Pokemon Umbral Theatre 6: Player Conspiracies

[Geminex]

These researches may have more implications in society than what can be gleaned for combat specific moves and abilities.

Well, like I said: I'm saying that nothing can be gained from researching pokemon's attributes, because said attributes can't be scientifically replicated. This is because pokemon don't use science, they use whatever magic Exist gave them. They have to be, cause what they're doing sure ain't science. And for all intents and purposes, I really don't think science can replicate magic. Copy its effects, yes, but what works for pokemon won't work for humans.

It'd be pretty retarded if it did. Cause Exist specifically gave pokemon those powers because humans with their technology were screwing over nature. If humans were capable of copying those powers, all exist would have done was delay them for a few centuries, and in the process given them the means to advance technology far, far further than it would have gone had Exist not interfered. So yeah, it'd be pretty stupid.

Oh, and I just saw this:

No fuck you I'm not going to muddle through that clusterfuck again just to see if Impact does or doesn't get to lead in the final mission.

I WILL say that I don't remember anything even remotely like that ever coming up.

It was in the final fucking deal. If you make me look it up for you, that'll make another 2%.

Edit:
Only just realized that Drac actually posted before me.

Electrode power for every city!

If not for electrode, humans would have had to look for alternate sources. Wind, solar maybe, both of which would have created lots of jobs for electrical engineers, which then would have further benefited electronical development in general. Or even nuclear, which would've motivated research into theoretical physics, and could have been used for a huge variety of other tasks, from power spaceships, to powering airships.

As for the wild pokemon, fair enough. But that's pretty much the only way I can think of that they've benefited society, instead of held it back. And if the only way something benefits society is by killing other things, there has to be a way to replace it.

Nah, he'd start a space program after Impact is defeated.

Allright, how about "No". Just... "No".

So, let's see. Magatama give powers according to a person's personality or whatever, correct? So everyone would be special in their own way, which means no one would be special.

Yes, only at the moment people's "special"-ness stems from their mental ability, their physical ability and their personality. Add "supernatural powers" to that equation and you've got one hell of a clustfuck. Seriously, even if everyone has them, it'd be horrible.

[Geminex]

Gem, is there any particular reason why you're so upset about the mission ending aside from what you said before?

Not really. I wanted to have Impact give more orders, I didn't get to, plus the plan that I thought up was pretty much hand-waved. This annoyed me.

And I do think out situations are different. None of us called for your sidequest to end prematurely, AB did that himself. If you had wanted it to go on for longer, you could have, should have, said, and I probably would even have supported you.

And if AB had decided to end this one early by himself, I probably wouldn't have put up too much of a protest either.

But see, you were directly responsible for it ending early. You asked him to repeatedly, despite my protest. I didn't really get much of a chance to object (the one objection I did make was ignored), so I do feel quite screwed over. And I did lose out on at least three or four turns' worth of orders through your direct action. So yeah, I feel compensation is appropriate.

[Geminex]

Actually, aside from the occassional blasts of demonic power and elemental manipulation and shit, most Magatama powers would fall under mental and physical abilities, wouldn't they?

And everyone would probably have the increased toughness and regenerative abilities.

Well, currently "Mental abilities" is "different people are better at thinking about and understanding different things, but mostly everyone's equal". With Magatama "mental abilities" would be "different people are massively, supernaturally skilled at different mental activities". And the same for physical, currently the difference in ability is token at most. If magatama come it, it could become massive.
People would just specialize and differentiate one hell of a lot more. Everyone's skills would be more or less unique. Everyone would be objectively special. And I'm thinking that kind of society would result in a lot of "people using their special talent in a way that screws up other people who can't really defend against it because they never considered that it was possible and were too busy screwing other people over with their special talent".
Not to mention that the people who, for some strange reason don't want immortality, would be utterly screwed.

Also, he probably wouldn't start his own space program.

Probably just back up one or some or all of the existing ones.

Ooooh, I see. That's perfectly allright then.

No one ever said killing! Whatever happened to just "fainting"?

Fair enough. Still, gotta be a better way.

Except, y'know, nuclear is dangerous.

And electrode, which are notorious for exploding without warning, aren't? At least with nuclear fusion you can control it.

Also, I'm fairly certain those jobs are replaced by some other profession in the pokemon world.

Huh. What d'you mean?

[Dracorion]

Originally Posted by Geminex

Well, currently "Mental abilities" is "different people are better at thinking about and understanding different things, but mostly everyone's equal". With Magatama "mental abilities" would be "different people are massively, supernaturally skilled at different mental activities". And the same for physical, currently the difference in ability is token at most. If magatama come it, it could become massive.
People would just specialize and differentiate one hell of a lot more. Everyone's skills would be more or less unique. Everyone would be objectively special. And I'm thinking that kind of society would result in a lot of "people using their special talent in a way that screws up other people who can't really defend against it because they never considered that it was possible and were too busy screwing other people over with their special talent".
Not to mention that the people who, for some strange reason don't want immortality, would be utterly screwed.

