Knowledge is power! - Page 9

Kurosen · 11-04-2009, 03:03 PM

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And they're smart, caring, hard working, savvy people. Not naive, ignorant, arrogant pricks.

Nope, they're all the above.

I sympathize that you're tired of people like those you love being villainized for their beliefs, but at some point you have to come to grips with the knowledge that just because you love them doesn't mean that they aren't also colossal tools.

It's very naive, ignorant, and arrogant for a group to consistently fight against the kinds of programs that benefited their own ancestors such that they were able to build the very wealth and stability that allows modern conservatives the comfortable, sheltered lifestyles they've enjoyed for so long that they've mistaken that state as the natural order of things.

Minor nitpick: of course Christians give "the most" to charity. It's a statistically foregone conclusion. Historically, most people in America have been Christian. Therefore, most of the wealth will belong to Christians. Therefore, even if charitable donations are equal across the board, Christians will give "the most". What would take this beyond being an empty talking point would be to find what percentage of available funds each major religion represented in the US gave to charity in a given time frame.

Funka Genocide · 11-04-2009, 03:03 PM

I find it hard to justify this reticence towards socialist public welfare programs is based solely on defending the populace from government excess.

I understand that we had that whole thing with communism a few years back, but government can never be a striation of whites and blacks precisely columnised into easily digestible wrongs and rights.

It's far more logical to assume this laissez-faire attitude is motivated mainly by the concept of centralizing power in the hands of an elite sub-stratum (man lot of geoligical metaphors in this post) of the population. Which is then sold to the powerless on the back of such quaint and wholesome concepts as "socialism is evil" and "Jesus hates fags."

Professor Smarmiarty · 11-04-2009, 03:37 PM

A lot of the passivisty of the populace to the underlying evils of where they live is precisely through selling such things to the populace as "communism is evil!" "we live in a democracy!" and by controlling the education of the people and the climate of discussion they can suppress dissent, or even the visualisation of the problem.

Funka Genocide · 11-04-2009, 07:53 PM

I'd like to refer to my terribly insensitive remark in another thread that "people who let themselves get brainwashed are pussies."

but I mean yeah, that's true.

Buddha Fett · 11-05-2009, 01:09 AM

Back to the Conservapedia topic:

I've always wondered what your average dude who writes up these articles would think of Warhammer 40k? They probably wouldn't like the whole "vegetable Jesus" thing very much.

Funka Genocide · 11-05-2009, 02:25 PM

The God-Emperor is displeased with your irreverent connotations, the black ships will be paying you a visit shortly.

Madcow9000 · 11-05-2009, 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Buddha Fett

Back to the Conservapedia topic:

I've always wondered what your average dude who writes up these articles would think of Warhammer 40k? They probably wouldn't like the whole "vegetable Jesus" thing very much.

I can field this one.
I've actually had this very conversation with a pastor once during a game convention. Funny enough he saw D&D as a teaching tool for the bible, but when we got into talking about tabeltop games like 40k he was totally against it, claiming that there is no hope in that setting and it portrays people as mindless sheep following after a lost cause. He also didn't like the paralels of how this might be if a 1 world religion ruled everything.

Which is funny because most religions demand that they become the one world religion.

Aerozord · 11-05-2009, 04:10 PM

I decided to see what they had to say about healthcare

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Single-payer health care is a system in which one entity pays for the health care of the entire population (see single-payer system). This entity is traditionally the federal or national government, and the system is paid for through taxes. Canada, Cuba and North Korea are the only three countries using this system

what I found most hilarious is that Canada was listed among the examples.

The fact they used Cuba and Korea was a given, as opposed to Britian, France, Japan, basically ANY developed nation on the planet

bluestarultor · 11-05-2009, 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Aerozord

I decided to see what they had to say about healthcare

what I found most hilarious is that Canada was listed among the examples.

The fact they used Cuba and Korea was a given, as opposed to Britian, France, Japan, basically ANY developed nation on the planet

Remember, though, people like to spout outdated and untrue horror stories on how horrible Canada's health care system is. It's more like, "Do you really want to wait five years for emergency surgery like Canada? Or be fascist like China and Cuba?" It's a huge fallacy, but there you go.

Also, I gotta love Fox News. My grandpa is in the hospital today for arterial ballooning and it was on all the TVs. They were trying everything they could to make the Democratic health care reform bill look bad. We're talking trying to spin an independent study saying the Republican bill was cheaper, but wouldn't even dent the problem as a "mixed review" and getting a high-ranking Democrat up there to try to impotently raise questions as to the party's unity on it only to be told in clear and unmistakable terms that the party was very much united and would basically be doing a clean sweep on the bill. They then got "breaking news" that an even BETTER solution, from the GOP, of course, would be to allow insurance companies to compete across state lines, as if doing this would immediately fix the problem and negate the need for the reform bill.

Viridis · 11-05-2009, 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by bluestarultor

Also, I gotta love Fox News. My grandpa is in the hospital today for arterial ballooning and it was on all the TVs. They were trying everything they could to make the Democratic health care reform bill look bad. We're talking trying to spin an independent study saying the Republican bill was cheaper, but wouldn't even dent the problem as a "mixed review" and getting a high-ranking Democrat up there to try to impotently raise questions as to the party's unity on it only to be told in clear and unmistakable terms that the party was very much united and would basically be doing a clean sweep on the bill.

It's really insane how partisan they're being on this.

Senator complaining, essentially, that he hates the health care bill because it'll make people like the Democrats.

Alan Grayson, that crazy bold Democrat senator talks on the floor of the House about how many people have died in Republican districts because they didn't have health insurance.

Yeah, I have nothing to add myself, but I thought these things were interesting.

11-05-2009, 01:09 AM	#85
Buddha Fett Pretty Sweet Hat. Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Behind You Posts: 353	Back to the Conservapedia topic: I've always wondered what your average dude who writes up these articles would think of Warhammer 40k? They probably wouldn't like the whole "vegetable Jesus" thing very much. __________________ "I think perhaps the most important problem is that we are trying to understand the fundamental workings of the universe via a language devised for telling one another when the best fruit is." -Terry Pratchett

11-04-2009, 03:03 PM	#82
Funka Genocide Sent to the cornfield Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 4,566	I find it hard to justify this reticence towards socialist public welfare programs is based solely on defending the populace from government excess. I understand that we had that whole thing with communism a few years back, but government can never be a striation of whites and blacks precisely columnised into easily digestible wrongs and rights. It's far more logical to assume this laissez-faire attitude is motivated mainly by the concept of centralizing power in the hands of an elite sub-stratum (man lot of geoligical metaphors in this post) of the population. Which is then sold to the powerless on the back of such quaint and wholesome concepts as "socialism is evil" and "Jesus hates fags."

11-04-2009, 03:37 PM	#83
Professor Smarmiarty Sent to the cornfield Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: K-space Posts: 9,758	A lot of the passivisty of the populace to the underlying evils of where they live is precisely through selling such things to the populace as "communism is evil!" "we live in a democracy!" and by controlling the education of the people and the climate of discussion they can suppress dissent, or even the visualisation of the problem.

11-04-2009, 07:53 PM	#84
Funka Genocide Sent to the cornfield Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 4,566	I'd like to refer to my terribly insensitive remark in another thread that "people who let themselves get brainwashed are pussies." but I mean yeah, that's true.

11-05-2009, 02:25 PM	#86
Funka Genocide Sent to the cornfield Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 4,566	The God-Emperor is displeased with your irreverent connotations, the black ships will be paying you a visit shortly.