[Dracorion]

Originally Posted by Geminex

Well, see, the fact that they eventually managed to develop high-tech doesn't mean that they aren't still being held back by pokemon. I'm guessing a lot of the stuff they have was developed before pokeballs came into use. And like I said, if they're already on a fairly high technological level, imagine what they'd be at without the detrimental influence of pokemon.

Actually, AB said pokeballs were used in some shape or form sixteen-hundred years ago.

But I know what you're going to say now.

Originally Posted by Geminex

And yeah, fighting types can't lift as much as cranes. But they're perfect for "personal" lifting, the sort of stuff you'd need equipment like forklifts for. Or exosuits. The existence of fighting-type pokemon greatly slows the development of personal, strength-amplifying, everyday exosuits. There can be no greater crime.

I'm sorry, have you looked at the RPDAs?

Sure, they're a relatively new invention. BUT, even if pokemon weren't around people wouldn't have built RPDAs just so they could make a building.

Fact is, they would've made exosuits for military use first, then adapted them to everyday use. And the Umbral world, pokemon or no pokemon, isn't quite advanced enough for widespread use of exosuits.

And if they were, it would just be that whole "unbridled scientific advancement" I talked about before. And even if you say that Impact wouldn't let that happen, the fact is that it would happen before Ray Green was even born. And he wouldn't be able to stop it after it's already in use.

Originally Posted by Geminex

Water pokemon for personal transport is probably screwing over the advancement of fast, personal naval travel. There's a ton of stuff that can be done with hydrodynamics to make boats really fucking fast, but it takes a while to develop. If people are preferring to hop on pokemon, there's no need for a passenger boat that travels fast (cause pokemon will travel faster, to begin with), and, as such, you're never gonna be developing ships that go just a hair under the speed of sound, cause the prerequisites just aren't there.

Actually, I'm fairly certain most water pokemon that can be used for sea travel (the ones big enough to carry a human) can't travel faster than a cruise ship.

So there'd still be need for ships that go fast.

Also, it'd be slightly inhumane to subject a pokemon to a long-assed trip across open sea without any land to be seen.

Originally Posted by Geminex

Generators... fair enough, pokemon aren't that useful in that area, so they're not holding humanity back too badly. But still, no magnezone would mean better generators in general. Not to mention that pokemon everywhere else means that there really isn't very much of a knowlege base, or engineers, or manufacturing techniques, or materials. If you want generators, you're gonna have to take care of all of that yourself.

That's...

NO!

People would use Magnezone generators just until they could build better generators!

I know we like to discuss this like pokemon aren't sentient being, just, like AB said, alien technology we can abuse.

But the fact is no society is going to use pokemon like that.

Originally Posted by Geminex

More simply, it's pretty much like a tech tree in a strategy game. You need to research basic stuff to get the more advanced stuff. And you need the advanced stuff to get the uber-advanced stuff. And so on.

Pokemon offer free replacements to pretty much all of the basic techs, and quite a few of the advanced ones as well. Free replacements, in that you don't have to research the originals. But if you don't research the originals, you don't have the prerequisites for the advanced tech. And you don't even know that the advanced stuff exists, so why should you research the basic shit? You've got what you need after all. Right. RIGHT?

Actually, I see pokemon as being just barely below basic tech, or matching basic tech in some cases.

After all, there's no water pokemon (aside from Wailord I guess) that can carry two hundred people across the sea.

And because pokemon can only take you so far, you're still going to need to research the basic tech. And you'd do so at the same time that you're using pokemon, because it'd be stupid to start only after pokemon have outlived their usefulness.

Originally Posted by Geminex

Edit:
Menarker, why'd Renny quit PATCA? Your post made some hints, of course. You gonna reveal any more?

He's not quitting PATCA. Just considering it.

We're not that lucky, dude.