Let's Have a Civil Discussion about Mod Discretion

[Nikose Tyris]

Liz was asked to calm down for her outrage regarding racism. Liz was banned for insulting Fenris.

Unless I am bad at reading?

[Sifright]

Originally Posted by Solid Snake

Man, like, I guess I get what you're saying? ...Maybe?
But for the sake of every oppressed minority suffering under institutional privilege here in these forums I sincerely hope we are passionate about oppressed minorities to the point of unreasonableness.

Like, buried deep within Liz's rage was actually a decent point about the motivations of many of the Draw Mohammed Day participants that, in fact, gave Liz a pretty good reason to be angry.

Ultimately, Liz took out that anger on the wrong people, I guess? Or Liz may have insinuated some of you were racists or defending racism and that was the impression you got and shit went downhill from there?

But yeah, I'll stick with Liz's perspective on the substance -- and even the outrage stemming from that substance -- even if Liz could benefit from better controlling and channeling that outrage towards the individuals truly meriting scorn.
But let's not say that being over-defensive of minorities is a bad thing and have that be the lesson learned.

Actually, the problem isn't that liz gets outraged over people being racist thats perfectly reasonable. It's that Liz gets that way in every god damn argument she has.
This is a pretty big dead horse to bring up but it's also a perfect example.

Mass effect 3.

in the chat, Liz made a remark about how she found it funny people were complaining about ME 3 being shit. I pointed out that it was unfair given the marketing campaign explicitly stating things contrary to what went down.

Liz brings up a point about their motivations. I point out it contradicts what she said in the ME3 thread. She goes absolutely berserk, telling people to fuck off and go kill them selves and that they should go slit their own throats, She didn't even get punished for that incident point is that kind of attitude is prevalent in almost any argument where liz ends up getting heated.

Next day Liz posts the thread telling people not to tell her what her opinion is.

[Nikose Tyris]

Can I get a link to that, Sifright? Liz takes suicide and self-harm seriously and I actually have some issue believing those statements verbatim.

[Solid Snake]

Originally Posted by Sifright

in the chat, Liz made a remark about how she found it funny people were complaining about ME 3 being shit. I pointed out that it was unfair given the marketing campaign explicitly stating things contrary to what went down.

Liz brings up a point about their motivations. I point out it contradicts what she said in the ME3 thread. She goes absolutely berserk, telling people to fuck off and go kill them selves, She didn't even get punished for that incident point is that kind of attitude is prevalent in almost any argument where liz ends up getting heated.

...huh?
I literally can't follow that story.

[Sifright]

it happened in the Ajax chat. so I can't link to it directly.

Synk has seen it in the ajax logs though so you can pm him/her for more information about it.

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[Karrrrrrrrrrrresche]

Originally Posted by Solid Snake

...huh?
I literally can't follow that story.

During an argument about something to do with Mass Effect 3, Liz said something that contradicted what she'd said in the thread about that game.
He linked this post and said her statements were contradictory.

The argument continued, Liz was increasingly upset about Sifright pointing this out, claiming that he was telling her what her opinion was when to my recollection he just wanted to know if her opinion had changed.
I and someone else were there, telling her to calm down. She told me, Sif and that third person to kill ourselves. To slit our throats.

I'm missing a lot of details but up until that point and beyond that point nobody but Liz was saying anything like that.

[Nikose Tyris]

I am willing to take K-Resh's corrobation of the story as sufficient evidence; I have been informed that Synk also bore witness to this.

[Solid Snake]

Originally Posted by K-Resh

The argument continued, Liz was increasingly upset about Sifright pointing this out, claiming that he was telling her what her opinion was when to my recollection he just wanted to know if her opinion had changed.
I and someone else were there, telling her to calm down. She told me, Sif and that third person to kill ourselves. To slit our throats.

...If that story is true (I am desperately trying to give Liz some innocent-until-proven-guilty style benefit of the doubt), I'm absolutely shocked Liz wasn't banned over that.

[Sifright]

Mods take a very laize-faire approach to Ajax-chat because we all usually chill out there and have harmless fun which can't be done of the forum it's a lot more informal, if i'm honest with you though I was pretty shocked liz didn't even get a slap on the wrist for it especially with POS being present when it went down.

[Ryong]

Snake weren't you around a few months ago when someone said Liz could be unreasonably adamant with her opinion...and that resulted in complete rage? This isn't a new thing.