Capcom Ruins Everything

[Arcanum]

• New underground realm to explore featuring over 25 new enemies
• More skills/equipment/augments:
• Level 3 Skills
• DD:DA provides each character class with a new tier of skills, giving players new devastating abilities and skills to master
• Over 100 pieces of new equipment
• All-new high-level weapons and armor sets for players venturing into the underground caverns
• 14 new character/Pawn augments
• New tiers of equipment enhancement
• Increased character customisation options
• Item appraisal
• Option to select Japanese voiceover

That's all the new content. And the latest trailer makes the "new underground area" seem like a new Everfall floor(s) (Of course I could be wrong).

All in all it sounds like $10 DLC material. And they have no reason to not release the additional content as DLC alongside the re-release.

And Capcom has a history of re-releasing games, which is something that should not be condoned or defended. It's bad enough they get away with it with fighters (not to mention the same shit happens with sports games and call of duty).

[Marc v4.0]

Originally Posted by Solid Snake

...Sounds like Dark Arisen just includes the original game for new players so they can catch up without buying the original title too. But purchasing it will just install new content if you've already installed the original game. (Hence the 'retrofitting.') Plus, there are incentives for purchasers of the original game to buy the DLC. Save states carry over, tons of rift crystals and unlimited Ferrystones.

If the expansion content is substantial and significant enough to justify the price, I don't see the issue here at all.

Yeah, I'm with Snake on this one, really. You people have a pretty odd description of 'Ruins Everything'

[Solid Snake]

Originally Posted by Kyanbu The Legend

Keyword "IF".


With Capcom, it could go either way.

Based on the description provided it certainly sounds like they're adding more content than the typical $5 or $10 DLC.

...But I really don't see the issue here unless the 'retrofitting' doesn't work and installing Dark Arisen essentially means having two Dragon's Dogmas on your Hard Drive. (Even then, presumably, you just delete the original DD content without deleting the original DD saves, and your original saves carry over.)

The way this would really be a ripoff is if Capcom forced folks who already played DD to replay the original game because save states from DD wouldn't carry over to Dark Arisen. That would be ridiculous. That's what I initially thought Capcom must've been doing when I first glanced at this thread. Turns out it's not what they're doing at all.

As is for new gamers it's a net positive that a recently released title is included along with the expansion as something of a bonus. The key question is whether the new Expansion content (and the new tweaks like an easier fast travel system that would apply to the original game) justifies the higher price tag. We don't know that yet, but it's possible it will, and if it does then Dark Arisen will actually be one of the best value deals for newcomers I've seen in this generation's DLC and still be worth it for the Vets. And if the DLC turns out to be really shitty, you probably wouldn't buy it in the first place, and it won't stop you from enjoying the original DD content.

In the scheme of things Capcom's down a lot of things lately that are far worse than this (see: that 3DS Resident Evil game.)

[Arcanum]

I admit this is great for new players, and people who haven't played Dragon's Dogma should definitely do so and this will be great for them.

However, this is still a massive slap in the face to the roughly one million people who already purchased DD.

Like I said in my previous post, there is no reason for them to not release the additional content as DLC.

[Solid Snake]

Originally Posted by Arcanum

That's all the new content. And the latest trailer makes the "new underground area" seem like a new Everfall floor(s) (Of course I could be wrong).

All in all it sounds like $10 DLC material. And they have no reason to not release the additional content as downloadable DLC alongside the re-release.

And Capcom has a history of re-releasing games, which is something that should not be condoned or defended. It's bad enough they get away with it with fighters (not to mention the same shit happens with sports games and call of duty).

At worst, you're saying that Capcom is charging $10 more than they should to folks who already own DD, while giving newcomers who don't own DD one of the best deals this console generation. That's your worst-case scenario here, and it already assumes that the DLC content has a $10 pricetag value.

I mean, I've paid $10 for some craptastic DLC. Tales of Graces, which is a phenomenal game, asks you to pay $10 just to access a few costumes. Here we're being promised new enemies, a new island to explore, increased ease of access and fast travel that will apply even to replays of the original title, new costumes, free ferrystones and rift crystals...I mean, this sounds like it has the potential to be a legitimate old-school style expansion.

It may not be, in which case it's just disappointing overpriced DLC. But the whole "re-releasing Dragon's Dogma and including it with the DLC" argument is a terribad one. It's something that's a huge net gain to encourage new players to join in. It's not hurting you as a DD veteran unless the new content doesn't justify the pricetag.

EDIT: You seem to be assuming that Dark Arisen would be worth less than $20 if it wasn't packaged with the original game, and therefore Capcom's gouging veterans by overcharging them for a second copy of the original game. But, isn't that what the extra incentives (ferrystones, rift crystals, costumes) are for? And who's to say that Capcom didn't value the Dark Arisen expansion on its own as worth $20 in value, but just tossed in the main game for free to encourage newcomers to join in and increase the userbase?

...Would you have been this angry if Capcom packaged Dark Arisen as just a DLC, without the original game, but still charged $20 and instead advocated that the DLC was worth the $20 pricetag? Wouldn't you then say something like, "Let's wait and see, after the reviews are out we can determine whether Capcom overcharged or not?" There's nothing different here.

[Kyanbu The Legend]

Originally Posted by Solid Snake

Based on the description provided it certainly sounds like they're adding more content than the typical $5 or $10 DLC.

