Don't Download Wii Update 4.2

[MasterOfMagic]

Originally Posted by BitVyper

If I mod my console and some fuck purposely breaks it, I expect said fuck to pay for it.

So what's your reason for believing they did it purposefully?

You're statement is equally valid if we replace that with accidentally, though. Of course, I already said:

But still, they're the ones that fucked up.

For that case.

[TheSparrow]

Does no one really understand the laws governing proprietary software? I'm sure most of you do, you just don't like it. I am reading a lot of "innocent modders" "non-pirate modders" etc. But the fact remains, the act of modifying your console is illegal. Period. The software that runs your Wii is not your property to do with as you want.

If Nintendo is fixing all the bricked un-modded Wii's for free, I find this to be totally acceptable. But if your console got bricked because you changed it illegally, tough luck.

Also, a question for noncon. You said that just erasing everyone's homebrew while not doing anything else to their systems would act as a deterrent. How exactly would this deter people from trying it again with a different and new modification? That is like claiming that catching someone doing cocaine and just taking their cocaine away and leaving them would act as a deterrent to them doing cocaine?

[Professor Smarmiarty]

I didn't know it was illegal because it's not where I come from- some of our key consumer affair laws means it can't be illegal- you can't region code stuff either.
But I found this online:
http://arstechnica.com/gaming/news/2...re-illegal.ars
for anybody interested and it appears most mods are illegal in the states, in which case modders really don't have much of a case.

[MasterOfMagic]

Originally Posted by TheSparrow

Also, a question for noncon. You said that just erasing everyone's homebrew while not doing anything else to their systems would act as a deterrent. How exactly would this deter people from trying it again with a different and new modification? That is like claiming that catching someone doing cocaine and just taking their cocaine away and leaving them would act as a deterrent to them doing cocaine?

Actually, he said bricking the console if a mod was found would act as a deterrent.

And, deleting the software every update would be a great deterrent if people found the updates necessary, in the same way that Linux's old "hard to setup and maintain" thing is a deterrent to using it. Sure, some people don't mind spending the time to fix it when it breaks, but others won't think its worth the bother.

[Nikose Tyris]

Originally Posted by MasterOfMagic

Actually, he said bricking the console if a mod was found would act as a deterrent.

And, deleting the software every update would be a great deterrent if people found the updates necessary, in the same way that Linux's old "hard to setup and maintain" thing is a deterrent to using it. Sure, some people don't mind spending the time to fix it when it breaks, but others won't think its worth the bother.

Failure to update the Wii Console to the latest operating standards may result in aberrant gameplay and issues in newer games. NOA/NOJ/NOE as well as all Game Development companies encourage you to update your Wii to fit within the latest operating standards.

Cause some titles don't play properly on Previous Wii Menu and NAND updates.

Edit:

Also, legal eagle paperworks:
USA: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital..._Copyright_Act
Europe[Parts]: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Europea...ight_Directive
Aussie-land: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Austral...right_Act_1968

If there is legal bullshit you get into- these are the things that get you in trouble. [No, I'm not interested in debating it, because there have already been charges filed under these, and the defendants LOST.]

now to be fair, each trial is on a case-by-case basis and the legality of each little bit of modding and homebrew is on a case by case basis. Being able to play imported/pirated games? Those cases tend to lose.

[Mirai Gen]

The software that runs your Wii is not your property to do with as you want.

Yes it is.

And if it isn't, it should be.

[Nikose Tyris]

Originally Posted by Mirai Gen

Yes it is.

And if it isn't, it should be.

Why should I have to wait to play Monster Hunter for the Wii, this is stupid. I have every right to play it right now if it's out in Japan, so I'll just download it. That will show them a peaceful protest about removing regions in games!

[Mirai Gen]

Wow way to completely miss the point Nikose. It's almost majestic.

[Nikose Tyris]

Your point was that if you buy the wii, the software on the wii should belong to you.

This is not the case, nor should it BE the case.

You are receiving constant updates to make sure the console works at its best over a prolonged period of time.

You want to do things the console is not designed to do. Let's just pick an easy one, play DVD's.

If you want to do this, you have to choose to stop receiving updates and accept that bugs are going to occur on your system.

^ See if all that was how things went, sure, anyone can go right ahead and not worry about shit.

However, then we get people who want to stay updated and risk their console each and every time through some vain feeling of "I deserve this." So you want the best of both worlds. You want to modify your console at your own discretion to do whatever you want, while at the same time receiving the updates that in other sales models you would have to pay for, which are being provided for free.

My point was that feeling you have a right to whatever you want doesn't mean you have any kind of a right to whatever you want.

Edit: you want to argue modding in any way that doesn't cost sales? fine. But do it somewhere that isn't around people in the games industry who just got laid off with console modders being a cited reason.

[Bells]

I think you guys are talking about different things... i thought that:

Mirai = Wii Software ("OS" Software)

Nikose = Wii games (software)