"Conservapedia On Feminism" or "BACK IN THE KITCHEN, WOMAN!"

[Professor Smarmiarty]

Originally Posted by Viridis

I simply love that there is a page dedicated to the purpose of Conservapedia fellating itself.

this is the best. Man I can't eve get past the first one. I'm tots sure all them liberals saw Henry Kissinger as a just, non-political recipient of the peace prize.

[dwmitch]

Originally Posted by Liz

Yeah. You're a perfect example of if one person in a bad situation can find ways to get by, then anyone can. Liberals seem to think they're helping people, but they're really keeping people from living up to their full potential.

You got that right. I know how to do very few things (got a wood stove going unused every winter because I don't know how to build a fire (never can keep the kindling lit) for example), I get absolutely no support because everyone around me thinks I do the things I do to avoid steady work (neglecting the fact that these things are in addition to my job search), and to top it off an incredibly messed up jaw results in speech issues that tend to lead people to believe that I'm mentally challenged.

So this really is a case of if I can do it anyone can do it.

The rest of the replies I'll get to later today. Gotta get back to bed, steel my nerves to finally ask out the young lady I've been trying to approach since June, and spend the day digging up and laying pipes.

[Aerozord]

Originally Posted by dwmitch

I didn't know there were still any programs like that. I thought welfare had degenerated into people sitting around waiting for the check to arrive.

Its not welfare, I'm a white male without a kid, welfare wont do crap for me. But the state views aspergers as a disability, and that department does have job placement programs. They also have programs to help with education, etc. Though only if you work for it, if you try to use it as a free ride you get dropped

to me there are two main issues with welfare. First is that its based more on what demographics you fall under then actual need.

Second is that it discourages work. I went with a friend, who had a baby to support, was scraping was rationing money to buy formula, and do you know why she was denied any financial support, because she was working.

Any income at all often drops your financial aid to zero, depending on the county, even if that income is not enough to support you. There are people on welfare that want to work, but because of how the system is set up cant "afford" to work.

[Osterbaum]

Ok, dwmitch is not real. Calling it right now.

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Gotta get back to bed, steel my nerves to finally ask out the young lady I've been trying to approach since June, and spend the day digging up and laying pipes.

I mean come on!

[Professor Smarmiarty]

Copper trading is an important and thoroughly upright profession and just because you spend all day making up job descriptions for yourself to justify stealing our money to fund your potsmoking "exploration of yourself" doesn't give you the right to impugn the intergrity of an honest working man.

[Sifright]

Originally Posted by Aerozord

Its not welfare, I'm a white male without a kid, welfare wont do crap for me. But the state views aspergers as a disability, and that department does have job placement programs. They also have programs to help with education, etc. Though only if you work for it, if you try to use it as a free ride you get dropped

to me there are two main issues with welfare. First is that its based more on what demographics you fall under then actual need.

Second is that it discourages work. I went with a friend, who had a baby to support, was scraping was rationing money to buy formula, and do you know why she was denied any financial support, because she was working.

Any income at all often drops your financial aid to zero, depending on the county, even if that income is not enough to support you. There are people on welfare that want to work, but because of how the system is set up cant "afford" to work.

Well the obvious solution here to simply remove welfare support, that way those lazy lay abouts can't simply stay on welfare because it's that or lose support seems simple enough, only a lieberal would think the current system is working.

Originally Posted by dwmitch

In other words, contrary to popular opinion we don't hate the poor. We want them to succeed. If there are more applicants than job openings we want to teach them how to use their skills to get by. We want them to have their fill of salmon, mackerel, whatever they want instead of waiting on cans of tuna. What we hate is the "what's mine is mine and what's yours is mine" mentality. People who won't lift a finger to help themselves and feel like they deserve things they refuse to work for.

Damn straight, preach it brother we need to get those lazy bums off welfare god knows there are plenty of jobs out there for real hard working americans it's just lazyness holding them back. I had to work oddjobs my self repairing damaged electronics before I got my self a job. The only reason people are poor is because they are lazy and don't want to do an honest days work.

[dwmitch]

Originally Posted by Osterbaum

Ok, dwmitch is not real. Calling it right now.

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I mean come one!

Originally Posted by Smarty McBarrelpants

Copper trading is an important and thoroughly upright profession and just because you spend all day making up job descriptions for yourself to justify stealing our money to fund your potsmoking "exploration of yourself" doesn't give you the right to impugn the intergrity of an honest working man.

I'm hoping you guys were joking but now that I see how my last statement can be misread I'll break it down.

