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[Ryong]

Originally Posted by Jagos

... This wasn't a date... Why are you bringing that up?

You can go on a date with Paz in Peace Walker and she'll be in her underwear.

I think she also poses for camera shots?

...But then again, she's also not underage, she's aware that she looks younger than she is and uses that as part of her fake identity.

Never played a whole lot of Peace Walker, though, but I know that's a thing.

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Originally Posted by Jagos

Maybe it's the nostalgia talking but are you sure that MGS didn't show signs of some darker and grittier content as Bells has stated?

MGS1 tends to set a serious tone, most of the time.

MGS2 has a lot of meta crap and is rather silly or over-the-top several times, is otherwise serious.

MGS3 focuses on war being terrible for soldiers.

MGS4 is a clusterfuck of everything.

Peace Walker is about trying to make war less terrible for soldiers.

Rising, with its comedic over-the-top everything has a guy kidnapping children, removing their brains and then training them to use in robotic assassins.

Originally Posted by Solid Snake

MGS is a crazy ass ludicrous narrative with bee-superpowers and mind-readers and nuclear equipped mechs and NANOMACHINES and clones. It is a fantasy series that takes a lot of fantastical liberties and it's a great place to show empowered women, not so much to explore why they're disempowered and victimized in reality.

The Boss is literally the best soldier in existence who sees a bigger potential on an apprentice of hers and then participates in a crazy plan, with a great deal of self-sacrifice, which will set in motion a drive and a way for her apprentice to make her wishes come true, even if she doesn't live to see it happen. It ultimately fails, I guess, but hey.

On that note, I'd like to, eventually, discuss why women portrayed in roles where they endure things are regarded as weaker than if they were independent. Take Final Fantasy 10's Yuna as an example, who faces the self-sacrifice for the greater good with a smile, is alright with being marked as an enemy of the only religion there is in the world, which is also part of the government and is regarded as being in a weak supporting role and then in the sequel she's independent, eye-candy and definitely not as smart, but she's making her own choices so she's strong!

EVA switches between being a femme fatale, a scatterbrained beauty and a capable soldier, because she's a damn good double-agent.

Para-Medic is also a ridiculously powerful woman, being the main force behind the Les Enfants Terribles project.

Paz is

I can't argue about others because I honestly know the most about the events leading up to MGS1 and 2 than anything else.

[Solid Snake]

Originally Posted by Ryong

...But then again, she's also not underage, she's aware that she looks younger than she is and uses that as part of her fake identity.

Like with Nowi from Fire Emblem, claiming that a character is in fact "older than she looks" as a justification to include sexual content with a character who legitimately appears underage is creepy as hell.

...But yes, presumably Paz is actually approximately 24 years old when Peace Walker happens. She's just pretending to be younger. I just don't think that counts for anything, because instead of doing all that convoluted bullshit Kojima could've just concocted a character who actually looked her age.

Anyway, I'm working on a long-ass "Women of Metal Gear" synopsis but that's going to take me a while longer, I'm still only about halfway into MGS2.

[Ryong]

Originally Posted by Solid Snake

Like with Nowi from Fire Emblem, claiming that a character is in fact "older than she looks" as a justification to include sexual content with a character who legitimately appears underage is creepy as hell.

It is.

But that's not exactly the deal with Paz. Nowi behaves like a child but since she's actually thousands of years old she can totally date and marry.

Paz pretends to be a idealistic, harmless, innocent 16 year old exactly because she's a spy who needs to be the least threatening possible...And she plays upon the notion that all men are perverts, I suppose.

Unfortunately, I don't know if she ever does show her true self, so yeah.

I guess I should add: I in no way support the portrayal of the Beauties and how most official art of Paz involves her wearing nothing but her underwear. That's just unnecessary sexualization.

Originally Posted by greed

Making them all women was kinda off putting and terrible though. Also no MGS has never been a serious or gritty anything. It's has always been a goofy, dumb over the top spy action thing, with fantastic realist elements mixed in for flavour. The crap in MGSV is like if someone jammed I dunno audio of McClane's wife being raped by terrorists in Die Hard 2 or something. It's not just tasteless and abhorrent, it does not fit the series at all.

In MGS3, aside from Snake's obsession with killing and eating every animal he finds, everything is handled pretty seriously. Yeah, sure, some people have magic powers, but that's just the way it is.