My Little Pony: Friendship is Mafia

[Solid Snake]

Originally Posted by Karesh

But liking me more and more, right?

I really have no opinion of you at the moment.
I have several objections against Sifright.
Really the only thing that confuses me is why Sifright would threaten to quit and/or be Modkilled when caught 'bending the rules' and claim he was Town if doing so was a lie. He'd have to have real confidence that Fenris wasn't going to toss him and immediately completely invalidate his own supposed 'moment of truth.'

But there's so much not adding up with Sifright right now. So very much.

[rpgdemon]

Originally Posted by Solid Snake

I really have no opinion of you at the moment.
I have several objections against Sifright.
Really the only thing that confuses me is why Sifright would threaten to quit and/or be Modkilled when caught 'bending the rules' and claim he was Town if doing so was a lie. He'd have to have real confidence that Fenris wasn't going to toss him and immediately completely invalidate his own supposed 'moment of truth.'

But there's so much not adding up with Sifright right now. So very much.

See, for me what makes me most suspicious is this:

Originally Posted by Sifright

Okay the dude I know is almost certainly a power role I don't know what their power is but i do know their flavor role and it lines up fluff wise with those who have powers, I can't in good faith reveal the person because if their power is doctor/bodyguard role they can't protect them selves and being the only known innocent basically makes them the obvious night 1 kill for the mafia.

If Sifright was trying to play to the town's interests, he'd have said, "I know X is a townie.", rather than going, "The townie I know has a power role. I dunno what it is. Totally a power role though. So, I can't tell you. I'll kill a power role."


Sif, what you're saying right now isn't following through with logic. In order for an investigator to reveal you as true or false, the investigator needs to reveal themselves, and then bam, we lose a huge asset. And scum gets you killed, probably gets Karesh lynched for being in cahoots with you, but Karesh is probably a townie.

Breakin' it down:
-The way you revealed your information did it in a way that was guaranteed to hurt the town. We lose secrecy of a power role, instead of just knowing that a power role is a townie.
-If you're investigated, the investigator has to reveal himself to call your bluff, hurting the town again.
-If you're lying, and the investigator lets himself die to call your bluff, the town now turns on Karesh. It's entirely possible that you said "YEP!" to Karesh to implicate him, and we lose our unlynchable townie.

[rpgdemon]

Furthermore, reading your plan again Sif, it's completely full of holes, and benefits scum more than I originally thought.

You're saying, "Hey, Investigator. Either I get away with being scum, or you die tomorrow. Silence means I live, coming forward and saying something means I die."

If you really thought of yourself as expendable, you'd say that silence means you die, coming forward means you live. That way you're not holding the investigator hostage for your life.

[rpgdemon]

Like, what you've done right now has tied your life to the investigator's. Whatever happens to you, happens to him, and that benefits scum, and isn't how an "expendable townie" would think. If you wanted to be expendable, you'd set it up so that the investigator survives when you die.

[Sifright]

Originally Posted by rpgdemon

Like, what you've done right now has tied your life to the investigator's. Whatever happens to you, happens to him, and that benefits scum, and isn't how an "expendable townie" would think. If you wanted to be expendable, you'd set it up so that the investigator survives when you die.

This totally isn't true it's only tied his life to mine if he finds out i'm lieing.

[Oron]

Originally Posted by Sifright

This totally isn't true it's only tied his life to mine if he finds out i'm lieing.

...In which case, it works out well for you. If you are scum, he states that you're scum. We lynch you. He's then revealed. Even if we have a bodyguard to protect him that night, his days will be quite numbered. I doubt scum would leave a power role like that alone for long.

And now you're reacting to Hawk with a vote. Interesting.

If you were scum, I doubt you'd be throwing yourself out there like you are now if you had a power role. So really, in the event that are you are scum:

Scum loses a regular member.

Town potentially loses the investigator.

-- Man, super ninja'd. I'm one slow poster on my phone.

[The Artist Formerly Known as Hawk]

Sifs plan is what I'm going to call a Reverse Xanatos Gambit. Rather than picking every path that leads to a victory, he's picked every path leading to defeat.

Of course it makes perfect sense if he's scum, if only he had worded it in any way that made it sound plausible as pro town.