#1133: "Dun, Dun, Dunnnnnn!" - Page 9

Fifthfiend · 05-28-2009, 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Regulus Tera

It wasn't a compliment. More like a BRIAN YOU ARE AN ARSE. :/

It was a pretty sweet burn before Ninesy ruined it.

Heresy488 · 05-28-2009, 03:02 PM

Just wanted to point something out. What really happened was, a character important to the plot of the strip (even if he's a minor character of the strip) said he is the older version of a character completely meaningless to the strip and plot, and he will now get revenge for past crimes done unto him.

The "twist" only comes in that Onion Kid was easily forgettable. He didn't matter. It was unexpected because the writer so cunningly made a character no one cared about. This kind of storytelling just doesn't impress me.

Is the moral of the story that you should be nice to everyone all the time, because no one can predict how events will unfold? Wow, that's original. This story will break the mold. Eight years in the making, I was hoping the story would deliver something more profound just to justify it's own longevity.

The delivery of this "revelation" (I don't think anyone really cares, it doesn't matter who Onion Kid grows up to be) would have been better had there been foreshadowing that the Light Warriors would have their comeuppance, or that there would be negative consequences to their actions.

But the story sabotages itself by making the focus of the story on characters who are willing to endure hardship so long as they can fulfill their childish bully mentality wherever they go. Contemporary punishment philosophies make use of shame, incapacitation, and suffering. Well, the Light Warriors are shameless, have the ability (or the luck) to circumvent any incarceration (or can evade having their abilities removed), and are unphased by suffering.

So where is the salvation? The Light Warriors aren't even anti-heroes, and they aren't the villains either. This story, while entertaining in a sideways kind of way, is completely pointless. The main characters are not sympathetic and the god-being who will balance the universe is just as twisted as they are. THERE WERE genuine fate entities in the story, but somehow they were impotent.

This whole story is completely pointless. It doesn't proliferate modern values, it doesn't justify it's own existence, this story (when contrasted with other stories) is a retard-baby with a machine gun, begging to not be judged for the atrocities it has committed. "Take me at face-value and have a good time."

"Yes, except you're insane and the stories told are absurd."

LTGM · 05-28-2009, 03:09 PM

Yes but that's really the joke of the story. It leads you along, wanting to make you believe it has a point or a justification and then at the end you realize that you've been following it for 8 years, waiting for a meaning that you'll never get. The joke's on you.

Kim · 05-28-2009, 03:09 PM

Thanks for posting that Heresy. I needed a good laugh.

Heresy488 · 05-28-2009, 03:10 PM

Reminds me of his damn book that I suffered through. At least that sucker had a last page. AND an ending. AND a turnaround of the main character which explained his prior weirdness, leading him to become a better hero.

The blood was a little graphic though.

UndrDog · 05-28-2009, 03:11 PM

I'm still failing to see how RM is being roped in as a bad guy. Sure he's not 100% virtuous, but he's not anything like Thief or BM.

But anyway I'm still confused. Of course what BM did to Onion Kid could fester in his mind over the years and make him insane. But as of right now he's still a nice kid. I'unno, it just seems to me more has to be done to turn him into some crazy. I mean it makes sense for Sarda to be a jerk to the Light Warriors. But why is he mean to WM who has protected and healed him? And the "other" warriors? I mean they could've been dealt with in a less murderous fashion.

Regulus Tera · 05-28-2009, 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Heresy488

Is the moral of the story that you should be nice to everyone all the time, because no one can predict how events will unfold? Wow, that's original. This story will break the mold. Eight years in the making, I was hoping the story would deliver something more profound just to justify it's own longevity.

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This whole story is completely pointless. It doesn't proliferate modern values, it doesn't justify it's own existence, this story (when contrasted with other stories) is a retard-baby with a machine gun, begging to not be judged for the atrocities it has committed. "Take me at face-value and have a good time."

"Yes, except you're insane and the stories told are absurd."

Panthera · 05-28-2009, 03:15 PM

He's mean to WM because she took the universe away from him, so he decided to teleport her to a pocket dimension as soon as he met her. That whole ruining his life's ambition thing trumps the fact she was nice to him.

stefan · 05-28-2009, 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by UndrDog

I'm still failing to see how RM is being roped in as a bad guy. Sure he's not 100% virtuous, but he's not anything like Thief or BM.

