Pokemon Umbral Discussion 33 again: Hijacked!

[Geminex]

[QUOTE=Dracorion;1060782]

No, not really. I'm not doing that anymore.

Y'know, unless you've suddenly decided you're okay with it and won't hold it against me in any way.

Pierce giving orders? Why wouldn't I? It's part of our deal!
Every second turn, more or less. Sure, there's times when I'm proud of a plan I came up with, and want Impact to give orders yourself, but up until your sidequest, you're entitled to give quite a few orders. Impact may not be very happy with it, but unless I just spent an hour working out when to have whom attack during which weather condition, (or something similar), you're free to give orders about as frequently as Impact.



Not necessarily.

I mean, you're telling me that the great genius Impact or awesome smart Geminex couldn't possible save the world and still uphold some virtue while doing it?

If it's possible to save the world and uphold virtue, Impact will do so. But if he thinks that there's a choice between virtue and world-saving, he will, without hesitation, go for world-saving.

You know, the Nietzche thought it would serve the greater good to kill off all the impure ones. Of course, you already said you're not going to go about "cleansing", but that's not the point I'm trying to make.

Well, yes. But Nietzshe's postulate was based on the bullshit justification that the human race would become more pure and therefor stronger. Whereas Imact's postulate of 'screw ethics, I'm saving the world!' would be based on the less-bullshit justification that the world would not be a very fun place if it was overrun by masses of Ruin Pokemon.

Look, sure, maybe it's possible to save the world and save puppies. But this is a pretty big task ahead of us. Maybe it isn't. Maybe saving puppies now will take precious time and resources, time and resources that we'd need later. Is that a risk we can take? I don't think it is.

That includes always saving the lives of the world at large and everyone around you.

What if you, quite simply, can't?

And outside of combat? He's still a giant dick.

Oh come on. Like when? Before mission 1 he was super-civilised. Mission 2 as well. Hell, after mission two he even started a trend! "Collect trophies from defeated Ruin Generals". He wasn't very courteous before Renny's sidequest, but can you fucking blame him? And hell, he was nice during the party, he let Pierce keep the dragon slave, what more do you want?

Seriously, when has he been a giant dick?

So if Renny or Pierce became leader, you wouldn't give Menarker or myself any help with the strategy, thereby screwing yourself over when Impact dies via lousy plans?

My philosophy is as follows: Any death is worth dying, as long as you can die it, saying 'I told you so'.
And hell, even if it did come that far, I'd wait until we had almost lost, until we were at the edge of the abyss, the brink of collapse, and then I'd burst out with the one, singular plan that could still save us and Impact would be this huge fucking hero, and then I'd be all like WHO'S THE LEADER NOW, BITCH?



The point that Menarker's making is, I think, that if Renny became leader and Impact were to be wholly unsupportive, Impact would come off as a two-faced whore because when he's leader how dare someone try to give an opinion despite the fact that Renny and Pierce are actually being supportive anyway.

Like I said. Wholly unsupportive? No. Subtle sabotage? Fuck yeah.
And allright, allright, you've been under-appreciated. Impact will generously praise everyone when the battle's done. He might even hand out a few hugs. Won't that be nice?

Hey, I admitted I was wrong and it's not going to happen anymore so stop talking about it like it's still going on.

Like I said, see above. It's your right to give orders. Unless the orders are really fucking good and I want to credit them to Impact, in which case you can go twice next time.

Just disproving your original point that Renny hasn't have a good degree of significant leadership experience.

My original point was actually that Impact makes less mistakes than Renny, but ok, let's just finish this.



What Drac said above about Impact looking twofaced if he doesn't outwardly support Renny is pretty much what I think is the situation too.
Impact might not obey Renny out of his own free will (at least with any sort of eagerness), but if Rayleen declares that Renny is leader for the mission, you can be sure that fighting against Renny's leadership without a very convincing reason during a mission is going to detract from Impact's ability to maintain influence or crediblity, whether it is Rayleen or the other team-mates thinking that Impact is too stubbornly looking at Renny's youthfulness to see whatever talents or potential he has, or unwillingness/inability to follow orders or chains of commands as issued from their boss or such like that. Of course, nothing stopping Impact from being disgruntled about the entire thing when everyone is not looking.

Dude. Like I said, subtlety. I'd get an opportunity or seven, I'm sure, to do anything from making Renny look immature, to making him look stupid to making him look like he just got hit in the forehead with a 120 mm artillery round.

Clearly, one of the better ways to decide that is to have some sort of Danger Room simulator event in the RP
1: A mission is given, listing some of the details and expections as per the debriefing.
2: Renny and Drac and Charlotte choose their pokemon movelists so as to suit the mission or so.
3: All the PCs are given the chance at "leadership" in the simulator, all are given the same resources/allies. The same pokemons movesets, the same stamina. Assume total obedience.
4: All posts are PMed to AB regarding the tactics of their own battle.
5: We find out how decently everyone fares. How fast things are completed, how many casualities or wounded, how many close calls or openings, and that sort of thing. :3

A contest? Sure, if AB's ok with it.
Question is...
what are the stakes?

The immediate idea would be leadership...
But, whelp, Impact's leader already. All I'd be gaining is that you'd shut up about it, and with all due respect to your nagging, that just isn't enough.
Because, if I lose (not that that's likely, but it's certainly possible), whelp, goodbye Impact, hello Team Leader Renny!
That's not a good deal, for me.

Let me... make a better one.
If I lose, Renny, Pierce and Impact are named tacticians, on equal footing. They each make suggestions to Rayleen (or some other NPC), who pieces together the plan. The suggestions that they'll make are the suggestions we'll individually make OOC, the final plan that Rayleen will come up with is the one that we'll have decided upon.

If I win... whelp, suggest me something. I've got two things in mind, but I'd like to see what you come up with while I consider how to be phrase my favorite.

Mind you, I'm of half a mind to say 'screw it' and just get together with Bard to help Charlotte win. God, that'd be hilarious.