Gay People And Their Right To Militarize

[Bard The 5th LW]

"No homos in the boy scouts"

This is actively bullshit. Gays are allowed in the Boy Scouts. I've had a gay scoutmaster to. And in a southern state nonetheless.

[Funka Genocide]

did he like, introduce himself as the gay scoutmaster at meeting (or whatever the hell it is boyscouts do.)?

Because that would be hilarious.

[Professor Smarmiarty]

Yeah but I mean if I made a No blackies association or a We love the Nazis association we'd be shut down pretty much immediatly. You're inculcating prejudice either way.

[Premmy]

Originally Posted by Smarty McBarrelpants

Yeah but I mean if I made a No blackies association or a We love the Nazis association we'd be shut down pretty much immediatly. You're inculcating prejudice either way.

They have those, they've always had those, they just cut the strings(on paper) between them and the government a good while ago.

[Loyal]

I always thought the DADT/gays in the military in general thing was a little silly. If I'm abroad with a gun, out to fight, kill, or die at a moments notice, the last thing I'm gonna worry about is a guy checking out my ass.

[Yrcrazypa]

Originally Posted by Loyal

I always thought the DADT/gays in the military in general thing was a little silly. If I'm abroad with a gun, out to fight, kill, or die at a moments notice, the last thing I'm gonna worry about is a guy checking out my ass.

Well, for one, not everyone in the military is in combat. There are a large number of people in the military that could go over twenty years of only ever firing a weapon for training. And you'd be surprised anyway, some people would care, the bigots that they are. Remember, bigots don't have to use logical thinking, because bigotry is illogical in the first place.

[Premmy]

Originally Posted by Yrcrazypa

Well, for one, not everyone in the military is in combat. There are a large number of people in the military that could go over twenty years of only ever firing a weapon for training. And you'd be surprised anyway, some people would care, the bigots that they are. Remember, bigots don't have to use logical thinking, because bigotry is illogical in the first place.

It really does bug me when people equate racism/sexism/homophobia to hate and bigotry. It really is'nt like that. And thinking that way does'nt do anything to solve the problem.

[bluestarultor]

Originally Posted by Premonitions

It really does bug me when people equate racism/sexism/homophobia to hate and bigotry. It really is'nt like that. And thinking that way does'nt do anything to solve the problem.

I think you need to look up the terms. If nothing else, they're at the very least closely related.

Like, if someone is openly racist, I think it's safe to call them bigoted. You don't go spewing bile about "those damn niggers" if you, y'know, like black people.

To break it down,

Originally Posted by Dictionary.com

ism
  /ˈɪzəm/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [iz-uhm] Show IPA
–noun
a distinctive doctrine, theory, system, or practice: This is the age of isms.
Origin:
extracted from words with the suffix -ism

combined with race means a doctrine or system of race, which is a nice way of saying that you either believe in or actually ENFORCE racial boundaries. Homophobia on its own means, in the literal sense, as improperly-expressed as it is, an irrational fear of homosexuals. A better word might be orientationism. Homosexuals are feared, hated, and discriminated against. Where's the love and acceptance in that?



Seriously, we have the words for a reason, and we shouldn't be trying to water down the meanings. Everyone knows what they mean and what they mean isn't exactly going out and buying them flowers.

[Funka Genocide]

well all those ism's might not necessarily equate to hatred, but they do most definitely equate to bigotry. It's kind of the base definition.

You can obviously be a racist that doesn't hate other races, only sees them as inferior. You could be a sexist that doesn't hate the opposite gender, etc. etc.

[Premmy]

Originally Posted by bluestarultor

I think you need to look up the terms. If nothing else, they're at the very least closely related.

No, not really. Closely related? only in that they're frequently connected. If everyone looked alike, bigots would be bigoted to someone

Like, if someone is openly racist, I think it's safe to call them bigoted. You don't go spewing bile about "those damn niggers" if you, y'know, like black people.

Yeah, if someone is openly bigoted, it's safe to call them bigoted. Bigotry is neither the most important aspect of racism, nor even a central aspect. And constantly equating the two muddies the issue.

To break it down,

combined with race means a doctrine or system of race, which is a nice way of saying that you either believe in or actually ENFORCE racial boundaries.

It's a direct way of saying you have policies and systemic approaches to race, a fictional construct in and of itself.

It has nothing to do with how that is expressed or what fuels it. The common thread of "Racism=Dick" is ignorant to all the very nice people who do and say racist things that don't seem hatefilled in the least bit.

It also is used by dicks who are racist, but not hate-fueld, to diffuse accusations of racism with "I don't hate anybody" and other foolishness.

Homophobia on its own means, in the literal sense, as improperly-expressed as it is, an irrational fear of homosexuals. A better word might be orientationism. Homosexuals are feared, hated, and discriminated against. Where's the love and acceptance in that?

Homosexuals are also treated all kinds of weird by people that generally like them, people who are "okay" with it, but still act weird, and all kinds of other things that have nothing to do with interpersonal relationships or hatred.

Seriously, we have the words for a reason, and we shouldn't be trying to water down the meanings. Everyone knows what they mean and what they mean isn't exactly going out and buying them flowers.

Everybody does'nt know exactly what they mean, as evidenced by people who think Neo-nazis and such are at all important to the issue of racism.

If you ask them, they will eagerly and angrily tell you how they hate pretty much anything. Their racism is not an issue of race so much as it's an issue of being crazy as all hell and expressing that through racism.

There are plenty of people who have no knowledge, concern, or issues concerning racism who still do and say racist things for a wide variety of reasons.