Final Fantasy X (The Longest Journey) - Page 4

Nique · 01-01-2010, 06:02 PM

Running PS2 emulators on anything other than a supercomputer is a fools dream. Esspecially with a game like FFX. I don't know enough to say it's impossible but I ran a perfect PS2 emulator install, started it up and tried to play straight off the FFX disc and got nowhere. Also Krylo is right. Spend 60 bucks and find a sale somewheres. I just grabbed a bunch of great PS2 titles for $5 a pop.

TARDIS · 01-01-2010, 06:08 PM

I don't have teh console so that's not an option.

Kim · 01-01-2010, 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by CelesJessa

Nope, but it shouldn't really be that surprising. :3 Maybe I just don't play enough fancy jRPGs with movable camera that it's not standard issue to me. XD

I wasn't so much surprised so much as frustrated. All these corners and turns that I can't get good views of and it makes me feel like there is a treasure chest hiding there. I honestly can't remember the last time I played a 3D jRPG without a movable camera.

Nique · 01-01-2010, 06:27 PM

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I don't have teh console so that's not an option.

Mow some lawns? There's just not a lot of reason to emulate PS2 games since you'd basically spend more money and/or an equivilant amount of value in the form of time spent and still end up with an inferior product, than if you would fork-up $100 for a used PS2 and like 4 Games. Also emulation is bad and we don't talk about it.

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I wasn't so much surprised so much as frustrated. All these corners and turns that I can't get good views of and it makes me feel like there is a treasure chest hiding there. I honestly can't remember the last time I played a 3D jRPG without a movable camera.

Oh yeah that's gonna drive you nuts. There is the constant lingering paranoia that behind every unseen corner is a wonderful treasure that you have to get NOW or it won't be there later! I can't decide if finding nothing or finding '5 Gil' is worse.

Yumil · 01-01-2010, 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Nique

Running PS2 emulators on anything other than a supercomputer is a fools dream. Esspecially with a game like FFX. I don't know enough to say it's impossible but I ran a perfect PS2 emulator install, started it up and tried to play straight off the FFX disc and got nowhere. Also Krylo is right. Spend 60 bucks and find a sale somewheres. I just grabbed a bunch of great PS2 titles for $5 a pop.

It's actually pretty good now for slightly obsolete computers(stuff thats a few years old). Heck, the leading emu was built specifically for FFX, as thats what they were aiming to emulate. I've played FFXII on it(since my ps2 died) and my computer isn't a total behemoth(Q6600, 4 gigs of ram, 2x9600gt's sli'd... but Ive run it outside of using SLI and for a while was only at 2 gigs of ram). If your computer is ancient, or just doesnt have dual core or an ok gfx card, then dont try to emulate on your computer...go buy a ps2, cuz it's cheaper than upgrading your computer to play it.

That said, the emu still has problems(Gitaroo Man is slow and it's my favorite game in my library...so I ended up buying a ps2 again) and I still suggest buying a ps2. They are hella cheap.

Ryong · 01-01-2010, 09:14 PM

You crazy people. Gauntlet Legends on the Nintendo 64 is still impossible to emulate. And, about the camera: Don't worry, there aren't many missables and the ones that are, aren't important. Unless on the International Version...

Magus · 01-02-2010, 03:00 AM

Much like FFXIII, FFX was a straight line. Not just the dungeons, if FFXIII has some other thing that's not a straight line. The entirety of FFX is a straight line, with an extremely basic rock-paper-scissors combat apparatus, summons which cause 9999999999 damage so it's pretty hard to lose, and if you grind even a little you can complete the game with little trouble. I only died twice in FFX, the first time when you first fight Sin and the second time when you fight Seymour on that Ronso mountain thingy. Other than that it was easy for the main quest, there's really no difficulty entailed in it whatever.

Also the ultimate weapons are somewhat pointless because 1. ultimate is entirely subjective, since I never bothered to get most of them and was still Doublecasting Ultima for 1 MP with Yuna and Luna and killing monsters instantly with Auron's petrifying sword thingy, when I wasn't having Tidus attack five times in a row through the use of haste and slow and cheer, etc. FFX is broken and overkill is easy, the game is easy, all the extra stuff seemed superfluous for some reason, possibly due to the game being a straight line until it killed my will to care about anything other than what is next in progression to beat the game. In the absence of non-linearity for a great length of time I'm not about to start caring suddenly when it shows up again.

*SPOILERS*Here I complain some more on this page.*SPOILERS*

TARDIS · 01-02-2010, 03:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Magus

Much like FFXIII, FFX was a straight line. Not just the dungeons, if FFXIII has some other thing that's not a straight line. The entirety of FFX is a straight line, with an extremely basic rock-paper-scissors combat apparatus, summons which cause 9999999999 damage so it's pretty hard to lose, and if you grind even a little you can complete the game with little trouble. I only died twice in FFX, the first time when you first fight Sin and the second time when you fight Seymour on that Ronso mountain thingy. Other than that it was easy for the main quest, there's really no difficulty entailed in it whatever.

Also the ultimate weapons are somewhat pointless because 1. ultimate is entirely subjective, since I never bothered to get most of them and was still Doublecasting Ultima for 1 MP with Yuna and Luna and killing monsters instantly with Auron's petrifying sword thingy, when I wasn't having Tidus attack five times in a row through the use of haste and slow and cheer, etc. FFX is broken and overkill is easy, the game is easy, all the extra stuff seemed superfluous for some reason, possibly due to the game being a straight line until it killed my will to care about anything other than what is next in progression to beat the game. In the absence of non-linearity for a great length of time I'm not about to start caring suddenly when it shows up again.

