"Global Warming" or "Interesting Debate On Munk" - Page 11

Meister · 03-08-2010, 03:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Seil

Understanding NPF debate threads in one easy panel.

Mirai Gen · 03-08-2010, 05:01 AM

Good thing we got rid of the discussion forum so that doesn't happen anymore.

Really dodged a bullet there.

Azisien · 03-08-2010, 11:53 AM

Yeah now the arguments only happen in every single subforum!

Funka Genocide · 03-08-2010, 12:19 PM

You're all a bunch of cocksuckers. Globally warmed cocksuckers.

But anyways, so I actually watched most of the video and found it very interesting, however in the end it was pretty much the same thing that happens here, except with bigger words.

Someone cites a source, someone invalidates that source and cites their own, someone says "nuh uh" so on and so forth.

I think the pertinent information is that yes, humans have and are continuing to change the global climate. This is a bad thing, not a good thing.

However, I came away disagreeing with the resolution they were debating on. I don't think climate change is the "defining issue of mankind" or whatever, fuck if anything nuclear weaponry still is, but moreso than that it's rampant poverty in developing nations, and going green cold turkey isn't going to do fuck all for developing nations, who will likely face strict economic sanctions for their inability to meet first world green standards.

We should work on it yes, I feel that developed nations should make efforts to decrease their carbon footprints drastically, but trying to force the rest of the world to measure up to first world benchmarks is probably detrimental.

Osterbaum · 03-08-2010, 08:34 PM

No valid and/or informed claim proving human induced global warming wrong as a scientific theory has been presented in this thread. Nor has one such argument been made against changing our ways and our dependance on fossil fuels. Not one. It is good to be skeptical, but there is a big difference between that and convinient ignorance.

Funka Genocide · 03-08-2010, 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Osterbaum

No valid and/or informed claim proving human induced global warming wrong as a scientific theory has been presented in this thread. Nor has one such argument been made against changing our ways and our dependance on fossil fuels. Not one. It is good to be skeptical, but there is a big difference between that and convinient ignorance.

uh well, considering the very true fact that we've added about 30% more carbon to the atmosphere than before the industrial revolution... I don't think anyone CAN make a valid or informed claim that human induced global warming is wrong.

Because its not wrong.

Nor can anyone really say that we should go on like this forever since, well there's only so much fossil fuel on the planet so we will eventually stop whether we want to or not.

The real question isn't should we do something or is it happening, it's what should we do and how.

That's what the video debate was about... at the beginning of the thread.

bluestarultor · 03-09-2010, 01:28 AM

So hey, on the subject, there's a new news article that helps illustrate some of the current, terrifying effects: http://news.yahoo.com/s/mcclatchy/20...latchy/3444187

Mirai Gen · 03-09-2010, 02:16 AM

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In some spots off Washington state and Oregon , the almost complete absence of oxygen has left piles of Dungeness crab carcasses littering the ocean floor, killed off 25-year-old sea stars, crippled colonies of sea anemones and produced mats of potentially noxious bacteria that thrive in such conditions.

They were paid by the government.

Obviously.

Osterbaum · 03-09-2010, 03:29 AM

Obviosly. Didn't you know that lack of oxygen is actually good for marine life?

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Originally Posted by Funka

uh well, considering the very true fact that we've added about 30% more carbon to the atmosphere than before the industrial revolution... I don't think anyone CAN make a valid or informed claim that human induced global warming is wrong.

Wrong isn't the term I'd use, rather I use the term "bad". Because it is from many perspectives, one major one being the diminishing biodiversity of plant and animal life on earth.

Thadius · 03-09-2010, 07:05 AM

Let me try this once more.

Normally? I'd be content with sitting by. Really. I'd like for it to be proven one way or the other, that way I won't have to speak out and risk looking like an idiot.

However, since this issue has gone on for too long as is...

