My Little Pony: Friendship is Mafia

[Sifright]

This just made things ridiculously confusing for me now.

[Revising Ocelot]

Limited knowledge here, but do Millers have to act like they're silly and suspicious or is that just pseudo-RPing? All I know is that they just scan as Mafia by the PO, when they're actually Town.

[Sifright]

Okay I'm going to get Nikose voting history and mentions of power roles up to see how it jibes with his roleclaim also apart from his lying about snake the other thing that makes me leery is the idea of town power roles outside of the elements of Harmony. Whi'lst I am at it i'm going to post up shit that favors my case against RPGDEMON.

Originally Posted by Nikose Tyris

Alduin was culted night 0.

RPG is serial Killer.

Snake is probably going to die by mafia kill night one.

Bob the merc is Cult leader.

Okay So far looking pretty odd.

Originally Posted by Nikose Tyris

What role would you see him in, beyond SK? He always talks about finding Mafia, doubted the existence of an SK despite there clearly being one [Cluckles], and maybe most damning of all, did try to see a town outcry against Karesh, the only confirmed unkillable were he an SK.

It seems logical to me that he's the SK. He fits the role perfectly.

Overly concerned about finding the SK early on. SK and Town are nominally aligned to begin with because if the mafia get to 50%+ the SK loses. Mafia are more worried about killing off the SK than town are.




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Start OF RPG========================

Originally Posted by rpgdemon

Furthermore, reading your plan again Sif, it's completely full of holes, and benefits scum more than I originally thought.

You're saying, "Hey, Investigator. Either I get away with being scum, or you die tomorrow. Silence means I live, coming forward and saying something means I die."

If you really thought of yourself as expendable, you'd say that silence means you die, coming forward means you live. That way you're not holding the investigator hostage for your life.

So let's look at what my plan was. Day 1 I role claim and confirm a Fluttershy claim from Karesh. MY plan was the PO investigates me and SAYS NOTHING to confirm i'm town makes things ambiguous but on the other hoof, the PO doesn't have to reveal I'm mafia straight away even if I am but putting my self out there has made me a huge target. So Day 1 if i'm mafia he knows one confirmed mafia straight away later on in the game he can then reveal everything he knows getting me mega lynched quick as you please. There is no reason why my plan if i was mafia and thus lying would 'force' the Pos hoof and Mischaracterising it as that to cast more suspicion on me made me wary as fuck.


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Originally Posted by rpgdemon

Like, what you've done right now has tied your life to the investigator's. Whatever happens to you, happens to him, and that benefits scum, and isn't how an "expendable townie" would think. If you wanted to be expendable, you'd set it up so that the investigator survives when you die.

Not true at all what my preposed plan would do is give the investigator the ability to prove both my self and Karesh or If mafia the knowledge of one mafiate straight away with the choice to reveal now or later on the only holes in my plan at the time were the lack of knowledge about 'watcher' roles which snake pointed out to me. The idea that the PO or Doctor is lynched Day one is pretty unlikely.


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Originally Posted by rpgdemon

I do want to know why you'd have said THAT though. More than anything, it makes no sense to me.

ESPECIALLY considering earlier you were all, "No one tell anyone to target anything! It's bad and scummy, since they can just watch someone and see who the power player is!" But now you're all for it?



And now you set the town up in an incredibly awkward position. You have been acting suspicious today, with the suggestion to Vig-kill Karesh. And now, anyone who calls you out on that, is likely to be scum, by what you said here.

If you are town: You're playing it to give the scum the advantage here, since you don't realize that you made a blundering statement that does incriminate you. If you're scum, then you've now set yourself up to make sure that no townie targets you, since "Well, he's a townie, and once he dies, they'll think I'm suspicious! Snake said so!"

vote: Snake

I'm willing to move my vote if you can allay these suspicions, but for now, that's how it's staying.

Misconstrueing Snakes actions and again trying to cover for Nikose.

Snake points how high activity posting and being killed allows us to work around those who were cautious and reckless with him RPGdemons response is to go "Fuck you snake it's lynch time"

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Originally Posted by rpgdemon

Actually, thinking on it, the whole Fawful thing is probably more suspicious than the whole Snake thing. Mainly because he was active at night, and hasn't posted here, but wasn't replaced for inactivity.

Unvote:Snake
Vote: Fawful

I still think Snake is suspicious, but Fawful is more immediately suspicious.

"I DONT WANT TO KILL INACTIVES HE TELLING PEOPLE A LIE ABOUT ME WANTING TO KILL INACTIVES" You know except when you vote for them and try and get them killed sure.

Followed with a fenris post stating

Originally Posted by Fenris

I need to clear up some misconceptions.

The people I replaced quit.

I have yet to prune inactives.

I also do not count merely submitting night roles as an active participant in my threads. Any of you who have ever played a game of mine ever should know this.

