Batman Mafia - Page 7

IHateMakingNames · 01-02-2012, 06:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Gregness

What? That's literally one of two ways to correctly play a miller.

You have a wiki to say that this is how you should play Miller, and you have the last mafia game telling you that people won't just lynch the Miller claim. Scummy and I think you should lynch people who claim Miller since it's entirely possibly they are scum trying to get PO immune.

The Artist Formerly Known as Hawk · 01-02-2012, 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Bard The 5th LW

I'm not thinking we should really limit what we see to the arcs there associated with.

Anyways, FOS: Nikose because he's acting scummy and making a lot of leaps but really thats his default state of being so Im not sure if its worth bolding.

Yeah for now nothing is certain at all and I'm taking Nikoses ideas with the slimmest possible pinch of salt myself. But at least we ahve disscussion now and a few things to go on, so I want to hear from other people now on their thoughts on stuff and see where that leads us. And then after night 1 we'll have more info. Day 1 is usually a bust anyway but who knows, maybe we'll get lucky?

The Artist Formerly Known as Hawk · 01-02-2012, 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by IHateMakingNames

You have a wiki to say that this is how you should play Miller, and you have the last mafia game telling you that people won't just lynch the Miller claim. Scummy and I think you should lynch people who claim Miller since it's entirely possibly they are scum trying to get PO immune.

While this is a fair point, it's also slightly WIFOM. There may indeed be a miller who decides to claim straight away, so as not to waste a PO investigation, but then they could also be a scum trying to preted that's what they are. But knowing the risks involved in claiming miller, would a mafia actually bother to claim miller, knowing they would be immediately suspected? But then knowing that we know that... yeah, you get the picture. There's really no way to tell.

What concerns me is not that Al claimed miller, but also Batman Unkillable, which if he was really town nobody would do, because then the mafia would know not to use Batman to kill him, or if they can select their killer each night, to use somebody else. Which makes me think Aldurin is either lieing and didn't think it through, or he's an idiot. Possibly both, again, WIFOM.

I'd be inclined to vote Al at this point based on this, but I'll give it some more time before doing so, becuase we have time yet and I want to hear more arguments first.

Nikose Tyris · 01-02-2012, 06:58 PM

While not wanting to defend Aldurin in any possible way, I'd just like to clarify that his powers do make sense.

**Revising Ocelot** · 01-02-2012, 07:44 PM

Yeah, I don't see why he'd want to reveal he's Batman unkillable since just knowing that leads to knowing they pick a person to perform a kill with, and thus revealing it leaves him very vulnerable. Hell, even if someone like Oracle can't do kills due to being paralysed (speaking of which, she'd definitely fit a Mafia investigator role), there'll be at the very least Robin, and probably Nightwing who can do kills.

On the plus side, it could mean we've got a Roleblocker on our team who can block the particular member doing a kill, like in Adventure Time mafia. Not sure who'd fit that role though - Scarecrow, maybe?

Gregness · 01-02-2012, 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by IHateMakingNames

You have a wiki to say that this is how you should play Miller, and you have the last mafia game telling you that people won't just lynch the Miller claim. Scummy and I think you should lynch people who claim Miller since it's entirely possibly they are scum trying to get PO immune.

If we end up with literally nothing else to go on then I might get on board with lynching the supposed miller, but if all we've got is his roleclaim I'd rather pursue any other leads we can get.

Aldurin · 01-02-2012, 08:26 PM

To clarify on the second detail on my role. I was told that I'm immune to Batman, basically. If the vig or a possible SK (assuming he isn't Batman) tries to kill me I fully expect it to work.

It was kinda derp of me not to clarify and reveal that part in my first post, so you can blame minor idiocy on that. What worries me is that I'm the only major subject of conversation, which won't get town very far if they lynch me and run out of leads.

Geminex · 01-03-2012, 12:20 AM

Okay, a couple of things.

