Cindy Sheehan > Jane Fonda

[TheSpacePope]

I do agree with you that she is going about it in a better way than Fonda; however, a lesser extent of 'evil' is still evil.

I don't think calling shehann "evil" is appropriate, she is an activist fighting for what she believes in. She is doing it the correct way and She is not "dissenting" AS they say, because she is not calling for a change in the government of the people in charge, she is preaching for a pullout of the troops in iraq. AND FRANKLY, I think that we need a better spokesperson.

Its the equivalent of owning a resturant, and having a plate of shit as your mascot.

[bredofchaos]

lol mmm shit I'd go there!

I didn't call her evil directly, it was more so a figure of speech applied to the situation without having to explain more than I had to....like this :P

[Toastburner B]

Er…I’d be a little more careful in using Cindy Sheehan as a “good” example.

Her rhetoric aside, I believe she is a bad example of how to protest because she is protesting using the names of people who don’t want to be associated with her. At “Camp Casey” (her camp outside of the Bush’s ranch), she set up display of white crosses bearing the names of fallen soldiers. Several parents requested that their children’s names be removed from the display. They weren’t. Some went down and removed the crosses in person. They were replaced. (source)(source #2 for people who don't like wikipedia)


If you are going to protest on behalf of fallen soldiers, at least have the respect to honor the wishes of the parents who don’t want their children’s names involved in your protest.

[Archbio]

If you are going to protest on behalf of fallen soldiers, at least have the respect to honor the wishes of the parents who don’t want their children’s names involved in your protest.

I'd just note at this point that I've often heard (even while mostly keeping my head out of this particular topic) 'pro-war' people (and I'm sure that I remember George W Bush implying the same) speaking for dead US soldiers with apparently no consideration for what they, or their parents, wish/wished or believe/believed.

This is most apparent in criticism of Cindy Sheehan herself, as I've heard critics of her presuming that her son would not agree.

Of course these people aren't going through the trouble of mounting displays marking individual names, for obvious reasons.

Edit: This is just to try and point out that the disapproval of the use of the names of dead soldiers when their parents object is perhaps too influenced by the message in favor of which this use is made. Personally I'm not sure how much control a parent has over their children's name, and how much they should have.

[plustax101]

I hate oil comapines jacking up prices. Those arses who mine it deserve to die on the godforsaken rig in a hurricane not those ceo's goodness no they have a modest salary.

[shiney]

What the fuck? Negative rep and a huge warning for retarded and blatant threadjacking. Don't be a moron, guy.

[plustax101]

Um, I was thinking like Jane Fonda.

[Wetflame]

Originally Posted by Raerlynn

You can. And it's not hard to stay on this particular topic. The topic isn't "Why I don't like Cindy Sheehan" its "Why I think Cindy Sheehan is better than Jane Fonda." It doesn't take much in the reading department to grasp that one.

ON TOPIC: The plus side is that unlike Ms. Fonda, she is not raving and ranting at troops and encouraging hateful behaviour at military funerals, like some people are known to do, and is instead aiming the blame at Bush, (although I maintain that Congress is the one to yell at over this).

I'm sorry, but you really can't in this case anyway. What else are we going to talk about? The only way to properly debate the topic at hand is if you delve into each of their methods, which is going to raise questions, and a debate on the whole will ensue.

If you are going to protest on behalf of fallen soldiers, at least have the respect to honor the wishes of the parents who don’t want their children’s names involved in your protest.

Since when would the parents truly know what their children would have thought or wanted? Honestly? It's a case of THEM not wanting to be associated with. We can't know either way whether the dead soldiers would have wanted it or not. Not that I 100% agree with it, but I can't see how it's such a crime, and I have to laugh at the people calling Cindy Sheehan "Evil".

[Raerlynn]

Originally Posted by Wetflame

Since when would the parents truly know what their children would have thought or wanted? Honestly? It's a case of THEM not wanting to be associated with. We can't know either way whether the dead soldiers would have wanted it or not. Not that I 100% agree with it, but I can't see how it's such a crime, and I have to laugh at the people calling Cindy Sheehan "Evil".

So...wait. You're saying that the parents of a soldier who perished in Iraq wouldn't know their own child better than a complete stranger like Cindy Sheehan? And that further more, its acceptable to use that soldier's name to wage political war against the very thing that the soldier died defending?

So, by your logic, I can go find someone in your family who has perished, and make him/her into the posterboy/girl of any cause? And you don't get a say in it, regardless of how offensive it is to you or your surviving family? Do you have any clue as to how heartless and blatantly disrespectful that sounds?

I'm also pretty sure it's illegal to use the name and likeness of another without their, or their next of kin's in the case of the deceased, express permission.

[TheSpacePope]

I'm also pretty sure it's illegal to use the name and likeness of another without their, or their next of kin's in the case of the deceased, express permission.

only in the case where monetary gain is involved
while i don't agree with her methods, id' still say that she is a might bit better than jane fonda