I think you forgot the bit where he disassembled chocobos with a chainsaw and grafted them back together into a mound of agonized flesh that yearns for death.

The Wizard Who Did It · 05-28-2009, 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Heresy488

Is the moral of the story that you should be nice to everyone all the time, because no one can predict how events will unfold?

Dear god man, you're trying to come up with a moral before the story is even done? We don't even know (for sure) if we've really reached the climax yet. How the hell can you even begin talking about "the moral of the story"!

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So where is the salvation?

Maybe it's coming, maybe it's not. The story isn't done yet.

Also, it isn't necessary for salvation to be reached to have a good story. I'm not sure how I can explain this, other than saying that being forced to fit the morals you're teaching into a mold makes most of the story telling process useless.

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Eight years in the making, I was hoping the story would deliver something more profound just to justify it's own longevity.

Why? Longevity has almost nothing to do with how profound something is. Lord of the Rings and The Count of Monte Cristo aren't particularly profound, as much as they are lengthy. On the other end of the spectrum, there exists good ol' Heart of Darkness!

05-28-2009, 03:09 PM	#83
LTGM Goomba Join Date: May 2009 Location: In a very big state that has horrendous weather. Posts: 15	Yes but that's really the joke of the story. It leads you along, wanting to make you believe it has a point or a justification and then at the end you realize that you've been following it for 8 years, waiting for a meaning that you'll never get. The joke's on you. __________________ Do know what's really scary? You want to forget something. Totally wipe it off your mind. But you never can. It can't go away, you see. And... and it follows you around like a ghost.

05-28-2009, 03:09 PM	#84
Kim adorable Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 12,950	Thanks for posting that Heresy. I needed a good laugh. __________________ this post is about how to successfully H the Kimmy

05-28-2009, 03:02 PM	#82
Heresy488 Sent to the cornfield Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 80	Just wanted to point something out. What really happened was, a character important to the plot of the strip (even if he's a minor character of the strip) said he is the older version of a character completely meaningless to the strip and plot, and he will now get revenge for past crimes done unto him. The "twist" only comes in that Onion Kid was easily forgettable. He didn't matter. It was unexpected because the writer so cunningly made a character no one cared about. This kind of storytelling just doesn't impress me. Is the moral of the story that you should be nice to everyone all the time, because no one can predict how events will unfold? Wow, that's original. This story will break the mold. Eight years in the making, I was hoping the story would deliver something more profound just to justify it's own longevity. The delivery of this "revelation" (I don't think anyone really cares, it doesn't matter who Onion Kid grows up to be) would have been better had there been foreshadowing that the Light Warriors would have their comeuppance, or that there would be negative consequences to their actions. But the story sabotages itself by making the focus of the story on characters who are willing to endure hardship so long as they can fulfill their childish bully mentality wherever they go. Contemporary punishment philosophies make use of shame, incapacitation, and suffering. Well, the Light Warriors are shameless, have the ability (or the luck) to circumvent any incarceration (or can evade having their abilities removed), and are unphased by suffering. So where is the salvation? The Light Warriors aren't even anti-heroes, and they aren't the villains either. This story, while entertaining in a sideways kind of way, is completely pointless. The main characters are not sympathetic and the god-being who will balance the universe is just as twisted as they are. THERE WERE genuine fate entities in the story, but somehow they were impotent. This whole story is completely pointless. It doesn't proliferate modern values, it doesn't justify it's own existence, this story (when contrasted with other stories) is a retard-baby with a machine gun, begging to not be judged for the atrocities it has committed. "Take me at face-value and have a good time." "Yes, except you're insane and the stories told are absurd."

05-28-2009, 03:10 PM	#85
Heresy488 Sent to the cornfield Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 80	Reminds me of his damn book that I suffered through. At least that sucker had a last page. AND an ending. AND a turnaround of the main character which explained his prior weirdness, leading him to become a better hero. The blood was a little graphic though.

05-28-2009, 03:15 PM	#88
Panthera Troopa Join Date: May 2009 Location: Edmonton Posts: 77	He's mean to WM because she took the universe away from him, so he decided to teleport her to a pocket dimension as soon as he met her. That whole ruining his life's ambition thing trumps the fact she was nice to him.