Pokemon Umbral Discussion 36: Questions Are Overrated - Page 4

Dracorion · 08-12-2010, 07:10 PM

More seriously than if it came from Charlotte.

Bard The 5th LW · 08-12-2010, 07:20 PM

Charlotte shot Moon in the first mission. She has also expressed a willingness to kill even children several times.

Keep in mind, she shot at Shannon because she didn't get taken seriously. Impact saw it.

And I'm sure if it came down to it, she could retaliate with something besides violence.

Dracorion · 08-12-2010, 07:48 PM

The gun in question came from Impact in the first place.

But I'm pretty sure Impact is sneaky enough to steal the gun away from Charlotte, not to mention the shotgun, prior to a mission so she can't just shoot him.

And this is Impact. You can't possibly come up with a cunning enough plot for vengeance that he couldn't figure out.

Bard The 5th LW · 08-12-2010, 07:52 PM

Since when did you respect Impact?

Dracorion · 08-12-2010, 07:55 PM

Since it gets me to prove Pierce is a better leader than Charlotte.

Geminex · 08-13-2010, 06:31 AM

Oh SNAP.
...
Wait a minute...

Also, dude. This isn't about better leader, worse leader. If this was about having the best leader, I never would have made this deal and Impact would keep his position. So hard. You wouldn't believe how hard he'd keep it.

I want Charlotte for a leader. It is part of the concession you have to make to me in return for concessions I will make to you. That is what is called a compromise. Of course, I've made arguments for why Charlotte would be a good leader, even tried to argue that she'd be better (and I think she is best suited, for the purposes of this deal, since, like I said, neutral ground). But I did so less because I have any duty to prove, but to persuade you to agree to this deal.

Saying that I do have a duty to provide sufficient proof that Charlotte would be a better leader than Pierce, and you'll refuse the deal otherwise...

Well, perhaps you're right in saying that you haven't been unreasonable so far. Probably, in fact. But refusing on those grounds? I'm not so sure about that. I have made you a fair offer. Modify it, if you will. I might be willing to make a few smaller compromises. Depends on what else you want. So make me an offer. But please, cease this unimaginative rejection of my every attempt at finally bringing this infernal business to an end.

Dracorion · 08-13-2010, 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Geminex

Also, dude. This isn't about better leader, worse leader. If this was about having the best leader, I never would have made this deal and Impact would keep his position. So hard. You wouldn't believe how hard he'd keep it.

I don't need to know about the state of Impact's penis, thanks.

Technically it should be about who can be the better leader if we shaft Impact out of the position.

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Originally Posted by Geminex

I want Charlotte for a leader. It is part of the concession you have to make to me in return for concessions I will make to you. That is what is called a compromise. Of course, I've made arguments for why Charlotte would be a good leader, even tried to argue that she'd be better (and I think she is best suited, for the purposes of this deal, since, like I said, neutral ground). But I did so less because I have any duty to prove, but to persuade you to agree to this deal.

This deal doesn't encompass every possible thing that might happen in the future. Even if Charlotte is best suited "for the purposes of this deal" or whatever, there are likely to be several other occurrences in the future that she's not best suited for.

And I thought you said you would sweeten up the deal more if I told you how Pierce is going to change after his sidequest? You can talk about concessions all you want after you do that.

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Originally Posted by Geminex

Saying that I do have a duty to provide sufficient proof that Charlotte would be a better leader than Pierce, and you'll refuse the deal otherwise...

I've already agreed to the overall deal, whether the leader is Charlotte or Pierce.

First I asked you to tell me why Charlotte was a better leader. Then you proposed your little mini-deal where you eliminate my moderate favor if I vote for Charlotte, to which I demanded that you prove Charlotte's suitability.

You could still not prove Charlotte's suitability and I'd still owe you a moderate favor, of course. Though you'd still have to come up with some other argument to convince me to vote for her.

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Originally Posted by Geminex

Well, perhaps you're right in saying that you haven't been unreasonable so far. Probably, in fact. But refusing on those grounds? I'm not so sure about that. I have made you a fair offer. Modify it, if you will. I might be willing to make a few smaller compromises. Depends on what else you want. So make me an offer. But please, cease this unimaginative rejection of my every attempt at finally bringing this infernal business to an end.

Oh come on. We're almost done with it anyway, we're just ironing out one last annoying detail.

As for how to end it... well, you could just concede that Pierce should be leader.

But on to serious suggestions now... umm, you could declare an ultimatum. Though of course, that would probably push me to reject. This whole thing is already one big ultimatum anyway; you practically forced a choice that wasn't really a choice down our throats.

I'm not saying I'm going to reject, of course. I'm saying I don't like it, and I am allowed to so don't you dare do that thing where you get all pissy and write up a huge-assed threatening post. I am not rejecting the deal.

Anyway, another alternative: I'm asking, and only asking this time, that you prove to me that Charlotte is a better leader.

You could also make a brilliant, heavily detailed argument that perfectly outlines how I'm only doing this to put Pierce in a leadership position, rather than it being about who the best leader is in the absence of Impact like I've been telling myself. Then I'd have no choice but to concede.

