Haggar: Better than Zangief, or WAY better than Zangief?

BitVyper · 09-08-2011, 12:43 PM

Lets look at the facts here:

Zangief:

- Communist
- Basically a bruiser
- Has worked for terrorists
- Only ever fights one guy at a time
- Claims to have wrestled bears. Probably just drunk.
- Kind of a shitty dancer

Haggar:

- Believes in freedom
- Has a career
- Refuses bribes and blackmail attempts
- Is a political figure but still has integrity
- Runs a small business in his retirement
- Wears pants
- Became mayor of a city on the verge of collapse and ended the gang rule almost single-handedly
- Photographic evidence proves he has piledrived a shark
- Can fight for more than 90 seconds.

Jagos · 09-08-2011, 12:46 PM

Welcome, friends. I hope you're well,
I bid you join me for a spell,
Sit by, pipe down and be regaled,
With our beloved city's tale.

I'll tell you through my weak narration,
Of how it met with its salvation,
From Mad Gear's grip its neck was freed,
By one man's most extraordinary deeds...

Professor Smarmiarty · 09-08-2011, 12:52 PM

http://capcom.wikia.com/wiki/Zangief
Zangief is 214 cm 158kg

http://capcom.wikia.com/wiki/Mike_Haggar
Haggar is 202 121 kg.

They have nearly exactly the same fighting stye so the keydifference is height and strength which give Zangief a devastating advantage.

Also Zangief is 13 years younger than Haggar and doesn't waste his time being mayor instead he trains constantly.

Also he's sometime a robot..

BitVyper · 09-08-2011, 01:05 PM

Oh look, Smarty sides with the commie. Are you surprised? I'm not surprised.

The size difference is just further evidence that Haggar is better. Zangief is naturally huge, and oh look, all he does in life is abuse that. You know what they call that? a BULLY. Sure, Haggar COULD have continued his sports career, but he has an actual brain, and the personal drive to use it. And not just use it, but use it for the betterment of his fellow man. To drive back the night, so that we don't have to live in fear of monsters in the dark. You know what they call THAT? A HERO.

Aerozord · 09-08-2011, 01:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BitVyper

Lets look at the facts here:

Zangief:

- Communist
- Basically a bruiser
- Has worked for terrorists
- Only ever fights one guy at a time
- Claims to have wrestled bears. Probably just drunk.
- Kind of a shitty dancer

did you actually try to pass "probably drunk" as a drawback?

**Revising Ocelot** · 09-08-2011, 01:11 PM

Depends on the character. For someone like the Demoman, being drunk is definitely an advantage. Most other people... not so much.

BitVyper · 09-08-2011, 01:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aerozord

did you actually try to pass "probably drunk" as a drawback?

I'm just saying that bear story only seems to come out after he's downed quite a bit of vodka.

Professor Smarmiarty · 09-08-2011, 02:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BitVyper

Oh look, Smarty sides with the commie. Are you surprised? I'm not surprised.

The size difference is just further evidence that Haggar is better. Zangief is naturally huge, and oh look, all he does in life is abuse that. You know what they call that? a BULLY. Sure, Haggar COULD have continued his sports career, but he has an actual brain, and the personal drive to use it. And not just use it, but use it for the betterment of his fellow man. To drive back the night, so that we don't have to live in fear of monsters in the dark. You know what they call THAT? A HERO.

Because he's too weak to last in the world of fighting. He had to retire and push papers, the only thing his weak muscles can hande.

BitVyper · 09-08-2011, 02:36 PM

Zangief only fights people a lot smaller than him, and he still only does a little bit more damage. Haggar fights guys who are way bigger than him and kicks their asses. Pound for pound, Haggar is clearly the stronger guy. It also proves that Haggar makes better use of his weight, which makes sense, since Zangief is, as I've indicated, just a dumbass bruiser who can't do anything but depend on his muscle.

Professor Smarmiarty · 09-08-2011, 03:12 PM

It's not Zangiefs fault that he's bigger than everyone else. Pound for pound is meaningless- pound for pound bruce lee could out grapple wrestle Zangief. What we are talking about is actuality and in that case Zangief is clearly victorious. Both fighters use a grappling style where the stronger fighter will be victorious.

Your claim that Haggar is stronger is ridicuous. Haggar fights random street thugs. Zangief fights the 10 strongest dudes in the world. Of course Haggar is going to dominate them. Zangief would dominate them too. But Zangief also throws around the world's greatest fighters. His sheer weight increase wil give him the strength advantage.

