If you could take over a game company...

[Solid Snake]

Originally Posted by bluestarultor

Okay, you know what? Step back from the computer and go take a shower or something. Listen to some music and cool off and then come back and read the rest of this post. I haven't seen an explosion like that since my cousin wired together enough firecrackers to be considered dynamite.

...Uhh...

Am I...missing something?

Because I'm pretty sure there was nothing in my post that remotely resembled an explosion. I mean I wasn't even remotely offended with your post. I disagreed with it? I expressed that I disagreed with it? I made a single sentence of a fairly innocuous joke that simply established that I disagreed with you? And then I kind of dropped you out of the picture altogether, and just critiqued the idea of Chrono Trigger characters appearing as playable characters in Chrono Cross?
But trust me, as someone who just likes playing the role of the CT fanboy who despises the manner in which Chrono Cross destroyed its predecessor: I wasn't remotely upset. Or taking anything remotely seriously.

Ready to talk intelligently? Okay.

That's a little...unnecessarily insulting, don't you think?
I mean the worst I said about you was, what, I disagreed with you? That shouldn't make me unintelligent, bro. =)
(Not quite sure where the 'holier than thou' part comes into play, really.)

You know what my proposal is? Square saying, "By God, we're sorry and we're fixing this shit." It's the LEAST they can do after making darn sure Cross was canon with CTDS. It would be a 20-hour apology for screwing stuff up so badly in the first place. And it can be done. How do I know? I'm a game writer. I have to think about these things for my own projects. If you're going to retcon, you can definitely do it with style.

::shrug:: I mean we'd have to agree to disagree, then. From my perspective, there's really no way you could possibly salvage Chrono Cross, no matter how great a writer you or anyone else is: if you were to attempt to do so, you'd change so many essential plot twists and storyline developments and character progression that the game wouldn't look anything like Chrono Cross anymore. It'd be a fallacy to identify said theoretical sequel as Chrono Cross.

[BitVyper]

I feel bad for Yasunori Mitsuda though. So much stellar effort invested into a soundtrack for a game that defecated over the legacy

Okay if you really can't manage to divorce Trigger from Cross in your mind, I'm gonna say that's your problem. Cross is okay. It's not Trigger, but it also didn't rape anyone's grandma. I mean if they had an FMV of Dalton raping and murdering Marle in front of a crucified Crono, I could see your point, but this? The tie ins to the CT plot are already vague enough that CC could be made into a wholly separate game with only a little bit of work on the script. Get over it. Chrono Trigger is a magnificent game whether Cross exists or not.

The extra ending in the Trigger remake is more offensive than anything in Cross was.

Because I'm pretty sure there was nothing in my post that remotely resembled an explosion.

Honestly? Then reread your post. It may not be a trollsplosion, but it was definitely extreme enough.

Edit: Which isn't to say I think Blues' response is totally merited, but I can see where he's seeing an overreaction.

[Solid Snake]

Originally Posted by BitVyper

Okay if you really can't manage to divorce Trigger from Cross in your mind, I'm gonna say that's your problem. Cross is okay. It's not Trigger, but it also didn't rape anyone's grandma. I mean if they had an FMV of Dalton raping and murdering Marle in front of a crucified Crono, I could see your point, but this? The tie ins to the CT plot are already vague enough that CC could be made into a wholly separate game with only a little bit of work on the script. Get over it. Chrono Trigger is a magnificent game whether Cross exists or not.

You know, I think the real problem I'm running into here is that I'm not taking this conversation nearly as seriously as you guys are and that's leading you to feel offended when I melodramatize my points because I'm trying to be funny and elicit laughs.

(For example, if Magus were actually to literally come into Chrono Cross eight hours into the game and kill off all the Chrono Cross characters, in all seriousness, it'd be a terrible game and no one would enjoy it. Even Magus fanboys like myself who delighted at the ending would regret spending $50 on such an RPG. I wasn't trying to make a serious point there. I was going for the giggles, and exaggerating in the hopes other CT fanboys with similar opinions might chuckle at the thought.)

I mean yes, my statements do sort of reflect my personal opinion? But I've tried to include serious sidenotes to the effect of "as a standalone game, Chrono Cross is pretty average" for some time now. The rest is me just playing the role of a Chrono Trigger fanboy, in the same way I've talked up Persona 4 or cravenly bashed the Republican party lately. It's not intended to offend you.

The lesson I apparently should be taking from this is that I just can't replicate Fifthfiend's rather delightful sense of humor on the subject -- but that's kind of what I was going for.

But yes, if I were to put my serious hat on: Of course Chrono Trigger can be divisible from Chrono Cross, of course Chrono Cross wasn't a pile of a shit and of course it didn't negate Chrono Trigger's value as a game -- Chrono Trigger's one of my favorite RPGs of all time, to this day! Of course a theoretical retcon could probably make just about any mediocre-to-terrible game great, and I suppose it's theoretically feasible that a great writer could even make the concept of playable Chrono Trigger characters in Chrono Cross work, though I'd personally deeply oppose the idea. If anything I've said has come out as "holier than thou," then uhh, that wasn't my intention?

[Krylo]

Originally Posted by bluestarultor

I think we can get back to intelligent intercourse.

Not as long as you continue pretending like Chrono Cross is anything but completely terrible from start to finish.

[Bob The Mercenary]

So Solid, what's your opinion on Chrono Trigger?

[Krylo]

I hear he really liked the extra ending in the remake.

[bluestarultor]

Originally Posted by Krylo

Not as long as you continue pretending like Chrono Cross is anything but completely terrible from start to finish.

Oh, it is in many ways, but it's a fixable kind of terrible in all cases. It's unfinished. What I'd like to do is finish it and fix some of the worse flaws. The seed of a good game is in there. It just needs a bit more TLC.

[Donomni]

Anyways, back on topic? Like, seriously, I thought it was already established CT/CC was a minefield?

I'd take over Banpresto and force them to find a way to localize and make a Super Robot Wars for an international audience(Not any just-OG junk, actual mecha shows beating the shit out of each other).

If there's anything regarding games that irked me the most, it's Super Robot Wars.

[Krylo]

We were having fun, Don.

Well at least I was.

But fine, you go on back to your TOPICS and what not.


ALSO: Disagree about the seed of a good game, thing, unless the only part of the game you're going to pay attention is the tagline that includes "Sequel to Chrono Trigger".

[phil_]

I'd take over Sting and have them make a sequel to Dokapon Kingdom that makes Defense cover physical and magical damage (as opposed to Magic covering magical offense and defense), thus making the best competitive mulitplayer RPG system ever and, by extension, making the only game that could top Dokapon Kingdom in that regard.

Either that, or take over Gamefreak and push for them do another non-Pokémon game because, darn it, their not Pokémon games are fun.