Racisms and Tea Partiers - Page 5

DFM · 04-26-2010, 02:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Premonitions

Black People Loot, white people Find

Finders have backpacks, looters steal our welfare.

Odjn · 04-26-2010, 06:27 AM

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Originally Posted by DFM

Finders have backpacks, looters steal our welfare.

And your heart.

Premmy · 04-26-2010, 08:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Viridis

Snopes talks about the loot/find thing a bit. I think the fact that the two pictures were captioned by two different people in different agencies is notable.
If it was the same person, yes it would be bias. Maybe if the same person had captioned both maybe they both would have been looting or finding.

All conjecture on my part, though.

Care to explain? not really understanding you, here.

Viridis · 04-26-2010, 08:24 AM

I'm saying one person made the 'looting' caption. A different person in a different agency (which may have different stylistic standards about this sort of thing) made the 'finding' caption. So it's less obviously bias than if one person had made both. Maybe.

Then I went on to speculate wildly that if the person who made the 'finding' caption had captioned both, they both might read 'finding' and the same for the other way around (if the 'looting' captioner had written both).

Clearer? I'm not saying it's not racist. Just that there other things to consider.

BattyAsHell · 04-26-2010, 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by BitVyper

Being fair, the black guy's got what looks like a couple garbage bags full of stuff compared to the white girl who has... a loaf of bread and a soda. I think the difference in terminology actually applies here... or I would if we were talking about something other than basic food items. I have a hard time looking at taking food from a grocery store so that you can survive as looting to begin with.

Yeah, and I'm reasonably certain even if a black person took food, it wouldn't be classified at looting, even by the same guy who called the black guy with the garbage bag of stuff a looter.. The only label that really makes sense is "shoplifter"...

Krylo · 04-26-2010, 08:26 PM

No, shoplifting is a thing that is done via stealth and subterfuge while a store is operational. It is, essentially, walking in, pocketing something, and walking out without being noticed during normal store hours.

Looting is a thing that is done during riots or natural disasters wherein you utilize only brute force to grab as much as you can while everyone is distracted.

You wouldn't call someone taking things from a store during a hurricane/flooding a shoplifter for the same reason you wouldn't call someone breaking into a store with guns a shoplifter.

EDIT: ALSO it doesn't matter whether those particular two pictures/their captions were racially motivated. The fact is that people of color ARE seen differently by the public at large than white people when partaking of the same things. That was the entire point of the article.

Anyone who can rub two brain cells together and has even the slightest sense of realism knows what would happen if the tea baggers were mostly black, hispanic, or arab (asians might get the same treatment as whites in this respect). Here's a hint: Fox News wouldn't be calling them heroes. The media would be turning it into a terrorist attack on the seat of our government, there'd be calls across the country for their arrest as 'dangerous malcontents'. They'd be characterized as another WACO group, and most likely be handled in a very similar way.

White people can get away with a bunch of shit other races can't.

HOWEVER, unlike the first post seemed to signify, this doesn't make the tea baggers themselves racist (though most of them probably are). They have no control over how the media, old white men, and the public at large view their actions. It's the institution itself that is racist. Our entire social paradigm.

Calling the Tea Party racists over this is missing the point and ignoring the larger problem.

THERE PREM, HAPPY NOW!? Makin' me say it.

Premmy · 04-26-2010, 11:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Krylo

White people can get away with a bunch of shit other races can't.

It bears mention that waaaaaaaay back During the civil rights Movement's most heated moments, when Black people said

"FINE! you're gonna keep us seperate and not allow us any freedoms or equality and want us to live forever in the ghetto? WE'LL GO AHEAD AND DO THAT SHIT! FUCK IT! WE'LL DO EXACTLY WHAT YOU WANT! we'll build our OWN communities, just LEAVE US ALONE! DON'T FUCK WITH US AT ALL AND WE'LL MAKE OUR OWN WAY! cause turning the other cheek just gets us spanked twice!"

They were pretty much immediately demonized as dangerous, eeeeevil black people and have been depicted as such by outside society ever since.

DFM · 04-27-2010, 12:00 AM

I always thought it was weird how like the Black Panthers were/are always the go to black extremist movement but when you actually read their stuff, especially considering the context it was written under, I dunno they always seemed pretty reasonable.

Professor Smarmiarty · 04-27-2010, 02:06 AM

No you see they were both communist AND they were black. It's like being Hitler AND the devil.

Osterbaum · 04-27-2010, 02:27 AM

Communist, black and (radical) activists at that. Oh my.

04-26-2010, 08:26 PM	#46
Krylo The Straightest Shota Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: It's a secret to everybody. Posts: 17,789	No, shoplifting is a thing that is done via stealth and subterfuge while a store is operational. It is, essentially, walking in, pocketing something, and walking out without being noticed during normal store hours. Looting is a thing that is done during riots or natural disasters wherein you utilize only brute force to grab as much as you can while everyone is distracted. You wouldn't call someone taking things from a store during a hurricane/flooding a shoplifter for the same reason you wouldn't call someone breaking into a store with guns a shoplifter. EDIT: ALSO it doesn't matter whether those particular two pictures/their captions were racially motivated. The fact is that people of color ARE seen differently by the public at large than white people when partaking of the same things. That was the entire point of the article. Anyone who can rub two brain cells together and has even the slightest sense of realism knows what would happen if the tea baggers were mostly black, hispanic, or arab (asians might get the same treatment as whites in this respect). Here's a hint: Fox News wouldn't be calling them heroes. The media would be turning it into a terrorist attack on the seat of our government, there'd be calls across the country for their arrest as 'dangerous malcontents'. They'd be characterized as another WACO group, and most likely be handled in a very similar way. White people can get away with a bunch of shit other races can't. HOWEVER, unlike the first post seemed to signify, this doesn't make the tea baggers themselves racist (though most of them probably are). They have no control over how the media, old white men, and the public at large view their actions. It's the institution itself that is racist. Our entire social paradigm. Calling the Tea Party racists over this is missing the point and ignoring the larger problem. THERE PREM, HAPPY NOW!? Makin' me say it. __________________ I am very tired. Last edited by Krylo; 04-26-2010 at 08:31 PM.

04-27-2010, 12:00 AM	#48
DFM Om Nom Nom Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 3,850	I always thought it was weird how like the Black Panthers were/are always the go to black extremist movement but when you actually read their stuff, especially considering the context it was written under, I dunno they always seemed pretty reasonable. __________________ [14:26] ManoftheRus: YOU GODDAMN SNEAKY DEE

04-27-2010, 02:27 AM	#50
Osterbaum The revolution will be memed! Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: FIN Posts: 5,967	Communist, black and (radical) activists at that. Oh my. __________________ D is for Dirty Commie!

04-27-2010, 02:06 AM	#49
Professor Smarmiarty Sent to the cornfield Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: K-space Posts: 9,758	No you see they were both communist AND they were black. It's like being Hitler AND the devil.