Batman Mafia

[Aldurin]

1. Geminex Claimed Riddler: 1-shot investigative
2. Bard The 5th LW
3. Nikose Tyris Claimed Penguin, Currently Frozen
4. Aldurin Claimed Thomas Elliot: Miller
5. Hawk, Bane Arkham Asylum aligned Incarcerated Night 1.
6. Mr. Bookworm
7. Inbred Chocobo Claimed Killer Croc: Vanilla
8. Gregness
9. Fenris, Professor Jonathan Crane (The Scarecrow - Roleblocker) Arkham Asylum aligned Killed Night 1.
10. greed
11. Ravashak
12. IHateMakingNames, Cyrus Gold (Solomon Grundy - BG) Arkham Asylum aligned Lynched Day 1.
13. BahamutFlare
14. Oron
15. MariusTwilight
16. Nique
17. KareshWithAMoustache Claimed Clayface
18. Hawk2 (originally Revolving Ocelot)
19. P-Sleazy

This is what we currently know. I say we just start going through with roleclaims 1-by-1 and start picking out fake claims through counterclaiming and/or character obscurity. This way we get more people actually posting and get some attention to the inactives (I'm looking at you, P-sleazy).

[Karrrrrrrrrrrresche]

Originally Posted by Inbred Chocobo

That, right there. See, we are in a game where the mafia is Batman and Co. I mean, flavor wise Batman has always been a detective and doing investigative kinds of thing. Heck, he probably has a database of people to refer to. Him having a list of roles, or maybe even a list of non-existant roles, isn't actually that far-fetched as it would first seem.

So I mean Nikose knowing to claim that role doesn't actually sound that bad anymore, and I would hate to lynch Karesh, have him turn up town, mafia wins, and then Nikose be scum.

Then that would explain both why Karesh and Gem don't have a clue, but if that is the case, then who to go after, hmmmmmmm.

Thinking about it for the long haul I think (Totally biased since I'm about to DIE but I still think it!) we have some sort of investigative role aside from Gem. Whoever it is just needs to at some point investigate me, and then at a time of their choosing, after they've compiled a fair list of townies/scum they reveal.

Just like in the MLP Mafia, maintaining a strong bloc of town aligned confirms can be more important that power roles.

All they'd need to do is investigate me.

[Aldurin]

Wait wait wait. I'm thinking about Gem's claim. Having a 1-shot investigative is weird, but it would be a good scum claim since people wouldn't be demanding to know what your scan got each day, as that would make the claim progressively weaker. As it is, every townie lynch is a benefit to scum, and scrutiny on an investigative claim would lessen on the logic of "If he only gets 1 investigation, then he can't continue to mislead us so why would he say that." I see this claim as a way to ensure that scum gets another period of no losses, making it even harder for town to recover.

Vote: Geminex

There's just too much wrong about this, especially with the natures of each claim involved in this.

[Bard The 5th LW]

Not really. It would be a bad claim to make if you weren't already in desperation because Town would turn on you the very moment your investigation proves false.

[Moogle0119]

greed, Mr. Bookworm, and P-Sleazy

You three need to start posting more or I'll start looking for replacements.

[P-Sleazy]

What? I'm here!-ish.

Also,

VOTE: Inbred Chocobo

I don't like the way he's been "orchestrating" Nikose, Gem and Karesh all being interlinked somehow, or how if one ends up this way, then the other two must be that way. Now yes, one of the three is likely mafia, but lynching one to "prove" this is rediculous (I can't spell). Lynching one will tell us that person's role and regardless of whether it supports IC's theory or not, its probably not going to pan out. I feel like this is a way for him to make town go after atleast 2 people, waste two days (maybe even three assuming the vig doesn't hit the other two), and not get anything accomplished.

[BahamutFlare]

Originally Posted by Aldurin

Wait wait wait. I'm thinking about Gem's claim. Having a 1-shot investigative is weird, but it would be a good scum claim since people wouldn't be demanding to know what your scan got each day, as that would make the claim progressively weaker. As it is, every townie lynch is a benefit to scum, and scrutiny on an investigative claim would lessen on the logic of "If he only gets 1 investigation, then he can't continue to mislead us so why would he say that." I see this claim as a way to ensure that scum gets another period of no losses, making it even harder for town to recover.

Vote: Geminex

There's just too much wrong about this, especially with the natures of each claim involved in this.

I hate this because I can never get a fix on Gem. It's quite possible that Gem is lying. But even when he was mafia in other games, (Nikose's and Hats) I have always assumed that he was town. And I kinda am doing the same thing this game.

IC, are you proposing a no lynch vote? Or am I misinterpreting? Or do you just not know?

[Nique]

Wow. This game is turning into a serious commitment.

I still think we need to look at what happened with IHMN's lynch but if we're not going in that direction my questions are 1) why would Mr. Freeze jail Nikose after Gem's roleclaim and 2) what was the benefit to karesh in revealing his role in light of Nikose's roleclaim?

I guess that might be an overall question we need to start focusing on: Who benefits the most (theoretically, within the possible and known roles)?

[Karrrrrrrrrrrresche]

Originally Posted by Nique

what was the benefit to karesh in revealing his role in light of Nikose's roleclaim?

I couldn't fathom how else Nikose would come to know the role name and its purpose other than being that role. Given that I would, you know... die. If Nikose were telling the truth and were then lynched, I felt something of an obligation to defend him.

[Geminex]

Okay. This should be simple.
There's the argument that Karesh's claim might be genuine. The only way this would work, logically, is if one of us is actually the penguin. Nikose could, I suppose, have investigated the penguin at night, and then claimed the penguin's role in astounding detail. I find that strange myself, since, when I investigated, all I got was alignment and flavor.

But okay, let's go with that! Maybe there is a penguin around.

But if there is, I've got two questions. First, why didn't they counterclaim when Nikose claimed?
And second, why haven't they claimed yet?
(Edit: Third question: Why the hell would Nikose claim a role that he knew existed?)

If someone does claim penguin and can persuade us that they actually are the penguin, and not just scum trying to save Karesh's half-ass, that's cool. I'll unvote karesh.

But until then, I really think that karesh is our best possible target right now.
I get that people don't wanna end the day early, and that is cool. We should get in as much discussion as possible. But when we're down to the last few hours, I really hope people do the smart thing.

Re: Me being scum, all I can say is what I've said before. Scum wouldn't reveal themselves like this. Neither Nikose nor Karesh are high-value targets (as far as I know). And as for the accusation that I just wanna get another townie lynch in to force you guys to your knees, I am pretty sure you were already lynching a townie (IC). So there's no reason I'd be doing this if I was scum.

And in regards to people worried that I'm wrong, gah. All I can say is that I think my nikose-conclusion fits the pattern we've seen from him. I've also checked the flavor, and, apparently, the hush storyline features the riddler using a lazarus pit to cure himself of cancer. The result of this immersion is temporary psychosis, in the course of which he correctly deduces the identity of batman as bruce wane. Correctly. Which totally fits my role.


So you people who're saying that my being wrong would fit the storyline? I have no idea what the hell you're on about.