After that Aldurin went all derpy hooves and killed applejack

[rpgdemon]

Originally Posted by Sifright

"I DONT WANT TO KILL INACTIVES HE TELLING PEOPLE A LIE ABOUT ME WANTING TO KILL INACTIVES" You know except when you vote for them and try and get them killed sure.

Again, you're aiming to lie and mislead. What was the point of posting Fenris's post? Are you implying that I'm clairvoyant, and should have known that Fenris would have told us, after I posted, that he hadn't replaced inactives yet? What is your angle? If you're town, and you think I'm scum, you're playing absolutely terribly. You don't try to twist facts to make them fit what you want, you base what you want off of facts. I legitimately can't believe you when you say that you're not scum, and every time you try to leverage "Backup", you just make it more obvious.

Who are you even backing up to? People all start bandwagonning on me, and you go, "Okay, well, there's as much can be said about me or him being scummy as can be said! We need to follow other leads!", without addressing the huge list of points that I made against you at all. Then when people start voting off of me, you decide that logic isn't a good way to play this game, and to start putting your spin on what happened.

I was going based off the idea that Fawful had acted at night, and still hadn't said a single thing in the thread, making him highly suspicious. And it seemed as if Fenris had replaced people for inactivity, so the fact that Fawful was still around was suspicious. Fenris posted later saying that Fawful wasn't necessarily active, and then Aldurin happened.

[Sifright]

Originally Posted by rpgdemon

Again, you're aiming to lie and mislead. What was the point of posting Fenris's post? Are you implying that I'm clairvoyant, and should have known that Fenris would have told us, after I posted, that he hadn't replaced inactives yet? What is your angle? If you're town, and you think I'm scum, you're playing absolutely terribly. You don't try to twist facts to make them fit what you want, you base what you want off of facts. I legitimately can't believe you when you say that you're not scum, and every time you try to leverage "Backup", you just make it more obvious.

Who are you even backing up to? People all start bandwagonning on me, and you go, "Okay, well, there's as much can be said about me or him being scummy as can be said! We need to follow other leads!", without addressing the huge list of points that I made against you at all. Then when people start voting off of me, you decide that logic isn't a good way to play this game, and to start putting your spin on what happened.

I was going based off the idea that Fawful had acted at night, and still hadn't said a single thing in the thread, making him highly suspicious. And it seemed as if Fenris had replaced people for inactivity, so the fact that Fawful was still around was suspicious. Fenris posted later saying that Fawful wasn't necessarily active, and then Aldurin happened.

What huge list of points so far your only going to lynch me because "LOL HE SAID KARESH IS FLUTTER SHY DAY 1 AND HES MAFIA BECAUSE HE KEEPS TRYING TO COME UP WITH PLANS THAT COULD ONLY WORK WELL FOR HIM IF HE IS TOWN HUURP." I mean yea my plan day one had the chance to back fire day one if the doctor or PO was lynched but we would be told that and people could then react to said information.

Also I note your saying i'm lying in your post but I didn't lie I directly quoted your actions. I posted the fenris thing to show that lynching people who are completely inactive IE Julford now would be a stupid thing to do and because that proved that going for inactives was a terrible idea.

[rpgdemon]

Originally Posted by Sifright

Also I note your saying i'm lying in your post but I didn't lie I directly quoted your actions. I posted the fenris thing to show that lynching people who are completely inactive IE Julford now would be a stupid thing to do and because that proved that going for inactives was a terrible idea.

That was an implied lie though, right there. Posting Fenris's thing made no sense, as it wasn't information available when the plan was discussed, and not even initiated by me! And heck, you're even lying by saying it's a player who's completely inactive. There was evidence that Julford was acting at night, and not during the day, and wasn't replaced by Fenris. It was a strong case to be suspicious. Posting the Fenris thing ignores the circumstance and is meant to mislead, as it's completely a red herring. There is NO reason to post it, as it's got no relevance to what was discussed before he mentioned it.

Originally Posted by Sifright

I'm going to ignore this post for now and will write up a concise rebuttal later but I'd like to show every one a plan I have for really hammering the Mafia, if the PO has certain information.

You lied here: You just ignored that post, as you ignore all criticism of yourself, and somehow everyone buys it. You never rebutted Hawk's points. You just went, "LOLOLOL SUICIDE HAH YOU WON'T VOTE FOR ME NOW."

Originally Posted by Sifright

Justification of killing inactives.

Edit: Note Smb was in favour of this tactic and he was scum

A direct and blatant lie about me. I was arguing against SMB, and it's incredibly obvious because he was the next person to respond saying how I was wrong. I already made this point though, which was again ignored by you, because hey, why do we need logic? That keeps us from lynching townies.

Just start reading here to see what I said about it.

http://www.nuklearforums.com/showthr...=40768&page=92

Right there, when there's clear suspicion on you, you just ignore it.