"...back to bed,"

Most of my posts here have been during a bout of insomnia. Been trying to get to sleep since 10:00 PM, it's 4:30 AM now, so I've been up and down all night.

"...steel my nerves to finally ask out..."

Been trying to work up the nerve to ask a young lady on a date, obviously. She's had my interest since June but she's quitting her job at the end of this week so I can't take the time to test the water and make sure I won't be shot down in front of my cousins (who are regulars at the store she works at and would never let me live it down). Since I don't want to go in as a nervous wreck I need to build up my nerve, which is normally done during a walk through the woods so I can clear my mind and plan everything out, but I had to settle for bedtime tonight because people look at you strange if you go out wandering at night.

"...spend the day digging up and laying pipes."

Self explanatory. The people I'll be working for today have a busted water line. They want to take the opportunity to take out the copper lines coming out of their pressure tank, which is relatively fragile by today's standards, and install vinyl water lines.

By the way, I wish copper was a viable venture. It's the highest selling scrap, at least in this area, but it's the hardest to get. I've been stockpiling bits and pieces over the past year that I've pulled out of discarded air conditioners and days like this are very rare. In fact, other than the cost of parts I'm not getting paid any money for this. Just any copper I pull out of the ground for them.

[Professor Smarmiarty]

As it should be. Money merely seperates men from the fruits of their work and enables our ruinous financial system to enfranchise wastage.

[Amake]

Originally Posted by dwmitch

I believe in gender roles

I have to stop skimming threads backwards, I had to scroll through a whole bunch of your posts before noticing why I should dismiss them completely without a second thought. Anyway, here is a decent place to start. If you want to lean.

[dwmitch]

Originally Posted by Aerozord

Its not welfare, I'm a white male without a kid, welfare wont do crap for me. But the state views aspergers as a disability, and that department does have job placement programs. They also have programs to help with education, etc. Though only if you work for it, if you try to use it as a free ride you get dropped

to me there are two main issues with welfare. First is that its based more on what demographics you fall under then actual need.

Second is that it discourages work. I went with a friend, who had a baby to support, was scraping was rationing money to buy formula, and do you know why she was denied any financial support, because she was working.

Any income at all often drops your financial aid to zero, depending on the county, even if that income is not enough to support you. There are people on welfare that want to work, but because of how the system is set up cant "afford" to work.

The whole system's broken. It goes to people who don't need it (I actually knew a guy who was on welfare because he was "too angry to work") and people who do need it have to fight tooth and nail if they even get it. Got a cousin with lupus who had to be talked out of going back to work. The doctors wouldn't clear her and, for her own good, her previous employer blacklisted her from the only line of work she knows. We had to fight her to get her to sign up and now we're having to fight the government so her deathbed isn't a ditch somewhere.

And when my grandmother was dying from cancer my mom and aunts tried to get her assistance for respiratory treatments she needed. The case worker asked how she kept her house clean, she said her daughters did most of it but to keep from feeling useless she'd sweep her room once a week. He just said "then you can earn the money sweeping for other people" and left.

So one guy who refuses to take a butt chewing like a man (in his words, "if my boss gets onto me I'm going to take a swing at him") gets a free ride. One woman who worked hard her entire life was turned down because she spent ten minutes a week sweeping and another woman who worked hard all of her life and only signed up as a last resort is having to fight.

That's the biggest problem with the current system. They make a hangman's noose out of red tape for people with a legitimate claim then some burnt out old hippie comes along using his temper as an excuse not to work and they wave him on through.

The one thing that worked they went and broke. In 1981 a couple working full time (in fact, when my mother went off of maternity leave she took a part-time night job at the local tourist trap in addition to her factory job) with three sons, one a newborn, was able to get on food stamps for half a year. Now, as your friend's situation shows, if you have the audacity to try to earn your keep you can't get one bit of assistance.

Same with training. If I were on welfare I could take free classes to become an auto technician. Since I'm not my only option is to give up all of the things that keep gas in my truck to drive two hours one way, and that's assuming I can get a student loan. Seems like they'd be thrilled to have a cheap guy like me. After all, they'd only be paying for my training, not my living expenses, and that training would be paid back when I earned enough to pay taxes. Instead it's either let the taxpayers provide everything for you or you get nothing.

Originally Posted by Marc v4.0

You seem well-meaning and intelligent, I would ask of you what would be done about those honestly not of 'able-body' in the system? Your thoughts on how they should be cared for or assisted.

They need to know there are options. People think if they have a disability they have no choice but to go on disability for the rest of their lives. It can be useful for an adjustment period, but it's not required for the rest of their lives if they don't want it.