First, RO: Just a quick FYI, but the mayor role is not usually a recruiting role. The mayor can normally override a lynch. What bookie did with the mayor in Hatland was an exception.

So Nik isn't proposing that earl might be a recruiter. What he is proposing is that earl, in addition to being a self-proclaimed miller, might have the ability to override a lynch. Which seems a weird assumption, but not as weird as what you think is happening.

Anyway. STUFF.

I'm not sure what Nikose is up to at the moment. For all his super-duper-batman-smartness, it doesn't necessarily seem productive to put this shit out in the open. Like, the setting stuff is really interesting and good. But posting the role list you come up with, and trying to connect roles to powers? Bad. If earl was town and was a mayor, then your suggestion that that might be the case would've gone towards publicly revealing a power role early in the game. Bad. And the role list would've done you more good if it was secret, cause you could've waited for scum to claim a role not on that list, and then gone all 'gotcha!'.

Like, I don't think Nikose is scum, but his brilliant deductions might be helping scum as well. So maybe keep some of them a bit more secret?

Anyway, earl! If the batman-immune thing is true, you should not not not have revealed that. Even if under pressure from Nikose. As it is, I disagree with IHMN's vote, for now, though. An early miller claim is a good miller claim. And Nikose' claim last game was well-recieved, yes. But that wasn't based solely on his claim. It was based on the fact that he had a good flavor claim to go along with his roleclaim, and the fact that his behavior, in general, was pretty beneficial to town.

So it's kinda silly to assume that, based on a situation in the previous game, a miller roleclaim is a scumtell. For one, claiming the way earl did is p. much ideal. If there is a town miller, that is what they would do. And even if scum thought miller claims were safe from lynching (which, again, I really don't think they are), there are 20 players in this game. Probably around 15 town? Chances are pretty good that at least one of them is a miller. A miller who would have no qualms with counterclaiming a scum miller claim. And it's not like earl waited for everyone to post before making his claim. If earl is scum, then he was taking a definite, major risk in claiming a role that had a good chance of existing, and whose owner would definitely counterclaim.

Gah, I need to think about this again, but IHMN's apparent assumption that miller-claiming is a scumtell is really weird. Not sure about earl's claim, but we'll see. got stuff to do right now.

BahamutFlare · 01-03-2012, 01:23 AM

Ok. Sorry if I get some minor details wrong. I just read the thread pretty quickly.

Well IHMN said he would've forced all of us to vote for miller role claims at the end of last game. Well at least in the last case it was Nikose. My guess is that IHMN is doing the exact same thing with this game. And I'm also guessing he just doesn't trust millers. Which makes sense. In this kind of game, there may be more than 1 miller too.

I really dislike joke role claims Hawk. FOS

I got nothing to really give a vote as of yet, so I'll hold back for a while.

IHateMakingNames · 01-03-2012, 01:24 AM

I think claiming Miller is scummy. If you are scum it's a way to make yourself PO immune. Maybe he is a Miller, but regardless I think it's a good lynch. My vote is remaining unless some one does something really scummy or everyone decides to vote Nikose.

Edit - The way Nikose Miller claimed was way worse in the previous game. Aldurin's isn't so bad.

01-02-2012, 07:44 PM	#65
Revising Ocelot Douchebag Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Probably somewhere in England. Posts: 1,897	Yeah, I don't see why he'd want to reveal he's Batman unkillable since just knowing that leads to knowing they pick a person to perform a kill with, and thus revealing it leaves him very vulnerable. Hell, even if someone like Oracle can't do kills due to being paralysed (speaking of which, she'd definitely fit a Mafia investigator role), there'll be at the very least Robin, and probably Nightwing who can do kills. On the plus side, it could mean we've got a Roleblocker on our team who can block the particular member doing a kill, like in Adventure Time mafia. Not sure who'd fit that role though - Scarecrow, maybe? __________________ magic sucks