... Why the hell wouldn't they want immortality?

Even if they didn't, immortality is just a convenient word. Fact is, Magatamas don't grant immortality. They just grant eternal youth.

Half-demons can still die from, y'know, being beheaded or whatever. So if someone didn't want to live forever, they could just kill themselves when they got bored. Admittedly, suicide would be a lot harder for Half-demons.

Maybe we could set up Euthanasia centers or something.

Also, this:

And I'm thinking that kind of society would result in a lot of "people using their special talent in a way that screws up other people who can't really defend against it because they never considered that it was possible and were too busy screwing other people over with their special talent".

... How is that any different from what goes on now?

Also, like I said, Magatama powers mold themselves to the person. People can't actually pick the powers they want.

So while, yes, there would be cases where someone gets a power that screws up other people, they would be few.

Originally Posted by Geminex

Ooooh, I see. That's perfectly allright then.

Hey! Sarcasm is my shindig! Getchurown.

Originally Posted by Geminex

Fair enough. Still, gotta be a better way.

Well, I'll start brainstorming. You tell me when you come up with something better.

... How about spraying a mind-control powder that only works on pokemon all over the world?

Originally Posted by Geminex

And electrode, which are notorious for exploding without warning, aren't? At least with nuclear fusion you can control it.

Electrode was just a random electric pokemon I picked.

Admittedly, it was a bad choice.

Originally Posted by Geminex

Huh. What d'you mean?

Sure, you get less electrical engineers, but you get more Nurse Joys, Pokemon Professors, Contest Judges and whatnot.

[Menarker]

Originally Posted by Dracorion

Sure, you get less electrical engineers, but you get more Nurse Joys, Pokemon Professors, Contest Judges and whatnot.

>_> I'm pretty certain that if Team Rocket can use teleporters in their hide-outs ingames, or everyday trainers with connections to a pokemon professer to teleport pokemons past the 6th pokemon they capture to a PC (AND STORE ITEMS IN SAID PCs IN A MANNER SIMILAR TO HYPER-DIMENSIONAL SPACE), that engineers are not as rare or unvalued as you guys make them think they are.

Yes, pokemon specific professions exist. But professions that don't focus on pokemons still exist and could even benefit from pokemons. Fire types, steel, fighting, ground/rock and other types for mining. Water for fishing or underwater exploration or mobile fire-fighting. Hell, Alakazam could be used in a library or any place where the impossible IQ of 5000 can be used. (Ignoring the fact that IQ is not a measure of intelligence but the ratio of your intellect when compared to the age of your peers) Technology still has room to grow, but having intelligent creatures that can use their brand of magic can help professions out in a variety of ways.

[Dracorion]

I believe Geminex's point is that an electrical engineer wouldn't need to develop better and more ingenious ways to provide electricity because pokemon are already there.

And any insight that could be gained into other fields from those potential developments also wouldn't happen.

Originally Posted by Menarker

>_> I'm pretty certain that if Team Rocket can use teleporters in their hide-outs ingames, or everyday trainers with connections to a pokemon professer to teleport pokemons past the 6th pokemon they capture to a PC (AND STORE ITEMS IN SAID PCs IN A MANNER SIMILAR TO HYPER-DIMENSIONAL SPACE), that engineers are not as rare or unvalued as you guys make them think they are.

I'm going to tell you the same thing I told AB about pokeballs:

Shrinking ray.

As for teleporters? Yeah, that's worth exploring further. Though who's to say it isn't being done already?

Same with space travel, really.

Originally Posted by Geminex

With demonic powers on the other hand... There'd be so much variety. So many different powers, so many abilities that others simply can't comprehend, that nobody than the guy using them would expect! It'd be difficult to defend yourself against someone whose power you didn't even know existed until he turned it on you.

I'm fairly certain most of the powers would be generic and unvaried.

Except, like, I said, for the occassional wild card that gets bitchin' powers for plot purposes.

Originally Posted by Geminex

Look, are you sure Impact is gonna be the bad guy? Cause man, you have potential!

Well, obviously I do.

Anyway, come on. You see it all the time. Sometimes when people reach a certain age they're perfectly comfortable with dying. That's just a fact.

The difference is that if they're half-demon they have to kill themselves instead of just lying down and waiting. And the people who want to die are more than capable of killing themselves one way or another.

Originally Posted by Geminex

Find a way to live in peace with the wild ones. They aren't mindless killing machines, and they're mildly intelligent. It should be possible to communicate with them. And if you can communicate, you can make deals. Even if these deals involve the threat of force.

You're gonna make a deal with every single pokemon herd in the world?

Also, some of these fuckers are proud. You can threaten them with force all you like, but they're going to fight tooth and nail until you wipe them out. Which kinda is against the whole point, don't you think?