Two people I find to be inspiring are both quadriplegics. One is Joni Earecson Tada (pronounced Johnny Erickson Ta-da). Even if you hate her for running a Christian ministry you can't deny that she's been working despite her handicap. She's been a quadriplegic since 1967 but she's been going non-stop reaching out to the disabled and donating wheelchairs to developing nations.

The other one was one of my matches on a dating site. Because of the distance (two hours one way) I haven't established contact with her but I have looked at her profile. A wreck paralyzed her a little over ten years ago. I don't know her full story, she could be on disability now and I don't begrudge her that, but she's also a full time college student hoping to go into education.

It may sound like I'm making a big deal out of these women but I have known paraplegics who didn't have the gumption of these women. When one of my cousins was paralyzed in a wreck he just waited for his check and for the reaper. I didn't know him too well but I've been told he was always playing the guitar up until his wreck. Then, even though he still had full use of his hands, he never picked it up after that. Just stared at the wall, barely talked to anyone, and was more or less a piece of furniture until cancer came about and claimed him.

Sadly a lot of people with a disability, unless it's one they've had their entire life, take the route my cousin did. Act like their life is over and wait for the reaper to come and make it official. And the system doesn't help. They make it sound like it's guaranteed death if you don't go on disability or come from a rich family. They make it sound like you will never contribute anything again.

So at the risk of sounding calloused, ideally the disabled would be taken care of by willing members of the private sector but since that's not currently viable nothing should change for them other than programs to help those who want off of disability earn a living on their own.

Originally Posted by Fifthfiend

And we all know that nobody who's ever gone through the foster care system has ever had any difficulties worth speaking of.

Exactly. Just like no one who was raised by their birth parents had any problems worth speaking of.

Sarcasm aside, that comment needs to be expanded on as right now it seems like a bit of a non-sequitur.

Originally Posted by Archbio

And not only does everyone have the ressourcefulness and aptitude to have a good quality of life by employing themselves this way, but there's also enough of that kind of work for every. Single. Unemployed person to properly live off of.

And we know this because it wouldn't really be convenient if it wasn't true.

It's all in the mindset. I was like that not too long ago. "Sure, I have more education than Edison but he had the resourcefulness to get things done." That's what holds people back. They don't even try because they think they have nothing to offer.

I've been tuning pianos for two years. This isn't my first bout of unemployment, though it is my longest, and during one of those bouts I had the idea to start tuning pianos. But I held myself back. "Everyone around here is the DIY type. If they want them tuned they wouldn't hire me." "Most pianos around here are just decorations or they only keep them because it was passed down by their parents or grandparents."

Since then I've expanded into plumbing. Why? Because I know how to do it. I didn't when I started, and that lack of knowledge, combined with the fact that I'm not even so much as an apprentice, held me back for quite some time.

I learned how to make bodhrans because I wanted one but they're hard to come by. Then I noticed that here in my neck of the woods there are a lot of musicians who would like to have one but don't have $400 to spend on a low quality one with no warranty. So I kept making them and sell them for a fraction of what it would cost elsewhere.

That wasn't resourcefulness. That was the marriage of desire and a rather pessimistic view that I would never be able to buy the drum I've spent years searching for.

So it all boils down to mindset. Should everyone on the dole become a piano tuner or plumber? If they know how to do it then by all means yes. However, those aren't the only marketable skills. The market around here isn't becoming crowded because not a lot of people are willing to mess with pipes that excrement flows through for a flat rate of $25 plus parts. Too many plumbers in your area? Sit down, take stock of what you know, and find a way to apply your knowledge in an area where there's not as much competition.

Really the things that seem arcane to most are incredibly simple to learn as long as the things you're doing are safe. For instance, you may know how to hammer boards together but if you're not under the supervision of a master carpenter you have no business adding a room onto someone's house. But you can still turn that ability to hammer boards together into a marketable skill. Just not one that runs the risk of dropping a roof on someone's head.

Bottom line, if you're of the mindset that you have nothing to offer then you have nothing to offer. If you really do have nothing to offer then it's a trivial matter to come up with something to offer. Or people can just sit around on the dole wasting away because trying something when at best you succeed, at worst you don't gain anything is too much effort.

Originally Posted by Fifthfiend

So dwmitch.

What are your thoughts on the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009?

To be honest my familiarity with it comes from political commentary (both sides plus a local radio talk show that claims to be completely neutral), which we both know is full of distortions, so I'll have to get back to you on that once I've found the text of the bill and familiarized myself on it.

Right now anything I have to say would be based on what I know from Limbaugh, Huffington, and some guy you've never heard of unless you happen to live in central Missouri. I'd rather have more to go on before I discuss it.