No I will not be sated with samples from a tree's rings or ice from Antarctica. I mean, yeah, that's good data and all, showing that when you put X amount of carbon into the air, you get Y amount of temperature increase. I admit that!

But that's only the data for that one spot on Earth.

I mean, yeah, you have to fuck up the atmosphere something fierce to affect fucking Antarctica, I admit that as well. Who said it was us though? What about, oh, I dunno, volcanic eruptions? What if the earth itself put that carbon up there?!

The best and most implausible way to be certain [madboy]would be to master time itself, release a satellite into orbit around the Earth, and have it gather the data for you of all of Earth's past[/madboy].

Barring that?

I'll wait it out. Whoever wins? Someone loses.

And yes, I am willing to admit that I could be wrong on my 'chosen' stance. Which I think puts me above...

Oh! Just about the entire rest of the world in this debate!

03-08-2010, 05:01 AM	#102
Mirai Gen We are Geth. Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 14,032	Good thing we got rid of the discussion forum so that doesn't happen anymore. Really dodged a bullet there. __________________

03-08-2010, 12:19 PM	#104
Funka Genocide Sent to the cornfield Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 4,566	I forgot we got rid of the discussion forum You're all a bunch of cocksuckers. Globally warmed cocksuckers. But anyways, so I actually watched most of the video and found it very interesting, however in the end it was pretty much the same thing that happens here, except with bigger words. Someone cites a source, someone invalidates that source and cites their own, someone says "nuh uh" so on and so forth. I think the pertinent information is that yes, humans have and are continuing to change the global climate. This is a bad thing, not a good thing. However, I came away disagreeing with the resolution they were debating on. I don't think climate change is the "defining issue of mankind" or whatever, fuck if anything nuclear weaponry still is, but moreso than that it's rampant poverty in developing nations, and going green cold turkey isn't going to do fuck all for developing nations, who will likely face strict economic sanctions for their inability to meet first world green standards. We should work on it yes, I feel that developed nations should make efforts to decrease their carbon footprints drastically, but trying to force the rest of the world to measure up to first world benchmarks is probably detrimental. Last edited by Funka Genocide; 03-08-2010 at 12:35 PM.

03-08-2010, 08:34 PM	#105
Osterbaum The revolution will be memed! Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: FIN Posts: 5,967	No valid and/or informed claim proving human induced global warming wrong as a scientific theory has been presented in this thread. Nor has one such argument been made against changing our ways and our dependance on fossil fuels. Not one. It is good to be skeptical, but there is a big difference between that and convinient ignorance. __________________ D is for Dirty Commie!

03-09-2010, 07:05 AM	#110
Thadius BEARD IMPACT Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: MANLY ANGER Posts: 1,977	Let me try this once more. Normally? I'd be content with sitting by. Really. I'd like for it to be proven one way or the other, that way I won't have to speak out and risk looking like an idiot. However, since this issue has gone on for too long as is... No I will not be sated with samples from a tree's rings or ice from Antarctica. I mean, yeah, that's good data and all, showing that when you put X amount of carbon into the air, you get Y amount of temperature increase. I admit that! But that's only the data for that one spot on Earth. I mean, yeah, you have to fuck up the atmosphere something fierce to affect fucking Antarctica, I admit that as well. Who said it was us though? What about, oh, I dunno, volcanic eruptions? What if the earth itself put that carbon up there?! The best and most implausible way to be certain [madboy]would be to master time itself, release a satellite into orbit around the Earth, and have it gather the data for you of all of Earth's past[/madboy]. Barring that? I'll wait it out. Whoever wins? Someone loses. And yes, I am willing to admit that I could be wrong on my 'chosen' stance. Which I think puts me above... Oh! Just about the entire rest of the world in this debate! __________________ ANGER HAS NEVER BEEN MORE MANLY THAN THIS.

03-08-2010, 11:53 AM	#103
Azisien wat Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 7,177	Yeah now the arguments only happen in every single subforum!