The Older Republic

[Nikose Tyris]

Originally Posted by Solid Snake

God damn it all to hell.
You know why this pisses me off? Because KOTOR and KOTOR2 established such great things and now Bioware's all like "instead of actually continuing the series, we're just going to fastforward 300 years and pretend nothing happened."
I was hoping this would at least be a prequel to KOTOR as that would still leave us some reasonable sense of hope that KOTOR3 was going to come out someday and pick up where KOTOR2 left off.

...the impact of the game in KOTOR and KOTOR2 are impacting this game. in fact, what you did in that game relates to, and is referenced in this game. that's... kind of why it's 300 years in the future, to see the long term consequences too.

and wow the community is fucking hostile. Staying away from this one.

[Mesden]

The KOTOR games were excellent but massive cliffhangers. Instead of finishing the absolutely incredible story of what the fuck Revan and the Exile are doing, they're doing a flashforward, no doubt with a star wars block of scrolling exposition, quite possibly completely ruining what could have been a great game in KOTOR 3, especially considering we get to learn about what Revan and the Exile did second hand in this game instead of, you know, actually playing it out.

It's a waste of one of the few remaining excellent star wars story lines in the quest for more money.

[ironymaster]

It's like I said, bioware is overhyped and overrated. Their decision for this only seems to prove my point. This is how bioware works folks. Atleast this time we can see the shit coming instead of paying for it upfront.

[POS Industries]

Originally Posted by Mesden

The KOTOR games were excellent but massive cliffhangers. Instead of finishing the absolutely incredible story of what the fuck Revan and the Exile are doing, they're doing a flashforward, no doubt with a star wars block of scrolling exposition, quite possibly completely ruining what could have been a great game in KOTOR 3, especially considering we get to learn about what Revan and the Exile did second hand in this game instead of, you know, actually playing it out.

It's a waste of one of the few remaining excellent star wars story lines in the quest for more money.

Or the events in this game won't closely relate to the plots of the KOTOR games at all outside of some occasional namedropping, which is more likely. Seeing as this isn't KOTOR 3 and all. That's specifically why it's not called "Knights of the Old Republic" and set 300 years after the events of the KOTOR series, so that they can potentially make KOTOR 3 without having the plot ruined by the MMO.

I mean, what's the spoiler alert here? That the Galactic Republic still exists and there's a Jedi Order? Well, that was a given considering that they also exist in the film series. All this will be is a Star Wars MMO without the massive continuity pitfalls that Galaxies had and developed by BioWare.

Originally Posted by Solid Snake

God damn it all to hell.
You know why this pisses me off? Because KOTOR and KOTOR2 established such great things and now Bioware's all like "instead of actually continuing the series, we're just going to fastforward 300 years and pretend nothing happened."
I was hoping this would at least be a prequel to KOTOR as that would still leave us some reasonable sense of hope that KOTOR3 was going to come out someday and pick up where KOTOR2 left off.

This is a more valid complaint, but the likelihood of KOTOR 3 ever existing was slim to none. BioWare doesn't like to make sequels, which is why they handed it to Obsidian. This wasn't necessarily a bad thing, except that what Obsidian wanted to do was far grander than the time LucasArts had given them, and every other RPG developer who might have been interested in taking over the series after that knows from Obsidian's experience how unbearable working with Lucas' people is.

There's very little chance of anyone being able to reconcile making a good game with a fully developed story while conforming to LucasArts' unreasonable standards, and so no one will ever take on the task of making KOTOR 3. Ever.

Originally Posted by ironymaster

It's like I said, bioware is overhyped and overrated. Their decision for this only seems to prove my point. This is how bioware works folks. Atleast this time we can see the shit coming instead of paying for it upfront.

Originally Posted by ironymaster

It won't matter, bioware is only going to release HALF the content anyway. Their going to make the rest of it into an expansion pack and make you pay money for it. They couldn't make a complete game these days if their lives depended on it.

Next stop, abundance of high level dungeons, fuck the rest of us...

Your constant terrible mood and overwhelming negativity is quite infectious and it's wearing thin on me.

[Fenris]

Ironymaster, if you don't reduce the spam levels about 900% in all of your posts and tone down your "the sky is falling all game companies are evil" bullshit then we are gonna have words, son.

And by words, I mean, "me banning you."

Consider this your only warning.

[Rokrin]

Thank you...I've been to Bioware's Edmonton office, they're not that bad at all. All very nice, hard-working people who make good games.

I wouldn't be surprised if part of the reason for setting it 300 years in the future is that, if the MMO flops, they could go back and make a "true" KOTOR 3 and it wouldn't have to be affected by the MMO.

