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And guns are only dangerous if you misuse them. . But people will and you have to take that into account.
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I'd say it's a case of the dog breed just being incredibly aggressive, and people who ignore that fact because "my little precious would never do such a thing" are irresponsible. If you willingly adopt a member of a breed that is legendarily aggressive and territorial, you had better be fucking prepared to reign it in once in a while. Ignoring the problem because "oh it's a stereotype and it's not fair to generalize" is bullshit. This particular stereotype is there for a reason. |
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That doesn't invalidate any part of my point at all. I am not advocating ignoring anything about dog behavior at all, I am calling that generalizing and stereotyping IS BULLSHIT, because the standard breed of Pit Bull terriers should not be exhibiting the level of aggression and instability that has been tagged on to them. I feel those stereotypes exist for the EXACT reasons I stated
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07-10-2011, 04:02 PM
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I have to agree with Marc. I had a canvassing job for the ACLU, which means I go door to door asking for money. Of the hundreds of dogs I met, only one ever jumped on me. It was a Lab, and it wasn't doing it out of aggression. It was how it played. Granted if I was a smaller person I would have been knocked down, but it was hardly a threat. It wouldn't leave it's yard. And this was a pretty populated area, but it would only come to you once you entered it's territory.
Dogs do pick favorites and they mimic the behavior of the humans that they like the best. It really is a case of blame the person, not the dog. Saying certain breeds are more violent is just like saying certain humans are more violent than others. It all depends on how you are raised and your environment. Dogs that were bred to be guard dogs may not have the personality to be a guard dog. Being a guard dog means that they were bred to have the physical attributes of a guard dog, not that they themselves are guard dogs. I have been around a lot of dogs. I have seen poodles be more protective than Huskies. Granted that is anecdotal, but is no less relevant. Cats are just judgmental. Surprisingly one of the best pets to own are guinea pigs. I got my grandfathers after he passed away. The little dude would sneak out of his cage and follow me around. It was pretty funny when he climbed on top of our rottweiler mix named Chewbacca. Chewie would just sniff him then lay back down. |
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Man, this thread is TL;DR
Supposing pitbulls don't have personalities significantly different from other breeds- supposing that being raised by kind humans is enough to repress aggressive traits- isn't it still true that, due to their sheer muscularity and powerful jaws, they should be handled very carefully, especially around humans that are not their owners? While most animals that have been raised properly and acclimated to humans will not be overly aggressive for no reason, it is apparent in ALL breeds that aggression towards humans is possible, and sometimes unpredictably. The difference is smaller breeds are easier to control even if they go berserk. Not sure if there's really a point re-hashing that animals can and are and continue to be bred for specific personality traits. It's been going on since humans domesticated animals. Edit: LOL nature vs. nurture debate. Quote:
This is going to be opening a can of worms, but... While your environment does have a significant impact on your overall disposition, genetics can manifest itself in your personality. Such as in separated twin studies. Your brain is an organ after all, it's not separate from your body.** *Talking about INDIVIDUALS here, not GROUPS of people. **And yes I know this is a dangerous argument when it comes to people because its used to justify immoral treatment of various groups. I'm not interested in starting that debate and I am strongly opposed to the usage of this argument when its about people. Animals are different, though. Last edited by pochercoaster; 07-10-2011 at 04:28 PM. |
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07-10-2011, 04:22 PM
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Tell me why the "standard breed" shouldn't be showing the amount of aggression that they're attributed with. Pitbulls were trained, historically, to be fighting dogs. That meant that people took the angriest, skullfuckingest dogs around, bred them together, and then took the most ferocious of their offspring and bred THEM together. It's generation after generation of the most terrifying little monsters around, selected to be the most eager and most capable of fighting if anything approaching an appropriate situation arises. Pitbulls are ABSOLUTELY bred with that concept in mind because if they weren't then they PROBABLY WOULDN'T EXIST. What I agree with is the fact that domestic animals shouldn't exhibit those sorts of hostile tendencies. What I disagree with is the idea that pitbulls, as animals that can be kept domestically, will necessarily NOT display those habits. You're making the argument that because they are domestic, they won't be violent. The rest of the thread is making the argument that because they are violent, PEOPLE SHOULD BE DOING A BETTER JOB OF KEEPING THEM GODDAMN DOMESTIC. You're ignoring the evidence in favor of your ideals. Prove me wrong or your side of the argument has zero merit. EDIT: Like, part of your argument is that if they're "bred properly" then they won't do that shit. That's flat-out nonsense. They've been bred for their fighting instinct for centuries. If they're bred properly, they WILL do that shit, or at least they're more inclined to. Yes, it's true that the vast majority of domestic animals will be angelic little companions for their entire lives. But to ignore the fact that PBTs are severely, SEVERELY more inclined toward violence than other breeds is to invite disaster, and if you pick one up then you'd best be fucking prepared for them to be one of the violent exceptions. Last edited by Kerensky287; 07-10-2011 at 04:32 PM. |
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I don't think I can prove your opinion wrong so LOL MY OPINION IS WITHOUT MERIT LOL.
Love how you just ignore everything I have presented for my viewpoint, but I am the one just ignoring everything you have to say. Classy.
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07-10-2011, 05:13 PM
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Jon Stewart is so ashamed of you right now, Kerensky.
You just don't even know.
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