And when I say "some" I mean "a lot".

And before you know it, you're like the europeans wiping out the indians.

Originally Posted by Geminex

True, but what do they do? They don't participate in any useful research. They aren't very productive. The Professor and the Nurse might help us interact with pokemon a little better. But I think the potential of pokemon is nothing compared to the potential that technology has.

Edit: And that's pretty much my response to Menarker's post as well. Technology has no limits. Replacing it with something that has limitations (which pokemon do) will only harm you in the long run. And sure, engineers aren't rare, or undervalued. Hommnyran society has progressed. But I'm saying it would have progressed one hell of a lot more if not for all those pokemon everyone's using.

Okay man, technology does have a limit.

That's what physical laws do. They're fuckers like that.

Sure, technology can certainly reach farther than pokemon. BUT, unbridled technological advancement? That can get pretty messy.

I mean, it starts out innocent. One cure for cancer here and one anti-AIDS pill there, and before you know it the future is fucked up because someone went and made a bomb that can eat an entire country.

And with Honmyr? That for all it's technological advancement is incredibly fucked up (and I'm sure one could make the argument that it's because of the technological advancement that it's fucked up)? That's what would happen.

[Dracorion]

Originally Posted by Geminex

Well, like I said: I'm saying that nothing can be gained from researching pokemon's attributes, because said attributes can't be scientifically replicated.

Still useful. Because, you know, you might just find out a use for Snorlax's fertility aura that no one's ever thought of before.

Like it can cure cancer or something.

Originally Posted by Geminex

Oh, and I just saw this:

It was in the final fucking deal. If you make me look it up for you, that'll make another 2%.

Eh, I'll get around to it sometime when it's not the middle of the night.

Originally Posted by Geminex

Edit:
Only just realized that Drac actually posted before me.

If not for electrode, humans would have had to look for alternate sources. Wind, solar maybe, both of which would have created lots of jobs for electrical engineers, which then would have further benefited electronical development in general. Or even nuclear, which would've motivated research into theoretical physics, and could have been used for a huge variety of other tasks, from power spaceships, to powering airships.

Except, y'know, nuclear is dangerous.

Also, I'm fairly certain those jobs are replaced by some other profession in the pokemon world.

Originally Posted by Geminex

As for the wild pokemon, fair enough. But that's pretty much the only way I can think of that they've benefited society, instead of held it back. And if the only way something benefits society is by killing other things, there has to be a way to replace it.

No one ever said killing! Whatever happened to just "fainting"?

Originally Posted by Geminex

Allright, how about "No". Just... "No".

Also, he probably wouldn't start his own space program.

Probably just back up one or some or all of the existing ones.

Originally Posted by Geminex

Yes, only at the moment people's "special"-ness stems from their mental ability, their physical ability and their personality. Add "supernatural powers" to that equation and you've got one hell of a clustfuck. Seriously, even if everyone has them, it'd be horrible.

Actually, aside from the occassional blasts of demonic power and elemental manipulation and shit, most Magatama powers would fall under mental and physical abilities, wouldn't they?

And everyone would probably have the increased toughness and regenerative abilities.

[Geminex]

... How is that any different from what goes on now?

Well, at the moment, people are still... similar. For all their uniqueness, the means at their disposal are still more or less the same. The way they'd use to harm someone else will be the same way someone else will harm them. They can... expect it. Sure, technology and an increasingly complex society cause quite a bit of deviation. But ultimately, people are still similar enough that it's more or less of a fair fight. They can defend themselves.

With demonic powers on the other hand... There'd be so much variety. So many different powers, so many abilities that others simply can't comprehend, that nobody than the guy using them would expect! It'd be difficult to defend yourself against someone whose power you didn't even know existed until he turned it on you.

So if someone didn't want to live forever, they could just kill themselves when they got bored.

Look, are you sure Impact is gonna be the bad guy? Cause man, you have potential!

Well, I'll start brainstorming. You tell me when you come up with something better.

Find a way to live in peace with the wild ones. They aren't mindless killing machines, and they're mildly intelligent. It should be possible to communicate with them. And if you can communicate, you can make deals. Even if these deals involve the threat of force.

Sure, you get less electrical engineers, but you get more Nurse Joys, Pokemon Professors, Contest Judges and whatnot.

True, but what do they do? They don't participate in any useful research. They aren't very productive. The Professor and the Nurse might help us interact with pokemon a little better. But I think the potential of pokemon is nothing compared to the potential that technology has.

Edit: And that's pretty much my response to Menarker's post as well. Technology has no limits. Replacing it with something that has limitations (which pokemon do) will only harm you in the long run. And sure, engineers aren't rare, or undervalued. Hommnyran society has progressed. But I'm saying it would have progressed one hell of a lot more if not for all those pokemon everyone's using.