*SPOILERS*Here I complain some more on this page.*SPOILERS*

can anything be more broken than the multiple hit limits in FF7 and 8? Other than any combo in 5 or 6 that requires Quick and a powerful attack (you can only summon Bahamut once per battle in 6 and have Ultima. 5 lacks Ultima but you can summon Bahamut repeatedly.)

Magus · 01-02-2010, 03:16 AM

It takes a long time to get that stuff working in those games due to the high amounts of grinding, and personally I never did most of it the first couple of times through. In FFV it takes a lot of work to get a summoner with doublecast so you can doublecast Bahamut. Also in FFV Advance they added in an extra dungeon that even with fully broken characters was a challenge, but that wasn't in the original so I suppose it doesn't count.

In FFVI you have to know how to get Raiden to get Quick, and it takes a long time to get Quick for a character due to the learning rate, and so on and so forth.

FFX just sort of puts everything out there, and Tidus' abilities for one were very easy to abuse. In any case I probably have a double-standard about something being "broken" because there were so many other aspects of the game I disliked at the time. Almost every game can be broken at some point or other but FFX just sort of broke itself with the summoning system, whereas with other games the player has to exploit the game design.

EDIT: Also you won't be hearin' me defending FF7 and 8, though I don't remember the multiple hits in FF7.

Mirai Gen · 01-02-2010, 03:40 AM

Also didn't FFX have this dungeon where like every random encounter in it was all a boss fight? Yeah that's pretty much there for the obsessives.

Also also the superweapons for everyone are stupid tedious/hard. I didn't even bother.

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Originally Posted by NonCon

I wasn't so much surprised so much as frustrated. All these corners and turns that I can't get good views of and it makes me feel like there is a treasure chest hiding there. I honestly can't remember the last time I played a 3D jRPG without a movable camera.

This and also I think everything in FFX - literally everything - has been rendered. I remember a cutscene where the camera's fixed and then, for some reason, it changes angle to point at the exact other side of the room, and it's all rendered. There's absolutely no reason not to include a free-look or first-person look button. It honestly surprised me to when my then-roommate and I split the game up.

Having said thus, I dunno, it was alright. For some reason we had a huge problem on the second Seymore fight. Grinded a bit, unleashed a fuckton of summons, and he died.

01-02-2010, 03:00 AM	#37
Magus Archer and Armstrong vs. the World Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Pennsylvania Posts: 7,164	Much like FFXIII, FFX was a straight line. Not just the dungeons, if FFXIII has some other thing that's not a straight line. The entirety of FFX is a straight line, with an extremely basic rock-paper-scissors combat apparatus, summons which cause 9999999999 damage so it's pretty hard to lose, and if you grind even a little you can complete the game with little trouble. I only died twice in FFX, the first time when you first fight Sin and the second time when you fight Seymour on that Ronso mountain thingy. Other than that it was easy for the main quest, there's really no difficulty entailed in it whatever. Also the ultimate weapons are somewhat pointless because 1. ultimate is entirely subjective, since I never bothered to get most of them and was still Doublecasting Ultima for 1 MP with Yuna and Luna and killing monsters instantly with Auron's petrifying sword thingy, when I wasn't having Tidus attack five times in a row through the use of haste and slow and cheer, etc. FFX is broken and overkill is easy, the game is easy, all the extra stuff seemed superfluous for some reason, possibly due to the game being a straight line until it killed my will to care about anything other than what is next in progression to beat the game. In the absence of non-linearity for a great length of time I'm not about to start caring suddenly when it shows up again. SPOILERSHere I complain some more on this page.SPOILERS __________________ The Valiant Review Last edited by Magus; 01-02-2010 at 03:05 AM.

01-02-2010, 03:16 AM	#39
Magus Archer and Armstrong vs. the World Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Pennsylvania Posts: 7,164	It takes a long time to get that stuff working in those games due to the high amounts of grinding, and personally I never did most of it the first couple of times through. In FFV it takes a lot of work to get a summoner with doublecast so you can doublecast Bahamut. Also in FFV Advance they added in an extra dungeon that even with fully broken characters was a challenge, but that wasn't in the original so I suppose it doesn't count. In FFVI you have to know how to get Raiden to get Quick, and it takes a long time to get Quick for a character due to the learning rate, and so on and so forth. FFX just sort of puts everything out there, and Tidus' abilities for one were very easy to abuse. In any case I probably have a double-standard about something being "broken" because there were so many other aspects of the game I disliked at the time. Almost every game can be broken at some point or other but FFX just sort of broke itself with the summoning system, whereas with other games the player has to exploit the game design. EDIT: Also you won't be hearin' me defending FF7 and 8, though I don't remember the multiple hits in FF7. __________________ The Valiant Review

01-01-2010, 06:08 PM	#32
TARDIS Shyguy Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 190	I don't have teh console so that's not an option.

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Ryong Professional Threadkiller Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Brazil Posts: 3,798	You crazy people. Gauntlet Legends on the Nintendo 64 is still impossible to emulate. And, about the camera: Don't worry, there aren't many missables and the ones that are, aren't important. Unless on the International Version...