...But I really don't see the issue here unless the 'retrofitting' doesn't work and installing Dark Arisen essentially means having two Dragon's Dogmas on your Hard Drive. (Even then, presumably, you just delete the original DD content without deleting the original DD saves, and your original saves carry over.)

The way this would really be a ripoff is if Capcom forced folks who already played DD to replay the original game because save states from DD wouldn't carry over to Dark Arisen. That would be ridiculous. That's what I initially thought Capcom must've been doing when I first glanced at this thread. Turns out it's not what they're doing at all.

As is for new gamers it's a net positive that a recently released title is included along with the expansion as something of a bonus. The key question is whether the new Expansion content (and the new tweaks like an easier fast travel system that would apply to the original game) justifies the higher price tag. We don't know that yet, but it's possible it will, and if it does then Dark Arisen will actually be one of the best value deals for newcomers I've seen in this generation's DLC and still be worth it for the Vets. And if the DLC turns out to be really shitty, you probably wouldn't buy it in the first place, and it won't stop you from enjoying the original DD content.

In the scheme of things Capcom's down a lot of things lately that are far worse than this (see: that 3DS Resident Evil game.)

Honestly while you have a point, this is still capcom, the same company that sold the Japanese MM fanbase a rereleased MMBN1 with a few perks and disgused it as a new "cross-over" game sold at full price. Thankfully, that thing never saw the light of day over seas.

I want Capcom to be awesome-ish again as much as the next guy but I'm not going to hold my breath on anything just yet. Not till they're on a roll again.

[Arcanum]

Originally Posted by Solid Snake

EDIT: You seem to be assuming that Dark Arisen would be worth less than $20 if it wasn't packaged with the original game, and therefore Capcom's gouging veterans by overcharging them for a second copy of the original game. But, isn't that what the extra incentives (ferrystones, rift crystals, costumes) are for? And who's to say that Capcom didn't value the Dark Arisen expansion on its own as worth $20 in value, but just tossed in the main game for free to encourage newcomers to join in and increase the userbase?

...Would you have been this angry if Capcom packaged Dark Arisen as just a DLC, without the original game, but still charged $20 and instead advocated that the DLC was worth the $20 pricetag? Wouldn't you then say something like, "Let's wait and see, after the reviews are out we can determine whether Capcom overcharged or not?" There's nothing different here.

Yes, I would be just as angry. It's not hard to look at a list of content and judge its relative worth.

Your faith in Capcom is nice, but hilariously naive. They have a history of pulling this kind of bullshit. It's not acceptable.

[Solid Snake]

Originally Posted by Arcanum

Your faith in Capcom is nice, but hilariously naive. They have a history of pulling this kind of bullshit. It's not acceptable.

Uhh, no. I'm going to say a big fat "no" on this one.

The new content is:

* New location to explore. Presumably new missions and whatnot, too. The two articles linked to seem to disagree as to whether it's underground or on an island. Maybe both.
* Streamlining fast travel for both the expansion and the original game.
* New tier of abilities for every class, and for the pawns too.
* 25 new enemies with new attacks and abilities to fight.
* Lots of new equipment.
* Better menu and interface.
* Japanese voiceovers available.
* The original game is included for newcomers which is a fucking insanely awesome deal for them.
* The vets get free ferrystones and rift crystals 'instead', which are actually items being sold right now in the DD section of the store.
* All the new features are accessible with original save files. Furthermore, the new content doesn't just apply to the expansion, but to any theoretical replay you attempt of the original game.

By contrast, let's look at some DLC provided by other companies that aren't Capcom:

* Far Cry 3 is charging $10 to unlock six new missions, four rare animals to hunt and a new weapon.
* Assassin's Creed 3 is charging $29.99 for the Tyranny of King George extra content.
* Dead Island charges $10 to access "four arenas" of, uhh, fighting waves of zombies.
* FFXIII-2 charges $3 per costume (with enough optional costumes to buy for Noel, Serah, and Mog to easily eclipse $20.) Plus, to unlock a SINGLE new boss in the Coliseum costs $2. A SINGLE new weapon unlock is $1.
* Mass Effect 3's Omega expansion costs $15 and it's not that long. Hell, you don't even get new content with any of Shepard's squadmates there. It's a few new missions tied together with a single storyline. Want to get a few new weapons and costumes with that expansion? You're paying over $20.
* Unlocking a few new vehicles in Saints Row the Third cost $3 apiece, with total costs of unlocking several costumes, vehicles and weapons approaching $20 fast before you even get to new missions.
* New TAUNTS for multiplayer cost $1 each in Uncharted 3. A single new multiplayer mode costs $6. Individual pieces of a single cowboy outfit for your multiplayer avatar will cost a net total of more than $6 if you purchase them all. There are 333 add-ons total.
* Individual costumes for characters in Tales of Graces cost $4 apiece. To purchase an outfit for every character in any given party would cost $16. That's $16 for four goddamn costumes.

...And you think THIS is an example of Capcom at its worst? This is a far better DLC deal than most the ones I'm seeing on the Playstation Store.

[Grandmaster_Skweeb]

Monster Hunter Frontier Online is likely never to cross the great pond. Therefore, capcom is and always will be terrible.

/end thread.

[Azisien]

Since I'm pro-murdering all physical publishing of games, every time a physical game is published or re-published with new content, it ruins everything. Everything gets ruined all the time though, so who cares.

I didn't play the original Dragon's Dogma, so I guess this little bundle is actually great for me. Despite whoever's misgivings at the move, they probably just made a sale thanks to this thread.