America Is A Terrible Country

[Kim]

It's a bullshit stance because all drugs should be legal because sending people to prison for the drugs they consume makes no sense in any reality whatsoever.

[RobinStarwing]

Originally Posted by Kim

It's a bullshit stance because all drugs should be legal because sending people to prison for the drugs they consume makes no sense in any reality whatsoever.

So drugs like methamphetamine and crack...which have proven dangerous side effects on both the mind and body as well as the production of the former requiring a Hazmat Team and evacuation of the surrounding block or two to clean up with a fire department on hand...should be legalized?

[shiney]

And then we can treat the addictions as a health problem instead of a legal one.

Or you know we can perpetuate the cycle indefinitely, sending addicts to prison where the drugs are every bit as accessible, and give no real support system, and then churn out people who are not rehabilitated in the slightest.

Meth and crack are dangerous, but then they are distributed by criminals because they are illegal. Take the bullets out of the gun.

You are approaching the problem from a criminal perspective. This is part of what's wrong.

As for you Bells, evidently you didn't read my post at all. You are trying to find a silver lining on for-profit prisons. There is no silver lining. Someone is making a profit on someone else's incarceration. This isn't a grey area thing at all. There is no ethical purpose for a for-profit prison, at all. None. Zero. But go ahead and continue to argue that there are merits and benefits to turning a profit by imprisoning someone. This is a path that is gong to end well and people will respect your position a whole lot more if you just insist a little harder.

[Kim]

Yes.

Fun fact: People are less likely to make it in their basements if they aren't at risk of going to prison for trying to get it.

People are more likely to pursue help for its addictive properties if they aren't at risk of going to prison for seeking help.

There is nothing good gained by having it be illegal.

[stefan]

Originally Posted by RobinStarwing

So drugs like methamphetamine and crack...which have proven dangerous side effects on both the mind and body

And this will be solved by prison time how?

[RobinStarwing]

Originally Posted by Kim

Yes.

Fun fact: People are less likely to make it in their basements if they aren't at risk of going to prison for trying to get it.

Still doesn't fix the issue of how dangerous it is to make nor how toxic use of it and exposure to the production is. I am not going to claim if it's safer to make in a lab seeing as I am not a chemist by any means.

People are more likely to pursue help for its addictive properties if they aren't at risk of going to prison for seeking help.

There is nothing good gained by having it be illegal.

Let me ask you a question...is there anyone in your family who has had to deal with addiction either by being an addict or somehow connected to one?

The Addict has to want to change, it is not about fear of going to prison. It's about Insanity...or doing the same thing over and over again expecting different results.

Oh and I say this being the child of addicts...alcohol in my family's case. A purely legal drug if I remember right.

Shiney, this also applies to what you said as well.

Will some people want to change? Yes. Will others refuse too? Yes.

Oh and I still support the illegal/controlled nature of Methamphetamines. If you want a reason...let's go over the effects of them.

Oh and yes, I am well aware of Desoxyephedrine being used to treat ADD/ADHD. This is actually a drug in the four used for Adderall. Levomethamphetamine being a nasal decongestant

[shiney]

The addict may find it easier to want to change if admitting they have a problem doesn't mean they're GOING TO JAIL.

e: In a prison that seeks recidivism so it can continue making a profit.

[Jagos]

Originally Posted by RobinStarwing

So drugs like methamphetamine and crack...which have proven dangerous side effects on both the mind and body as well as the production of the former requiring a Hazmat Team and evacuation of the surrounding block or two to clean up with a fire department on hand...should be legalized?

Portugal and the Netherlands decriminalized drugs.

They have very low crime rates and less problems than the US.

We have OD deaths, a War on Brown People, and the same drug problem from the past 40 years.

Your anecdotal evidence of drugs ruling the streets if legalized?

One word: Prohibition

-e- Just another thought on this... If you legalized drugs, people wouldn't be taking the more harmful street versions of legalized stuff. Further, it could be regulated for safer levels with treatment as well.

[Ryong]

Originally Posted by Jagos

Portugal and the Netherlands decriminalized drugs.

They have very low crime rates and less problems than the US.

Did the decriminalization of drugs actually lower the rates or were they always that low? Don't forget about that.

Originally Posted by shiney

The addict may find it easier to want to change if admitting they have a problem doesn't mean they're GOING TO JAIL.

This, however, is crazy valid.

[Jagos]

Originally Posted by Ryong

Did the decriminalization of drugs actually lower the rates or were they always that low? Don't forget about .

It got lower after being high in the 90s. I think it was 1994 when decriminalization was pursued.