And shit, Zangief dominates bears. I'd ike to see Haggar do that.

09-08-2011, 12:43 PM	#1
BitVyper History's Strongest Dilettante Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Arcadia Posts: 6,662	Haggar: Better than Zangief, or WAY better than Zangief? Lets look at the facts here: Zangief: - Communist - Basically a bruiser - Has worked for terrorists - Only ever fights one guy at a time - Claims to have wrestled bears. Probably just drunk. - Kind of a shitty dancer Haggar: - Believes in freedom - Has a career - Refuses bribes and blackmail attempts - Is a political figure but still has integrity - Runs a small business in his retirement - Wears pants - Became mayor of a city on the verge of collapse and ended the gang rule almost single-handedly - Photographic evidence proves he has piledrived a shark - Can fight for more than 90 seconds. __________________ "There are worlds out there where the sky is burning, and the sea is asleep, and the rivers dream. People made of smoke and cities made of song. Somewhere there's danger, somewhere there's injustice, somewhere else the tea's getting cold. Come on, Ace; we've got work to do!" Awesome art be here. Last edited by BitVyper; 09-08-2011 at 12:47 PM.

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Professor Smarmiarty Sent to the cornfield Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: K-space Posts: 9,758	http://capcom.wikia.com/wiki/Zangief Zangief is 214 cm 158kg http://capcom.wikia.com/wiki/Mike_Haggar Haggar is 202 121 kg. They have nearly exactly the same fighting stye so the keydifference is height and strength which give Zangief a devastating advantage. Also Zangief is 13 years younger than Haggar and doesn't waste his time being mayor instead he trains constantly. Also he's sometime a robot.. Last edited by Professor Smarmiarty; 09-08-2011 at 12:56 PM.

09-08-2011, 01:05 PM	#4
BitVyper History's Strongest Dilettante Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Arcadia Posts: 6,662	Oh look, Smarty sides with the commie. Are you surprised? I'm not surprised. The size difference is just further evidence that Haggar is better. Zangief is naturally huge, and oh look, all he does in life is abuse that. You know what they call that? a BULLY. Sure, Haggar COULD have continued his sports career, but he has an actual brain, and the personal drive to use it. And not just use it, but use it for the betterment of his fellow man. To drive back the night, so that we don't have to live in fear of monsters in the dark. You know what they call THAT? A HERO. __________________ "There are worlds out there where the sky is burning, and the sea is asleep, and the rivers dream. People made of smoke and cities made of song. Somewhere there's danger, somewhere there's injustice, somewhere else the tea's getting cold. Come on, Ace; we've got work to do!" Awesome art be here.

09-08-2011, 01:11 PM	#6
Revising Ocelot Douchebag Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Probably somewhere in England. Posts: 1,897	Depends on the character. For someone like the Demoman, being drunk is definitely an advantage. Most other people... not so much. __________________ magic sucks

09-08-2011, 02:36 PM	#9
BitVyper History's Strongest Dilettante Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Arcadia Posts: 6,662	Zangief only fights people a lot smaller than him, and he still only does a little bit more damage. Haggar fights guys who are way bigger than him and kicks their asses. Pound for pound, Haggar is clearly the stronger guy. It also proves that Haggar makes better use of his weight, which makes sense, since Zangief is, as I've indicated, just a dumbass bruiser who can't do anything but depend on his muscle. __________________ "There are worlds out there where the sky is burning, and the sea is asleep, and the rivers dream. People made of smoke and cities made of song. Somewhere there's danger, somewhere there's injustice, somewhere else the tea's getting cold. Come on, Ace; we've got work to do!" Awesome art be here. Last edited by BitVyper; 09-08-2011 at 03:09 PM.

09-08-2011, 03:12 PM	#10
Professor Smarmiarty Sent to the cornfield Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: K-space Posts: 9,758	It's not Zangiefs fault that he's bigger than everyone else. Pound for pound is meaningless- pound for pound bruce lee could out grapple wrestle Zangief. What we are talking about is actuality and in that case Zangief is clearly victorious. Both fighters use a grappling style where the stronger fighter will be victorious. Your claim that Haggar is stronger is ridicuous. Haggar fights random street thugs. Zangief fights the 10 strongest dudes in the world. Of course Haggar is going to dominate them. Zangief would dominate them too. But Zangief also throws around the world's greatest fighters. His sheer weight increase wil give him the strength advantage. And shit, Zangief dominates bears. I'd ike to see Haggar do that.