Now, I'm going to leave. I'm not going to check this thread again, until I have my paper written. It may not be until night fall. I may break this promise, but I need to get this paper written, and you're wasting my time.

[Sifright]

So thats 4 non mafia the very least confirmed that Nikose has voted for. obviously when thinking about it my self i'm bumping that number to 5.

Things that worry, high number of players that are making one or two posts a game day and then nothing more. In that list is Oron, Bard, Ryanderman, Greed and Gregness.

So thats five there. I'm working on the assumption that we have five mafia and one SK. Cult were slaughtered night one which is basically a miracle. Chances are one of those five has to be town but they are all equally inactive. RPGDEMON is scummy for the reasons i've listed previously at this point i'm not certain what to do. I also Feel there is a good chance nikose is the SK, with that in mind I'm not going to vote to lynch him.

Unvote: Whoever

Vote:RPGDEMON


HOS: NIKOSE
HOS: Bard
HOS: Gregness
HOS: Ryanderman
HOS: Greed
HOS: Oron

[Gregness]

Originally Posted by Sifright

So thats 4 non mafia the very least confirmed that Nikose has voted for. obviously when thinking about it my self i'm bumping that number to 5.

Things that worry, high number of players that are making one or two posts a game day and then nothing more. In that list is Oron, Bard, Ryanderman, Greed and Gregness.

So thats five there. I'm working on the assumption that we have five mafia and one SK. Cult were slaughtered night one which is basically a miracle. Chances are one of those five has to be town but they are all equally inactive. RPGDEMON is scummy for the reasons i've listed previously at this point i'm not certain what to do. I also Feel there is a good chance nikose is the SK, with that in mind I'm not going to vote to lynch him.

Unvote: Whoever

Vote:RPGDEMON


HOS: NIKOSE
HOS: Bard
HOS: Gregness
HOS: Ryanderman
HOS: Greed
HOS: Oron

Oh. My. GOD. You're really going to make me do this aren't you?

Originally Posted by Gregness

I know this might be tough given your... restrictions, but that's the second time you've sent a HoS my way and I'm curious why.

One of the chief arguments people have used to convince themselves that IHMN is town is something along the lines of "no one would put themselves through all that on purpose." Think about it though, doesn't that make it the perfect facade? Even if IHMN is telling the truth about derpy, she doesn't have to be town aligned. Derpy seems like a decent enough candidate to be the SK.

Now, the problem with that lies in the flavor text of the night kills. How much can we rely on it for information? This is my first Mafia game, so I don't know how much stock we can usually put in it. Could it be that even IF the flavor text IS technically accurate in that it's a cockatrice making the kills, could the cockatrice be somepony's pet?

I haven't convinced myself of this yet, but I think we should consider these sorts of things so that we can avoid any more screwups like we've had the first two days. Basically, I want to make sure we cover our bases.

HoS: IHMN
HoS: Nikose


HoS on Nikose because he's thrown out half a dozen more flippant contradictions than I'm comfortable with.

that's one...

Originally Posted by Gregness

Actually, I've been TRYING to contribute to the discussion, but people keep ignoring my points in favor of jumping all up on this assinine sif/rpg debate.

And I'd like to contribute more, but quite frankly guys I'm an engineering student and so just combing through the backlog that builds up in this thread takes enough time as it is without ALSO trying to write down coherant and logical arguments.

Granted, not like some people have been even bothering with coherant arguments.

I still haven't heard anyone actually accuse me of anything beyond being bland I guess? I mean, it's like rpg (I think) was complaining about earlier. I've actually posted somewhere between 5 and 10 times each day but it just doesn't look like much when compared to 100 pages of posts.

Anyway, the big issue here is that our first two days were completely cocked up and so we almost haven't moved past our D1 level of information.

Oh, and I feel like I should refute the idea that a bunch of scum drawing attention to themselves is necessarily a bad idea.

Two...

Originally Posted by Gregness

We also don't know that that's all the scum.

... and three (and this one makes four) so far this game day. Most of which, I might add, have more content than the vast majority of your own posts (the lack of which was pointed out by Fenris).

So tell me: Why am I suspicious again?

[Sifright]

I also feel the need to point out the difference between voting 100% inactives off who aren't doing anything on the ENTIRE forum and inactives who are active else where on the forum it's quite a large difference.

[rpgdemon]

Originally Posted by Sifright

I also feel the need to point out the difference between voting 100% inactives off who aren't doing anything on the ENTIRE forum and inactives who are active else where on the forum it's quite a large difference.

Yes, it is. One of them was a plan that I didn't support except as a last resort, because it was tantamount to not voting at all. The other was a plan that someone else (Snake?) brought up, and it seemed logical, and I did support it, since we had no other leads, and this wasn't a lead of, "HE'S INACTIVE", so much as, "HE'S DOING SOMETHING AT NIGHT AND LURKING AT DAY."