MASS EFFECT TWO: GIVE GARRUS A HUG

[Mirai Gen]

Originally Posted by Dauntasa

So, did anyone else think that the whole Justicar philosophy was stupid? Specifically the bit where they have to murder their way out if they get detained by the police.

Not really; it's the way Spectres work after all, there's just no Council.

Imagine Paladins and you pretty much have Justicars.

[Arcanum]

Speaking of Samara, I want to check to see if this happened to anyone else during her loyalty mission. After you hook up with Morinth, go to her apartment, and Samara busts in biotics blazing, there's the part where they both fire a biotic blast, and the two collide in the air. The moment they touched, I lost all sound. No dialogue, no sound effects, nothing. I only got the sound back when I had to choose whether I wanted to kill Samara or Morinth. If it helps, I was playing through as Paragon, explored everything in her apartment, then went with every Paragon-blue option in the dialogue. This same thing happened to a friend of mine, and I'm curious how widespread it may or may not be.

[DFM]

Originally Posted by Dauntasa

So, did anyone else think that the whole Justicar philosophy was stupid? Specifically the bit where they have to murder their way out if they get detained by the police.

Honestly my first playthrough I was pretty sure the paragon thing to do was going to be kill her for being a dangerous sociopath.



I still think the paragon thing to do is kill her for being a dangerous sociopath..

Edit: Mirai I'm pretty sure Paladins don't slaughter a hundred honest city guards for locking them up because they're dangerous sociopaths.

Edit 2: I'm pretty sure you can't be a Paladin if you're a dangerous sociopath.

Edit 3: Samara is a dangerous sociopath.

[Mirai Gen]

Originally Posted by DFM

Edit: Mirai I'm pretty sure Paladins don't slaughter a hundred honest city guards for locking them up because they're dangerous sociopaths.

I don't think Samara is herself a good representation of the Justicar code, since she is a dangerous sociopath, like Krylo said. The code is supposed to be interpreted that they follow their law, and if other laws happen to conflict are irrelevant.

Samara's just insane.

[Krylo]

I generally refer to the 'Justicar' type of paladins as 'scorched earth paladins'. They're not so much dangerous sociopaths as they just believe that their goal is so just that anyone that gets between them and it needs to be cleansed by fire. Kill everything and let your gods sort it out. They're kinda fun to play sometimes, but it really depends on the setting as to whether they come off as righteous crusaders (good) or lawful stupid (bad).

But yes, the Justicar code was more than a little bit too strict with the 'death is the only possible penance for any crime whether it be jay walking or attempting to destroy the universe' thing. I'd say Samara falls more on the lawful stupid side than the righteous crusader side.

[Solid Snake]

So I'm 25 hours into ME1, right?
...And I'm still loving the Mako sequences.
I mean seriously, I've been doing random sidequests instead of actually progressing the plot for the past ten hours or so in large part because I fucking love the Mako sequences.

...I am a very, very strange person.

Also I am incredibly torn as to whether to keep pursuing Ashley or Liara, and the fact that both characters are both pretty cool is only adding to the tension.
Finally, playing ME1 as Infiltrator is awesome. I know ME1 is intended to be less a shooter and more an RPG, but that hasn't stopped me from taking the most pleasure from finding a convenient sniping location outside enemy bases, toggling the Assassination skill and fucking around with the Geth bastards. Kudos to Bioware for making sniper kills in just about any context fun as hell.

Garrus still kicks all kinds of ass. Wrex has gotten a lot more characterization than he had earlier on, and I like him more than I did. I wish I could say the same for Tali. I keep on hearing great things about her, but as of about halfway through ME1 I just find her bland. A great character to have around due to her ability to open all kinds of goody boxes, but still bland.

Kaiden meanwhile is like Carth Onasi if Carth was awesome instead of an incessant whiner. I love how during one of your convos with Kaiden, the character will explicitly mention a desire to not sound as if he's whining while talking about his past. It felt like a deliberate shoutout to criticism of Carth and the VA from KOTOR.
(That being said I still find Kaiden about the least effective character to take along with me in my party. As an Infiltrator, I probably take Liara along the most, and alternate out most the others.)

The only real problem I'm having with the game so far involves the sheer lack of difficulty. So far, I just haven't felt challenged. I've still died plenty of times, usually due to stupid mistakes, but with the Quick Save option (and my kneejerk impulse to hit F6 and Quick Save every three seconds) I don't even feel mildly inconvenienced. And the game has, weirdly, become easier as I've leveled up: I still feel like the end of Eden Prime presented some of the game's most challenging moments so far. My party can clear out mercenaries no problem, and a simple sniping, duck-and-cover strategy outsmarts the AI like no one's business. (The one disadvantage of playing Infiltrator, though? Husks. Damn those Husks.)

[DFM]

I think most the Tali praise is coming from ME2 where she's fleshed out a lot more personality wise.

Anyone ever talk to the Undrot scout with her in your party?

Shepard: I came here expecting a Krogan, not some sniveling little Quarian with a tummy ache. You gonna cry, Quarian? You gonna roll in the mud and cry?
Tali: Right here, Shepard.

[Mirai Gen]

Yeah Tali in the first game was just okay. In the second she's a bit more matured and has a real personality behind her, and finds a way to sound and feel more adolescent, which leads to some hilarious dialog when pursuing her romance. She becomes unbearably cute just because of her teenaged awkwardness. "It's...It's hot in here."

Garrus still kicks all kinds of ass.

And he always will, bless his mushy alien grey heart.

EDIT: Also where the fuck is Zaheed supposed to go? I filled up my entire roster of PCs and I never found him because I didn't know he even existed until I finished the game and went, wait, wasn't there just one more?

EDIT EDIT: Also I wish I had saved the Council. I don't know why I didn't in my first game but I'm not interested in fixing it.

[Dauntasa]

Originally Posted by Mirai Gen

EDIT: Also where the fuck is Zaheed supposed to go? I filled up my entire roster of PCs and I never found him because I didn't know he even existed until I finished the game and went, wait, wasn't there just one more?

You need a free DLC pack to get Zaeed. He's on Omega, literally a couple of feet from where you get off the Normandy.

[Mirai Gen]

....goddamn it, Bioware.

EDIT: Also there weren't class-specific powers back in ME were there? I can't remember and I'm too lazy.