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Mike McC · 04-03-2010, 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Ryong

I think you're not playing Fallout 3 there, man. I'm pretty sure you can't charge or be anything close to a whirl of blades...

Shiskebab, Chinese Officer's sword, Vampire's edge, Jingwei's Shocksword, Samurai's Sword, all those knives...

BitVyper · 04-03-2010, 05:20 PM

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I think you're not playing Fallout 3 there, man. I'm pretty sure you can't charge or be anything close to a whirl of blades...

If you're doing it right, you can.

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I'll go back to being an actual whirlwind of blades and death on Titan Quest, btw.

Yeah, I can do exactly what a game wants me to as well. Following the rails can be fun and all, but when you have the many and varied options for solving your problems that Fallout 3 gives you, whatever you do feels more like a feat. There's some personal expression there that makes it a more fulfilling experience.

Krylo · 04-03-2010, 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Mike McC

Meh, using the scoped weapons is still better outside of vats, because you can hit enemies reliably from ludicrously far away outside of it, while inside of it the aiming is stupid and gives you low hit percentages.

Hell, I snipe people using the Dart gun. I dunno why I barely used the Dart Gun in my first playthrough, it quickly become one of my favorites when I started actually using it.

Indeed, in fact I very rarely use VATS unless I'm in close range, OR I can see them reaching for a grenade. My manual aiming is GENERALLY better, but for such small/fast moving objects, 4 shots at a 30% chance of scoring a hit tends to be better for me (and of course with high weapon skill your VATS hit nears/hits 100% at closer ranges, when manual aiming actually gets harder because they move out of frame more easily).

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Originally Posted by Ryong

I think you're not playing Fallout 3 there, man. I'm pretty sure you can't charge or be anything close to a whirl of blades...

But hey, imagination is a beautiful thing.

I'll go back to being an actual whirlwind of blades and death on Titan Quest, btw.

Pah.

Melee is the only time you really want to use VATS outside of hitting grenades and what not.

The extra damage is SUBSTANTIAL for melee weapons, you can often get about ten million attacks per VATS with 'unarmed' weapons (like the deathclaw gauntlet), and with the right abilities you can reload your VATS immediately upon killing something, combined with the fact that melee weapons don't have ammo, and you're immune to damage while in VATS...

Well, let's just say that 'whirlwind of blades and death' is something of an understatement if you're properly playing a melee character.

Ryong · 04-03-2010, 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by BitVyper

If you're doing it right, you can.

No, I'm pretty sure you can't charge at all. You also can't attack in a spinning fashion or dual-wielding any of the melee weapons in a way that could possibly qualify it as a "whirl of blades".

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Originally Posted by BitVyper

Yeah, I can do exactly what a game wants me to as well. Following the rails can be fun and all, but when you have the many and varied options for solving your problems that Fallout 3 gives you, whatever you do feels more like a feat. There's some personal expression there that makes it a more fulfilling experience.

...What are you talking about, seriously? I mentioned Titan Quest as it allows you to be the "whirl of blades" you mentioned, but I didn't say anything about it being a better game or complain about the open-world-ness of Fallout 3. Oh, and, yeah, I mentioned your imagination because you can't do what you mentioned in Fallout 3. Now, if you said you went and shot something with eight nukes at once, or cut a man in half with a flaming sword, or killed giant mutants with teddy bears thrown at the speed of a bullet, okay.

But no, you mentioned charging and being a "whirling of blades".

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Originally Posted by Krylo

The extra damage is SUBSTANTIAL for melee weapons, you can often get about ten million attacks per VATS with 'unarmed' weapons (like the deathclaw gauntlet), and with the right abilities you can reload your VATS immediately upon killing something, combined with the fact that melee weapons don't have ammo, and you're immune to damage while in VATS...

Well, let's just say that 'whirlwind of blades and death' is something of an understatement if you're properly playing a melee character.

I'd hardly call it whirling if you're not hitting more than one enemy at once while at the very least spinning.

BitVyper · 04-03-2010, 05:43 PM

Ryong, dude. Chill out.

Mike McC · 04-03-2010, 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Ryong

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Are you just incapable of not taking descriptions completely literally?

Hyperbole. It is a thing.

Ryong · 04-03-2010, 05:58 PM

I am not angry.

Maybe I'm grasping straws with "no you can't do this unless you use your imagination" but you just mentioned TQ's linearity as if it had anything to do with the discussion at the moment.

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Originally Posted by Mike McC

Are you just incapable of not taking descriptions completely literally?

Hyperbole. It is a thing.

So I complain about it being a hyperbole, you all try to prove your points that it isn't a hyperbole and then I say that they are and now you use it against me? Really?

Mike McC · 04-03-2010, 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Ryong

So I complain about it being a hyperbole, you all try to prove your points that it isn't a hyperbole and then I say that they are and now you use it against me? Really?

I was just listing blade weapons in case you didn't know about them/forgot about them, giving you the benefit of the doubt.

Getting all nerdragey over someone using 'whirlwind of blades' in a less than literal manner, in regard to a video game... That's, uh... yeah.

Ryong · 04-03-2010, 06:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Mike McC

I was just listing blade weapons in case you didn't know about them/forgot about them, giving you the benefit of the doubt.

Getting all nerdragey over someone using 'whirlwind of blades' in a less than literal manner, in regard to a video game... That's, uh... yeah.

First: Your avatar is very fitting at the moment.

Second: You quote the post and then ignore the "you all" part of it.

Third: I guess I'm getting off because it appears I'm being completely unreasonable so I'll just stop before I get banned.

Krylo · 04-03-2010, 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Ryong

I'd hardly call it whirling if you're not hitting more than one enemy at once while at the very least spinning.

VATS happens in bullet time, in case you didn't notice.

You can target more than one character per VATS. Especially if you're using 'iron knuckle' or 'spiked knuckle (if you insist there must be 'blades' involved) weapons--you can easily get upwards of 10 moves in a single VATS session.

You can, therefore, target a character in front of you, to the left of you, to the right of you, and behind you, all in one session of VATS.

When this plays out you will strike all of them, multiple times, before any of them would have had the chance to draw their weapons (assuming their weapons aren't already out).

You will also be spinning.

FURTHER, if you enter VATS using an unarmed/melee weapons while several yards away you will instantly move next to him to strike. If that's not 'charging' I don't know what is.

There's actually no hyperbole involved here, friend.

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