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[Professor Smarmiarty]

Originally Posted by Funka Genocide

When you understand that the basic premise of an argument is patently false, arguing for or against it becomes infinitely more amusing.

I don't think Barrelpants believes half the things he says, and I'm pretty sure he understands more than half of what he believes.

Yes I totally believe that we should murder billions to save millions because the millions happen to be white and rich. Also that we should destroy the world, both economically and physically, in the process.

Originally Posted by Wigmund

Yeah, this definitely needs more elaboration.

Hard to see how a world in which most every Jew, Roma, disabled person, homosexual and other undesirable would be sent to a concentration camp to starve to death if they're lucky would be an improvement over the world we live in now. Not to mention all the socialists, pacifists and other liberals that would be killed for not following the Party line.

And let's not forget all the lovely things the Japanese were doing to everyone who wasn't Japanese. China and the Koreas (among others) would love to hear the rationalization of why they'd be better off if the Japanese kept control over them.

Two major points:
1) While the Nazis killed the people you mentioned above, the allies war effort was funded by murdering Africa and Asia which is a much larger part of the world. A part of the world that is still in shit. Not only did we destroy their economy to fund our armies such that they will never recover, we forced them to work to death in conditions no better than most concentration camps . This is alongside forced conscription which was much worse than th elocal conscription where you were put in jail if you didn't join up, not shot and get your village burnt to the ground.
Looking at numbers the holocaust was pathetically inefficient compared to the allies who had honed their genocide down to an art. 6 million Jews killed is nothing. The West does that before breakfast.
Even aside from all that, look at how the US treated the Japanese during the war. There was genuine belief that the Japanese were subhuman, created by a vast amount of anti-Japan propaganda. It allowed the servicemen to torture and maim Japanese prisoners and keep them in atrocious conditions because they didn't think they were properly human. Does this sound familiar?

2)My bigger point, however, is the aftermath of the war. Victory in WW2 gave a giant plusmark to US style capitalism. It created the US superpower and tied the world's economy to the US. This had many effects but the most important were bringing the world along the US path and convincing them that this was a good thing. The demonisation of the Nazis helped prevent people from thinking that the US way was not the right way and the fact that they now controlled the world economy mean tthat people couldn't go a different way even if they wanted to.
The Nazis, on the other hand, had 2 major differences- both good. Firstly they believed in strong state interventionism and increase production through technological planning- both completely opposite to the US dream and both allowing a more productive world rather than the one we live it which enshrines waste.
More importantly, however, a Nazi victory would not have given the ideology whitewash that the US victory did. Whlie you can say the Nazis would have surpressed dissent this is never effective, unless you can surpress dissent in the way the US did post-WW2- through closing the mindspace of the populace to ideas that there is another way. The rabid anti-radicalism of the West post world war 2 was enshrined by the victory in a way that would not happen in a Nazi world. The greater repression and the lack of any great demon to turn people away from radicalism is an environment which is much more enabling to the people than the one we live in.

[Osterbaum]

Not to mention that the Nazi's would've been unlikely able to conquer the whole world through military might.

[Professor Smarmiarty]

They had the spear of destiny though. That would have helped.