PASS - People Against Straight Sex

[Fifthfiend]

Originally Posted by Token

Yeah, that's not even a little what I said. The point I was trying to make was that being a dick to him won't make him stop being a dick. I've dealt with homophobes before, and demeaning them just makes them feel more secure in thinking that gays don't deserve rights. I'm not sure how to break through to them, but this isn't the way.

Guess what, everyone everywhere gets defensive when their shitty irrational views are challeneged, even when they're challenged with the most maximum levels of reasonabilitude and ratiomanality, because people don't like having their shitty irrational views challenged. The only way to not have them get all defensive is to never challenge them about it, which is a good way to ensure that lots of people keep going around being maximum 100% secure in their shitty irrational views. The only way to actually get past that defensiveness that is to, you know, keep right challenging them no matter how defensive they get about it, in whichever way, and maybe eventually one way or another to get through. Mockery is just as valid a tool of persuasion and just as likely to succeed as any other way to do it and that isn't gonna change because you decide to jump on people's nuts about it because you happen to dislike that kind of thing or because you've decided there has to be One True Way to convince everybody of anything or whatever your deal is here.

EDIT:

As far as my charactization of your previous post... man, right here in this second post

Originally Posted by Token

being a dick to him won't make him stop being a dick.

you are directly equivocating making prejudiced and nonsensical remarks about gay people, as being the same in kind as... responding with incredulity and mockery to prejudiced and nonsensical remarks about gay people. Which is to say, exactly what I characterized your earlier post as being.

EDIT:

Just so it is completely clear, I am sure that some people with prejudiced views will in fact be totally convinced of the wrongness of their views by the right rational, reasoned argument! Just as I am sure that other such people will be convinced by just the right style of viciously pointed mockery, while yet other people will only be convinced by some prolonged combination of the two. But the only real way to work it out is to make whichever kind of argument you think should be made to the people who need confronting about their prejudiced views and seeing if it works, not jumping on people who AGREE with you because you've decided their way is the False Path, and yours the Way of Light and Truth.

[Token]

Originally Posted by Fifthfiend

Just so it is completely clear, I am sure that some people with prejudiced views will in fact be totally convinced of the wrongness of their views by the right rational, reasoned argument! Just as I am sure that other such people will be convinced by just the right style of viciously pointed mockery, while yet other people will only be convinced by some prolonged combination of the two. But the only real way to work it out is to make whichever kind of argument you think should be made to the people who need confronting about their prejudiced views and seeing if it works, not jumping on people who AGREE with you because you've decided their way is the False Path, and yours the Way of Light and Truth.

Fair enough. I suppose that was hypocritical of me.

[Aldurin]

Originally Posted by Geminex

No, no, you've got it all wrong, Fifth. Token's right. If we ever want to get him to turn to THE DARK SIDE and support OUR CAUSE, insults will never be enough.

It's obvious what must happen.
We must seduce him.
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VOLUNTEERS?

Originally Posted by Geminex

Well, I meant EE, but that'd be fun as well.

I was thinking "I'll stop posting as we're all just brick walls throwing lettuce at each other and I can't make this go anywhere. Maybe I'll just see what happens." Now the topic has mutated to EE psychology 101. I don't even study that.

And my final piece about the original issue that hopefully won't sound homophobic. If everyone did follow this and guys and girls only dated people that could enter the same public restroom, where would babies come from?

[Kim]

Originally Posted by EvilEarl

If everyone did follow this and guys and girls only dated people that could enter the same public restroom, where would babies come from?

HRRNGH

Was hoping you had finally caught on to what PASS is about, but I guess I better explain it.

Essentially, it's satire. Use the same arguments and ideas that are constantly used for why homosexuality is bad to treat heterosexuality like a negative thing. It's throwing their own rhetoric in their faces. That's why you see straight people have joined the group, they know they aren't the targets of the group's scorn, that the group doesn't actually believe what it argues, etc.

[Aldurin]

Originally Posted by NonCon

HRRNGH

Was hoping you had finally caught on to what PASS is about, but I guess I better explain it.

Essentially, it's satire. Use the same arguments and ideas that are constantly used for why homosexuality is bad to treat heterosexuality like a negative thing. It's throwing their own rhetoric in their faces. That's why you see straight people have joined the group, they know they aren't the targets of the group's scorn, that the group doesn't actually believe what it argues, etc.

I was hoping it was this way, just thought I would get an "EE don't be stupid" thread again for saying it.

[Funka Genocide]

Originally Posted by EvilEarl

I was hoping it was this way, just thought I would get an "EE don't be stupid" thread again for saying it.

EE don't be stupid.

[Grimpond]

Originally Posted by Funka Genocide

EE don't be stupid. Again.

FTFY

[stefan]

Originally Posted by EvilEarl

I was hoping it was this way, just thought I would get an "EE don't be stupid" thread again for saying it.

I assure you, by this point no thread is necessary.

[The Sevenshot Kid]

Originally Posted by EvilEarl

I was hoping it was this way, just thought I would get an "EE don't be stupid" thread again for saying it.

Dude. That's pretty gay.

[Professor Smarmiarty]

Originally Posted by EvilEarl

And my final piece about the original issue that hopefully won't sound homophobic. If everyone did follow this and guys and girls only dated people that could enter the same public restroom, where would babies come from?

I'm not even sure this is an issue. Like let's see the human race stopped breeding- ok the last generation would hae a rough time when they got old with no young people to runn things but then they dead. Who cares anymore.
In short babies are stupid and slavish shackling to biological urges reminiscient of cavemen gruntings.