Lets Speculate About E3!

[bluestarultor]

Originally Posted by mudah.swf

I don't know much about Sonic 4 but I hope the minecart level(s?) goes away in the final build. Maybe that'll be used for the iPad version, who knows.

I can FEEL the frustration from here.

Given how much of a done deal the graphics look, I'm thinking it's at least going to stay in the game data, even if it gets re-purposed. My guess is it's probably staying, though.

[Kim]

It's pretty much the worst thing in the universe, that level.

[bluestarultor]

Originally Posted by NonCon

It's pretty much the worst thing in the universe, that level.

To be honest, what I saw looked nothing worse than mildly aggravating. It seems functional, if you know what you're doing. It just struck me that the person playing it sucked, especially judging from their performance early in the level when they tilted it to vertical for no good reason.

[Kim]

Originally Posted by bluestarultor

To be honest, what I saw looked nothing worse than mildly aggravating. It seems functional, if you know what you're doing. It just struck me that the person playing it sucked, especially judging from their performance early in the level when they tilted it to vertical for no good reason.

You must be watching a different video then, because what I saw looked disorienting as fuck, not remotely fun, and like it had been shoved in their so they could have their pointless waggle level for the Wii version. Like, the first time I watched it I got physically nauseous.

[bluestarultor]

Originally Posted by NonCon

You must be watching a different video then, because what I saw looked disorienting as fuck, not remotely fun, and like it had been shoved in their so they could have their pointless waggle level for the Wii version. Like, the first time I watched it I got physically nauseous.

Dude, remember the days when you had to control the camera with the trigger buttons instead of the right analog stick? Read the text on the screen. It's pretty much that. I'd call that pretty much painless, but then I despise using the right stick and stick to the triggers whenever possible.

Just because someone can't manage that and makes it look like it look like a drunk man with an elastic flail doesn't mean it's actually that bad. Like seriously, watching further makes me wonder if this person knows left from right the way they constantly see-saw.

[Kim]

Originally Posted by bluestarultor

It's pretty much that.

No... No, it isn't. I mean, it would be if you were comparing it to how I'll sometimes swirl the camera around in a circle for a minute or two to make the people watching me play incredibly nauseous because I'm a douchebag, but you aren't comparing it to that. You're comparing constantly rotating a 2D plane in front of my face for several minutes with no real center of gravity as the only way of progressing through a level to having to move a camera in a 3D world to keep it behind your character. These are not the same thing. Like I said, this is the sort of thing you do to the player if you're an incredibly jackass.

Like seriously, watching further makes me wonder if this person knows left from right the way they constantly see-saw.

They're having to navigate a level with very little clear idea of which direction is the proper direction at several times, back up and then go forward and jump with the screen at a ridiculous angle to move forward, and deal with that constant, nauseating spinning. I'm going to cut the guy some slack until I actually experience this myself.

[bluestarultor]

Originally Posted by NonCon

No... No, it isn't. I mean, it would be if you were comparing it to how I'll sometimes swirl the camera around in a circle for a minute or two to make the people watching me play incredibly nauseous because I'm a douchebag, but you aren't comparing it to that. You're comparing constantly rotating a 2D plane in front of my face for several minutes with no real center of gravity as the only way of progressing through a level to having to move a camera in a 3D world to keep it behind your character. These are not the same thing. Like I said, this is the sort of thing you do to the player if you're an incredibly jackass.

A small geometry lesson: unless you're flying, your movement is largely in a 2-D plane anyway (jumping generally takes you very little out of it). All this does is take those exact camera controls and put them to what would be considered over your 3-D character's head. It is the EXACT control system I was talking about. The only difference is the view.

I mean, I dunno about you, but when I use the triggers to turn my camera, I get a good deal of precision out of it. You stop pushing the buttons, it generally stops moving the camera. That's what this player was utterly failing to do near the end was to take their damn fingers off the buttons.

[Kim]

This was obviously put in to take advantage of six-axis and wiimote controls. This means trigger controls were secondary. Somehow I just don't buy that it controls as well as you seem to think it does.

[bluestarultor]

Originally Posted by NonCon

This was obviously put in to take advantage of six-axis and wiimote controls. This means trigger controls were secondary. Somehow I just don't buy that it controls as well as you seem to think it does.

Maybe, but the directions clearly say that you use the triggers with no mention of any other control scheme. I'm guessing that that means the player was using the triggers. If not, it still doesn't account for the ridiculous angles they were rotating it to. You'd break your wrist.

Look, we can argue this all day, but from what I saw, the player simply made a bad show of it. Way too much time upside-down for no good reason and see-sawing back and forth for no good reason. It was disorienting because you spent half the video with shakycam and upside-down.

[Kim]

Originally Posted by bluestarultor

Maybe, but the directions clearly say that you use the triggers with no mention of any other control scheme. I'm guessing that that means the player was using the triggers. If not, it still doesn't account for the ridiculous angles they were rotating it to. You'd break your wrist.

They were using the triggers because they were playing on the 360. It's a level that was crammed in there because they wanted to use WAGGLEYAY and no other reason. As such, the trigger scheme is secondary. The trigger scheme exists only because the 360 can't do waggle. Thus, it's secondary. That's why I called it secondary. Apologies because apparently I need to write a paragraph to explain this without you misinterpreting every little thing I say.

Look, we can argue this all day, but from what I saw, the player simply made a bad show of it. Way too much time upside-down for no good reason and see-sawing back and forth for no good reason. It was disorienting because you spent half the video with shakycam and upside-down.

Even if he did, this is an absolutely terrible level. It's a dumb gimmick. It's a dumb control scheme. It's a dumb idea. It is dumb, dumb, dumb. It doesn't look remotely fun, and despite liking another level I saw, this is actually making me consider not getting Sonic 4.