing up the typing of existing pokemon, but oh my god are the designs an eyesore.

[Menarker]

I am so down with that Chester Cheeto Monster cat so long as its typing is Fire/Dark and not Fire/Fighting.


Chances of the fire starter's final form being fire/dark is fairly likely actually. That character is based off Japan's famous wrestler heel of the 80s Tiger Mask (who in turn was a homage from a manga with the same name). According to TVtropes, 5 other wrestlers have adopted that persona since then.

But anyhow, given the dark type proliferation for dirty fighting, a heel from the wrestling scene is fitting.

[Bard The 5th LW]

Not a fan of the Ultra Beasts, not a fan of any of the Alolan forms except Marowak and Sandslash, and there's only like 8 of the new designs that I like.

I think the big thing that's turning me away from this gen is the Alolan forms. I like the idea behind it of mixing up the typing of existing pokemon, but oh my god are the designs an eyesore.

I've actually felt like the Alolan forms have been the best designs so far, excluding, of course, Alolan Persian which was a missed opportunity.

[Arcanum]

I've actually felt like the Alolan forms have been the best designs so far

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[Ryong]

I saw a fake screenshot of an alolan Jigglypuff being an ACTUAL BALLOON with Jigglypuff's face on it and it was the best alolan form I saw that isn't Marowak.

[greed]

...did the demo just imply a girl and her Machamp are dating?

[Kyanbu The Legend]

...did the demo just imply a girl and her Machamp are dating?

Wait what? that's... odd. I'll have to try and find that NPC in the demo. I cleared the trial part but I haven't done much exploring yet.

[greed]

Wait what? that's... odd. I'll have to try and find that NPC in the demo. I cleared the trial part but I haven't done much exploring yet.

I was kinda wording it as a funny reaction rather than accurately, but sadly you've missed it, they are doing these daily events. There's a girl with a sprained ankle who was waiting for the "strong gentleman" who helped her when it happened to meet her with the implication of going on a date with him. The daily event yesterday (or the day before?) was that the "strong gentleman" finally showed up and was a Machamp.

[Loyal]

I mean it wouldn't be anything new. (http://www.pokemon.jp/special/kairiky_gym/)

Do these girls look like they have the purest of intentions? (http://www.pokemon.jp/special/kairiky_gym/girlstalk/)

[greed]

Hahahah hadn't seen that. Well there you go I guess.

[Flarecobra]

I was kinda wording it as a funny reaction rather than accurately, but sadly you've missed it, they are doing these daily events. There's a girl with a sprained ankle who was waiting for the "strong gentleman" who helped her when it happened to meet her with the implication of going on a date with him. The daily event yesterday (or the day before?) was that the "strong gentleman" finally showed up and was a Machamp.

It's actually based off of when you first start up the demo. They're called "Countdown NPCs" I had the Machamp/girl thing happen back on the 23rd.

[Kyanbu The Legend]

It's actually based off of when you first start up the demo. They're called "Countdown NPCs" I had the Machamp/girl thing happen back on the 23rd.

Ah ok I see. So i'll still get those events as the days go by if I play it each day.

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I mean it wouldn't be anything new. (http://www.pokemon.jp/special/kairiky_gym/)

Do these girls look like they have the purest of intentions? (http://www.pokemon.jp/special/kairiky_gym/girlstalk/)

Yeah that's a bit creepy.

[MuMu]

I don't remember this episode of BangBus

http://i.imgur.com/ubQAzfr.png

[Ryong]

Next they're going to show a guy being ordered around by his Tsareena.

[Token]

Recommended: Picuckchu gets BLACKED

[Arcanum]

Time to get hyped.

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Final starter evolution typing revealed. We have:

Grass/Ghost
Fire/Dark
Water/Fairy

Alola guardians revealed (officially).

You will be able to fight famous trainers, including MOTHERFUCKING RED AND BLUE!

[Kyanbu The Legend]

Yup, going with Rowlet was a choice I'm glad I'm sticking with. :3

[Bard The 5th LW]

Let's get Lit.

[Daimo Mac, The Blue Light of Hope]

Let's get Lit.

Fuck that cat, I am going with the Mermaid cause it is so goddamned ADORABLE!

[Flarecobra]

Why is this so adorable?

https://67.media.tumblr.com/d4d0eb3847850c45526056be89b5d02e/tumblr_o73bvt5z9F1u0n985o1_500.gif

[BB]

Primarina uses blitzball to kill its enemies (http://www.nintendolife.com/news/2016/11/gallery_pokemon_sun_and_moons_starter_z-moves_battle_features_early_distributions_and_more )

[Kyanbu The Legend]

Well Pokemon Sun and Moon are finally out, and so ends Nintendo's worst kept secret in the franchises history. From premature leaks to the entire game getting leaked via torrents a week before launch.

I think a lot of people got fired from the company after all of this.

I know a lot of gamers did, that's for sure. (https://www.yahoo.com/tech/playing-pirated-versions-pokemon-sun-moon-could-banned-192319767.html)

[BB]

I can't play until the new year but Lillie will wait for me

[Menarker]

According to Serebii, some abilities are being modified on older pokemon.
The most notable being Gengar, which loses Levitate in exchange for Cursed Body instead.
*Cue the gamer-rage*

[Kyanbu The Legend]

According to Serebii, some abilities are being modified on older pokemon.
The most notable being Gengar, which loses Levitate in exchange for Cursed Body instead.
*Cue the gamer-rage*

In other words Gengar got nerfed bit. While some other may have gotten a buff.

