Pokemon Umbral Discussion 25: Pokegeddon Returns

[Geminex]

EDIT: Gem, in regards to your post, what's wrong with my post? Drac and I had a plan there posted earlier. 5 attackers for each of the 3 targets. There is plenty of focus fire.

Oh? Fair enough, I must've missed that.
I'll look at it in a second. BUT.
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Lemme put it this way:
These characters have sort-of featured in Omakes. AB cut the previous battle short, just so we could get to this one more quickly. AB said that these enemies would make one of our previous battles, probably our hardest battle to date (I'd say) look easy.
I do not think that AB would let us kill even one of them without heroic efforts. Much less three.
This is a game, people. Get into the mind of the GM.

Edit:

Also, I could've sworn AB said that Slayers could switch weapons whenever they wanted, Gem. So you should be able to switch to Swarm Bow, no problem.

Can you find said post? Because if so, then why the hell did he increase the Slayer limit to 6 weapons?

Also, their defensive ability is NOT proportional to our offense if we have to pile 3-4 Quad effective attacks to knock them out.

'fcourse it is. Considering the ease with which we can lay down quad-effective attacks, plus our numerical advantage. And that's just assuming that they go down after a few attacks, which I doubt.

[Dracorion]

Man, my plan involved five quad-effective attacks aimed at Gardenoir. That's goddamn heroic right there.

And Menarker, I'm pretty sure the reason the Shuckle in that video survived Earthquake is because it only takes neutral damage from Ground and because Legendaries suck.

Yes yes fine, they could change, but I think it's a liiiittle too much to assume that they'd change so much as to go from 690 to 900.

And I add slurs for color.

Originally Posted by Geminex

Can you find said post? Because if so, then why the hell did he increase the Slayer limit to 6 weapons?

Thinking back, I think it may have been before the BTS.

Hey AB, can Slayers still switch weapons whenever they want?

[Geminex]

Mollesk can definately take a hit before buffing and will take MUCH more when buffed.

He can't when he Power Tricks. A hit or two, maybe. But once he has high attack and comparativley low defense, he dies. I guarantee it.

Did that by having one attacker for focus fire and the other buffing up defensively, planning for long term if anything happens.

That's... not defensive. Not very much, anyway. Defensive is preventing damage to the team. What you're doing is preventing damage to yourself. It's a start, but it won't keep the rest of us alive when pokegeddon hit us with their signature techiques. Because you, all of you, you realize they have 100/100 rage? And we will die if even two or three of them get their techniques off, I guarantee it?

[Dracorion]

Originally Posted by Geminex

That's... not defensive. Not very much, anyway. Defensive is preventing damage to the team. What you're doing is preventing damage to yourself. It's a start, but it won't keep the rest of us alive when pokegeddon hit us with their signature techiques. Because you, all of you, you realize they have 100/100 rage? And we will die if even two or three of them get their techniques off, I guarantee it?

You're going to make me repost my plan, aren't you?

Here's my original plan:
THE PLANGardenoir: Impact's Siege Boomerang, Matthias' attack, Harliette's pokemons' attacks. Four 4x damage attacks.
Frossqueen: Sol-Leks' Overheat, Blaziken's Overheat, Pierce's Trainer Attack. Rachel's Pokemon can do Steel-type attacks for 2x damage. All in all, that's four 2x damage attacks and Pierce's trainer attack.
Pegidash: Hammond's Stone Edge, Tyranitar's Stone Edge, Mollesk's Rock Slide, Harliette's Mineral Shot. That's four 4x damage attacks.
Altarisect: Secondary target from Mollesk's Rock Slide. No matter.

That leaves Moon and Wilhelmina unassigned. Wilhelmina's Nether Shot can do 2x damage to Frossqueen. Moon's Lanturn can use Signal Beam for 4x damage on Gardenoir.

I can see Pegidash definitely down. Gardenoir probably. Frossqueen critically damaged. Keep in mind Moon still has an extra pokemon.

And here's Menarker's plan, which involves Mollesk not doing anything:
THE OTHER PLANGardenoir: Impact's Swarm Bow, Matthias' attack, Harliette's pokemon's bug type attacks. Moon's Lanturn's Signal Beam

Frossqueen: Sol-Leks' Overheat, Blaziken's Overheat, Rachel's pokemon's steel type attacks. Wilhelmina. Pierce's Trainer Attack.

Pegidash: Hammond's Stone Edge, Tyranitar's Stone Edge, Swampert's Waterfall, Harliette's Mineral Shot, Moon's Kingdra Hydro Pump

Originally Posted by Menarker

That's his designated purpose. He's supposed to be a wall, with merely passable offense unless he takes risks when he swaps to ultra powerful offense.

That doesn't help the rest of the team at all.

Originally Posted by Menarker

Well, assume 500 DEF and special defence which is the low end of benefical nature or high end of neutral nature later on in the story. (or even right now if Mollesk is assumed to have benefical nature),
The multipliers of each stage boost is as follows...
x1.5 (1 stage) Howl, Sharpen, Defense Curl
x2.0 (2 stage) Nasty Plot, Sword Dance. Mollesk using Cosmic Power.
x2.5 (3 stage) Supreme Upgrade
x3.0 (4 stage) Mollesk using a 2 stage booster buff technique.
x3.5 (5 stage)
x4.0 (6 stage) Belly Drum

If Mollesk was to have 500 DEF and SDEF, he would max out his DEF and SDEF stat with one cosmic power, due to it hitting 2.0 multiplier.

