Premmy's Big-Long Anti-Racism thread.

[Premmy]

cool, what does this have to do with what we're over here talking about?

[Solid Snake]

Originally Posted by Funka Genocide

I mean, I don't know what you propose to do. Throw money at the problem until it goes away I guess?

Well, I wouldn't advocate throwing too much money into the pockets of the impoverished, if that's what you're implying.

I would advocate encouraging higher taxes on the wealthy and having those taxes be funneled into programs that improved educational opportunities for the poor, ensured they were at least clothed and fed, and (perhaps most importantly) ensured that scientific organizations received funds to engage in some serious research and development into new technologies that improved all our lives and made resources less scarce in the first place, thus assisting in alleviating the scarcity of goods and resources that is the fundamental factor contributing to impoverishment.

...Fuck. I really am sounding like a liberal these days.

[Funka Genocide]

Originally Posted by Premonitions

cool, what does this have to do with what we're over here talking about?

You're not actually talking about anything Prems, your last several posts have been substance less one liners. Perhaps addressing specific concerns or making specific counterarguments would facilitate a resolution to our apparent disconnect?

[Premmy]

I was talking about racism in culture specifically, as that's what I'm interested in. You came in and made an angry post about poor people. After going back and forth with you a bit, and combing the internet, I realized this, and said so.
Edit: Actually I combed the internet for a bit, found sme good stuff to reference and make a super-long post about, then took a shower. I generally think clearer naked.

[DFM]

Originally Posted by Solid Snake

...Fuck. I really am sounding like a liberal these days.

The Liberal is a creature from beyond the black marsh, a wrong thing of shadows and spiders. It moves with a gurgling, half sickening lurch, corrupting all it lays its festering yellow eyes upon. Beware the bite of the Liberal, Solid Snake, lest you find yourself horribly transformed. You will become a hollow mirror, a cruel mockery of every right and noble thing you once stood for. As its poison bile festers in your veins its sight will repel you less, its stench will no longer repulse you. You will begin to see the world through its dim, hating eyes and then, Solid Snake, in the final throws of your too-short life, your dying mind will realize that you are now the Liberal, and you have much work to do.

[Kim]

Originally Posted by Solid Snake

...Fuck. I really am sounding like a liberal these days.

no snake you are the zombies liberals

[Funka Genocide]

Originally Posted by Premonitions

I was talking about racism in culture specifically, as that's what I'm interested in. You, came in and made an angry post about poor people. After going back and forth with you a bit, and combing the internet, I realized this, and said so.

Well I suppose I was a bit miffed, fair enough.

I feel you're not really reading the substance of my posts however, moreso than them being angry rants about poor people, they are angry rants about a societal trend towards guilt shifting and a lack of accountability.

If your children are hungry yet you live in a place where you are free to work, where work is available and food is plentiful, then you are at fault.

I don't really see your basis for claiming this overarching racism that is ruling our lives though. A racial or ethnic minority citizen of the United States of America is not legally barred from employment in any field, in fact it is unconstitutional to do so. Men and women of every race are employed in ever occupation imaginable in American society. Education is expensive for everyone, and of course people who had money in their family before they were born have better odds of being affluent themselves.

Now, the root of this "racism" is that the oldest money in America is held by white families. They amassed this money generation ago in a different era when all kinds of contemporarily horrible practices were common place. However, that doesn't change the reality of today.

They control society by virtue of their wealth, they have their wealth by virtue of their ancestors privilege. Minorities don't have this advantage, however neither do the vast majority of white people. So blaming an entire race for the fact that old money rules the world just strikes me as racist as well.

Basically, I don't see the proof of obvious privilege except in the case of preexisting money in your family before birth, which only supports my claim of discrimination in America being a class based issue and not a race based issue. My statements up to this point have been made in an effort to illustrate the fact that the American government doesn't just dole out wads of cash to people based on the tint of their skin. You don't get into Harvard because you're whiter than the next guy and you don't work for Chase Manhattan because you've got blonde hair. America is, for most practical purposes, a meritocracy where ability and hard work can make you a fuck ton of cash, and having a fuckton of cash in America is a good thing.

[Amake]

This thread if funny to me because in my country Liberals are the blue-themed, generally mistrusted underdogs to the right of the political spectrum.

[Premmy]

Originally Posted by Funka Genocide

Now, the root of this "racism" is that the oldest money in America is held by white families. They amassed this money generation ago in a different era when all kinds of contemporarily horrible practices were common place. However, that doesn't change the reality of today.

Nope, It does'nt change the fact that they've had all this time to dictate a culture that favors them.

So blaming an entire race for the fact that old money rules the world just strikes me as racist as well.

I don't recall "Blaming" anyone. I said that the people in charge, who dictate how our culture behaves as a whole, are white. So did you.

[Funka Genocide]

Originally Posted by Premonitions

Nope, It does'nt change the fact that they've had all this time to dictate a culture that favors them.

I don't recall "Blaming" anyone. I said that the people in charge, who dictate how our culture behaves as a whole, are white. So did you.

So what precisely are the cultural distinctions between "white" culture and "black" culture in America and why do they exist?

If you are defining white and black as cultures and not races, then would it be fair to say that a racially black person can be culturally white? If this is the case, isn't it a personal decision to be a minority then?