Oh my fucking god! MGS4 looks amazing! - Page 6

Rygar · 07-15-2007, 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Poetisch

What's gonna happen to the Wisemen?
What's gonna happen to Foxhound?

Who are "SOP"?
What exactly is Liquid doing to the nanomachines?
How?
Who is "Mr. Foxhound? Seems to be Raiden
What happened to Raiden to make him all cyborg ninja-y? Mission gone wrong?
Why doesn't Raiden fear death? Did something happen to Rose and the baby?
How the hell are we gonna kill Vamp? Some say he's revived by water
What other freakishly powered villians will there be?
What's the big, nuclear firing Metal Gear gonna look like?
Don't you mean the Patriots?

Some possible answer things in spoilers there.

Seil · 07-15-2007, 08:39 PM

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Don't you mean the Patriots?

I mean the actual "Wisemen's Comittee." They're AI... what's gonna happen to them?

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How the hell are we gonna kill Vamp

Fire. 'Cause he's been shot, drownded, and killed multiple times... so.... yeah.

BitVyper · 07-15-2007, 10:11 PM

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Why doesn't Raiden fear death?

Distorted sense of reality, maybe?

MuMu · 07-16-2007, 12:15 AM

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Why doesn't Raiden fear death?

I think it was just a cool one-liner, but maybe The PATRIOTs didn't keep their end of the bargain regarding Olga's baby.

BitVyper · 07-16-2007, 12:18 AM

Do we even know if she actually WAS pregnant in the end? Didn't that come out in the big sequence of weird-ass nonsensical conversations that had Raiden questioning every aspect of his reality? Not particularly firm evidence, I'd say, unless something more was said in the end, but I can't remember.

Seil · 07-16-2007, 03:13 AM

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Do we even know if she actually WAS pregnant in the end? Didn't that come out in the big sequence of weird-ass nonsensical conversations that had Raiden questioning every aspect of his reality? Not particularly firm evidence, I'd say, unless something more was said in the end, but I can't remember.

On the Tanker, in the beginning:
Gurlukovich: Need I remind you that you are carrying my grandchild?!?
Olga: ...

Then later, when Olga is talking to Raiden:
Olga: My child is... being held hostage by the Patriots. It all started two years ago when I lost my father during the tanker incident... My men and I had nowhere to go... so we joined forces with an illegal Russian organization.

Then, as Olga saves Raiden from Solidus:
Olga: I know I'm going to hell, but at least my child...
Solidus Snake: I applaud your attitude. If you have a death wish, I'll be happy to accommodate you! See you in hell!

So... yeah - I'd say she was pregnant, and had the kid. Whether or not Olga's child has survived to see MGS4 remains to be seen.

Kenryoku_Maxis · 07-16-2007, 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Poetisch

Wasn't this a conversation on how completely awesome and OMFG MGS4 is gonna be?

And no one still knows that is gonna be the case. All anything has been shown of the game so far has been Movie Cinematics.

But I guess, considering where the series has gone, that's all people really cares about. David Hayders coarse voice and a lot of Anime Physics.

Solid Snake · 07-16-2007, 01:45 PM

You see, my problem with Twin Snakes isn't so much that there's Matrix-style crazy action scenes replacing the rather generic scenes in the original Metal Gear Solid. As previously noted there's plenty of crazy action scenes in MGS2 and MGS3 that are something like that.

My problem was more that Twin Snakes has Solid Snake himself doing all the crazy Matrix style stunts. You see, Solid Snake was such a badass in the original MGS and MGS2 because he never did that shit. All his opponents, all the antagonists, they'd be doing superhuman crap and Snake would just outwit them. That's what I loved about the original MGS' theme, repeated as a mantra for Snake in MGS2; it's not about the brawn, it's the brains -- and the values, the morals, the principles -- that makes a soldier.

I mean in the original MGS Liquid Snake is clearly superior to Solid Snake in every single physical attribute, and Liquid even seems to outsmart Snake at every turn. But what Snake has over Liquid and everyone else is sheer badass willpower, Die Hard style, where he just dives right in regardless and survives against all odds. But in Twin Snakes, suddenly Snake too has crazy superpowers, and the whole message of MGS and MGS2 seems eroded. I don't mind everyone else doing crazy stunts, but I'd prefer Snake himself stay away from those hijinks.

Oh; and the voice acting in Twin Snakes was just horrible.

That being said, what Twin Snakes did right was the gameplay. There's no doubt the gameplay in Twin Snakes was better, but I find the actual value of the storyline better in the original, where the characters seem more like...themselves.

(By the way, Kenryoku Maxis, we actually have seen a gameplay trailer of MGS4. That one that ends with younger Snake smoking a cigarette, that's pretty much all gameplay. I think that one came out last fall.)

Domon · 07-16-2007, 04:52 PM

If liquid is killed i think he will get removed from ocelots body somehow. cause who else will talk at the end of the credits... right.
I am sort of worried about that though. kojima said that all will be explained; does that mean that I wolnt say "what the fuck just happened?" after beating the game.
I just want the last MGS to give me the same wonderful feeling [as the first mgs] after its all over, now that we know it will be the last game.

Zilla · 07-17-2007, 11:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Domon

I just want the last MGS to give me the same wonderful feeling [as the first mgs] after its all over, now that we know it will be the last game.

ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh... That was such a good feeling... hold on. I have to bask in this memory.

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07-16-2007, 01:45 PM	#58
Solid Snake Erotic Esquire Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 5,563	You see, my problem with Twin Snakes isn't so much that there's Matrix-style crazy action scenes replacing the rather generic scenes in the original Metal Gear Solid. As previously noted there's plenty of crazy action scenes in MGS2 and MGS3 that are something like that. My problem was more that Twin Snakes has Solid Snake himself doing all the crazy Matrix style stunts. You see, Solid Snake was such a badass in the original MGS and MGS2 because he never did that shit. All his opponents, all the antagonists, they'd be doing superhuman crap and Snake would just outwit them. That's what I loved about the original MGS' theme, repeated as a mantra for Snake in MGS2; it's not about the brawn, it's the brains -- and the values, the morals, the principles -- that makes a soldier. I mean in the original MGS Liquid Snake is clearly superior to Solid Snake in every single physical attribute, and Liquid even seems to outsmart Snake at every turn. But what Snake has over Liquid and everyone else is sheer badass willpower, Die Hard style, where he just dives right in regardless and survives against all odds. But in Twin Snakes, suddenly Snake too has crazy superpowers, and the whole message of MGS and MGS2 seems eroded. I don't mind everyone else doing crazy stunts, but I'd prefer Snake himself stay away from those hijinks. Oh; and the voice acting in Twin Snakes was just horrible. That being said, what Twin Snakes did right was the gameplay. There's no doubt the gameplay in Twin Snakes was better, but I find the actual value of the storyline better in the original, where the characters seem more like...themselves. (By the way, Kenryoku Maxis, we actually have seen a gameplay trailer of MGS4. That one that ends with younger Snake smoking a cigarette, that's pretty much all gameplay. I think that one came out last fall.) __________________ *WARNING:* Snek's all up in this thread. Be prepared to read massive walls of text.

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Domon Boo Buddy Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Oly, Washington USA Posts: 685	If liquid is killed i think he will get removed from ocelots body somehow. cause who else will talk at the end of the credits... right. I am sort of worried about that though. kojima said that all will be explained; does that mean that I wolnt say "what the fuck just happened?" after beating the game. I just want the last MGS to give me the same wonderful feeling [as the first mgs] after its all over, now that we know it will be the last game.