America Is A Terrible Country

[Sifright]

Originally Posted by Magus

Well this is the country whose government (which I mean, let's keep that in mind, it's the government doing this) purposefully giving people in Guatemala syphilis.

buuut duuuuuuude, that was like totally the 40's and all the cool kids were doing that kind of shit.

totally doesn't happen now! I mean seriously you are acting like America is constantly drone striking civilian targets of opportunity in the middle east or even their own citizens or something!

[stefan]

Originally Posted by Kim

This is why I said to burn them down.

This is a sentiment I can get behind!

Originally Posted by Professor Smarmiarty

Prisons are usually made of concrete and things which are hard to burn.

amateur.

[shiney]

The fact that anyone would mount even a passing defense of a prison that exists to make profit for its owners is really a damning judgment on that person. We are talking about a facility that deprives people of their freedom and turns a profit on that. A place that maximizes profit incentives which inherently means cutting costs in areas that relate to taking care of human beings. Just because they are criminals should not make them into chattel for the rich and powerful.

Good christ Bells. You really need to evaluate your life choices if this is a thing you are trying to suggest is okay.

[PyrosNine]

Well, if this was Discussion, and not General Discussion, I'd stay out of it because it was a complicated topic I knew nothing about.

But since it's not just General Discussion, but the STARSHIP General Discussion, I say everyone who commits a crime, ever, should die a flaming death.

And then the people who performed this justice of a flaming death should receive a flaming death.

And then all the people who all made profit from Flaming Death intentionally or not, should also receive a flaming death.

And then all the people who stood idly by while everyone else was suffering a flaming death should also suffer a flaming death.

Then I can guarantee no more crime, and no more prisons. Forever.

100% rate of accuracy for finding criminals and a perfectly exact method of punishment, and no illusions about "reformation." And the best part is, when it's time to foot the bill, no one will have to pay it, because then everyone will be dead and on fire.

At least until some other species develops it's own conception of someone being "criminal," and having to be "punished."

[Sifright]

i've a better solution, every one that has assets totaling more than 2 million is executed for crimes against humanity.

All their assets are seized and liquefied all the money is poured into science, medicine and clean power generation and C02 scrubbing.

[PyrosNine]

Is the execution by flaming death?

[Sifright]

Originally Posted by PyrosNine

Is the execution by flaming death?

Yes.

some of the science funding from this new law is used to make new space craft and we use those craft to jettison them into the sun.

[RobinStarwing]

Originally Posted by Sifright

Yes.

some of the science funding from this new law is used to make new space craft and we use those craft to jettison them into the sun.

Why waste perfectly good materials on building new spacecraft when we can just stuff them into old Nuclear ICBMs and launch them into the sun?

[Bells]

Originally Posted by shiney

Good christ Bells. You really need to evaluate your life choices if this is a thing you are trying to suggest is okay.

Telltales signs that you did not understood what i said.

Which i`m getting used to see from the same group of people around here and therefore why i really don`t waste much energy explaining things to people with preconceived notions cast in stone.

I can`t control how you interpret and understand things, i can only vouch for what i think and say, if you didn't understood me cause i wasn't clear i`m sorry for that. But as time goes on, this is has be shown to not really be the reason for the misunderstanding...

I don`t like Backyard activists. People who shout, whine and pout all day long about ten thousand different things and think they know more than what they show they know, but will not actually shove their hands in the dirt to get things done for what they believe in. I don`t like people who only say "X sucks because nobody does Y" but can`t give you a cohesive explanation on how Y should be done in the first place... complaining is easy, pointing problems from above is very easy, casting the world in a grey shadow and saying everything is shit around our own bellybuttons is just too fucking easy... understanding the world around you and actually knowing the real reasons why certain things are the way they are and not some malformed cartoon villain plot... that`s complicated. Requires effort. And the only real way you can possibly make the world better.

I would love to give you all the answers for the shitty problems of this world, i really would. The huge differences in equality and liberty that go beyond the borders of each little individual universe that for some never goes beyond their neighborhood.

Shit is complicated. I wish it was better than it is. I would not be ok with trading a bad system for a worst system, as i`m not stupid to want to trade a bad system for a unknown one. That`s why i don`t get behind pipe dreams... that`s why i question and press every good idea for it`s flaws, to see if they crumble... cause then, when a real idea comes along that is doable and viable, i can get behind it 130% and go after more people to make it happen with the same enthusiasm and fortitude that requires to make any large scale change.

And getting rid of Prisons, federal, state or private is a fucking stupid idea cause nobody has a better system to exchange for right now. The problem is wider and deeper and saying "this sucks, it should be better" will not make a lick of difference for each life that is in that hell suffering today and their families that suffer as much if not more on the same note.

"making money out of prisoners" sounds bad, and i`m sure you can find real examples of it being bad... likewise, i can find you examples of being good, where the money and investment in the facility went into rehabilitation and qualification of those convicted felons so that once they served their time, they were able to re-entry society as human beings with dignity.

It`s not a general thing. Nothing fucking is! The same tree can give good and rotten fruit, but it`s still a fucking moronic idea to burn it`s roots... you can`t generalize... and we can trade back and forth studies and examples all year long if you or anybody wants... but that also accomplishes nothing.

Try to learn, understand, get informed... what is this profit? where is it coming from today? Where is it going? Who is controlling? Who is auditing this system? How is it being used? Does it get re-invested in the system? is it used to help inmates? Does it work better than government controlled facilities? What are it`s positives that can be used and brought to the people who could actually use the help and support? To actually make a prison a place of corrective actions instead of what it is today, of punitive actions.

Sorry, no easy answer... "Free all the drug users! End the Drug War!" may be a fantastic T-Shirt slogan, but it`s laughable as working platform for betterment of society as a whole. At least if that`s all the idea is composed of...

[Professor Smarmiarty]

Did you know that geologists draw their seismograph patterns with time on the Y-axis. Does this mean that seismographs control time? I think yes. Having met some seismologists I am very worried. Little did we know that the Italian government was trying to save us all from the notorious aquila six.