[Menarker]

Yup. Apparently we got a couple more auto-weather users now. Like Torkoal for Drought, Vanilluxe for Snow Warning, Pelipper for Drizzle, and Gigalith for Sand Stream.
So I guess weather teams will have a bit of a resurgence, if they can fit those pokemon on the teams.
Ice teams also get a boost in "Slush Rush", which is basically Sand Rush for Hail-teams. Whether any usable pokemon will get it remains to be seen. Excadrill had its vogue age due to its great offensive/defensive typing, and a base speed stat of 88. In comparison, Beartic, the only known owner of Slush Rush only has a single type (ice) which is great offensively but terrible defensively, and its speed stat is merely 50, which still lets it be outsped by a significant portion of viable pokemon.

[Kyanbu The Legend]

So Alola versions of Kanto pokemon have mostly the same stats as there classic counter parts.

I don't know what makes me sadder. the fact that my version (Moon) doesn't have Vulpix or the fact that ninetails didn't get any noticeable buffs out side of a slight speed increase(?).

On the bright side it'll be very easy to get in a trade.

and you can get an arcanine rather early it seems.

[Kyanbu The Legend]

So I'm now up to Puni island (the fourth Trial).

All I have to say is wow they didn't even try all that much to hide the fact that there was something very wrong with that organization.

And wow she's quite insane by pokemon villain standards. She kinda makes Team Aqua/Magma look sane by comparison. That scene of her meeting a UB for the first time face to face was a bit creepy. Like pure lust and it being a jellyfish-mon kind of doesn't help either.

Loved the Sound Track so far and while some trials are a bit disappointing (especially early on). I do like a lot of the ideas and concepts behind them. And I'm enjoying the game so far over all though it's still almost as easy as Gen 6. That said I do appreciate that they tried to make a it a little harder with all of the item changes and not giving you super training from the get go. You almost never need to grind but the game will punish you if you skip too many trainers.

[Daimo Mac, The Blue Light of Hope]

What typing is Type: Null?

Really loving the game alot. Though I think Hala(?) is gonna crahs hard or something. The way he is super cheerful is gonna bite him back.

[Flarecobra]

Type: Null is a normal type.

[Menarker]

Yeah, it's evolution Sivally is basically mini-Arceus. Default normal type, equal BST all around (95), can change typing with items, has a Judgement-Style move that also changes typing to match its user.

[Kyanbu The Legend]

And so ends my random 3 day break from art that I spent beating Pokemon Moon's main story. Now for the post game. Though It appears I skipped a few side quests here and there.

[Daimo Mac, The Blue Light of Hope]

So I gotta ask, at that resort on the second island, is the Pikachu who is resting poolside supposed to be a nod towards Ash's Pikachu or am I reading too much into it? Also, is there a means to earn cash easily like the battle Chateau from X/Y?

[Kyanbu The Legend]

So I gotta ask, at that resort on the second island, is the Pikachu who is resting poolside supposed to be a nod towards Ash's Pikachu or am I reading too much into it? Also, is there a means to earn cash easily like the battle Chateau from X/Y?

Yes, there are a several side missions you can take on almost every island that rewards you with a lot of money. They're basically catch missions. You talk to an NPC (usually in the Pokemon Centers and Aether Trailers) and they ask you to catch a certain pokemon and show them the pokedex entry for it.

And like X/Y there are Job missions as well, though I don't know all of them yet. Some of them are on the Beaches revolving around you picking up items/beached Water pokemon/ect around the beach. Basically cleaning duty.

[Tev]

So, I've beaten the elite four, become the champion, and am now working on filling out my pokedex and breeding up some pokemon for my wife to have when she does her run-through of Sun. I've not visited the Battle Tree yet because apparently Red and Blue just ambush you out of the gate and want to battle and I want to have a meaningful team together when I have that fight.

What are people's thoughts on this generation so far? I've had quite a time with it, even though I'm still a bit miffed that my adorable fire-cat grew into a hulking pro-wrestler.

[Flarecobra]

I've been enjoying it myself. Currentally beast-hunting and leveling up a Wishiwashi.

Also, Lurantis is adorable.

[Daimo Mac, The Blue Light of Hope]

So, I've beaten the elite four, become the champion, and am now working on filling out my pokedex and breeding up some pokemon for my wife to have when she does her run-through of Sun. I've not visited the Battle Tree yet because apparently Red and Blue just ambush you out of the gate and want to battle and I want to have a meaningful team together when I have that fight.

What are people's thoughts on this generation so far? I've had quite a time with it, even though I'm still a bit miffed that my adorable fire-cat grew into a hulking pro-wrestler.

I am annoyed my pretty little Pikpek i named Pearl turned into an Angry Toucan. I don't like the idea of Pearl being an angry toucan.

[Tev]

Also, Lurantis is adorable.I found Fomantis to be the more adorable of the two. Lurantis' mantis arms look too gangly on the 3d game sprite.

[Marc v4.0]

Sun and Moon are so good I can't handle it. It changes up so many things in Great and Wonderful ways just when I was starting to feel like Pokemon wasn't really for me anymore. Trials are the best.

[Bard The 5th LW]

There are parts I wish had more meat to them (Ultra Beasts) and I felt the endgame/postgame could've been more challenging, but overall I liked Sun and Moon a lot! Had a fun personality and I enjoyed most of the new additions.