Hey, People Who Cheat In Videogames

[Seil]

Holy fucking shit stop cheating at video games!

Now, it is widely known that human beings are competitive in nature. We want the best resources, we want the most advanced tools, we want to beat our neighbours. I understand that it's bred into us, the desire to win.

And hey, I totally understand it. At least part of it. Back in the day I was no-clipping through Quake walls, god-moding it up in Doom and had infinite ammo in Wolfenstein. But that was back in the day, when games were largely single-player, not multi-player.

I was recently enjoying a game of Team Fortress 2, where my team was close to winning, and I was rushing to my intelligence room with the intel (I was playing a Pyro) and I was immediately blown away by a turret. It's okay, it happens. Enemy Engies sometimes get into your intel room and set up shop.

The trouble was that I had set this Engineer aflame when I died, and when the game briefly showed the guy who killed me, I noticed two things. One, his health wasn't going down, even though he was on fire. Two, he suddenly started levitating, flying through the walls and back to his base in less than a second.

He then proceeded to to this from our base to his with the intelligence in quick succession, winning the game.

Now, it is one thing to die because someone is a better player than you. It's one thing to die when you do something stupid. Itis another thing entirely to die because some fuckwit doesn't have the courtesy to give you a fair game.

[Shyria Dracnoir]

Hackers can go burn in an especially painful fire while being dragged around a salt desert by giant bee-spitting cats with laser vision.

[PyrosNine]

Originally Posted by Shyria Dracnoir

Hackers can go burn in an especially painful fire while being dragged around a salt desert by giant bee-spitting cats with laser vision.

I'd be just happy with the laser vision. Bee-spitting seems like one big can of worms of discomfort for the cats with laser vision.

I certainly wouldn't want to start spitting bees.

I hate Trolling cheaters. When they are cheating regularly, but not even trying to disguise it or hide it, cheating blatantly to piss everyone else off. Gunz for instance, had numerous jerks running around with external tools. Now, it wasn't too bad for the people making themselves live forever. They had to turn on death sometime, or get kicked for how obvious they weren't dying. As when you die, you can see through other people's view and see their stats, and whatnot.

But the real problem were the flying chainsaw sword wielders with machine gun rocket launchers. The chainsaw effect was them swinging their sword several times a second, in all directions, making a grinding noise. The rocket launcher cheat made them fire rockets as if it was coming out of the automatic rifle, with a string of explosions that if it doesn't kill the target, the sheer lag or processing of the rockets could crash the game or the target's computer. And It doesn't get any more blatant than that. Their main purpose was to enter a legitimate game, pull cheatjutsu, and start murdering people until they all left, or till the bickering players could vote the cheater off the map, which some tools could prevent as well to an extent.

With updates and now there being more Gunz moderators to deal appropriately with rulebreakers, cheating isn't as often, but you'll still bump into the naked chicks who hover above the ground firing a million explosions of death at their opponents like a vengeful Valkyrie, finally deciding she had enough of that bitch of a twin sister, and Freya could go sleep with that multi-legged horse.

Now also on the subject of cheating, I find that exploits within the game engine itself are fairly okay. If they are abused by a lot of people for unfairness, the more likely it will spur the programmers to fix it. If they are abused by a lot of people, and it enhances gameplay for all, then it will probably be honed, added to the game's list of features, and explained for beginners.

And the fact that people will stumble around to find ways to abuse the game engine is kind of a respectable course of action, when you can get a cool video of a guy in Modern Warfare 2 who, by careful use of a respawn perk in a certain area, will ascend almost magically up into the air onto an invisible roof to get a few sniper shots.

Who will then get shot down pretty quickly, because MWF's first person kill cam that gives away his position, as well as the fact that he's very, very visible in the sky, with no cover.

[bluestarultor]

Lost Planet 2 is particularly heinous about this. Aside from having weaponry which is so overpowered that they announced a patch to rebalance one gun (which had infinite ammo and homing and replaced the default machine gun), people feel the need to use some sort of device to purposefully lag their connections and blip all over the place. They'll blip at you, lob a grenade, and then blip away before you can even fire a shot, never mind that grenades can kill you quite easily. Rinse and repeat.


Personally, I wish there was a way to detect that and automatically ban people doing it. Or delete all their characters or special weaponry or something.

[Osterbaum]

Originally Posted by Seil

Now, it is widely known that human beings are competitive in nature. We want the best resources, we want the most advanced tools, we want to beat our neighbours. I understand that it's bred into us, the desire to win.

No.

e: Fuck cheating though.

[krogothwolf]

Originally Posted by Osterbaum

No.

e: Fuck cheating though.

Say's you! I must win every time, I MUST! Winning isn't everything, IT'S THE ONLY THING!

Cheating sucks, it's also the reason why sporting events have rules and refs. To try to prevent the cheating as much as possible. It still doesn't stop the players from doing it, either with fowls behind the refs, or blatant dives to draw a penalty. So video game isn't much different. All you can do Seil is report him and hope for the best.

Though I'll cheat in single player games, never multiplayer, defeats the purpose behind multiplayer, to challenge yourself against humans who actually think on their own.

[Azisien]

God damn it I hate cheaters, may they be consumed by bees and lasers!

[A Zarkin' Frood]

Let's not get started on Diablo II. Okay, too late, I started it already. By now cheating is so common in that game that, in a sense of the word, you're even cheating when trading with others. Because there is a good chance whatever you're about to buy was acquired by using cheats, hacks and bots. And maybe it's a dupe, though that's most common with high runes. Blizzards anti-cheating measures mostly ban people who use an application that allows you to run Diablo II without a CD and multiple times (once for each CD Key you possess). To be fair it's used as a gateway for a good deal of hacks. Though, it still is like they arrest you for owning a kitchen knife because you COULD stab someone with it. Luckily that didn't happen to me, but to someone who used my CD-Key and got it permabanned.

And one time I got called a cheater in D2 because I didn't want to use a loophole to circumvent certain Level requirements in the game, good times.

And another time I got called a noob for actually playing the game instead of creating a character to be rushed to the final boss so I can power level myself up for bragging rights.

Why, yes, I did stop playing Diablo II.

[ZAKtheGeek]

Originally Posted by Seil

Now, it is one thing to die because someone is a better player than you. It's one thing to die when you do something stupid. Itis another thing entirely to die because some fuckwit doesn't have the courtesy to give you a fair game.

More importantly, it's one thing to win because what you did in the game beat what the other guy did in the game, but it's quite another to win by adding a "win" button to the game. What's even the point? Might as well just declare yourself the winner beforehand and not even play.

[Mannix]

Originally Posted by ZAKtheGeek

More importantly, it's one thing to win because what you did in the game beat what the other guy did in the game, but it's quite another to win by adding a "win" button to the game. What's even the point? Might as well just declare yourself the winner beforehand and not even play.

Because winning isn't what gets them off per se; ruining other peoples' day is.