[Sithdarth]

In short, boycott the MMO and petition Bioware for KOTOR 3. Then when they refuse boycott their other games and again petition for KOTOR 3. Finally when that fails its time for torches and pitch forks.

I'm cautiously optimistic that an MMO developed from the ground up around a squad will actually implement the squad decently. Should that be pulled off then it should add a dimension and complexity to the game sufficient to make enough unlike any other MMO so as to be worth playing. Plus I want to build me some light sabers and force lightening things to death.

Which reminds me they need to keep all that weapon and armor customization stuff and the ability to have cross alignment force powers. I will not accept anything less.

[Mirai Gen]

so that they can potentially make KOTOR 3

Stop me if I'm wrong here?

Didn't they specifically say that The Old Republic was going to be KOTOR 3 through 11+?

I mean this is the main reason that I'm leery about The Old Republic - with the entire flood of World of Warcraft clones and imitations there and only there to make them giant piles of cash, Bioware seems to be forgetting that their single-player games are what we actually want.

[POS Industries]

What do you mean "we," paleface?

I personally wanted a MMO set in the KOTOR era after the first game. And yes, he did say that this is sorta like KOTORs 3 through 11, but he also said that they aren't making KOTOR 3. Basically, the guy was talking out of his ass because they don't have a lot cemented yet insofar as content, it would seem.

And where is this flood you keep talking about? I mean, there are only a handful out now and in development, an insignificant number when compared to the countless non-MMO games that have been put out and are in development. And the bulk of them don't see so much of the light of day outside Asia. Only two new ones have been of any public interest this year (not counting sequels to MMOs that already existed), to my memory.

I mean, here's the thing: Anytime either a new Star Wars game or a new BioWare game is announced, the bulk of the internet starts complaining that it's not KOTOR 3. Yes, we liked the first two games and a third would be fantastic. But guess what? It is never going to happen. LucasArts' jerkery during KOTOR 2's development ruined it for everybody. The end.

Also, I am sick to death of all the bitching about MMOs. It's all just the "my game is more hardcore than your game" dick measurement that makes the entire gamer community look bad. What's that? A monthly fee to maintain server upkeep while still maintaining a reasonable profit? Expansions you have to buy for new content every couple years after everyone has already played through the old content a bazillion times? Those money-grubbing bastards! How dare they violate our trust! To the Impotentragemobile!

ALL GAME COMPANIES EXIST TO MAKE AS MUCH MONEY AS POSSIBLE.

And MMOs have proven themselves profitable. Why? Because people find them fun. Does that mean you have to find it fun? No! I don't like sports games. Do I rage about the yearly version of Madden? Of course not.

Will BioWare stop making single-player games because they made an MMO? Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo. So get off it already and let some people have their probably-better-implemented-than-Galaxies Star Wars MMO. Cripes.

Also, way to quote out of context, by the way. Fine work disregarding the whole part where they are never going to actually make KOTOR 3 ever.

[Mirai Gen]

What do you mean "we," paleface?

Woo, mud slinging! Now we're real men!

Also, way to quote out of context, by the way. Fine work disregarding the whole part where they are never going to actually make KOTOR 3 ever.

Well let's see here then.

Originally Posted by Horse's Fucking Mouth

While the cash-minting potential of The Old Republic has executives salivating, many BioWare fans were disappointed the series didn't return to its single-player RPG roots. "There are a lot of reasons why we decided not to do KOTOR 3, and why we decided to do this as an MMO instead," said Nichols. "The unique aspect of storytelling, which is really differentiated for this game, is something the KOTOR franchise did very well, and we felt that just doing a single-player experience with a new KOTOR really misses the opportunity to take this out to a much wider audience."

"One of the things we like to joke about is just the sheer amount of content we're doing," Ohlen mused. "Our fans ask, 'Why aren't you doing Knights of the Old Republic 3?' What we're really doing is Knights of the Old Republic 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, and 12-plus. We have that much content and that many stories...We really get to do a lot of things we really wouldn't get to do in [a] KOTOR 3."

Again.

"There are a lot of reasons why we decided not to do KOTOR 3, and why we decided to do this as an MMO instead," said Nichols.

If I'm taking him out of context, he needs better context.

Also, yes I am complaining about them making an MMO instead of a single player. Because they have specifically said they are doing an MMO instead of KOTOR 3. Instead of. Meaning we don't get it, and if we do, it'll be years.

Hell, I'm actually interested in The Old Republic, albeit tenuously and rapidly slipping.

And where is this flood you keep talking about?

Cartoon Network and Stargate have MMOs. That's not even the beginning of it.

It doesn't mean much in the face of all the other games that are being released, yes, but that's completely different.