Pre-emptive Sony News thread.

[bluestarultor]

Originally Posted by Funka Genocide

According to your profile I'm older than you, and I know for a fact we had 4 buttons and D-pad.

Yeah, being (roughly) a year younger, I'm sure it's pretty safe to say you were at least typing in your games. Man, we should make kids do that again. It'll teach them awesome words like "bouillon" again. If you can't spell correctly, you can't play the game. Literacy, ahoy! :p



Edit:

Originally Posted by NonCon

You are so gullible its stupid.

And seriously, what little I saw of them showing it off looked like shit.

No need to get snippy. And, uh, what the hell were you expecting? It's test software. It's a ten-minute video showing off its technical capabilities, not a sneak peek into the next blockbuster.

Admittedly, it would have helped if the guy using the control system didn't totally suck at games, but even as uncoordinated as he was, it did everything exactly as he did, so I really don't see what the problem is.

[Professor Smarmiarty]

Originally Posted by Funka Genocide

According to your profile I'm older than you, and I know for a fact we had 4 buttons and D-pad.

Maybe if you were a pussy.

Also Sony cannot live up to their promises unless they have broken the laws of physics. In that demo he said control was 1:1 which is impossible. So there is no point saying Sony can live up to that because they can't.

[bluestarultor]

Originally Posted by Smarty McBarrelpants

Maybe if you were a pussy.

Also Sony cannot live up to their promises unless they have broken the laws of physics. In that demo he said control was 1:1 which is impossible. So there is no point saying Sony can live up to that because they can't.

Smarty, we both know that that's an empty argument. 1:1 is an asymptote that can be approached and never reached, but after a certain point, the lag is so minimal that a human can't tell the difference, which is where we're at right now. It's EFFECTIVELY 1:1, close enough where you can round without it making much difference.

Unless we see some actual lag when games hit shelves, the technicality isn't going to be an issue.

[Melfice]

Originally Posted by bluestarultor

Unless we see some actual lag when games hit shelves, the technicality isn't going to be an issue.

You're giving Sony a lot of credit.
I'd rather say "When we see some actual lag..." and then swallow my words when EVERY game to get this technology implemented doesn't lag, than be so sure about technology that's in it's children shoes.

[BitVyper]

THE circuit board? Like, did you all share, or what?

Ah, yes, the "evil" universe. We have dismissed these claims.

I think that Turian may have revolutionized how we debate.

[DFM]

I'm sure the Wii tech demos were nothing like that.

[Azisien]

Finally I can load up my PS3 and live my ultimate fantasy!

[Kim]

Originally Posted by bluestarultor

No need to get snippy. And, uh, what the hell were you expecting? It's test software. It's a ten-minute video showing off its technical capabilities, not a sneak peek into the next blockbuster.

Admittedly, it would have helped if the guy using the control system didn't totally suck at games, but even as uncoordinated as he was, it did everything exactly as he did, so I really don't see what the problem is.

The problem is that you're expecting everything to work exactly according to a tech demo put together and done by Sony people. Maybe if you had a link to some people whose paycheck didn't depend on making it look like the BEST THING EVAR, I'd maybe give you some credit. Instead, from my perspective, you're pretty much saying "The Wii didn't live up to its tech demos but the Arc will because shutupshutupshutup."

On top of all this, I honestly can't see any games that try to use this being anything beyond gimmicky and terrible. It's a ripoff of a control scheme that I'm not too fond of even on the system it was invented for. I'd bet dollars to dimes that the games that will use this will utterly fail to use it in an actually useful or interesting way. Most of the games that do use the Arc will be *gasp* shovelware crap because that's what the target demographic will buy. There may be a handful of games that are decent or even more than decent, but I expect anything that good will also have a normal control scheme that will be superior to the Arc in every goddamn way. In fact, I expect Sony's grab at the market for shovelware and motion controls will fall flat on its face because why would publishers choose the PS3 when they can opt for the Wii, which is much cheaper to develop for.

EDIT: I mean, I'll concede that I'm being a douche about it, but at this point I'm honestly baffled about how anyone can be excited for Arc or Natal.

[bluestarultor]

Originally Posted by NonCon

The problem is that you're expecting everything to work exactly according to a tech demo put together and done by Sony people. Maybe if you had a link to some people whose paycheck didn't depend on making it look like the BEST THING EVAR, I'd maybe give you some credit. Instead, from my perspective, you're pretty much saying "The Wii didn't live up to its tech demos but the Arc will because shutupshutupshutup."

