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Unread 09-23-2011, 09:07 PM   #1
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I feel like you could have just as easily made an intellectual contribution without making the incredibly unintelligent assertion that we're all stupid for playing a game like it's a game.
So you're conceding that you're letting a personal interpretation of perceived hostility or the slight of an imagined offense dictate your perception as to whether I'm Scum or Town? Because, let's face it, assuming you have even the slightest degree of respect for my Mafia playing abilities, you'd essentially be conceding that the manner in which I've just now acted is not how I would have behaved if I were actually Scum. Because if I was Scum and I just insulted everyone for the mere sake of insulting everyone, my Scumteam would have every right to justifiably think I was the most stupid Mafia player in human history for creating a ruckus and drawing attention to myself when I could have just been inactive and escaped scrutiny.

Hell, I even had the perfect excuse to be inactive and skirt through D1. I hadn't posted in more than a week, maybe two weeks. And it'd make perfect sense for me to act on the exact strategy that was so successful for Scum last game if I was, in fact, Scum; namely, you're concentrating on the active players and letting inactives and barely-actives skirt under the radar, which is exactly what's happened before, so as Scum assuming I had two brain cells in my head I'd keep my mouth shut, say vaguely noncommittal, noncontroversial things if necessary and skirt by until / unless I was pressured.

You see I don't blame you for being offended by the fact that I basically insinuated y'all were stupid but I do blame you for interpreting the personal slight as 'Scummy behavior.' It isn't. The reality of the matter is the only reason you're voting against me now is that your panties are twisted because I dared insinuate you guys were playing a poor game. That's anti-town logic. You're not voting me off because you legit think I've been assigned a Scum role, you're just voting me because you don't like the way I'm playing the game.

Again: anti-town logic. You'll kill a lot of increasingly frustrated or angry Townies that way as opposed to actually killing off Scum, who will be very friendly and agreeable as they have the benefit of additional information to inform their decisions and they won't need to take risks and say controversial things in order to garner information as to who's Town and who isn't. You shouldn't be worried about the controversial players. You should be worried about those who tell you how great you're doing and how comfortable they are with your play. They're the ones with daggers behind their roses.
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Unread 09-23-2011, 09:17 PM   #2
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So you're conceding that you're letting a personal interpretation of perceived hostility or the slight of an imagined offense dictate your perception as to whether I'm Scum or Town? Because, let's face it, assuming you have even the slightest degree of respect for my Mafia playing abilities, you'd essentially be conceding that the manner in which I've just now acted is not how I would have behaved if I were actually Scum. Because if I was Scum and I just insulted everyone for the mere sake of insulting everyone, my Scumteam would have every right to justifiably think I was the most stupid Mafia player in human history for creating a ruckus and drawing attention to myself when I could have just been inactive and escaped scrutiny.

Hell, I even had the perfect excuse to be inactive and skirt through D1. I hadn't posted in more than a week, maybe two weeks. And it'd make perfect sense for me to act on the exact strategy that was so successful for Scum last game if I was, in fact, Scum; namely, you're concentrating on the active players and letting inactives and barely-actives skirt under the radar, which is exactly what's happened before, so as Scum assuming I had two brain cells in my head I'd keep my mouth shut, say vaguely noncommittal, noncontroversial things if necessary and skirt by until / unless I was pressured.

You see I don't blame you for being offended by the fact that I basically insinuated y'all were stupid but I do blame you for interpreting the personal slight as 'Scummy behavior.' It isn't. The reality of the matter is the only reason you're voting against me now is that your panties are twisted because I dared insinuate you guys were playing a poor game. That's anti-town logic. You're not voting me off because you legit think I've been assigned a Scum role, you're just voting me because you don't like the way I'm playing the game.

Again: anti-town logic. You'll kill a lot of increasingly frustrated or angry Townies that way as opposed to actually killing off Scum, who will be very friendly and agreeable as they have the benefit of additional information to inform their decisions and they won't need to take risks and say controversial things in order to garner information as to who's Town and who isn't. You shouldn't be worried about the controversial players. You should be worried about those who tell you how great you're doing and how comfortable they are with your play. They're the ones with daggers behind their roses.
I haven't once insinuated that you're scum, or even that I really am all that upset that you called our actions stupid. If you'd actually gotten to the point where you'd be lynched for it I personally would have called my vote off. Same thing with Hawk, actually. The only reason my vote stayed on him was because there's no chance of it actually coming to a head.

But about that last game, who was inactive? Sure, some of them were, but I recall Fenris and one other wasn't playing the inactive game at all. Hell, Fenris fucking skirted suspicion like a champ precisely because he wasn't inactive. He called historical precedent of his guilt over being too nice and the suspicions of the town to his and his groups advantage and we all went for it hook line n' sinker. So don't expect me to just buy into the idea that A mafiate will never ever dare draw attention to themselves. Because the safest place to be for a mafioso isn't the shadows where a stray bullet might hit. Where you want to be is leading the fucking town.

Which, hey! Is exactly what you're trying to do. Whether you want to admit to it or not you've swooped in and declared we're all bloody stupid and you're the only one who can lead us out of the darkness.
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