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Unread 05-10-2008, 02:19 PM   #41
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Oh, you know what?

I am sick to death of Hot Chick Witches in the 20th Century Named Rhiannon. They will always be arrogant bitches with burning loins for Unwitting Hot Normal Male Protagonist. Good god, people, originality.

Oh, I mentioned this before, but now I've got some thoughts as to why it bugs me so bad: Making characters pair up because they are "destined to be together" just because they're in a mile radius of each other and happen to be male and female.

Pretty much because I was told "It's nothing like the rest of her books," my family insisted that I read a series from Nora Roberts that was based about killing vampires and time-travelling wizards. Now, this should be interesting. Turns out that the entire first book was just an excuse to get the protagonists together. I thought, well, okay, as a writer sometimes I can understand the urges to make romance sub-plots compulsively. I do it sometimes. She's forgiven.

THREE PAGES INTO the second book she's already pairing up a ranger from the past with a leather-clad vampire hunter from the present. Wait, what? What the hell, why?! So I open the third book and flip to the middle. The remaining two protagonists are having sex.

I put the books down and swore I'd never even try any book from her ever. I hate unnecessary pairings that make them out to be meant to be together. It's trite and cliche and stupid.

And for that matter; why not have on-the-adventure breakups? I mean, shit, sometimes it really doesn't work out. I think it'd be an interesting mechanic to have a couple get together for Made For Each Other Sex and then a month later realize that they annoy the crap out of one another.
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Unread 05-10-2008, 02:28 PM   #42
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Agreed. And also when it's multiplied by an insane number so you have the pair getting it on every ten pages or so. Seriously, this happens in every book in Jean Auel's "Earth's Children" series after The Valley of Horses. No matter what's going on or who's around, Ayla's gettin' some action. It's ridiculous.

Perfect action too, I might add. You'd think Cro-Magnon man would be rather clumsy about it.
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Unread 05-10-2008, 03:25 PM   #43
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Most of my peeves have been discussed but I'd like to discuss the modern sci fi universe, mainly Laurell K...

Now I'm all for the beginning when it was about Anita being a detective taking jobs and having a greedy boss who is a scrooge, she had a choice of two men for being a cross between living and dead

HOWEVER! For goodness gracious by book 4 she has a harem of guys she's mad in love crazy for. And the grizly, educated murders took a HUGE backseat to her sex life. And she was celibate until about book 3... Seriously, if I wanted a romance novel, I would have picked up one.

There were only so many chances for her. I read up to book 7 (names just don't matter) There's so many plot threads that are open while so few are closed I just wasn't interested anymore. The minor characters haven't been given their proper dues and I just don't feel she cares anymore. The curse of Anne Rice strikes...
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Unread 05-10-2008, 04:03 PM   #44
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Edit: Okay, just one more, which I'm putting in plain view because I feel strongly about it.

Darkness =/= evil.

Seriously. Drop it. If darkness were evil, we'd all melt into puddles of ooze from our own shadows. Because they'd be 3V1L~!!! Darkness is no more evil than light, and tends to do less damage to your eyes. But I have yet to see a big bad going around blinding people, much less doing so to gain the upper hand against the hero in the final battle.
Among other things, this has always struck me as kind of racist.

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the thing i hate most in fiction is the same thing you guys hate most in fiction... cookie cuter villains.

"I'll be baldly bad because baldly bad is being what i was born to be"
I actually love villains like that. Like say, Skeletor. If you were to ask Skeletor so hey Skeletor, why you gotta be evil all the time? He'd be like "Cause I'm motherfucking Skeletor, what do you think! I've got a fuckin' skull for a face, you think I'm gonna go around being nice to people?"

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or 'sex' (as in, her sex, his sex, etc., referring to genitalia).
Oh lord every time I see that one I start getting heaves.
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Unread 05-10-2008, 04:07 PM   #45
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I guess the thing I hate most about fiction is boring prose.
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Unread 05-10-2008, 04:42 PM   #46
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I actually love villains like that. Like say, Skeletor. If you were to ask Skeletor so hey Skeletor, why you gotta be evil all the time? He'd be like "Cause I'm motherfucking Skeletor, what do you think! I've got a fuckin' skull for a face, you think I'm gonna go around being nice to people?".
The thing i "Like" the most about it is that big villains dont seem to to think the "after sucess"... like "Hey! You just conquered everything/Killed everyone! now what?" "Aw... i dunno... launch?"
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Unread 05-10-2008, 06:00 PM   #47
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Dunno about the destroyed-everything deal (although Darkseid and Annihilus have both had pretty good ideas of how that one would work) but I generally assume the conquering thing generally involves a lot of telling people to do whatever you like, murdering little people for kicks, and generally swanking around wherever you like as if you own the place, which in point of fact, you do.
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Unread 05-10-2008, 06:40 PM   #48
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Among other things, this has always struck me as kind of racist.
I really don't see that.

Darkness = peril/unknown = evil is a psychological association with fairly obvious origins. It's been done a lot, but it's not silly in itself. Not that the metaphor has never been extended to race, but I don't think it's there to to begin with.

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Unread 05-10-2008, 07:01 PM   #49
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Actually, a lot of Authors do it badly... in a sense that it comes out as

Red/black = dark = darkness = evil = black
White/Blue = Light = Hollyness = Good = white

when it's badly done... can look quite Racist
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Unread 05-10-2008, 09:44 PM   #50
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Really "good" evil characters don't necessarily consider themselves to be evil.


On a side note, I'm about halfway (maybe) done writing an original novel. The good folks over at Absolute Write have been quite helpful, but I'd also like an outside perspective when I'm done because they're just too damn supportive. Would anyone here be interested in reading the pre-edit?
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