On top of all this, I honestly can't see any games that try to use this being anything beyond gimmicky and terrible. It's a ripoff of a control scheme that I'm not too fond of even on the system it was invented for. I'd bet dollars to dimes that the games that will use this will utterly fail to use it in an actually useful or interesting way. Most of the games that do use the Arc will be *gasp* shovelware crap because that's what the target demographic will buy. There may be a handful of games that are decent or even more than decent, but I expect anything that good will also have a normal control scheme that will be superior to the Arc in every goddamn way. In fact, I expect Sony's grab at the market for shovelware and motion controls will fall flat on its face because why would publishers choose the PS3 when they can opt for the Wii, which is much cheaper to develop for.

NonCon, you remember when the Wii was released right along with MotionPlus? No? Good, we're still in the same reality, then.

Put simply, they're promising full 1:1 off the bat and have shown their system has it. Wii promised, or at least implied, the same thing and didn't. And really, you said yourself that the tech demo looked like crap. To be expected, sure, but the developers of the system made it for testing purposes, as in they put zero time and money into it. It was thrown together just to make sure the features all worked. The real software using the device is going to have a LOT more time and money put in, because they won't be busy developing the device. It's like blaming Chrono Team for Dragon Quest issues. Parallel jobs, here.

On shovelware, why should anyone, according to your own logic, produce it for the PS3 when the Wii is easier and cheaper to develop for? Wii still has a large market share, does it not? Have they all been evaporating? No? Well, then. Also, many GOOD games are going to see a retrofit, including Little Big Planet and RE5, to offer a new way to play.

On gimmick, sure, maybe. I'll give you that one. On the other hand, traditional controllers aren't going away, either. If you don't like the wand-waving, you can always go back to the old system. There are advantages and disadvantages to any control system, and motion controls are better suited to some games than others. It might finally open up console RTS, as shown in the demo. Maybe you'll be able to actually sword at stuff in Oblivion now and feel a satisfying rumble as you knock a guy's block off with Rockbreaker.



My point is that I still possess a little joy and wonder in the world (really!) and am willing to give this a chance. If it's good, GREAT! If it falls by the wayside, well, it still has the old control system, $30 down, not the end of the world. If you're into that sort of thing, plug it into a 2P game, world's cheapest vibrator, amirite?

[Kim]

Originally Posted by bluestarultor

NonCon, you remember when the Wii was released right along with MotionPlus? No? Good, we're still in the same reality, then.

Hey, remember when that was kind of my fucking point? No? Read again.

Put simply, they're promising full 1:1 off the bat and have shown their system has it.

No. They're promising full 1:1 and have shown their tech demo has it... maybe...

Wii promised, or at least implied, the same thing and didn't.

I welcome you all once again to the point I was making about how publishers lie to you, and so do tech demos. DUN DUN DUNNNNNNNN

And really, you said yourself that the tech demo looked like crap. To be expected, sure, but the developers of the system made it for testing purposes, as in they put zero time and money into it. It was thrown together just to make sure the features all worked. The real software using the device is going to have a LOT more time and money put in, because they won't be busy developing the device.

Okay, so let me get this straight... because I don't want to get anything wrong here... but if you're saying what I think you're saying... that's a pretty terrible argument there Blues.

You're claiming that what we were shown in the tech demo wasn't what we'll actually be getting. So, what they showed during the tech demo doesn't exist... not really. What we're getting is something different that promises what was shown in the tech demo. I remind you that this is a tech demo that, despite being built around "Hey guys look at this awesome glowing dildo and all it can do!", looked like shit. Your argument in support of the product is that the tech demo showed that it can do what they promise, yet you follow that with "Well complaining about the tech demo is dumb because that isn't the real product."?

So... in short... I can't bitch about the tech demo because that product doesn't exist, but it still proves that what they're selling will work?

On shovelware, why should anyone, according to your own logic, produce it for the PS3 when the Wii is easier and cheaper to develop for? Wii still has a large market share, does it not? Have they all been evaporating? No? Well, then. Also, many GOOD games are going to see a retrofit, including Little Big Planet and RE5, to offer a new way to play.

I have an anecdote for you all. One time I said that most of the software for a product would be shovelware, because purchasers of shovelware were the prime demographic. I take this moment to remind you that although the Wii has the shovelware market cornered pretty well, meaning that most shovelware software will be for the Wii, it is not the only console with shovelware. Anyways, I also made a point to mention that there would probably be good games that took advantage of the Arc. However, I followed that with the statement that the Arc controls would most likely be inferior to the standard controls. Why? Because this is something we observed on the Wii, and since the Arc is a very similar product, it's safe to say that that will probably carry over. My anecdote concludes with Blues ignoring all these points because he has JOY and WONDER and apparently that's enough to discredit reality.