That's ridiculous. And wrong. So very, very wrong.

Originally Posted by Menarker

EDIT: Gem, do you want me to use Renny's protect ability? Or you think they aren't likely to use their technique first turn?

That would be nice, yeah. Though Pierce problably won't use it. He's saving up points for Hellfire.

[Geminex]

That's his designated purpose. He's supposed to be a wall, with merely passable offense unless he takes risks when he swaps to ultra powerful offense.

Then you made a bad choice when selecting stats. What use is a wall? Defensive mons, sure. But defensive in this game involves protecting your allies.

EDIT: Gem, do you want me to use Renny's protect ability? Or you think they aren't likely to use their technique first turn?

I'm... not sure. I was hoping people would give input on that, instead of insulting each other's mother and discussing psych-up.
Or, well, instead of discussing psych-up, anyway.

[Dracorion]

Gem, your mother is ugly.

I'm for Renny using his Co-Op, even if Pierce won't be spending RPs.

[Geminex]

Gem, your mother is ugly

Oh yeah? Well your face.

That's ridiculous. And wrong. So very, very wrong.

How so? It was clear from the beginnig that Mollesk'd have excessive defense. And hey, look on the bright side: At least the rules prevent Renny from getting the full 4x boost! 2x is the best he can do, probably. Unless he intentionally micro-manages mollesk's stats so that defense is permanently at around 490, so he can get up to a 3x buff. But he won't do that. Because he knows that if he does, I will make a point that Mollesk is over-specialized and demand that Mollesk's stats be rearranged so no stat is under 50. And Drac will support me. And then Mollesk might lose some of its precious defense, or HP. That wouldn't be nice, would it?

[Dracorion]

Except, y'know, the 2x boost brings it damn near to a 1000. And the cap is 999, I think.

Anyway. Menarker, I apologize. I got kinda sucked up into the whole insulting thing, probably because I could see it was getting to you.

... You big baby.

Know that I meant no ill will, I was just screwin' with you. But yeah, I apologize.

AHEM NOW ONTO IMPORTANT MATTERS OKAY.

Originally Posted by Menarker

Anyhow, my version of the plan has 5 quad effective attacks on Gardenoir, 5 Super effective (and Pierce trainer attack) on Frolass, and 3 Quad effective and 2 super effective on Pegidash.

Hey, my plan had all that. Y'know, at the end.

Originally Posted by Menarker

As compared to Pierce's currently displayed plan with less than those, I'd say stick with what I got. (My plan was a retouched version of his, so I don't know why he's passing it off as garbage.)

See above. Dracorion? Huge jerk.

[Geminex]

Since Def and Special Def maxes out at 999 with stage boost modifers, maxing out sooner is better. (and wastes less time for the party.)

Ah, that's how we're playing it? Allright then, I agree with that.

As for our plan...
Lemme rethink it, M'kay? I really wanted to use the first turn to gather info, to see what our opponents are vulnerable to, whether they even have weaknesses, if they can be stunned, flinched status-ed. These are unknown enemies, and attacking them full-on isn't smart. But we'll see.

[Geminex]

Ok... let's look at it this way: Which of our fighters can we least afford to lose? Like, how many are there that'd weaken us drastically if they died? Are there any?

Also, which enforcers do we all have? I have Kurika, Pierce has Milsha. If we're gonna let enforcers take the hit, I'd like to see how much damage they can do.

Finally, which attack types do we really want to field? I think bug is most important, then ice, then rock.

We can probably get quite a but of bug.
And Impact has the LH launcher, that's a lot of ice damage. Plus, we have quite a few icebeams in our arsenal.
Rock, Impact couldn't help there, but others could.

Eh, lemme check how much of each is avalaible. I'll count pokemon attacks as 2, STAB-ed pokemon attacks as 3, and Slayer attacks as 4 and 6 respectively.

This is only for what we have on the field now (and the numbers are bug/ice/rock):

Renny: 0/2/3 (Whereas the 3 only apply if Mollesk actually attacks)
Pierce: Not sure what attacks, assuming that he has, like, 2 ice, 3 rock, so 0/2/3
Charlotte: 0/2/3
Impact: 0/6/0 (Unless AB lets him switch weapons, which I doubt, however)
Matt: Can't access bulbapedia, but considering his possible pokeshifts, I'd imagine it's 3/2/0, he can field 3/0/0 or 0/2/0)
Rachel: 0/4/3 (can field 0/4/0 or 0/2/3)
Harliette: 9/2/4 (can field 6/0/4 or 3/2/4)
Wilhelmina: 0/0/0
Moon: 0/6/0 (can field 0/4/0)

That doesn't factor in the attack stats, but those should even out.
Anyway... assuming we field things so we get the highest possible total, we have...

Bug: 9
Ice: 16
Rock:16

I say we focus fire on Ice and Rock. Screw Gardenoir, for now. Oh yeah. Screw her.
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Ahem. We determine the 2 or 3 most vulnerable allies, try to protect them however we can.

I think we might be able to kill two of them with focus fire. We could also throw some status effects their way.
Dammit, Menarker. Your technique is too expensive.