01-03-2012, 01:24 AM	#70
IHateMakingNames Awwwwh Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 12,119	I think claiming Miller is scummy. If you are scum it's a way to make yourself PO immune. Maybe he is a Miller, but regardless I think it's a good lynch. My vote is remaining unless some one does something really scummy or everyone decides to vote Nikose. Edit - The way Nikose Miller claimed was way worse in the previous game. Aldurin's isn't so bad. __________________ "If I'm reincarnated, I want to be Musashi again!" - Musashi, Brave Fencer Musashi

01-02-2012, 08:26 PM	#67
Aldurin Lakitu Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 4,648	To clarify on the second detail on my role. I was told that I'm immune to Batman, basically. If the vig or a possible SK (assuming he isn't Batman) tries to kill me I fully expect it to work. It was kinda derp of me not to clarify and reveal that part in my first post, so you can blame minor idiocy on that. What worries me is that I'm the only major subject of conversation, which won't get town very far if they lynch me and run out of leads.

01-03-2012, 12:20 AM	#68
Geminex SOM3WH3R3 Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 4,606	Okay, a couple of things. First, RO: Just a quick FYI, but the mayor role is not usually a recruiting role. The mayor can normally override a lynch. What bookie did with the mayor in Hatland was an exception. So Nik isn't proposing that earl might be a recruiter. What he is proposing is that earl, in addition to being a self-proclaimed miller, might have the ability to override a lynch. Which seems a weird assumption, but not as weird as what you think is happening. Anyway. STUFF. I'm not sure what Nikose is up to at the moment. For all his super-duper-batman-smartness, it doesn't necessarily seem productive to put this shit out in the open. Like, the setting stuff is really interesting and good. But posting the role list you come up with, and trying to connect roles to powers? Bad. If earl was town and was a mayor, then your suggestion that that might be the case would've gone towards publicly revealing a power role early in the game. Bad. And the role list would've done you more good if it was secret, cause you could've waited for scum to claim a role not on that list, and then gone all 'gotcha!'. Like, I don't think Nikose is scum, but his brilliant deductions might be helping scum as well. So maybe keep some of them a bit more secret? Anyway, earl! If the batman-immune thing is true, you should not not not have revealed that. Even if under pressure from Nikose. As it is, I disagree with IHMN's vote, for now, though. An early miller claim is a good miller claim. And Nikose' claim last game was well-recieved, yes. But that wasn't based solely on his claim. It was based on the fact that he had a good flavor claim to go along with his roleclaim, and the fact that his behavior, in general, was pretty beneficial to town. So it's kinda silly to assume that, based on a situation in the previous game, a miller roleclaim is a scumtell. For one, claiming the way earl did is p. much ideal. If there is a town miller, that is what they would do. And even if scum thought miller claims were safe from lynching (which, again, I really don't think they are), there are 20 players in this game. Probably around 15 town? Chances are pretty good that at least one of them is a miller. A miller who would have no qualms with counterclaiming a scum miller claim. And it's not like earl waited for everyone to post before making his claim. If earl is scum, then he was taking a definite, major risk in claiming a role that had a good chance of existing, and whose owner would definitely counterclaim. Gah, I need to think about this again, but IHMN's apparent assumption that miller-claiming is a scumtell is really weird. Not sure about earl's claim, but we'll see. got stuff to do right now.

01-03-2012, 01:23 AM	#69
BahamutFlare Troopa Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: PA Posts: 34	Ok. Sorry if I get some minor details wrong. I just read the thread pretty quickly. Well IHMN said he would've forced all of us to vote for miller role claims at the end of last game. Well at least in the last case it was Nikose. My guess is that IHMN is doing the exact same thing with this game. And I'm also guessing he just doesn't trust millers. Which makes sense. In this kind of game, there may be more than 1 miller too. I really dislike joke role claims Hawk. FOS I got nothing to really give a vote as of yet, so I'll hold back for a while.