Brians Superman Post

[Professor Smarmiarty]

Originally Posted by Odjn

Basically this. Superman is like "Killing is wrong ever" and he constantly keeps saying that despite, you know, being wrong.

He's got a pretty stellar track record. It's hard to argue with a guy who has saved reality multiple times and saved babies while doing it. I would say he isp pretty much contiually proven correct.

[Odjn]

Originally Posted by Smarty McBarrelpants

He's got a pretty stellar track record. It's hard to argue with a guy who has saved reality multiple times and saved babies while doing it. I would say he isp pretty much contiually proven correct.

Hey let's kill the Joker.

HEY LOOK THE JOKER ISN'T KILLING PEOPLE ANYMORE.

Hey look Maxwell Lord turned like, the most powerful superhuman into his telepathic slave? Let's kill him.

WOOP WORLD SAVED.

Also a great deal of the things his morality solves are contrived anyway so that he can solve it without killing or doing anything morally dubious.

[Fifthfiend]

I mean we already did this on the fartzorarium but that never happened so I'll resay it here.

Originally Posted by Odjn

Also a great deal of the things his morality solves are contrived anyway so that he can solve it without killing or doing anything morally dubious.

You're making an argument against contrivance which relies entirely on contrivance, because the biggest, dumbest, most relentless contrivance of superhero comics is that you put people in a high security prison, and then of the people in that prison, any of them can just walk out of it any time he wants, because ~lolz~.

There's nothing wrong with Superman's morality because in 'non-contrived' comics he just puts people in jail and they stay there, and in 'contrived' comics people escape death as easily as jail, because characters coming back has nothing to do with Superman's (or Batman's) morality and everything to do with the fact that writers want to write comics about Lex Luthor and the Joker.

If everything in comics is contrived - which it is - then the only differences is whether your contrivances serve the characters or break them, and contrivances which contrive to have Superman adhere to his perfectly reasonable morality do the former, and contrivances which throw that out in order to accomplish, ultimately, nothing different than if he did adhere to his morality, don't.

EDIT It's worth noting that every version of "Superman except he also murders" has not-incidentally been terrible, except for Apollo and that was only because of the heartwarming lulzy assfucking.

[Odjn]

Originally Posted by Fifthfiend

I mean we already did this on the fartzorarium but that never happened so I'll resay it here.



You're making an argument against contrivance which relies entirely on contrivance, because the biggest, dumbest, most relentless contrivance of superhero comics is that you put people in a high security prison, and then of the people in that prison, any of them can just walk out of it any time he wants, because ~lolz~.

There's nothing wrong with Superman's morality because in 'non-contrived' comics he just puts people in jail and they stay there, and in 'contrived' comics people escape death as easily as jail, because characters coming back has nothing to do with Superman's (or Batman's) morality and everything to do with the fact that writers want to write comics about Lex Luthor and the Joker.

If everything in comics is contrived - which it is - then the only differences is whether your contrivances serve the characters or break them, and contrivances which contrive to have Superman adhere to his perfectly reasonable morality do the former, and contrivances which throw that out in order to accomplish, ultimately, nothing different than if he did adhere to his morality, don't.

EDIT It's worth noting that every version of "Superman except he also murders" has not-incidentally been terrible, except for Apollo and that was only because of the heartwarming lulzy assfucking.

That's what Black Adam is and we love him for it.