Or you could just call the deal off forever. I'd be left kicking myself, not to mention everyobe else would be kicking me for depriving them of a sweet deal.

Man, I'm trying to be reasonable here. I have a certain opinion and I believe I'm right in that opinion. I'm asking you to prove me wrong if you can. We both have stances and we both believe we're right. That's the way discussions go, man.

Bard The 5th LW · 08-14-2010, 01:51 AM

Well I have a Vriska Avatar so Nyeh!

I am superior to all of you.

Astral Harmony · 08-14-2010, 07:00 AM

I plan to have the RP post finished Monday night. Tomorrow's my duty day and I'll more or less spend the day working on the sprite comic if I can get a good idea by then. Not sure what it'll be about, but I think it'll be an interview of the PCs.

I expect a beautifully witty flame war of how I misinterpreted your character's personalities almost immediately after I post it.

Menarker · 08-14-2010, 09:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Geminex

Menarker: I assume that your lack of reply is to be interpreted as agreement.

No, it should be interpreted as the fact that since I'm still on vacation, I might have been terribly busy.

I'll however more or less hold to the agreement. I wasn't in total disagreement as more on concerned on the "fine print" that one player (You) would be more or less deciding the standards of power of techniques.

Keep in mind however, since from what I'm grasping of this deal, it's freeing me from my obligation of supporting Impact as leader (and are you still obligated to the agreements you made to me, since you got leadership support during the duration of the agreement?)... and a good thing too since in-RP Renny will not be forgiving Impact for directing the laser in Togekiss's direction. That's going to send his trust rating into a tailspin.

Anyhow, hoping everyone is doing well. Be back in a few days.

08-12-2010, 07:10 PM	#31
Dracorion Moves Like Jagger, Kupo! Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: To the south, a little to the left... Or to the right. Posts: 4,910	More seriously than if it came from Charlotte. __________________ Dracorion's dumbass color is Royal Blue. If you see that color, you better run the fuck away.

08-12-2010, 07:48 PM	#33
Dracorion Moves Like Jagger, Kupo! Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: To the south, a little to the left... Or to the right. Posts: 4,910	The gun in question came from Impact in the first place. But I'm pretty sure Impact is sneaky enough to steal the gun away from Charlotte, not to mention the shotgun, prior to a mission so she can't just shoot him. And this is Impact. You can't possibly come up with a cunning enough plot for vengeance that he couldn't figure out. __________________ Dracorion's dumbass color is Royal Blue. If you see that color, you better run the fuck away.

08-12-2010, 07:55 PM	#35
Dracorion Moves Like Jagger, Kupo! Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: To the south, a little to the left... Or to the right. Posts: 4,910	Since it gets me to prove Pierce is a better leader than Charlotte. __________________ Dracorion's dumbass color is Royal Blue. If you see that color, you better run the fuck away.

08-12-2010, 07:20 PM	#32
Bard The 5th LW Feelin' Super! Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 4,191	Charlotte shot Moon in the first mission. She has also expressed a willingness to kill even children several times. Keep in mind, she shot at Shannon *because* she didn't get taken seriously. Impact saw it. And I'm sure if it came down to it, she could retaliate with something besides violence.

08-12-2010, 07:52 PM	#34
Bard The 5th LW Feelin' Super! Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 4,191	Since when did you respect Impact?

08-13-2010, 06:31 AM	#36
Geminex SOM3WH3R3 Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 4,606	Oh SNAP. ... Wait a minute... Also, dude. This isn't about better leader, worse leader. If this was about having the best leader, I never would have made this deal and Impact would keep his position. So hard. You wouldn't believe how hard he'd keep it. I want Charlotte for a leader. It is part of the concession you have to make to me in return for concessions I will make to you. That is what is called a compromise. Of course, I've made arguments for why Charlotte would be a good leader, even tried to argue that she'd be better (and I think she is best suited, for the purposes of this deal, since, like I said, neutral ground). But I did so less because I have any duty to prove, but to persuade you to agree to this deal. Saying that I do have a duty to provide sufficient proof that Charlotte would be a better leader than Pierce, and you'll refuse the deal otherwise... Well, perhaps you're right in saying that you haven't been unreasonable so far. Probably, in fact. But refusing on those grounds? I'm not so sure about that. I have made you a fair offer. Modify it, if you will. I might be willing to make a few smaller compromises. Depends on what else you want. So make me an offer. But please, cease this unimaginative rejection of my every attempt at finally bringing this infernal business to an end.

08-14-2010, 01:51 AM	#38
Bard The 5th LW Feelin' Super! Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 4,191	Well I have a Vriska Avatar so Nyeh! I am superior to all of you.

08-14-2010, 07:00 AM	#39
Astral Harmony Don't Hate Me 'Cause I'm Moe Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Harmonial Sanctum Posts: 6,798	I plan to have the RP post finished Monday night. Tomorrow's my duty day and I'll more or less spend the day working on the sprite comic if I can get a good idea by then. Not sure what it'll be about, but I think it'll be an interview of the PCs. I expect a beautifully witty flame war of how I misinterpreted your character's personalities almost immediately after I post it.